Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment

Dear Dr Sharma,

 

About the dilution of RTI, you will soon come to know.

If you have specific information do let me know. If it was about former CJI KG Balakrishnan's recommendations to include judges in section 8 of RTI, I obtained copies of those letters & wrote to PM that KGB' s decision is repugnant to the Constitution of india & Judges cannot be preferentially treated as they are Public Servants. Independence of Judiciary  does not connote immunity to judges. It only connotes that the process of adjudication does not become influenced.

 

However, my RTI application addressed to Veerappa Moily (Section 5(4&5)) did not elicit any reply. Appealed PM as FAA - no disposal. PM did not reply in another issue- appealed to Prez- no reply.

 

I did not have time to pursue further as approach to Central Information Commission or any other Information Commission is futile.

 

Regards,

WEDS

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From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>
To: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 13 December, 2010 20:20:52
Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment

Dear Weds
    This is good that you have sent important features of Indian
constitution, for which I  am thankful
    It is not bad to discuss religion and philosophy,
    But I felt  few members may feel odds.
    In my temple, I have  a photo of Lord Christ, Lord Krishna, Lord
Buddha thanks as well as Muslim saint. So  I never hate any religion.
I also never discard atheist. From my action I also can be called an
atheist because I don't visit temples, being a Hindu.
About the dilution of RTI, you will soon come to know.
      Kindly keep it up as your conscious allows you.
      Regards
      Dr JN Sharma

On 12/13/10, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear Dr.Sharma,
>
> You are right. I ahve not lost track of RTI. However, it is my tendency to
> express myself dorthright & fearlessly on any subject with conviction. I am
> not
> a bigot. If someone  convinces me  that I am wrong, I shall not stand by
> ceremony to change myself.
>
> Well, not Moily Sahab, Mr.Moily The Union Law Minister for  From President
> to
> the lowest errand runner in any panchayat all are public servants.
>
> What information you have about dilution of RTI?  Convey it to all .Let us
> put
> our brains together to  counter it.
>
> Meanwhile, please read this.
>
>        Preface of The Constitution of India declares that:-
> Constitution is a living document, an instrument which makes the government
> system work.
>          The Constitution of India,in its Preamble, states, "WE, THE PEOPLE
> OF
> INDIA, having solemnlyresolved to constitute India into a
> 1[SOVEREIGNSOCIALIST
> SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] andto secure to all its citizens:
> JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
> LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
> EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all
> FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the 2[unity and
> integrity
> of the Nation];
> IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twentysixth day of November, 1949, do
> HEREBY
> ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.
>        From this you would agree that the People of India have installed the
> Constitution of India & the Government therewithin to themselves & to govern
> them. Hence, in Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A
> PEOPLE; OF THE PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE.
>
>        Hence, the Government & all its functionaries are accountable &
> answerable to the People of India. Hence, the People of India have a right
> to
> question the Government that they have installed within the framework of the
> Constitution on its acts & omissions. This is otherwise known as the Right
> to
> Information.
>
> This Right to Information of the People of India is inalienable, axiomatic,
> fundamental as well as human right . This has been reaffirmed by the Supreme
> Court of India as a fundamental right forming a facet of Art. 19 (1)(a) of
> the
> Constitution of India
>        To access, seek, receive & impart information is a Human Right
> (HR),as
> per Article 19 of The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
> (ICCPR) that was adopted by the General Assembly of The United Nations on
> the
> 16th December 1966, as cardinal principles of Human Right, embodied in The
> Protection of Human Rights Act 1993 section 2(d) & (f) forming a facet of
> Art.
> 21 Part III, Fundamental Right (FR) i.e. Right to life & Liberty, of the
> Constitution of India.
> Freedom of Information lies at the root of the rights discourse. Failure of
> the
> State to provide access to information or State suppression of information
> can
> lead to the most egregious forms of human rights violations. The Right to
> Information (RTI) is fundamental to the realisation of rights as well as
> effective democracy, which requires informed participation by all
>
> Trgatds,
> WEDS
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Cc: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, 13 December, 2010 6:32:46
> Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment
>
> DEAR WEDS & SARABJIT
> You have contributed lot of material on religion and philosophy,
> thanks for the same.
> For me you both are great.
> Let us ponder on the RTI Empowerment, as Mioly Sahab is going to
> dilute it and P.M. Sahab and Mahamahim President will not come to the
> rescue of common man/RTI Activist
> We need to fight on that matter alone, with the DOPT.
>
> With kind regards and great Devine Love to you both
>
> Dr JN Sharma
> ADVOCATE / RTI / HUMANRIGHT ACTIVIST
> 2, ashok lane Civil Court Lucknow
> Mob: 09335231213
> EX-FACULTY MEMBER ,ATTACHED TO RURAL DEV, PROJECT VISHWABHARTI
> UNIVERSITY,SHANTINIKETAN,WEST BENGAL &
> ALSO FACULTY MEMBER INSTITUTE OF BANKERS, LUCKNOW  AND
> BRITISH SCHOLAR  UNIVERSITY OF BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND
>
>
> On 12/13/10, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Dear Sarabjit & all others,
>>
>> You are free to hold any opinion you deem fit to hold as your conscience
>> dictates & freedom of speech & expression allows it & I do not dispute it.
>>
>> I am atheist. You may write anything you wish to & that dispensation has
>> been
>> sent by me to over a million persons via internet since 1992 & whoever who
>> replied have appreciated it as most rational.
>>
>> I will not dispute your private beliefs; you are free to hold them.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> WEDS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> To: INDIA RTI for empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sun, 12 December, 2010 23:42:03
>> Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment
>>
>> Dear Mr WEDS
>>
>> From your name it appears that you are one of those foreign financed
>> Christian Evangelists so notorious for deceiving innocent people.
>>
>> Unfortunately your post is too long, confused and badly structured.
>> Your arguments against God are incoherent, rambling logically
>> inconsistent, and frankly ignorant of Hindu religion. No rational
>> person can share your beliefs. I am a rational person and also believe
>> in God, or GOD. I find no inconsistency in my position.
>>
>> Let me set out a few of my core beliefs. These are basically as
>> published in English by Raj Narain Bose in about 1873. Raj Narain Bose
>> was the man who framed the concept of 'Hindutva', and was also
>> grandfather of Shri Aurobindo.
>>
>> 1) God is One without a second. "Ekamevadwiteeyam" One Supreme God— "a
>> God, endowed with a distinct personality & moral attributes equal to
>> His nature, and intelligence befitting the Governor of the
>> Universe," (We do not believe in His incarnations).
>>
>> 2) God has no name, no form, no limit. It is impossible to make an
>> idol of "him". God can be sensed through intuition in the the book of
>> nature.
>>
>> 3) To worship "him" is to love / adore him and do the things he loves
>>
>> 4) Worship of "him" needs no fixed place or time. "We can adore Him at
>> any time and at any place, provided that time and that place are
>> calculated to compose and direct the mind towards Him." There is no
>> need for gurus, or priests to conduct worship.
>>
>> 5) Do not perform any rites or ceremonies, or believe in penances, as
>> instrumental in obtaining the grace of God. We declare that moral
>> righteousness, the gaining of wisdom, Divine contemplation, charity
>> and the cultivation of devotional feelings, are our rites and
>> ceremonies. We further say, govern and regulate your feelings,
>> discharge your duties to God and to man, and you will gain everlasting
>> blessedness, purify your heart, cultivate devotional feelings, and you
>> will see Him who is Unseen.
>>
>> 6) Theoretically, there is no distinction of caste. We declare that we
>> are all the part of God, and, therefore, must consider ourselves as
>> one.
>>
>> 7) There are no places like heaven or  hell.
>>
>> 8) There is no "soul".
>>
>> This BTW is pure classical Vedic "Hinduism" and not that corrupt form
>> which passes for Hinduism today among the popular classes and allows
>> foreigners to abuse and parody the supposed 33,000 crore godlets and
>> their gaudy "worship" perpetuated by false priestly classes.
>>
>> So before making sweeping assumptions/arguments about what most among
>> human beings believe in, please explain why you disagree with
>> traditional Indian Vedic beliefs as stated above.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Dec 12, 3:37 am, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>> <wileva...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Every country should have a well defined policy. However, consider scores
>>> of
>>> Indians who illegally emigrate to USA Europe  etc. Even India is formed
>>> by
>>> illegal immigration from all over the world over the time immemorial.
>>>
>>> Read this:
>>>
>>> HAR ZOR ZULLUM KE TAKKAR MEIN, KAAFLE BASTEY GAYE; HINDUSTAAN BANTAA
>>> GAYAA!
>>>
>>> India  has accepted  with open arms anybody seeking assylum.
>>>
>>> About "HINDU BIGOT" let us enlighten ourselves that human beings of
>>> different
>>> ethnicity exist in this world!!! For further enlightenment read the
>> folllowing:
>>>
>>> -BLIND BELIEF-DOES GOD EXIST??????!!!!!
>>>
>>> Please ponder over these very rational statements.
>>> Most amongst the human beings believe that God exists.
>>> For some it is either Brahma, Vishnu or Maheshwar or one of the 399 Gods
>>> &
>>> Goddesses or scores of spirits & ghosts,
>>> For some, it is Jesus Christ,
>>> For some it is Allah,
>>> For some it is Buddha,
>>> For some it is any of Jain Tirtankars,
>>> For some any of the Gurus of Sikhism so on & so forth.
>>> We quarrel amongst ourselves that we are Hindus, Christians, Sikhs,
>>> Muslims,
>>> Jains, Buddhists, etc., but, has any God or Goddess revealed himself or
>> herself
>>> to any one of us to either endorse our quarrel or decry it? Answer is an
>>> emphatic NO!
>>> Does any one who dies, return to tell tale about? Answer also is an
>>> emphatic
>>>NO!
>>> Is SWARG or NARAK, JANNAT or JEHANNUM, HEAVEN or HELL a large celestial
>>> world?
>>> If YES, how much of it is under control of any of these;
>>> BRAHMA, VISHNU, MAHESHWAR & 399 GODS & GODDESSES OR ALLAH, JESUS CHRIST,
>> BUDDHA
>>> ETC., so on & so forth? There is no answer!
>>>
>>> If one or some change ones or their faith, which Swarg or Narak,  Jannat
>>> or
>>> Jehnnum, Heaven or Hell that one or those reach? None knows the answer!
>>>
>>> Do these Gods & Goddesses retain accounting books with them so that those
>>> who
>>> forsake a faith shall be a debit entry in the forsaken God/Goddess's book
>>> and
>>> credit entry in embraced God/Goddess's book? None knows the answer!
>>>
>>> If these Gods/Goddesses are OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPERVADING do they
>>> need
>>> Temples, Mosques, Churches, Basadis, Gompas, Gurudwaras? Answer obviously
>>> is
>> an
>>> emphatic NO!
>>>
>>> If these Gods/Goddesses exist, why Allah did not prevent demolition of
>>> Babri
>>> Mosque; why did Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswar & other 399 Gods & Goddesses did
>>> not
>>> prevent the demolition of scores of temples in India & outside after
>> demolition
>>> of Babri Mosque? Likewise, why Jesus Christ did not prevent demolition of
>>> churches in history? So much so, the Jain Sikh & Buddhist Gods prevent
>>> the
>>> demolition of the respective places of worships whenever they occurred in
>>> the
>>> history? E.g. Jain temples in Southern India & Buddhist temples in
>>> Northern
>>> India WERE converted to Hindu temples in the late second century A.D.
>>> when
>>> Hinduism usurped trampling Jainism & Buddhism in India ? Any answers?
>> Obviously
>>> NO!
>>> Is there any evidence of war or quarrel amongst or conquest of any of the
>>> Gods
>>>&
>>> Goddesses by the other? Answer is obviously NO!
>>>
>>> Followers of various faiths quarrel among themselves & one another
>>> without
>>> any
>>> interference from any of the Gods. Just as in the case of political
>>> parties,
>>> party leaders do not quarrel but, party workers quarrel for the leaders
>> sustain
>>> injuries & losses. What a paradox! Any reasons? Answer is yet again an
>> emphatic
>>> NO!
>>>
>>> Religions are being used just as political parties trying to create vote
>>> bank,
>>> by Swamis, Mullah's & others, Priests or numerous Godmen & Godwomen
>>> prompting
>>> their followers to quarrel for them.
>>> Why Gods & Goddesses exist only for Human Beings & not for reptiles,
>>> birds
>>> &
>>> Animals? Any answers? Obviously NO!
>>> In Punarjanm or Reincarnation, cow is one form of Punarjanm. Visualise a
>> Hindu,
>>> A Muslim, a Christian, a Sikh, A Jain, A Buddhist, so on & so forth
>>> having
>>> a
>>>cow
>>> each and  if these sell their cows amongst themselves; does the cow sold
>>> relinquishes worship of God/Goddess of its earlier master/mistress &
>>> begin
>>> to
>>> worship God/Goddess of its new master/mistress? Any answers? Obviously
>>> NO!
>>> Which of the Gods/Goddesses the scores of birds, reptiles, animals in
>>> jungle
>>> worship? Any answers? Obviously NO!
>>> Human beings in the world speak scores of languages. Why these
>>> Gods/Goddesses
>>> standardize the languages spoken by their adorers? Any answers? Obviously
>>> NO!
>>> Sun shines evenly without discrimination upon a Hindu (any sect)
>>> Christian
>>>
>> (any
>>> denomination) Muslim( any denomination)  so on & so forth. So does when
>>> it
>>> rains!
>>> A cat mews identically in a house of a Hindu (any sect) Christian (any
>>> denomination) Muslim ( any denomination) so on & so forth!
>>> A cow yields milk & milk alone regardless whether it is in the house of a
>> Hindu
>>> (any sect) Christian ( any denomination) Muslim( any denomination) so on
>>> &
>>> so
>>> forth!
>>> So does a dog or any other mammal that is reared!
>>>
>>> Every Purohit or Bhat, or Priest or Mullah or Sant avers that God always
>>> tests
>>>a
>>> devotee by giving him or her testing times & travails to ensure that
>>> he/she is
>>> steadfast in his/her devotion and also those who undergo travails &
>>>tribulations
>>> are ensured happiness in the other world; whereas, to bring the wrongdoer
>>> into
>>> God's fold God is extra benevolent to him/her! What a paradoxical
>>> justice!
>>>
>> What
>>> is it anyway; nothing but HUMBUG!
>>>
>>> Every faith propagates that the human beings were created by the creator,
>>> The
>>> God! In that case why the Gods created Human speaking different
>>> languages,
>>> different races, skin colour etc.?
>>> Why the Gods created Humans with uneven distribution of wealth, intellect
>>> &
>>> ability?
>>> Are so named or called Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Christians,
>>> Buddhists
>>> etc., so on & so forth, denote or connote different ethnic or groups?
>>> Answer
>>> obviously is No!
>>>
>>> These are only groups owing allegiance to different schools of thought!
>>> Just
>> as
>>> political parties!
>>>
>>> All Gods or Goddesses may at best historical personalities or creation of
>>> fertile imagination & nothing else!
>>>
>>> So, it is futile to build places of worship, e.g. TEMPLES, MOSQUES,
>>> CHURCHES,
>>> GURUDWARAS, JAIN & BUDDISTS TEMPLES so on & so forth & waste resources in
>>> propitiation, votive offerings etc.,
>>> All those God-men, God-women, priests, swamis, mullahs etc., exist by
>>> profession; only a CRAFT to earn one's livelihood! Just as Sanskrit
>>> saying;
>>> UDHARA BHARANUM; BAHUKRITA VESHAM!
>>>
>>>
>>> Further, every religion claims that all humans have a soul but, birds,
>> animals,
>>> reptiles etc., have none! What a partisan dispensation by the God!!!???
>>>
>>> "I helped give birth to three children with the human cloningtechnique,
>>> known
>>>as
>>> genetic recoding. It involved two boys and a girl who are nine years old
>> today.
>>> They were born healthy and they are in excellent health now." said
>>> Severino
>>> Antinori, a prominent gynaecologist, to Oggi, an Italian weekly in an
>> interview
>>> that appeared on Wednesday, the 4th of February 2009.Do these two boys &
>>> one
>>> girl who were created by Severino Antinorihave souls???!!! Any
>>> answers???!!!
>>>
>>> In India, recent statistics indicate that about 76% of Indian population
>>>subsist
>>> by earning just Rs. 25 a day. This population also worships different
>>> Gods/Goddesses, align themselves to varied faiths, pray, offer votives,
>>> pay
>>> obeisance! Alas! None of the Gods/Goddesses have alleviated them from
>>> this
>>> morass or predicament! So why waste time & spend hard earned money in
>>> these
>>> futile exercises?
>>>
>>> India, our motherland is so diverse, linguistically, ethnically and
>>> anthropologically with over 4000 languages about over 1600 religious
>>> practices
>>> and equally large ethnic origins; it can be equated to an extremely
>>> large,
>>> massively grown tree; in the boughs & branches immigrant birds from far
>>> and
>>> wide, genetically & specieally very diverse, have perched and built their
>> nests
>>> laid eggs in them, incubated them into fledglings which became fully
>>> fledged
>> to
>>> further the genus. This tree, the mother India has sheltered them and
>>> offered
>>> them a habitat & continue to do so without any discrimination on genus &
>>>specie!
>>>
>>> Hence, no specie of any genus can claim proprietary right on this tree!
>>> Those countrymen & women who on the basis of religion & God, spread
>>> hatred,
>>> strife, riots, vandalism, loot, unrest, massacre, bloodshed, lawlessness,
>>> anarchy, economic halt, shredding human fibre to pieces that cannot be
>>> rewoven
>>> into a fabric, are responsible for the tears those are shed from the eyes
>>> of
>>> hapless kith & kins of those who lose their parents, siblings, bread
>>> earners
>>> with gloom staring in their eyes! Let them think for a while & visualize
>>> what
>>> would have been their plight had they encountered similar predicament!
>>>
>>> So, in conclusion, none of the human beings have any choice when they are
>> born;
>>> let human beings live as human beings respecting others right to exist,
>>> live,
>>> pursue a profession, earn livelihood by fair & equitable means, so long
>>> as
>>>
>> such
>>> a behaviour does not cause any harm, injury, loss or consternation to
>>> others,
>>> coexisting in this world as human beings, in perfect symbiosis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> WEDS
>>
>>
>>
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