Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement

Dear Mr. K K Rao,

 

What i will do the list will only be known only after reading the names mentioned in the list?  Before seeing the list or uncertain about its existence, it seems that it may be a ploy to defame and discourage the rti activists and whistle blowers.

I was surprised at such a childish question.  Everybody would be interested to know the names of persons who are purportedly involved in anti-national activities and would like to know the factual position.

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From: Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 15 December, 2010 7:02:59 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement

In every corner of the country,RTI Activists nrrd to take a copy of
CIC circular and seek from the HODs/PIOs reasons for not compling with
the CIC directives  and seek most immediate action,in letterand
spirit.
Specifically the response must cover lack of
technology/procedures/trained personnel/budgetry
allocation/leadership/time resourse.
There's adequate response,infact available for all the factors to
counter the lethargy/will power.
Shockingly the Central/State Government who MUST have set up
monitoring mechanism and provided adequate resourses for
result-oriented approach,in time-bound manner have miserably failed to
achieve the (laudable) objective.Mere lip sympathy and narration of
worthless statistics are touted as achievements and lame duck excuses
are reiterated  to cover up for gross and unpardonable failure.
Petitions obtained from hundreds and thousands for effective
implementation of sec 4 of the Act(as also concomitant CIC circular)
would put constant pressure on the  Establishment,specially if bad
press for negligence could be managed for failure to attend to
Statatutory mandates/obligations.
We also need to think in terms of special issues of all important
print periodicals on implementation of RTI Act,2005.The media also
needs to be effectively roped in,in this noble venture.Og course
without any angle of publicity or internal wranglings amongst RTI
Groups/NGOs,as it might only weaken the common cause.
I have been repeatedly praying that our posts be confined only to
professional issues,using graceful language alone.We gain nothing in
short/long run in internal quiblings and in name-calling etc.The
respect of the movement itself is lost,or at least diminished that
way.
Requesting the esteemed members to comment upon the issues raised.
spm
IPS DGP retd
BE(Hons) MBA PhD
919841282324
PS By chance if any member has any RTI or non-RTI related issue(even
personal one) to be discussed with me seperately ,for whatever
reason,one could do so on 24*7 basis,without any hitch,as in 40 years
of self-less public service I've had privilege and honour to provide
succour to innumerable people


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On 12/15/10, K N Jagadesh kumar <jkgroup999@gmail.com> wrote:
> i completly agree with you, but how to start?
> K N Jagadesh kumar
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM, RTI AP <rtiap2005@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mr.M.K.Gupta,
>>
>> I would like to share similar incidence to make
>> you understand sensitivity in the governance. As convener of election
>> watch
>> A.P,and National coordinator Citizen for Verifiability, transparency and
>> accountability(VETA), after 2009 election watch A.P in July, I have filed
>> a PILL in supreme court questioning the accountability of EVMs in the
>> elections *in response to my** RTI application with election
>> commission(E.C)*. After getting a positive order in supreme court from
>> K.G.Balakrishnan,directing me and the team supporting the cause to get
>> clarification with the E.C,today it has became a national debate after one
>> and half years of fight and we are yet to get the answers.
>>                            In between we were humiliated several times by
>> the Election commission, before we could establish the fact.Along with a
>> research paper and a video recording of how our team exposed
>> the possibilities of EVM from E.C are getting tampered are displayed it in
>> our website www.indianevm.com.While our team is acting like a whistle
>> blower
>> to make the EVM tamper proof, instead of appreciating our efforts
>> E.C/police  took us to the task by filing criminal cases on our technical
>> experts on theft case of EVM from Bombay storage and arrested , where as
>> internationally reputed electronic society in US gave award in
>> appreciation
>> of the efforts made in the largest democracy to make the EVM accountable.
>>  To day whole nation along with the E.C realized the impotence of the
>> issues we raised on EVMs for a free and fare elections. Know E.C is forced
>> to take up the issue after conducting an all party meet and inviting
>> suggestions to add a paper trail to the existing EVM.
>>
>>                              *I feel this is how the systems in India are
>> working with lot of non democratic attitudes,I thing we are fighting with
>> this type of attitudes to get reforms in electoral processes first and
>> secondly with  the real issue of EVMs accountability.*This is how we have
>> taken more than one and half year time to sensitize the election
>> commission
>> to accept them to take up the subject on EVMs. When you look in to the
>> whole
>> story of how few activists from the different fields including
>> professionals from civil
>> society, technical experts, psephologist,legal experts, politicians and
>> from several other fields along with the NRIs international reputed
>> technical experts and approaching the E.C with lot of correspondence on
>> one
>> side and *facing the acid tests from the E.C/police, by getting arrest of
>> Hari Prasad in Bombay (our technical expert) and our counter parts as
>> international experts supporting the cause Prof. Alex from U.S and Mrs
>> Rope
>> from Germany getting detention at the Delhi airport for 18 hours, where in
>> several investigating agencies like RAW,SEBI, Interpol have interrogated
>> us,
>> all our phones where taped for several months*.Later they realized and now
>> inviting us to give suggestions to improvise the systems. On my repeated
>> questioning about the security measures and records maintained by the
>> E.C,they failed to give me the information but last week news came in the
>> media about missing of four thousand EVMs in A.P, so far no one is
>> arrested
>> why? How do you believe the elections in A.P are free and fare?
>>                                In addition to this, today all the
>> political parties including the ruling parties raised this issue both in
>> the parliament and with E.C.This it self shows the existing
>> non sensitive nature of the systems in this country.While
>> in Germany,Holland, Ireland and few other countries they have banned the
>> use of EVMs after getting simple resistance from the activists .In India
>> we
>> are yet to fight with the real issue on EVMs as we got an invitation from
>> the E.C to give suggestions on 23rd Dec ,weather to go by paper trail to
>> EVM
>> or to go by paper ballot.Hope we are nearing to achieve our goal of making
>> the electoral system fool proof.
>>
>> WHY I AM TRYING TO SAY ALL THIS TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NON
>> SENSITIVITY IN THE SYSTEMS,so to over come this we need to fight with
>> understanding, commitment, proper planning and sharing of
>> experiences.*Please
>> find my article in **wall-street journal on  "RTI activists under
>> threat"attached.After seeing few cases of attacks on RTI activists in A.P&
>> across the country,what I understand is there are few people in the name
>> of
>> RTI activists instead of contributing to correct the systems they are
>> vectiuos in asking information and few others trying to settle down the
>> scores,by asking irrelevant and unreasonable questions with  the PIOs.We
>> should understand that PIOs are not the ultimate culprits in this
>> existing corrupt  systems in public authorities, there are several factors
>> which are influencing non availability of information and reasons for
>> these attacks on RTI activists should be analysed in depth. Try
>> to strengthen all those areas in the public authorities to provide
>> information readily to an RTI applicant first. Once again  I suggest you
>> to
>> concentrate on sec 41b updating of records which ultimately solve several
>> RTI issues.*
>> *
>> *
>> *What do you do with the list? It would only scare activist like
>> Rajeshwar. In  military services only success stories of some solders
>> would be taken as inspiration to motivate beginners entering in to the
>> field, but not of every solder who died in the war.Hope you take
>> it positively.*
>>
>> V.V.RAO
>> National coordinator VETA
>> 09849064309
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>
>>>  After raking a sensitive issue, Mr Rajeshwar goes into hibernation for
>>> many days. This is being dealt with insensitivity and casually by Mr.
>>> Rao.
>>> He should either disclose the list or admit that no such list is in his
>>> possession.
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* RTI AP <rtiap2005@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Tue, 14 December, 2010 8:45:08 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> Its good to see you all giving your reactions on implementation of RTI.
>>> As
>>> a convener of a active Civil society organisation Social audit council on
>>> information Right (SACIR)  from Hyderabad, A.P at the national level I
>>> would
>>> be happy to share my view .After conducting independent RTI
>>> implementation
>>> review meetings for the past five years  with several organisations from
>>> the
>>> village level up to the city level and with all stake holders of RTI
>>> act, particularly by organizing two mass awareness campaigns at the state
>>> level in all districts of A.P, I feel every activist should concentrate
>>> on
>>> up dating the records under section 41(b) of RTI act in every public
>>> authority.
>>>                            Section 41b is the heart of the RTI act2005
>>> which will up date the information with insides of every public authority
>>> and readily kept open to all.If it is achieved, the reason for our agony
>>> being non accountability and corruption in governance at different
>>> levels can be addressed. Let us prepare our selves to strengthen the
>>> systems
>>> so as to get good governance.Let us start at some point to make success
>>> stories by filing applications questioning whether public authorities
>>> are maintaining the 17 manual columns under  the section 41b.With out
>>> putting first step we can not travel a long way to achieve our goals.So
>>> let
>>> us all start the campaign from individual level by filing applications
>>> asking about section 41b.
>>>                            AP information commission have successfully
>>> produced four annual reports so far which is possible with the efforts
>>> from civil society activists working for the last five
>>> years constantly.Unless you ask nothing is available.
>>>
>>> V.V.RAO
>>> Convener SACIR
>>> 09849064309
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:08 PM, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Dear Rajeswar
>>>> I requested to share the list with me.
>>>> If it is true that why you do not want to share it
>>>>
>>>> *Bimal Khemani*
>>>> *RTI activist*
>>>> *ALIGARH-202001*
>>>> *INDIA*
>>>> *Mob:935-972-4625*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sun, 12/12/10, Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement
>>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Sunday, 12 December, 2010, 10:06 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Many on this or other forums have sought this info. Please post it to
>>>> these groups or to me on my personal id.
>>>>
>>>> regards n bw
>>>>
>>>> ravi
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, young cyber indians <
>>>> cyberyouth@tightmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cyberyouth@tightmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends
>>>>
>>>> Many of National RTI Forum working committee members are on list of
>>>> suspected maoist / terrorist affiliated RTI activists whose phone and
>>>> internet were tapped which was obtained by AID under RTI. If any
>>>> member wants the list of such persons they can send me email.
>>>>
>>>> K Rajeshwar Rao.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Sarbajit Roy
>>>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Dear Mr. Varkey
>>>> >
>>>> > Your answer is quite evidently contained within your question. So who
>>>> > am I to disagree with the view of any Hon'ble Court?
>>>> >
>>>> > On a larger note, there are many unanswered questions about the
>>>> bonafides
>>>> > of these 2 Thakurs and the self-serving NGOs they have set up. for
>>>> instance
>>>> > the so-called nationl RTI forum is set up as a trust with only
>>>> themselves as
>>>> > Trustees. The office-bearers are packed with persons belonging to
>>>> certain
>>>> > communities etc etc.. There are many unanswered questions about
>>>> > Dr Nutan Thakur circulated on other RTI groups which she had failed to
>>>> > answer comprehensively.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>> >
>>>> > On 12/9/10, Baby Varkey
>>>> > <babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On another RTI group an IPS officer (Amitav Thakur) and his wife from
>>>> >> National RTI forum have  written that Lucknow High Court has
>>>> >> dismissed
>>>> their
>>>> >> writ petition seeking an enquiry into corrupt judges of UP which
>>>> Hon'ble
>>>> >> Supreme Court had commented adversely upon. It appears that
>>>> >> Hon'ble Lucknow bench characterised the petitioner Nutan Thakur as
>>>> cheap
>>>> >> publicity seekers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your valued comments please
>>>> >>
>>>> >> B. Varkey (Adv.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
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