Saturday, September 19, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Interested in practising Law

Dear Sri Purobi Ghosh Mohan

Thanks for the offer.

I have been working in the area of consumer rights and have learnt to my horror that the amendments to the original CPA has resulted in the consumer fora/commissions becoming worse than regular courts where, as Arundhati Roy had rightly said, the process is part of the punishment and it affects both the complainant and the respondent(s)!

I have had to go to Delhi all the way from kerala for attending a hearing to decide whether the appeal should be taken on file or not! 

To put it succintly, the consumer protection act is no more for consumer protection and it will be better to rename it as consumer persecution act!

regards n bw

ravi

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Purobi Ghosh Mohan <cgsi09@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit,

As you are aware, I have more than 2 decades of management experience having worked in senior managerial positions. I have worked on CSR activities with corporates and NGOs.

I have LLB as well as MBA degrees from reputed institutions.

I intend to practice law. I want to work on legal documentation including drafting and litigation in areas like -

(a) Women's Issues

(b) Human Rights

(b) Consumer Protection

(c) Intellectual Property Rights

I may offer my services pro bono on a case-to-case basis.

If any IAC member has any proposition on an assignment in an area given above, I would be glad to consider it.

Do circulate and oblige.

Regards

Purobi Ghosh Mohan

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Friday, September 18, 2015

[IAC#RG]

WANING NARENDRA MODI ON THE SLIDE


By Aires Rodrigues


In yet more empty rhetoric Narendra Modi now vows that he will do in 50 months what others have not done in 50 years obviously referring to the Congress. But over the last 16 months he has only been blabbering and merrily touring the world. And for the next 34 months that is all he will be up to. All indications are however that in Corruption the BJP may pocket in 50 months what it took the Congress 50 years.  


Like Dr Manmohan Singh, now Narendra Modi too sits mum when his government is cornered. He promised the country the moon but has miserably failed to deliver.  It has been only empty glossy talk all the way. With his one man rule, basic democratic values have been consigned to the wind. 


Nothing has been done to strengthen the Right to Information Act while the Lok Pal is also not in place only affording 'Acche din' for the corrupt. It is no secret that the Narendra Modi government is geared, controlled, and manipulated by the RSS and the VHP who are deeply entrenched in their very divisive ideology.


Fascism is at its peak, with sheer intolerance to criticism. L. K. Advani was not wrong in voicing his concern as recently as on 18th June this year that the repeat of Emergency could happen. The people of India are now seeing through NaMo's vicious game plan with the chorus already bugling 'Modi Hatao Desh Bachao'. 


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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Mr Kapoor,

Are you even aware of how such a condition has come about? 

You want to know if there are any other countries where such type of pension is there. Do you have the faintest idea about the pensions and treatment that veterans are given in other countries?

I would recommend that you carry out a little research about the genesis of this problem to know how we have reached such a sorry state. 

It appears that you are OK with the "Babus" and the politicians getting their OROP, pension and perks ... who have no shame in taking the country for a ride ... but you are vehemently against the genuine demand of the veterans who have been short changed by these very "Babus" and politicians.

I would like to ask you if you are willing to lay down your life for the country? Or, for that matter, do you have any of your relatives who are a part of the armed forces? 

To me it is obvious that you, and people like you, who sit in the comfort of their homes ... (a condition created by the sacrifice of the defence services, who guard the countries borders, at the cost of their lives, in difficult conditions, so that you and the rest of the population of this country can live peacefully) .. are totally clueless and yet consider it necessary to pass judgement on the legitimate demands of the veterans.

I sincerely urge you to get to the bottom of this and, I am sure, you will be ashamed of the injustice that has been done to the armed forces. You will also understand how the government (both present and past) have taken the armed forces for a ride. 

Please do your homework before raising such questions.

Regards,

Ramesh Sharma



On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Mr Kapoor and Mr Rajan need to learn a little more about the developed nations like US, UK and China and their armies before commenting on OROP and the 'doles'.
And also find out about machinations of our bureaucracy and then give the subject a serious thought.
You are of course at liberty to carry on without doing any of this.
Ashok Coomar 

On 17 September 2015 at 11:53, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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[IAC#RG] reply to your letter

Dy General Manager Saab,
Sitting on a chair at a safe place ( safe due to the Armed forces are seeing you safe) with limited knowledge of your own profession only , you have been planted to thwart the movement:

Just  couple of questions answer honestly:
 1. Name a service which has been called to help or take the work of Armed forces, may it be manpower, material and planning.
I can site many instances when Armed forces have been called
a) Whenever security effort by Home ministry forces( BSF. CRPF, ITBP etc )failed,
b) During Flood relief civil administration failed to evacuate, settle, feed,  immunize even after having allocated Corers to maintain the so disaster relief unit and highly paid IAS,
c) During earthquake relief,
d) During railway strike it happened once since 1947 trains were run by Armed forces,
e) Coastal defence even after having coastguard,
f) Administration failure Mandal Commission , Sikh Riot, Hardik Patel agitation are some of the case in point. 
g) Even a PSU Lockout has been run by Armed forces. The power houses and telecom services has been run by Armed forces in the past.
h) Have you forgotten Uttrakhand Disaster. Soldiers made a human bridge lying down to let the marooned people move across rope bridge to safety, food drop etc. Civil administration have all resources and money but failed why. 
I) A small child fell in the well, what happened he had to rescued by Armed forces
j) Asiad games run adm by Armed forces, isn't it shame

k) Don't forget you ungrateful Manager, 26/11in Bombay was tackled by Armed forces, why not the Civil adm. it armed potbellied offrs and troops .

ETC  ETC

That is selfless dedication which is not there in any terms of condition of services.   

2. Which Govt. dept , companies , services the pay perks pension benefits have been reduced since independence. There has been always an increase. For the Armed forces the pension entitlement has been  reduced from 70 to 50 %, pay and perks systematically reduced compared to corresponding increase in other services.

3. Lastly do you agree that you  have a threat looming across the border and within the country ( Naxal, NE movement, pro terrorist supporters )which can destabilise the govt. its administration, economy, public life if there is week, demoralise Armed forces. Do you  need the Army, if so than don't touch on their IZZAT.

Must remember the pay and perks makes forces fight but it is the Dignity and honour that make them embrace death. You are touching very sensitive issues related to both .  

DON'T TRY TO RESIST SOMETHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF . IF YOU ARE A PAID STOOGE YOU MAY TRY BUT YOU WILL HARM YOURSELF AND YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

   
Brigadier kashi Nath Saha
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Thursday, September 17, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Mr Kapoor

Are you aware that whole lot of IAS IPS and other group A services personnel have been getting OROP for many years.
They are entitled treatment abroad. They work till 60 even if they are severely physically handicapped.

Are you sure you even know what military service is.

Sqn ldr sn datt

On 18 Sep 2015 06:32, "Satish Kumar Kapoor" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Mr Satish Kumar Kapoor & others

1.    I am surprised that you ,like the politicians, talk of why a General should get Rs 80,000 + ? What percentage makes this category ? Any idea ? It is less than 1% - hence do not hood wink others to quote figures to make believe in what you say. Are you aware that 100% OROP is already applicable to bureaucrats, Judiciary, Parliamentarians etc.

2.    Do you know ?
        (a) After the Great Victory in 1971,as a reward,  the Govt reduced the pension of Defence Persons from 70 % to 50 % and at the same time increased their ( bureaucrats & others) pension from 30 % to 50 %.
       (b)  In the 6th Pay commission, NFU was doled out to others (less Armed Forces), where in all IAS, IPS& Group 'A' Services would retireat the highest pay scale, ensuring highest pension + OROP. They left Defence Forces out of it
        (c) The IAS,IPS and Central Forces also gave themselves ACP - Assured Career Progression, but again the Forces were left out. Thus Defence Forces were made below the civilian counter parts and systematically brought down in protocol list. Result - % of persons joining the Forces reduced drastically . Can we afford this ?
        (d) Any natural or man made calamity - who comes to the rescue - Defence Forces. Be it floods, earth quake, tsunami - Army is called out.
        (e) Nehru wanted to disband the existing Army and said India does not need Army and Police and Para military forces would do the job . Then came 1962 when Chinese attacked India, with their pants down. What was the result ! Read books on this. History will tell you.
         (e) For OROP we need 8,300 crores. What is this amount - a chicken feed for a country like ours ! We talk of scams of lakhs of crores. Donation to Bihar (political wooing) 1,25,000 crores !!!
         (f)  You may be surprised to know that, there is no representative of Defence Services in Central Pay Commission, in spite of several requests. The forthcoming 7th Pay Commission is also without any representation from Defence.
         (g) Defence Forces are debarred from having Unions, Strikes etc . Civilians can resort to these tactics to put forth their demands on Salary etc and more often that not they are successful.
         (h) The Committee ordered by the Govt to look into the OROP has recommended it. Both UPA Govt and  NDA Govt has passed it in Parliament and finally Supreme Court has also asked for early implementation of OROP. In fact Govt of India has been served with Contempt of Court.

3.  Suffice to mention the above.There are many more such injustices done and the Defence Forces which will need volumes to write.


 With Regards
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)    



On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Shri Kapoor, 
Sages say that little knowledge if persisted with can easily put one's foot in one's own mouth. With absolutely zero or little knowledge of the HR function of the Armed Forces, one can easily commit a blunder of spreading own ignorance. If you just visit the web site of Army, Navy or Air Force and spend 10-15 mins, you would grasp some knowledge about the HR function of the Armed Forces and get the answer as to how the compensation for early retirement to keep the organisation young and effective at all levels from a sepoy to the Chiefs needs to be streamlined from its present mess. OROP is one of the means to deliver that justice to the Armed Forces which was brutally snatched away from them by the govt after the gallant Armed Forces delivered an unparalleled victory to the citizens of the nation in 71. Better for the citizens of the country to know the truth than remaining ignorant that OROP is one of the means approved by two Parliaments and Honorable SC, meant to restore the honor and respect of the Armed Forces. Hope your good self spreads this truth amongst your friends and other citizens rather than choosing to remain in the dark. Thanks for your patience.

With warm regards, 

sent from my iPhone

On 17-Sep-2015, at 11:53 am, Satish Kumar Kapoor (via indiaresists Mailing List) <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
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8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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LTCOL(retd) T T KISHORE


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