From: Chitta Behera <chittabehera1@yahoo.co.in>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2011 7:20 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Citizens Grievance Redress Draft Bill 2011- how far citizen-friendly?
I have read this Karnataka RTI related thread quite carefully.
It appears that RTI activists from Karnataka lag behind the rest of
India quite considerably (second in their egos only to my friends from
Maharashtra) and the situation is easily exploited by the SCIC to
divide and rule.
It is far better that the RTI Act is scrapped in Karnataka before such
actions expand to the rest of India (like that 150 word per RTI rule).
Sarbajit
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Vikram Simha
<vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Dear Shashi Kumar
> I am sorry , Once Again I repeat that You Confuse yourself and Tend to club all Problems or Difficulties that the Common man faces to One Issue which has come out. My First mail was Very explicit it is our Own making of EGO clashes and ONEUPMANSHIP Being Played by Certain So called ACTIVISTS .
> It Is No Doubt that this Rule Made by the GOK is a Very silly one without Giving a proper understanding to the IDEA IDEALS and practice of the act
> I Can Just say that the people who Have Brought the ammendement must have Thought they Are experts but We all will Become if Do not ascertain our Rights under RTI section 18 . Yes I do agree i have an ACTIUON PLAN and Rananeethi which Can only Conveyed Personally and Not in these Forums for obvious reason .
> If the KIC is Inviting Trouble Every day it is their Bliss
> as reagads all Your other problems As activists We Got to Work and Slog and It is only the First part To discuss it for an Planning
> N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/11/11, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
>> To: scic@karnataka.gov.in
>> Cc: "rti4empowerment" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, secy-kic@karnataka.gov.in
>> Date: Friday, 11 November, 2011, 5:42 PM
>> Dear A.k.m. Naik,
>>
>> Forwarded fro Kind Attention
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "SHASHI KUMAR.A.R." <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:27:06 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI
>> ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Dear elder brother Sri. Vikram sir
>>
>> Thank you sir , I am not offensive or
>> defensive to your coment , It is my
>> job to write as a journalist what i saw in the KIC , To day
>> also i had seen
>> the commission official who is receiving
>> the complaints or appeals is
>> refusing to take the complaints under section 18 of the act
>> and they are
>> directing 1st to use section 19(1) and then come to
>> the commission and to
>> see the gazette notification which is displayed on the
>> notice board
>> As an law graduate i know and very ordinary
>> citizen says the rule made is
>> perfect , But My question is what is the necessity of
>> making gazette
>> notification by the government the law which is already
>> existing in RTI Act
>> 2005 pertaining to 1st appeal before the
>> respective appelate authority
>> and then to the KIC ,
>> The Karntaka information commisssion is having 6
>> information commissioners
>> and must see that all the departments must appoint PIO's
>> and appelate
>> authorites and to bring awareness &basics of RTI Act ,
>> Even after lapse of 6 years majority of
>> the government departments fails
>> to comply section 4(1)a / b of the act , One of our
>> volunteer filed rti
>> application pertaining to all the offices under
>> Vidhanasoudha and
>> vikas soudha [ 47 applications] , But the bundle is sent
>> back to him and
>> then he sent through COP / Ordinary post and it is deemed
>> to be received
>> Even after lapse of more than 1 year no response from any
>> body from
>> vidhanasoudha / Vikasasoudha , But complaint
>> under section 18 is filed to
>> the commission , but commission instead of hearing
>> the complaints ,
>> directed the petitioner to provide details regarding
>> all the pio names and
>> addresses , The government heads are not complying either
>> section 4(1) a
>> or b , even i filed rti application 2 years back with
>> city civil court ,
>> they collected further fee but even after several hearings
>> no information
>> is provided but information commissoners are retiring and
>> Pio;s of courts
>> retiring ,but application is still pending in the
>> commisson , this story
>> is same to other courts also , Karnataka lokayuktha office
>> not complied the
>> same ,KARNATAKA HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION STILL NOT
>> HAVING ITS OFFICIAL
>> WEBSITE , WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM AT RURAL KARNATAKA
>> LIKE GRAMA PANCHAYATH
>> LEVEL
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> ARS KUMAR. BE LLB MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]
>> SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST
>> Correspondent to the Weekly news paper " REPORTER"
>> Correspondent to Breaking News today News paper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly
>> states no one
>> > can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA
>> u/s 19(1)
>> >
>> > On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS *
>> > > *FOR KIND ATTENTION *
>> > > *
>> > > *
>> > > *KARNATAKA GOVT ISSUED AN GAZETTE
>> NOTIFICATION DATED 22/10/11 ,
>> > ENCLOSED
>> > > THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION
>> COMMISSION IS REFUSING
>> > THE
>> > > COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER
>> SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT
>> > > AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE DIRECTING ALL THE RTI
>> APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY
>> > > COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT ,
>> BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI
>> > > APPLICANTS TO FILE 1ST APEAL UNDER
>> SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE
>> > > RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN
>> ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS
>> > > MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF THE
>> ACT BEFORE KARNATAKA
>> > INFORMATION
>> > > COMMISSION , *
>> > > *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED
>> *
>> > > *
>> > > *
>> > > *I AM REQUESTING EVERY CITIZEN /ACTIVIST /
>> SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO
>> > > EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE
>> COMENTS , WHETHER THIS RULE
>> > > MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT IS VALID AS PER THE
>> PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT ?
>> > *
>> > > *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE ALSO MOST OF THE
>> GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT
>> > > WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD
>> GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES
>> > AND
>> > > NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A &
>> B OF THE ACT WITH GREAT
>> > > SPIRIT *
>> > > *MOST OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY
>> PIO AND THEY HAVE NOT
>> > APPOINTED
>> > > APPLELATE AUTHORITY ALSO , *
>> > > *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA
>> INFORMATION COMMISSION WHO ARE
>> > > RETIRED BUREAUCRATS TO SUPRESS
>> THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO SIT IDLE
>> > > AND TO GET THE AROUND 1.5 LAKSH
>> SALARY AND OTHER BENIFITS ,
>> > PRIVILAGES
>> > > , CAR , PERKS ETC , *
>> > > *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE
>> INFORMATION SOUGHT UNDER
>> > SECTION
>> > > 18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT
>> TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN
>> > THE
>> > > STATE , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON
>> CITY NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB
>> > > FOR CORRUPTION ,*
>> > > * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE ,
>> EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION
>> > > COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT
>> AND 150 WORDS , NOW
>> > THIS
>> > > IS THE SITUATION , IF THE APPLICATION
>> UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT
>> > IS
>> > > NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX
>> INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW
>> > > SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING
>> MORNING SESSION ONLY
>> > ABOUT
>> > > 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE
>> THAN 25 WITHIN 1
>> > HOUR ,
>> > > SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN
>> FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE
>> > THE
>> > > COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH
>> INFORMATION COMMISSIONER
>> > IS
>> > > GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT
>> IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT
>> > > PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS *
>> > > *
>> > > *
>> > > *WITH REGARDS *
>> > > *
>> > > *
>> > > *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN
>> RIGHTS ]*
>> > > *SOCIAL ACTIVIST *
>> > > *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION *
>> > > *KARNATAKA *
>> > > *[image: image.png]
>> > > *
>> > > *[image: image.png]
>> > > *
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Anand S.
>> > Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> > Bangalore 560 085.
>> > Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anand S.
>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> Bangalore 560 085.
>> Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>>
>
--- On Fri, 11/11/11, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com>
> Subject: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
> To: scic@karnataka.gov.in
> Cc: "rti4empowerment" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, secy-kic@karnataka.gov.in
> Date: Friday, 11 November, 2011, 5:42 PM
> Dear A.k.m. Naik,
>
> Forwarded fro Kind Attention
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "SHASHI KUMAR.A.R." <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:27:06 +0530
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI
> ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>
> Dear elder brother Sri. Vikram sir
>
> Thank you sir , I am not offensive or
> defensive to your coment , It is my
> job to write as a journalist what i saw in the KIC , To day
> also i had seen
> the commission official who is receiving
> the complaints or appeals is
> refusing to take the complaints under section 18 of the act
> and they are
> directing 1st to use section 19(1) and then come to
> the commission and to
> see the gazette notification which is displayed on the
> notice board
> As an law graduate i know and very ordinary
> citizen says the rule made is
> perfect , But My question is what is the necessity of
> making gazette
> notification by the government the law which is already
> existing in RTI Act
> 2005 pertaining to 1st appeal before the
> respective appelate authority
> and then to the KIC ,
> The Karntaka information commisssion is having 6
> information commissioners
> and must see that all the departments must appoint PIO's
> and appelate
> authorites and to bring awareness &basics of RTI Act ,
> Even after lapse of 6 years majority of
> the government departments fails
> to comply section 4(1)a / b of the act , One of our
> volunteer filed rti
> application pertaining to all the offices under
> Vidhanasoudha and
> vikas soudha [ 47 applications] , But the bundle is sent
> back to him and
> then he sent through COP / Ordinary post and it is deemed
> to be received
> Even after lapse of more than 1 year no response from any
> body from
> vidhanasoudha / Vikasasoudha , But complaint
> under section 18 is filed to
> the commission , but commission instead of hearing
> the complaints ,
> directed the petitioner to provide details regarding
> all the pio names and
> addresses , The government heads are not complying either
> section 4(1) a
> or b , even i filed rti application 2 years back with
> city civil court ,
> they collected further fee but even after several hearings
> no information
> is provided but information commissoners are retiring and
> Pio;s of courts
> retiring ,but application is still pending in the
> commisson , this story
> is same to other courts also , Karnataka lokayuktha office
> not complied the
> same ,KARNATAKA HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION STILL NOT
> HAVING ITS OFFICIAL
> WEBSITE , WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM AT RURAL KARNATAKA
> LIKE GRAMA PANCHAYATH
> LEVEL
>
> Thank you
>
> ARS KUMAR. BE LLB MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]
> SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST
> Correspondent to the Weekly news paper " REPORTER"
> Correspondent to Breaking News today News paper
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly
> states no one
> > can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA
> u/s 19(1)
> >
> > On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS *
> > > *FOR KIND ATTENTION *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *KARNATAKA GOVT ISSUED AN GAZETTE
> NOTIFICATION DATED 22/10/11 ,
> > ENCLOSED
> > > THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION
> COMMISSION IS REFUSING
> > THE
> > > COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER
> SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT
> > > AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE DIRECTING ALL THE RTI
> APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY
> > > COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT ,
> BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI
> > > APPLICANTS TO FILE 1ST APEAL UNDER
> SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE
> > > RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN
> ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS
> > > MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF THE
> ACT BEFORE KARNATAKA
> > INFORMATION
> > > COMMISSION , *
> > > *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED
> *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *I AM REQUESTING EVERY CITIZEN /ACTIVIST /
> SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO
> > > EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE
> COMENTS , WHETHER THIS RULE
> > > MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT IS VALID AS PER THE
> PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT ?
> > *
> > > *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE ALSO MOST OF THE
> GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT
> > > WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD
> GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES
> > AND
> > > NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A &
> B OF THE ACT WITH GREAT
> > > SPIRIT *
> > > *MOST OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY
> PIO AND THEY HAVE NOT
> > APPOINTED
> > > APPLELATE AUTHORITY ALSO , *
> > > *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA
> INFORMATION COMMISSION WHO ARE
> > > RETIRED BUREAUCRATS TO SUPRESS
> THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO SIT IDLE
> > > AND TO GET THE AROUND 1.5 LAKSH
> SALARY AND OTHER BENIFITS ,
> > PRIVILAGES
> > > , CAR , PERKS ETC , *
> > > *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE
> INFORMATION SOUGHT UNDER
> > SECTION
> > > 18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT
> TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN
> > THE
> > > STATE , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON
> CITY NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB
> > > FOR CORRUPTION ,*
> > > * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE ,
> EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION
> > > COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT
> AND 150 WORDS , NOW
> > THIS
> > > IS THE SITUATION , IF THE APPLICATION
> UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT
> > IS
> > > NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX
> INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW
> > > SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING
> MORNING SESSION ONLY
> > ABOUT
> > > 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE
> THAN 25 WITHIN 1
> > HOUR ,
> > > SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN
> FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE
> > THE
> > > COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH
> INFORMATION COMMISSIONER
> > IS
> > > GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT
> IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT
> > > PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *WITH REGARDS *
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN
> RIGHTS ]*
> > > *SOCIAL ACTIVIST *
> > > *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION *
> > > *KARNATAKA *
> > > *[image: image.png]
> > > *
> > > *[image: image.png]
> > > *
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anand S.
> > Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
> > Bangalore 560 085.
> > Cell No. +91-87928-91066
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand S.
> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
> Bangalore 560 085.
> Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>
Forwarded fro Kind Attention
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "SHASHI KUMAR.A.R." <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:27:06 +0530
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Dear elder brother Sri. Vikram sir
Thank you sir , I am not offensive or defensive to your coment , It is my
job to write as a journalist what i saw in the KIC , To day also i had seen
the commission official who is receiving the complaints or appeals is
refusing to take the complaints under section 18 of the act and they are
directing 1st to use section 19(1) and then come to the commission and to
see the gazette notification which is displayed on the notice board
As an law graduate i know and very ordinary citizen says the rule made is
perfect , But My question is what is the necessity of making gazette
notification by the government the law which is already existing in RTI Act
2005 pertaining to 1st appeal before the respective appelate authority
and then to the KIC ,
The Karntaka information commisssion is having 6 information commissioners
and must see that all the departments must appoint PIO's and appelate
authorites and to bring awareness &basics of RTI Act ,
Even after lapse of 6 years majority of the government departments fails
to comply section 4(1)a / b of the act , One of our volunteer filed rti
application pertaining to all the offices under Vidhanasoudha and
vikas soudha [ 47 applications] , But the bundle is sent back to him and
then he sent through COP / Ordinary post and it is deemed to be received
Even after lapse of more than 1 year no response from any body from
vidhanasoudha / Vikasasoudha , But complaint under section 18 is filed to
the commission , but commission instead of hearing the complaints ,
directed the petitioner to provide details regarding all the pio names and
addresses , The government heads are not complying either section 4(1) a
or b , even i filed rti application 2 years back with city civil court ,
they collected further fee but even after several hearings no information
is provided but information commissoners are retiring and Pio;s of courts
retiring ,but application is still pending in the commisson , this story
is same to other courts also , Karnataka lokayuktha office not complied the
same ,KARNATAKA HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION STILL NOT HAVING ITS OFFICIAL
WEBSITE , WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM AT RURAL KARNATAKA LIKE GRAMA PANCHAYATH
LEVEL
Thank you
ARS KUMAR. BE LLB MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]
SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST
Correspondent to the Weekly news paper " REPORTER"
Correspondent to Breaking News today News paper
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly states no one
> can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA u/s 19(1)
>
> On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS *
> > *FOR KIND ATTENTION *
> > *
> > *
> > *KARNATAKA GOVT ISSUED AN GAZETTE NOTIFICATION DATED 22/10/11 ,
> ENCLOSED
> > THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION IS REFUSING
> THE
> > COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT
> > AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE DIRECTING ALL THE RTI APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY
> > COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT , BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI
> > APPLICANTS TO FILE 1ST APEAL UNDER SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE
> > RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS
> > MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF THE ACT BEFORE KARNATAKA
> INFORMATION
> > COMMISSION , *
> > *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED *
> > *
> > *
> > *I AM REQUESTING EVERY CITIZEN /ACTIVIST / SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO
> > EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE COMENTS , WHETHER THIS RULE
> > MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT IS VALID AS PER THE PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT ?
> *
> > *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE ALSO MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT
> > WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES
> AND
> > NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A & B OF THE ACT WITH GREAT
> > SPIRIT *
> > *MOST OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY PIO AND THEY HAVE NOT
> APPOINTED
> > APPLELATE AUTHORITY ALSO , *
> > *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION WHO ARE
> > RETIRED BUREAUCRATS TO SUPRESS THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO SIT IDLE
> > AND TO GET THE AROUND 1.5 LAKSH SALARY AND OTHER BENIFITS ,
> PRIVILAGES
> > , CAR , PERKS ETC , *
> > *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION SOUGHT UNDER
> SECTION
> > 18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN
> THE
> > STATE , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON CITY NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB
> > FOR CORRUPTION ,*
> > * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE , EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION
> > COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT AND 150 WORDS , NOW
> THIS
> > IS THE SITUATION , IF THE APPLICATION UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT
> IS
> > NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW
> > SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING MORNING SESSION ONLY
> ABOUT
> > 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE THAN 25 WITHIN 1
> HOUR ,
> > SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE
> THE
> > COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH INFORMATION COMMISSIONER
> IS
> > GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT
> > PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS *
> > *
> > *
> > *WITH REGARDS *
> > *
> > *
> > *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]*
> > *SOCIAL ACTIVIST *
> > *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION *
> > *KARNATAKA *
> > *[image: image.png]
> > *
> > *[image: image.png]
> > *
> >
>
>
> --
> Anand S.
> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
> Bangalore 560 085.
> Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>
--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066
I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly states no one
can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA u/s 19(1)
On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
> *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS *
> *FOR KIND ATTENTION *
> *
> *
> *KARNATAKA GOVT ISSUED AN GAZETTE NOTIFICATION DATED 22/10/11 , ENCLOSED
> THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION IS REFUSING THE> COMMISSION , *
> COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT
> AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE DIRECTING ALL THE RTI APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY
> COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT , BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI
> APPLICANTS TO FILE 1ST APEAL UNDER SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE
> RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS
> MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF THE ACT BEFORE KARNATAKA INFORMATION
> *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED *
> *
> *
> *I AM REQUESTING EVERY CITIZEN /ACTIVIST / SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO
> EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE COMENTS , WHETHER THIS RULE> MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT IS VALID AS PER THE PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT ? *
> *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE ALSO MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT
> WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES AND> SPIRIT *
> NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A & B OF THE ACT WITH GREAT
> *MOST OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY PIO AND THEY HAVE NOT APPOINTED
> APPLELATE AUTHORITY ALSO , *
> *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION WHO ARE
> RETIRED BUREAUCRATS TO SUPRESS THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO SIT IDLE> , CAR , PERKS ETC , *
> AND TO GET THE AROUND 1.5 LAKSH SALARY AND OTHER BENIFITS , PRIVILAGES
> *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION SOUGHT UNDER SECTION
> 18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN THE> STATE , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON CITY NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB
> FOR CORRUPTION ,*
> * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE , EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION
> COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT AND 150 WORDS , NOW THIS> PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS *
> IS THE SITUATION , IF THE APPLICATION UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT IS
> NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW
> SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING MORNING SESSION ONLY ABOUT
> 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE THAN 25 WITHIN 1 HOUR ,
> SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE THE
> COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS
> GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT
> *
> *
> *WITH REGARDS *
> *
> *
> *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]*
> *SOCIAL ACTIVIST *
> *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION *
> *KARNATAKA *
> *[image: image.png]
> *
> *[image: image.png]
> *
>
--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066
Dear Sarabjit Roy,In response to my request to be categorical, u have advised me that i do not know how to read English properly. I am sorry to state that I request you the same.Please go through section 18 of the Act again and you will find that under sub section 2, Commissions may iniitate an inquiry in the matter.Under sub-section 3, Commissions while inquiring int any matter, have the same power pwers as are vested in a civil court while trying suit under the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908, in some respect, details given from (a) to (e).This options are not available in appeal cases filed u.s. 19(3) of the Act. Unfortunately, Commissions rarely take resort to these provision. Recently, a case has come to notice where a State Commission (probably Punjab) used this section and issued bailable warrant against a PIO.
However, according to your advise, I am trying to know how to read between the line apart from reading in lines. Advise you for the same.Regards,M K Gupta
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
Dear Guptaji
For the umpteenth time I am advising you that you do not know how to
read English properly.
The new Karnataka RTI Rules amendments do NOT curtail the right of
applicant to file a complaint u/s 18(1)(c) if the PIO fails to give a
reply to the RTI request within the time period prescribed.
I also do not see where the RTI Act specifies that the penalties for
complaints is more stringent than that for appeals.
Sarbajit
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:00 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> There is a need to panic. If we do not receive the reply to RTI
> application, applicant has a right to go to the Commission directly in
> complaint u.s. 18. How that option can be snacthed without due process of
> law. Other grounds to approach the Commission are enumerated sub sections
> (a) to (f) of section 18.
> There is no time limit to go to Commission in complaint case while in
> appeal, the limitation is of 90 days.
> In complaint, the penal provisions are more stringenent than in appeal.
> I would like Shri Sarabjit Roy to be categorical about his thinking on these
> points.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA
> STATE
>
> I agree with Sarbajit and Vinita, this pertains only to appeal process.
>
> Bhaskar Prabhu
> Mahiti Adhikar Manch
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh
> <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think there's anything to get panicky - it only says that first you
> should go to the appellate authority. my two bits
> cheers and warm rgds
> vinita
> Vinita Deshmukh
> Senior Journalist
> 98230 36663
> Consulting Editor, MoneyLife
> www.truecoloursofpune.blogspot.com
> co-author of the book`To The Last Bullet'
> Convener, Pune Metro Jagruti Abhiyaan
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The amended rules are perfectly ok and only concern 2nd appeals u/s 19(3).
> This has no bearing whatsover on complaints filed u/s 18.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
>
>
>
>
I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly states no one
can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA u/s 19(1)
On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
> *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS *
> *FOR KIND ATTENTION *
> *
> *
> *KARNATAKA GOVT ISSUED AN GAZETTE NOTIFICATION DATED 22/10/11 , ENCLOSED
> THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION IS REFUSING THE> COMMISSION , *
> COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT
> AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE DIRECTING ALL THE RTI APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY
> COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT , BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI
> APPLICANTS TO FILE 1ST APEAL UNDER SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE
> RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS
> MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF THE ACT BEFORE KARNATAKA INFORMATION
> *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED *
> *
> *
> *I AM REQUESTING EVERY CITIZEN /ACTIVIST / SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO
> EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE COMENTS , WHETHER THIS RULE> MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT IS VALID AS PER THE PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT ? *
> *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE ALSO MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT
> WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES AND> SPIRIT *
> NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A & B OF THE ACT WITH GREAT
> *MOST OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY PIO AND THEY HAVE NOT APPOINTED
> APPLELATE AUTHORITY ALSO , *
> *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA INFORMATION COMMISSION WHO ARE
> RETIRED BUREAUCRATS TO SUPRESS THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO SIT IDLE> , CAR , PERKS ETC , *
> AND TO GET THE AROUND 1.5 LAKSH SALARY AND OTHER BENIFITS , PRIVILAGES
> *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION SOUGHT UNDER SECTION
> 18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN THE> STATE , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON CITY NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB
> FOR CORRUPTION ,*
> * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE , EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION
> COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT AND 150 WORDS , NOW THIS> PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS *
> IS THE SITUATION , IF THE APPLICATION UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT IS
> NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW
> SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING MORNING SESSION ONLY ABOUT
> 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE THAN 25 WITHIN 1 HOUR ,
> SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE THE
> COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS
> GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT
> *
> *
> *WITH REGARDS *
> *
> *
> *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ]*
> *SOCIAL ACTIVIST *
> *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION *
> *KARNATAKA *
> *[image: image.png]
> *
> *[image: image.png]
> *
>
--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066
good move by high court. these type of persons abusing the
transparency law must be punished.
--
On 11/10/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> RTI misuse: NGO to cough up 75K
>
> Abhinav Garg TNN
>
> New Delhi: Harassment through misuse of RTI Act can cost you dearly.
>
> An
> NGO that used to hound MCD officials by swarming them with offensive
> RTI querieshaslearntthisthehard way.The Supreme Court has asked
> Paardarshita Public Welfare tocoughup a fineofRs 75,000 and pay
> ittotheBlindRelief Association,dismissing its plea to set aside a Delhi
> high court order.
> A division bench comprising Justice D K Jain and
> JusticeA nilKD ave rejectedthe argument put forward by the NGO and its
> general secretary Harkishan DasNirjhawan that the HC needlessly
> penalized them for seeking information under the transparency act.
> Nirjhawan
> had earned the courts wrath for demanding answers under RTI on sexual
> health and parentage of some of MCDs officials.HC was not amused when in
> November last year,the MCD informed it that Nirjhawan,who had then
> filed a PIL on alleged corruption in the organization of Commonwealth
> Games,constantly terrified them by threatening to expose them by filing
> such RTIs.
> The PIL sought an inquiry intotheinvolvementof certain MCD
> engineers in the Commonwealth Games scam.It alleged corruption on the
> part of the engineering department of the MCD,saying the engineers
> siphoned off public funds.
> HC dismissed the PIL and imposed a
> punitive fine on the NGO for RTI misuse.However,an unrepentant Nirjhawan
> chosetochallengetheHCorder before the apex court.Sources in the MCD
> claim despite the strong HC penalty,he still moves around in various
> offices of the civic agency carrying secret electronic gadgets to
> terrorize the officials.
> Withtheostensible purpose of nailing the
> corrupt,the NGO resortstobullying andintimidation,threatening MCD staff
> withcourtcases and more RTIs,agency officials said.
> Now,with even the
> apex court throwing out Nirjhawans appeal,many hope the NGO will mend
> its ways.In one of his RTIs that left the HC shocked,Nirjhawan asked the
> MCD to tell if some of its officials in the south zone area suffered
> from sexually-transmitteddiseases,if any of them had a surrogate or
> stepmother and their details and asked for a DNA report of an engineer
> in MCD to ascertain his parentage.RTI is a great act,it is people like
> you who give it a bad name, the bench had then observed,surprised to see
> how an NGO purportedly dedicated to eliminating corruption could
> adoptsuchlowtacticsfor a private agenda.
> abhinav.garg@timesgroup.com
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