Saturday, December 28, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

If this expirment fails,defently it will, reason for such result is the arrogancy of kejriwal and his crore teams. Peoples are not sending their wards to govt schools because of low quality. This cannot be improved as govt staff are posted for tenure post.their is no insentive for improving quality. Negative or positive incentive is necessary to get top quality from any sector. This fundamental principal is not follwed in this system. Without thinking about improving existing hospitals and schools AAP government is starting new schools and hospitals. By doing this they think that public will be happy. But that is not going to happen. Other than wasting money this wont help any body.

kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Congratulations to AAP leaders for forming Govt, however, governance to implement those promises are yet to be seen. As a citizen, I have parted my most valuable vote in consideration of what they assure me and it is my right to demand from them my due.

You may pass lokpal bill within 15 days
You may initiate proposal to lower electricity bills by 50% in 48 hours, or move to supply 750 liters of water to every household in 24 hours, etc
but practically could no do so, as it requires financial implications and very many procedures then, you throw the blame to CEA or Finance ministry or some agency for not considering, or some sort for all reasons, then smartly, like way they speak even today, we shall go to the people.

You can not run away now. Theirs leaders say openly, they have no alliance or understanding with the party, whose support they enjoy  to   form Govt, yet shamelesslessly declare no underdtanding, perhaps these leaders need refreshing vacabulary or new interpretation of the implications of they are indulging at present.

Whatever the case may be, I give damn to what they preach and do, but, I need those promises to be fullfilled, not words or nor  simple  initiatives or failures but real results, if not I must have the power to file FIR  for robing my valuable vote, which I have been keeping so dear for the last 5 years, for giving to an alternative political party,who could have done what they promise, unlike the present band of smart promisers, I am yet to wait, but, I shall not  agree to another flowery statement from them, we tried sincerely, but could not, so and so forth.

When faced with truth of inability to realise those impossible political promises, telling, we do not have full majority, hence, throw out the responsibility and go to people again are all vogus and stupid, you cannot fool public twice.

Dr Elangbam

On Dec 27, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/12/13
 
This forum has now become totally obsessed with AAP specially after 8/12/ when results were declared. Possibly no one expected the results-both main parties were dismissive of AAP,s performance.
Posts are mostly one liners-for or against AAP.
Corruption has taken a back seat. IAC is waiting for a new star to be born.Regds
 gaur

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:34:38 +0530
From: ckssabu@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I am surprised at the way some of this educated mass is behaving. When AAP did not want form the Govt,  there was a large fraternity which ridiculed them for not accepting a challenge incl the BJP. Now that they are prepared to form the Govt after the people of Delhi have given their approval, albeit with Congress support, there is another section which is being equally critical. Is this educated mass  clear on what they really want?

I think AAP has played out a great Strategic and Tactical game. Congress was the natural enemy of both  BJP and AAP being the incumbent Govt. The common adage- "enemy's enemy is my friend"  dictum does not work here. Resultantly, AAP is adopting the next best option- form a Govt with the Congress outside support. No one is in doubt that, this is as adversarial a partnership as can be. It hopefully  only obviates the Presidential rule and a re-poll within six months. Everyone is also clear that it is an  union that may not last more than three months or even less. It will fall the moment AAP makes progress on some of it's manifesto. Congress will be  in a sticky position--they will be damned if the pull out and they will be damned if they stay.  
 
We have experimented  with family led Congress Inc and the BJP political parties for so many decades. If the summation of India's greatest problem today,  of lifting the 35% Indians from BPL, is dismissed by the Congress led UPA's PM in waiting as  "Poverty is a only state of mind" that can be over come, then thinking Indians must start worrying. 

Let us  therefore  give a try with AAP. They have promised a new  paradigm- What do we loose in trying it out? Even if they  can reduce the electricity tariff   by 30% and provide water supply to all those who do not get it today,  the relief to the Aam Admi will be immense. 

AAP has shown a resolve and conviction for pursuing an ethical conduct that has gone missing from Indian political life for long. Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavors and hope that they succeed. The future of our children and indeed the Country is dependent on it. Paraphrasing what President  JFK Kennedy said so long ago, "Let us focus, on a more practical, more attainable integrity, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in our  institutions." 
You will agree, APP is attempting to do it.

Best Rgds
CKS Sabu
08826188222


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
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and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
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Tel:+9968345380


On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

Sarbajit
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Re: : [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] application under delhi right to information act

Certainly you can try and use it.

The advantage here is that the Chairman PGC is the former Chief Secy of Delhi
and has been in some very "wet" positions prior to getting this post.
It remains to be seen if he favours you or the other side :-)

Remember DRTI 2001 is different from RTI 2005, and the exemptions are
wider. However there is some Constitutional article (Art 251 ???)
which says that provisions of RTI Act 2005 can be read into the DRTI

Sarbajit

On 12/29/13, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Sarbajit ji
>
> Thanks for your feedback. Request to please throw light on my questions in
> initial mail since discussion took different turn
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Sat 28 Dec, 2013 1:42 PM GMT Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
>>It has not been repealed. It is still in force. Application fee is Rs.
>>25 and Rs. 5 per page.
>>
>>On 12/28/13, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Delhi right to information act 2001. has been repealed after coming of
>>> RTI
>>> Act,2005
>>>
>>> Bimal Khemani
>>> RTI activist
>>> ALIGARH-202001
>>> INDIA
>>> Mob:935-972-4625
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 28 December 2013 1:24 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Members
>>>
>>> CIC has long waiting time for appeal disposal. I need urgent information
>>> from Directorate of education and thinking of using Delhi right to
>>> information act 2001.
>>>
>>> 1. kindly advise if appeal disposable time by Public grievance commission
>>> is
>>> as high as CIC.
>>>
>>> 2. would it be advisable to use above act , since i have never used it
>>> before. I just wanted information about school fee hike in shortest time
>>> and
>>> in all my prev RTI applications under RTI 2005 act DOE has given
>>> incomplete
>>> responses etc and it would take another 6 months to get info by the time
>>> case is heard in the CIC.
>>>
>>> request to please guide on the matter and oblige
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Mohit
>>>
>>
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Re:: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] application under delhi right to information act

Sarbajit ji

Thanks for your feedback. Request to please throw light on my questions in initial mail since discussion took different turn


------------------------------
On Sat 28 Dec, 2013 1:42 PM GMT Sarbajit Roy wrote:

>It has not been repealed. It is still in force. Application fee is Rs.
>25 and Rs. 5 per page.
>
>On 12/28/13, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Delhi right to information act 2001. has been repealed after coming of RTI
>> Act,2005
>>
>> Bimal Khemani
>> RTI activist
>> ALIGARH-202001
>> INDIA
>> Mob:935-972-4625
>>
>> On Saturday, 28 December 2013 1:24 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear Members
>>
>> CIC has long waiting time for appeal disposal. I need urgent information
>> from Directorate of education and thinking of using Delhi right to
>> information act 2001.
>>
>> 1. kindly advise if appeal disposable time by Public grievance commission is
>> as high as CIC.
>>
>> 2. would it be advisable to use above act , since i have never used it
>> before. I just wanted information about school fee hike in shortest time and
>> in all my prev RTI applications under RTI 2005 act DOE has given incomplete
>> responses etc and it would take another 6 months to get info by the time
>> case is heard in the CIC.
>>
>> request to please guide on the matter and oblige
>>
>> regards
>> Mohit
>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I have come to know that AAP is going to appoint Mr. Shoaib Iqbal, MLA as speaker or deputy speaker. If this news is correct then the beginning of the end of AAP is certain. Their are many FIRs pending against the person and is responsible for spreading communal hatred by illegally encroaching and encouraging unauthorized construction under the religious banner in Netaji Subash Park, opp. Red Fort with the sole motto of benefiting for the MLA election which he certainly got it and expecting further benefits of entry into cabinet. AAP should discard such personalities if it really wants to achieve something in the longer run on the basis of corruption free Govt.


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Congratulations to AAP leaders for forming Govt, however, governance to implement those promises are yet to be seen. As a citizen, I have parted my most valuable vote in consideration of what they assure me and it is my right to demand from them my due.

You may pass lokpal bill within 15 days
You may initiate proposal to lower electricity bills by 50% in 48 hours, or move to supply 750 liters of water to every household in 24 hours, etc
but practically could no do so, as it requires financial implications and very many procedures then, you throw the blame to CEA or Finance ministry or some agency for not considering, or some sort for all reasons, then smartly, like way they speak even today, we shall go to the people.

You can not run away now. Theirs leaders say openly, they have no alliance or understanding with the party, whose support they enjoy  to   form Govt, yet shamelesslessly declare no underdtanding, perhaps these leaders need refreshing vacabulary or new interpretation of the implications of they are indulging at present.

Whatever the case may be, I give damn to what they preach and do, but, I need those promises to be fullfilled, not words or nor  simple  initiatives or failures but real results, if not I must have the power to file FIR  for robing my valuable vote, which I have been keeping so dear for the last 5 years, for giving to an alternative political party,who could have done what they promise, unlike the present band of smart promisers, I am yet to wait, but, I shall not  agree to another flowery statement from them, we tried sincerely, but could not, so and so forth.

When faced with truth of inability to realise those impossible political promises, telling, we do not have full majority, hence, throw out the responsibility and go to people again are all vogus and stupid, you cannot fool public twice.

Dr Elangbam

On Dec 27, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/12/13
 
This forum has now become totally obsessed with AAP specially after 8/12/ when results were declared. Possibly no one expected the results-both main parties were dismissive of AAP,s performance.
Posts are mostly one liners-for or against AAP.
Corruption has taken a back seat. IAC is waiting for a new star to be born.Regds
 gaur

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:34:38 +0530
From: ckssabu@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I am surprised at the way some of this educated mass is behaving. When AAP did not want form the Govt,  there was a large fraternity which ridiculed them for not accepting a challenge incl the BJP. Now that they are prepared to form the Govt after the people of Delhi have given their approval, albeit with Congress support, there is another section which is being equally critical. Is this educated mass  clear on what they really want?

I think AAP has played out a great Strategic and Tactical game. Congress was the natural enemy of both  BJP and AAP being the incumbent Govt. The common adage- "enemy's enemy is my friend"  dictum does not work here. Resultantly, AAP is adopting the next best option- form a Govt with the Congress outside support. No one is in doubt that, this is as adversarial a partnership as can be. It hopefully  only obviates the Presidential rule and a re-poll within six months. Everyone is also clear that it is an  union that may not last more than three months or even less. It will fall the moment AAP makes progress on some of it's manifesto. Congress will be  in a sticky position--they will be damned if the pull out and they will be damned if they stay.  
 
We have experimented  with family led Congress Inc and the BJP political parties for so many decades. If the summation of India's greatest problem today,  of lifting the 35% Indians from BPL, is dismissed by the Congress led UPA's PM in waiting as  "Poverty is a only state of mind" that can be over come, then thinking Indians must start worrying. 

Let us  therefore  give a try with AAP. They have promised a new  paradigm- What do we loose in trying it out? Even if they  can reduce the electricity tariff   by 30% and provide water supply to all those who do not get it today,  the relief to the Aam Admi will be immense. 

AAP has shown a resolve and conviction for pursuing an ethical conduct that has gone missing from Indian political life for long. Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavors and hope that they succeed. The future of our children and indeed the Country is dependent on it. Paraphrasing what President  JFK Kennedy said so long ago, "Let us focus, on a more practical, more attainable integrity, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in our  institutions." 
You will agree, APP is attempting to do it.

Best Rgds
CKS Sabu
08826188222


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
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and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
Papers and Presentations at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam
Tel:+9968345380


On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

Sarbajit
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[HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] application under delhi right to information act

It has not been repealed. It is still in force. Application fee is Rs.
25 and Rs. 5 per page.

On 12/28/13, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>
> Delhi right to information act 2001. has been repealed after coming of RTI
> Act,2005
>
> Bimal Khemani
> RTI activist
> ALIGARH-202001
> INDIA
> Mob:935-972-4625
>
> On Saturday, 28 December 2013 1:24 PM, Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Members
>
> CIC has long waiting time for appeal disposal. I need urgent information
> from Directorate of education and thinking of using Delhi right to
> information act 2001.
>
> 1. kindly advise if appeal disposable time by Public grievance commission is
> as high as CIC.
>
> 2. would it be advisable to use above act , since i have never used it
> before. I just wanted information about school fee hike in shortest time and
> in all my prev RTI applications under RTI 2005 act DOE has given incomplete
> responses etc and it would take another 6 months to get info by the time
> case is heard in the CIC.
>
> request to please guide on the matter and oblige
>
> regards
> Mohit
>

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RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

S. Roy
Have you ever wondered why there have been so many expose leading to scams about European companies be it french or Italian, Swedish or german or Danish, but hardly about US multinationals. Could it not be that US inteligence is behind them to discredit the competitors. Some issues were raised about Walmart indulging in corruption-that also from US sources,not Indian sources. Things seem to be under control in our own invetigations.
Monsanto is merrily going on with their plans onGM crops inspite of alround opposition.Ultimately they plan to control food and water supply in the country.All this in the name of helping India to organise the retail sector and cope with their future food requirement.
Regds
JKGaur
 

 
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 00:22:04 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

IAC is apolitcal,
Our members cannot be part of any political party.

Insofar as acts of corruption goes -

1) Managing to stay in Delhi for 20 years along with his wife
2) Touting when he was in IT Dept.
3) Touting on behalf of anti-national forces to systematically collect
information about disgruntled / corrupt senior level bureaucrats so
that they can be approached by foreign intelligence agencies.
4) Repeatedly going abroad for intelligence training by his foreign spymasters.
5) Repeatedly accepting crores of rupees from CIA and MI6 etc
disguised as awards and funding, all this while he was still a serving
officer.
6) On Aruna Roy's instructions, creating a fake (ie. completely BOGUS)
movement against Degremont (Sonia Vihar / Rithala projects) based on
4,000 pages of "secret" home delivered documents from Congress Party
to squeeze more bribes out of Degremont for Congress Party (and
themselves personally).

Sarbajit

On 12/25/13, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
> My dear Venkatraman,
>
> I will be grateful if you can list out in detail acts of corruption by
> Khejriwal . Both BJP and congress have been shouting from the roof top
> that
> AAP have recd money from Overseas and so on . AAP has put up on their
> website every penny recd with source and he has dared the all other
> existing political parties top declare their source. AAP has accepted RTI.
> No other political party has come with an assurance for accepting RTI.
>
> Come on Venkataraman. . Do let us know what you do? Are you in politics.
> If so which party ?
>
> Pl. Introduce yourself properly Thanks Seshadri

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Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

All anti AAP rhetoric from IAC must cease forthwith. What are the antecedents of the IAC leaders.
You sift mails and publish only your views.
I firmly support AAP. They will reshape this country and bring hope and optimism back.
ANNA is great man but has been mislead. If AAP had not trounced congress there would have been no Lokpal. The political parties would not have bothered about his fast.
Suggest join Kejriwal and accelerate the transition

Sqn ldr sn datt retd

On 24 Dec 2013 23:46, "arun joshi" <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
Managing online networks for Movement for Transition to Post Carbon Green India http://transitionurbanindia.ning.com  ,Ecostrategic Communicators for Carbon-Neutral Leisure  http://ecostrategiccommunicators.ning.com
and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
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On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

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Friday, December 27, 2013

RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

Mr. Aggrawal
Sorry I was mistaking you for another RTI activist.
Since you are a part of AAP, it becomes your internal matter. 
Gaur 
 

From: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
To: rakesh@nyayabhoomi.org; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:19:48 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

Dear  Mr Agarawal

O  k.  What have you done about this ? Why don't you go to the press which is always ready to bite in to such news / You will be doing a great favour to us if you expose PROPERLY the misdeeds of AAP as well as other political parties particularly that of Congress !!!  Seshadri

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 2:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

 

Dear Mr. Seshadri

 

This is my first post on this group ever since it was born. You say that AAP have accepted RTI. Wrong! Proof lies in its adoption and implementation, not rhetoric.

 

1.       At least three applications filed between 8th October and 16th November by me and people known to me are yet to be responded. Time limit is 30 days.

2.       AAP have failed to comply with Section 4 requirement of RTI Act. There is not a word on their website.

 

Regards

Rakesh Agarwal

 

 

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Sent: 25 December 2013 13:38
To: nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

 

My dear Venkatraman,

 

I will be grateful if you can list out in detail  acts  of corruption by Khejriwal .  Both BJP and congress have been shouting from the roof top that AAP have recd money from Overseas and so on .  AAP has put up on their website every penny recd with source and he has dared the  all other existing political parties top declare their source. AAP has accepted RTI. No other political party has come with an assurance for accepting RTI.

Come on Venkataraman. . Do let us know what you do?  Are you in  politics. If so which party ?

Pl. Introduce yourself properly Thanks Seshadri


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RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

Mr. Aggarwal
Which political party has complied with RTI Sec.4 requirement?
S. Roy had also sent some queries to Congree party. Did he receive any reply? We are not aware.So is the case with BJP.
The Govt. has been consistently saying that political parties are outside the perview of RTI.
Govt. is only reflecting the consensus of all political parties.
So why blame only AAP who have yet to organise themselves properly.
Besides, what further action have to taken to pusue this matter further as suggested by Mr. sheshadri..
I hope you are not aligned with any political party and are strictly apolitical as this forum is.
JKGaur 
 

From: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
To: rakesh@nyayabhoomi.org; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:19:48 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

Dear  Mr Agarawal

O  k.  What have you done about this ? Why don't you go to the press which is always ready to bite in to such news / You will be doing a great favour to us if you expose PROPERLY the misdeeds of AAP as well as other political parties particularly that of Congress !!!  Seshadri

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 2:29 PM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

 

Dear Mr. Seshadri

 

This is my first post on this group ever since it was born. You say that AAP have accepted RTI. Wrong! Proof lies in its adoption and implementation, not rhetoric.

 

1.       At least three applications filed between 8th October and 16th November by me and people known to me are yet to be responded. Time limit is 30 days.

2.       AAP have failed to comply with Section 4 requirement of RTI Act. There is not a word on their website.

 

Regards

Rakesh Agarwal

 

 

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Sent: 25 December 2013 13:38
To: nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] India against corruption,

 

My dear Venkatraman,

 

I will be grateful if you can list out in detail  acts  of corruption by Khejriwal .  Both BJP and congress have been shouting from the roof top that AAP have recd money from Overseas and so on .  AAP has put up on their website every penny recd with source and he has dared the  all other existing political parties top declare their source. AAP has accepted RTI. No other political party has come with an assurance for accepting RTI.

Come on Venkataraman. . Do let us know what you do?  Are you in  politics. If so which party ?

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Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

Do not indulge into any freebies and reservations. These propagate incompetence and make people nikamma.

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On Dec 27, 2013, at 2:44 PM, kameswar elangbam <dreksingh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Congratulations to AAP leaders for forming Govt, however, governance to implement those promises are yet to be seen. As a citizen, I have parted my most valuable vote in consideration of what they assure me and it is my right to demand from them my due.

You may pass lokpal bill within 15 days
You may initiate proposal to lower electricity bills by 50% in 48 hours, or move to supply 750 liters of water to every household in 24 hours, etc
but practically could no do so, as it requires financial implications and very many procedures then, you throw the blame to CEA or Finance ministry or some agency for not considering, or some sort for all reasons, then smartly, like way they speak even today, we shall go to the people.

You can not run away now. Theirs leaders say openly, they have no alliance or understanding with the party, whose support they enjoy  to   form Govt, yet shamelesslessly declare no underdtanding, perhaps these leaders need refreshing vacabulary or new interpretation of the implications of they are indulging at present.

Whatever the case may be, I give damn to what they preach and do, but, I need those promises to be fullfilled, not words or nor  simple  initiatives or failures but real results, if not I must have the power to file FIR  for robing my valuable vote, which I have been keeping so dear for the last 5 years, for giving to an alternative political party,who could have done what they promise, unlike the present band of smart promisers, I am yet to wait, but, I shall not  agree to another flowery statement from them, we tried sincerely, but could not, so and so forth.

When faced with truth of inability to realise those impossible political promises, telling, we do not have full majority, hence, throw out the responsibility and go to people again are all vogus and stupid, you cannot fool public twice.

Dr Elangbam

On Dec 27, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/12/13
 
This forum has now become totally obsessed with AAP specially after 8/12/ when results were declared. Possibly no one expected the results-both main parties were dismissive of AAP,s performance.
Posts are mostly one liners-for or against AAP.
Corruption has taken a back seat. IAC is waiting for a new star to be born.Regds
 gaur

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:34:38 +0530
From: ckssabu@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I am surprised at the way some of this educated mass is behaving. When AAP did not want form the Govt,  there was a large fraternity which ridiculed them for not accepting a challenge incl the BJP. Now that they are prepared to form the Govt after the people of Delhi have given their approval, albeit with Congress support, there is another section which is being equally critical. Is this educated mass  clear on what they really want?

I think AAP has played out a great Strategic and Tactical game. Congress was the natural enemy of both  BJP and AAP being the incumbent Govt. The common adage- "enemy's enemy is my friend"  dictum does not work here. Resultantly, AAP is adopting the next best option- form a Govt with the Congress outside support. No one is in doubt that, this is as adversarial a partnership as can be. It hopefully  only obviates the Presidential rule and a re-poll within six months. Everyone is also clear that it is an  union that may not last more than three months or even less. It will fall the moment AAP makes progress on some of it's manifesto. Congress will be  in a sticky position--they will be damned if the pull out and they will be damned if they stay.  
 
We have experimented  with family led Congress Inc and the BJP political parties for so many decades. If the summation of India's greatest problem today,  of lifting the 35% Indians from BPL, is dismissed by the Congress led UPA's PM in waiting as  "Poverty is a only state of mind" that can be over come, then thinking Indians must start worrying. 

Let us  therefore  give a try with AAP. They have promised a new  paradigm- What do we loose in trying it out? Even if they  can reduce the electricity tariff   by 30% and provide water supply to all those who do not get it today,  the relief to the Aam Admi will be immense. 

AAP has shown a resolve and conviction for pursuing an ethical conduct that has gone missing from Indian political life for long. Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavors and hope that they succeed. The future of our children and indeed the Country is dependent on it. Paraphrasing what President  JFK Kennedy said so long ago, "Let us focus, on a more practical, more attainable integrity, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in our  institutions." 
You will agree, APP is attempting to do it.

Best Rgds
CKS Sabu
08826188222


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
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and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
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Tel:+9968345380


On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

Sarbajit
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RE: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

Dear all,

Congratulations to AAP leaders for forming Govt, however, governance to implement those promises are yet to be seen. As a citizen, I have parted my most valuable vote in consideration of what they assure me and it is my right to demand from them my due.

You may pass lokpal bill within 15 days
You may initiate proposal to lower electricity bills by 50% in 48 hours, or move to supply 750 liters of water to every household in 24 hours, etc
but practically could no do so, as it requires financial implications and very many procedures then, you throw the blame to CEA or Finance ministry or some agency for not considering, or some sort for all reasons, then smartly, like way they speak even today, we shall go to the people.

You can not run away now. Theirs leaders say openly, they have no alliance or understanding with the party, whose support they enjoy  to   form Govt, yet shamelesslessly declare no underdtanding, perhaps these leaders need refreshing vacabulary or new interpretation of the implications of they are indulging at present.

Whatever the case may be, I give damn to what they preach and do, but, I need those promises to be fullfilled, not words or nor  simple  initiatives or failures but real results, if not I must have the power to file FIR  for robing my valuable vote, which I have been keeping so dear for the last 5 years, for giving to an alternative political party,who could have done what they promise, unlike the present band of smart promisers, I am yet to wait, but, I shall not  agree to another flowery statement from them, we tried sincerely, but could not, so and so forth.

When faced with truth of inability to realise those impossible political promises, telling, we do not have full majority, hence, throw out the responsibility and go to people again are all vogus and stupid, you cannot fool public twice.

Dr Elangbam

On Dec 27, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/12/13
 
This forum has now become totally obsessed with AAP specially after 8/12/ when results were declared. Possibly no one expected the results-both main parties were dismissive of AAP,s performance.
Posts are mostly one liners-for or against AAP.
Corruption has taken a back seat. IAC is waiting for a new star to be born.Regds
 gaur

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:34:38 +0530
From: ckssabu@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I am surprised at the way some of this educated mass is behaving. When AAP did not want form the Govt,  there was a large fraternity which ridiculed them for not accepting a challenge incl the BJP. Now that they are prepared to form the Govt after the people of Delhi have given their approval, albeit with Congress support, there is another section which is being equally critical. Is this educated mass  clear on what they really want?

I think AAP has played out a great Strategic and Tactical game. Congress was the natural enemy of both  BJP and AAP being the incumbent Govt. The common adage- "enemy's enemy is my friend"  dictum does not work here. Resultantly, AAP is adopting the next best option- form a Govt with the Congress outside support. No one is in doubt that, this is as adversarial a partnership as can be. It hopefully  only obviates the Presidential rule and a re-poll within six months. Everyone is also clear that it is an  union that may not last more than three months or even less. It will fall the moment AAP makes progress on some of it's manifesto. Congress will be  in a sticky position--they will be damned if the pull out and they will be damned if they stay.  
 
We have experimented  with family led Congress Inc and the BJP political parties for so many decades. If the summation of India's greatest problem today,  of lifting the 35% Indians from BPL, is dismissed by the Congress led UPA's PM in waiting as  "Poverty is a only state of mind" that can be over come, then thinking Indians must start worrying. 

Let us  therefore  give a try with AAP. They have promised a new  paradigm- What do we loose in trying it out? Even if they  can reduce the electricity tariff   by 30% and provide water supply to all those who do not get it today,  the relief to the Aam Admi will be immense. 

AAP has shown a resolve and conviction for pursuing an ethical conduct that has gone missing from Indian political life for long. Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavors and hope that they succeed. The future of our children and indeed the Country is dependent on it. Paraphrasing what President  JFK Kennedy said so long ago, "Let us focus, on a more practical, more attainable integrity, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in our  institutions." 
You will agree, APP is attempting to do it.

Best Rgds
CKS Sabu
08826188222


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
Managing online networks for Movement for Transition to Post Carbon Green India http://transitionurbanindia.ning.com  ,Ecostrategic Communicators for Carbon-Neutral Leisure  http://ecostrategiccommunicators.ning.com
and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
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Tel:+9968345380


On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

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RE: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

This country has seen political changes within a gape of ten to fifteen years.whenever people felt about radical changes some self styled idelogue hijacked the momentum and with an intention to put their name in the history implemented rotten ideas and pet projects which are never touched with the stone of truth or reason . Because of this self styled heroes efforts. ,our development was driven in reverse gear.look at the case of v p singh that was the Period when the country was able to think beyond soviet union. Sam pitroda introduced telephone revolution. Country really moving above than caste and class. An effort to get vote bank created havoc in this country. After mandal all political parties started fighting each other to win more backward class votes.now no major political partes want to do away caste based reservation. Political parties implementing liberaral policies out of compulsion at least delhi govt has moved more forward than other states in liberal policies. Kejriwal wants to reverse the clock by subsidizing whater etc. Once he starts to do this all political parties in the country will follow him for getting votes. This country is ruind because of freebies and subsidies u cant reduce corruption by simply adopting failed ecenomic policies. Our development went in reverse gear after political change in 89,2004, and now in 2014 . Remember either modi or kejriwal they are not going to solve our problems as they both wants to see their name in future history. This kind of self proclaimed crusades failed in bringing changes in past so also in future. They are good only to them selves and not to the society we can achieve success only when we are ready to think beyond hero worships.

On Dec 27, 2013 12:54 PM, "Gaur J K" <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/12/13
 
This forum has now become totally obsessed with AAP specially after 8/12/ when results were declared. Possibly no one expected the results-both main parties were dismissive of AAP,s performance.
Posts are mostly one liners-for or against AAP.
Corruption has taken a back seat. IAC is waiting for a new star to be born.Regds
 gaur

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:34:38 +0530
From: ckssabu@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The beginning of the end for AAP

I am surprised at the way some of this educated mass is behaving. When AAP did not want form the Govt,  there was a large fraternity which ridiculed them for not accepting a challenge incl the BJP. Now that they are prepared to form the Govt after the people of Delhi have given their approval, albeit with Congress support, there is another section which is being equally critical. Is this educated mass  clear on what they really want?

I think AAP has played out a great Strategic and Tactical game. Congress was the natural enemy of both  BJP and AAP being the incumbent Govt. The common adage- "enemy's enemy is my friend"  dictum does not work here. Resultantly, AAP is adopting the next best option- form a Govt with the Congress outside support. No one is in doubt that, this is as adversarial a partnership as can be. It hopefully  only obviates the Presidential rule and a re-poll within six months. Everyone is also clear that it is an  union that may not last more than three months or even less. It will fall the moment AAP makes progress on some of it's manifesto. Congress will be  in a sticky position--they will be damned if the pull out and they will be damned if they stay.  
 
We have experimented  with family led Congress Inc and the BJP political parties for so many decades. If the summation of India's greatest problem today,  of lifting the 35% Indians from BPL, is dismissed by the Congress led UPA's PM in waiting as  "Poverty is a only state of mind" that can be over come, then thinking Indians must start worrying. 

Let us  therefore  give a try with AAP. They have promised a new  paradigm- What do we loose in trying it out? Even if they  can reduce the electricity tariff   by 30% and provide water supply to all those who do not get it today,  the relief to the Aam Admi will be immense. 

AAP has shown a resolve and conviction for pursuing an ethical conduct that has gone missing from Indian political life for long. Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavors and hope that they succeed. The future of our children and indeed the Country is dependent on it. Paraphrasing what President  JFK Kennedy said so long ago, "Let us focus, on a more practical, more attainable integrity, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in our  institutions." 
You will agree, APP is attempting to do it.

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am totally confused as to why people are hesitant to experiment.
Did we not experiment with family led political parties for so many decades. (They joke with us with "adhi roti" "puri roti" try and gain sympathy by shedding crocodile tears - all acceptable to us)
Let us give a try with AAP. What do we loose?
Even if he can reduce the tariff on electricity by 20% and increase the water supply by 20% the relief that will percolate down to an ordinary citizen will be heartening.
It has been achieved elsewhere in the country so can it be done in Delhi.
Let us wish AAP the very best in their endeavor and prove that in India anything is possible.


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAP or any party can not fight corruption unless they engage with solid moral foundations first . APP lied to people making posters referring to 15 years of corruption as if all the public money was looted and nothing was done. I love fight against corruption but it should have been done with honest acknowledgement of the work while promising that they would do better.
 
Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
Managing online networks for Movement for Transition to Post Carbon Green India http://transitionurbanindia.ning.com  ,Ecostrategic Communicators for Carbon-Neutral Leisure  http://ecostrategiccommunicators.ning.com
and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
Papers and Presentations at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam
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On Friday, 20 December 2013 11:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
By agreeing to form a Govt with Congress support, AAP has shown that they are as unprincipled and untrustworthy as everybody else.

RIP : AAP

Sarbajit
www.indiaagainstcorrupyion.org.in


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