| What is the logic to put over four years old order now? The IC has not ordered to give the salary of PIO the appellant. The concluding para mentioned below is self-speaking: 10. The Commission also orders that the complainant, Shri Kumar Avikal Manu, should be paid adequate compensation, which should be equal to the amount of the salary and allowances already paid to the third and last appointee in the group of four physically handicapped candidates, who were offered the job on the basis of UPSC recommendation. The complainant being the 4th person who has, however, been denied the prestigious offer vide letter no.13015/1/2005- AIS(1) dated December 21, 2006, communicating that he could not be appointed for want of the vacancy in any Govt. Department. The total amount thus payable to the complainant should be determined on the basis of the date of joining of the third and last candidate in the physically handicapped category till December 21, 2006, the date of DoPT's order of denial of his dream job, as an IAS officer. The entire amount thus calculated should be paid to him in one installment by way of demand draft in favour of the appellant, Shri Kumar Avikal Manu, before March 31, 2007, failing which penal interest @ 10% per annum on the total payable amount would be applicable. --- On Sun, 10/7/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
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Saturday, July 9, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Interesting order
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
Dear Dr Sharma
There is no point in our reinventing a wheel. All the procedures are explicitly contained in the 2 codes you mentioned. But just to summarise.
Section 39 CrPC lists all the IPC offences which the public is bound to give information on to the nearest police officer. The onus of proof to show that the offence was reported lies on the citizen.
http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/CrPc/s39.htm
I have nothing else to say.
Sarbajit
There is no point in our reinventing a wheel. All the procedures are explicitly contained in the 2 codes you mentioned. But just to summarise.
Section 39 CrPC lists all the IPC offences which the public is bound to give information on to the nearest police officer. The onus of proof to show that the offence was reported lies on the citizen.
http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/CrPc/s39.htm
I have nothing else to say.
Sarbajit
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Dr.V.N. Sharma <vnsh44@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit & Dipak Well informed gentlemen),
This one liner is meaningless. Discussion forums are not for such one
liners pl. Pl. cough up some method/ work procedure which will
properly handle and implement the IPC & CrPC. And also how 75% of the
problems in India will be solved by properly implementing it. These
will be eye openers.
vns
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
Dear All,
Please let me start with my own case. Wherein fraud in accounts made by Company's directors in accounts embezelled by Directors taking amount by way of dividend , illegally against the provisions of the Companies Act. !!!!!
I have filed complaint in criminal court for more than 2 years. Every time Adjournment only! No notice served to Directors nor any enquiry through court by police in the matter!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have filed complaint in criminal court for more than 2 years. Every time Adjournment only! No notice served to Directors nor any enquiry through court by police in the matter!!!!!!!!!!!!
God save our country.
From: Dr.V.N. Sharma <vnsh44@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
Dear Sarabjit & Dipak Well informed gentlemen),
This one liner is meaningless. Discussion forums are not for such one
liners pl. Pl. cough up some method/ work procedure which will
properly handle and implement the IPC & CrPC. And also how 75% of the
problems in India will be solved by properly implementing it. These
will be eye openers.
vns
On 8 जुला, 21:57, Dipak Shah <djshah1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is not being properly handled and implemented .
> C A Shah D J
> USA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2011 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
>
> Dear (misinformed) Friend
>
> The Indian Penal Code is one of the best Laws bestowed on India.
>
> If properly implemented it contains the answers / solutions to at least 75% of India's problems.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> 2011/7/8 डा वी एन शर्मा <vns...@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Friends,I am in receipt of the following 3 comments in a message with some detailed stories.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >The comments are "(1) people who expose the mafia will be clamped down upon with court suits, (2) what educational mafia is upto and (3) see what privatisation of education is leading to......
> >In my view IPC and CrPC are in the core of all the problems faced in the system of democratic governance of this country and I am surprised why much more intelligent and elderly people than me did not attempt to get these laws repealed already. The laws still exist today in the same letter and spirit as the Britishers framed them for success of their Raj by punishing the Indian people. They were not democrats and were not required to be that for administering a Colony. Hence the toughest of laws against the Indians were the need of the hour for them. Our present Rulers are no different from the Britishers. After all A Ruler is a Ruler-White, grey or black is the colour of the skin , not the color of right to Rule.
>
> >And this is not true about Education or Health or corruption or black money etc. One takes one step and if that one step does not suit the Rulers one is behind bars for the unfounded charges of tresspassing the law in some manner or the other. One should not be surprised if he goes behind bars with broken ribs, hands or legs etc or he may reach the other world straight away like many good and well eaning people have been sent. A Jharkhand court has recently ordered death to awell known innocent cultural activist named "Jeetan marandi" who has nothing to do with the crime committed by somebody of the same name. Similar is the case with others too.
>
> >In my view a movement is required to repeal the IPC and Cr PC and replace them by an appropriate law for proper Rule of Law.
>
> >
> >--
> >डा वी एन शर्मा / Dr.V.N.Sharma
> >Cell No.9431102680,
> >Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE),
> >Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad &
> >Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY)
[HumJanenge] Interesting order
Please find an interesting order of the CIC in which PA was ordered to
pay salary to the appellant.
pay salary to the appellant.
--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181
[HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
Dear Sarabjit & Dipak Well informed gentlemen),
This one liner is meaningless. Discussion forums are not for such one
liners pl. Pl. cough up some method/ work procedure which will
properly handle and implement the IPC & CrPC. And also how 75% of the
problems in India will be solved by properly implementing it. These
will be eye openers.
vns
On 8 जुला, 21:57, Dipak Shah <djshah1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is not being properly handled and implemented .
> C A Shah D J
> USA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2011 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Why IPC and CrPC should not exist in Free India
>
> Dear (misinformed) Friend
>
> The Indian Penal Code is one of the best Laws bestowed on India.
>
> If properly implemented it contains the answers / solutions to at least 75% of India's problems.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> 2011/7/8 डा वी एन शर्मा <vns...@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Friends,I am in receipt of the following 3 comments in a message with some detailed stories.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >The comments are "(1) people who expose the mafia will be clamped down upon with court suits, (2) what educational mafia is upto and (3) see what privatisation of education is leading to......
> >In my view IPC and CrPC are in the core of all the problems faced in the system of democratic governance of this country and I am surprised why much more intelligent and elderly people than me did not attempt to get these laws repealed already. The laws still exist today in the same letter and spirit as the Britishers framed them for success of their Raj by punishing the Indian people. They were not democrats and were not required to be that for administering a Colony. Hence the toughest of laws against the Indians were the need of the hour for them. Our present Rulers are no different from the Britishers. After all A Ruler is a Ruler-White, grey or black is the colour of the skin , not the color of right to Rule.
>
> >And this is not true about Education or Health or corruption or black money etc. One takes one step and if that one step does not suit the Rulers one is behind bars for the unfounded charges of tresspassing the law in some manner or the other. One should not be surprised if he goes behind bars with broken ribs, hands or legs etc or he may reach the other world straight away like many good and well eaning people have been sent. A Jharkhand court has recently ordered death to awell known innocent cultural activist named "Jeetan marandi" who has nothing to do with the crime committed by somebody of the same name. Similar is the case with others too.
>
> >In my view a movement is required to repeal the IPC and Cr PC and replace them by an appropriate law for proper Rule of Law.
>
> >
> >--
> >डा वी एन शर्मा / Dr.V.N.Sharma
> >Cell No.9431102680,
> >Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE),
> >Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad &
> >Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY)
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Sir
The citizens of this country are deeply concerned about incidents like these which seem to indicate a great rot (or at least a few rotten apples) within the Armed Forces.
With virtually every institution in the country (Parliament, Executive, Higher Judiciary, Press/Media) having proved itself to be corripletely / utterly corrupt, the last bulwark -
the Armed Forces are also sending out very distressing signals that they are equally affected by this national problem (indiscipline / lack of commitment to national unity /
personal gain over public interest, poor calibre people in crucial positions etc etc) and the scams in the Armed Forces are equally large and involve officers in a nexus with MoD babus and local politicians.
Plus recent stray cases involving women officers like say Capt Poonam Kaur's, Major Dimple Singla's have given Pakistan a great opportunity to portray Indian Army officers as a bunch of corrupt drunkards and leches etc.
In this light, Indian citizens on this group are consideravbly worried about state / fate of the nation and its armed forces, and our capacity to defend itself against powerful enemies.like China or take war to the enemy's camps etc.
Sarbajit
The citizens of this country are deeply concerned about incidents like these which seem to indicate a great rot (or at least a few rotten apples) within the Armed Forces.
With virtually every institution in the country (Parliament, Executive, Higher Judiciary, Press/Media) having proved itself to be corripletely / utterly corrupt, the last bulwark -
the Armed Forces are also sending out very distressing signals that they are equally affected by this national problem (indiscipline / lack of commitment to national unity /
personal gain over public interest, poor calibre people in crucial positions etc etc) and the scams in the Armed Forces are equally large and involve officers in a nexus with MoD babus and local politicians.
Plus recent stray cases involving women officers like say Capt Poonam Kaur's, Major Dimple Singla's have given Pakistan a great opportunity to portray Indian Army officers as a bunch of corrupt drunkards and leches etc.
In this light, Indian citizens on this group are consideravbly worried about state / fate of the nation and its armed forces, and our capacity to defend itself against powerful enemies.like China or take war to the enemy's camps etc.
Sarbajit
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com> wrote:
NSP or non standard weapons are allotted to officers. After World War
II, the US and British Army that fought in Burma and South East Asia
left thousands of .30 Springfield rifles and .30 Winchester carbines.
These were semi automatic weapons.They were occupying a lot of storage
space in the Ordnance Depot at Jabapur so a decsion was taken to
dispose them off to officers, on payment. Till the sixties or
seventies, there was not much problem in getting a licence for a semi
automatic weapon. With the rise in terrorism, the Government made the
rules very strict. Now, only the Home Secretary can issue such
licences.
Earlier, 303 was a prohibited bore for rifles,and 38 for revolvers,
as they were used by the Army and Police. Later, with the Army
changing over to 7.62 mm for rifles and 9 mm for pistols, these have
also been added to the prohibited list. According to the regulations
for the Army, an Army officer can possess one pistol/revolver without
a licence as long as he is in service. As soon as he retires, he must
take a licence. Most officers pass on the weapon to another serving
officer as a gift, who may be close relative. As regards NSP weapons,
the rules are clear. One can keep it as long as he wants. When not
needed, these should be returned to Ordnance. One can also transfer it
to another service officer, who is authorised to possess such a
weapon, after taking permission. Selling it for a profit is against
the rules.
I think the Army is not the only one where this is prevalent. Almost
every senior IAS and IPS officer has a weapon purchased from the
Malkhana, where arms confiscated from dacoits, terrorists etc are
kept. Often, politicians too get such weapons allotted. Another source
is the customs warehouse where confiscated weapons are stored.
Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)
On 9 July 2011 21:24, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wg Cdr Karnik (and other veterans)
>
> Some of us (civilians) would like / appreciate your valued opinion on what
> causes today's generation of officers to yield to such temptations.
>
> Sarbajit
> (List Moderator)
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:15 PM, suresh karnik <sdkarnik35@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From Wg Cdr S.D Karnik
>> I am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot
>> Officer from COD Allahabad
>> when I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us
>> out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our
>> application withou applying any pressures etc.
>> I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody
>> even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs.
>> 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982
>> I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION.
>> I still have the weapon as
>> my personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my
>> person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.
>> I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.
>> Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C
>>
>
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
NSP or non standard weapons are allotted to officers. After World War
II, the US and British Army that fought in Burma and South East Asia
left thousands of .30 Springfield rifles and .30 Winchester carbines.
These were semi automatic weapons.They were occupying a lot of storage
space in the Ordnance Depot at Jabapur so a decsion was taken to
dispose them off to officers, on payment. Till the sixties or
seventies, there was not much problem in getting a licence for a semi
automatic weapon. With the rise in terrorism, the Government made the
rules very strict. Now, only the Home Secretary can issue such
licences.
II, the US and British Army that fought in Burma and South East Asia
left thousands of .30 Springfield rifles and .30 Winchester carbines.
These were semi automatic weapons.They were occupying a lot of storage
space in the Ordnance Depot at Jabapur so a decsion was taken to
dispose them off to officers, on payment. Till the sixties or
seventies, there was not much problem in getting a licence for a semi
automatic weapon. With the rise in terrorism, the Government made the
rules very strict. Now, only the Home Secretary can issue such
licences.
Earlier, 303 was a prohibited bore for rifles,and 38 for revolvers,
as they were used by the Army and Police. Later, with the Army
changing over to 7.62 mm for rifles and 9 mm for pistols, these have
also been added to the prohibited list. According to the regulations
for the Army, an Army officer can possess one pistol/revolver without
a licence as long as he is in service. As soon as he retires, he must
take a licence. Most officers pass on the weapon to another serving
officer as a gift, who may be close relative. As regards NSP weapons,
the rules are clear. One can keep it as long as he wants. When not
needed, these should be returned to Ordnance. One can also transfer it
to another service officer, who is authorised to possess such a
weapon, after taking permission. Selling it for a profit is against
the rules.
I think the Army is not the only one where this is prevalent. Almost
every senior IAS and IPS officer has a weapon purchased from the
Malkhana, where arms confiscated from dacoits, terrorists etc are
kept. Often, politicians too get such weapons allotted. Another source
is the customs warehouse where confiscated weapons are stored.
Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)
On 9 July 2011 21:24, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wg Cdr Karnik (and other veterans)
>
> Some of us (civilians) would like / appreciate your valued opinion on what
> causes today's generation of officers to yield to such temptations.
>
> Sarbajit
> (List Moderator)
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:15 PM, suresh karnik <sdkarnik35@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From Wg Cdr S.D Karnik
>> I am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot
>> Officer from COD Allahabad
>> when I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us
>> out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our
>> application withou applying any pressures etc.
>> I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody
>> even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs.
>> 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982
>> I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION.
>> I still have the weapon as
>> my personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my
>> person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.
>> I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.
>> Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C
>>
>
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Fwd: [samukhya] Letter to the Governor, Orissa
Dear Pradip
Whoever has written this complaint needs to be reeducated on meaning of 17(1) and 17(4).
The Governor's Sectt is not a populated by fools.
Sarbajit
Whoever has written this complaint needs to be reeducated on meaning of 17(1) and 17(4).
The Governor's Sectt is not a populated by fools.
Sarbajit
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Pradip Pradhan <pradippradhan63@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: pravat sancharr <pravatsancharr@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM
Subject: [samukhya] Letter to the Governor, Orissa
To: samukhya <samukhya@yahoogroups.com>
Dear Friends Please find the scanned copy of letter sent to Governor of Orissa.regardsKunja Bihari PatraDaspalla, Nayagarh, Odisha__._,_.___![Yahoo! Groups]()
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Dear Wg Cdr Karnik (and other veterans)
Some of us (civilians) would like / appreciate your valued opinion on what causes today's generation of officers to yield to such temptations.
Sarbajit
(List Moderator)
Some of us (civilians) would like / appreciate your valued opinion on what causes today's generation of officers to yield to such temptations.
Sarbajit
(List Moderator)
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:15 PM, suresh karnik <sdkarnik35@gmail.com> wrote:
From Wg Cdr S.D KarnikI am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot Officer from COD Allahabadwhen I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our application withou applying any pressures etc.I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs. 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION. I still have the weapon asmy personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Hello Col Mathur, The weapon can be returned to Ord or it can be sold to another person authorised to get a NSP weapon from Ord. Please write to ADG OS (Armt), Dte Gen of Ord Services, MGO's Branch, Army HQ, 'B' Block, DHQ PO, New Delhi - 110 011 giving full details of the weapon, the Ord Depot from where it was issued, the allotment No. & date and your present address. Either seek direction for depositing the weapon at the nearest Ord unit or intimate the full details of the prospective buyer & seek approval for this sale. Most probably he will send you the relevant proformas for filling up before such disposal. Regards. Maj Gen Subhash Gogna, AVSM --- On Fri, 8/7/11, upendra mathur <upmathur@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Great
We have reached a state when being correct has to be reported !
----- Original Message -----From: suresh karnikSent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:15 PMSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etcFrom Wg Cdr S.D KarnikI am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot Officer from COD Allahabadwhen I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our application withou applying any pressures etc.I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs. 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION. I still have the weapon asmy personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,COn Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
This type of illegality is not restricted only to the Army. Politicians in various States regularly usurp weapons confiscated from "terrorists".Here is one such example from Punjab - revealed through RTI:Interesting to note that even the (then) Punjab State Chief Information Commissioner had a 0.32 bore revolver and so did his son ! Maybe he was too scared of RTI applicants (LOL).RTIwanted
From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
This unfair practice of obtaining NSP weapons by using influence/ incentives and later selling it at highly inflated price to the highest bidder has been going on for more than forty years. If disciplinary action is proposed, then a thorough investigation needs to be made and all concerned irrespective of Rank and position need to be brought under its ambit.The figure may run into thousands and will be an eye opener on the extent of the malpractises and the rot that has been allowed to set in by our senior officers who seem to be escaping the so called exemplary action.I know of atleast one Brigade Commander who was instrumental in allotment,collection and delivery of a weapon to the Collector of the district.Another young captain who had his roots in Delhi and had good links in the Army HQ managed to get more than one weapon and disposed it off soon after allotment.Needless to say my application for either a pistol or a gun never materialised.It is high time that exemplary action begins with the High and Mighty ,the icons of Integrity and exemplary characterCol JP Sharma (Retd)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:30 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Court-martial-likely-against-27-serving-Army-officers/articleshow/9131270.cms
"Court martial likely against 27 serving Army officers"
NEW DELHI: In an unprecedented move, the Army is on the verge of
ordering stringent action, in all probability general court martial,
against 27 officers for illegally selling off weapons procured for
their personal use. It is for the first time in the Army's history
that so many serving officers, in this case lieutenant colonels and
colonels, are facing such serious action.
But WHAT ABOUT THE 2 former Lieut Generals who committed the identical
offence ??
On Jul 6, 10:38 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) and/or EGOM is to examine whether
> the Armed Forces should be brought under ambit of LokPal Act or taken out of
> RTI Act u/s 24 like the CBI (there is now a strong case considering Military
> Intelligence functions of the 3 service wings). This is in the context of a
> note to the PM circulated by some Chief Justices which inter-alia refers to
> the inconsistency of applicability of RTI Act to our Armed Forces.whilst
> keeping armed forces out of Lokpal scrutiny.
> The need for amending / harmonising the various Armed Forces Acts.(Army Act,
> Navy Act etc) is also likely to be discussed.
>
> Views of our members with services background is requested.
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Moderator,
Please enquire from Diplomats -they also are in the habit of purchasing such machines duty free when posted abroad.
How many keep it after sometime on return to Home.
With kind regards A.K.BHATTACHARYYA
F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT
H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127
From: suresh karnik <sdkarnik35@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 1:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127
From: suresh karnik <sdkarnik35@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 1:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
From Wg Cdr S.D Karnik
I am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot Officer from COD Allahabad
when I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our application withou applying any pressures etc.
I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs. 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982
I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION. I still have the weapon as
my personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.
I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.
Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
This type of illegality is not restricted only to the Army. Politicians in various States regularly usurp weapons confiscated from "terrorists".Here is one such example from Punjab - revealed through RTI:http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2066-guns-terrorists-go-politicians-bureaucrats-punjab.htmlInteresting to note that even the (then) Punjab State Chief Information Commissioner had a 0.32 bore revolver and so did his son ! Maybe he was too scared of RTI applicants (LOL).RTIwanted
From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
This unfair practice of obtaining NSP weapons by using influence/ incentives and later selling it at highly inflated price to the highest bidder has been going on for more than forty years. If disciplinary action is proposed, then a thorough investigation needs to be made and all concerned irrespective of Rank and position need to be brought under its ambit.The figure may run into thousands and will be an eye opener on the extent of the malpractises and the rot that has been allowed to set in by our senior officers who seem to be escaping the so called exemplary action.I know of atleast one Brigade Commander who was instrumental in allotment,collection and delivery of a weapon to the Collector of the district.Another young captain who had his roots in Delhi and had good links in the Army HQ managed to get more than one weapon and disposed it off soon after allotment.Needless to say my application for either a pistol or a gun never materialised.It is high time that exemplary action begins with the High and Mighty ,the icons of Integrity and exemplary characterCol JP Sharma (Retd)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:30 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Court-martial-likely-against-27-serving-Army-officers/articleshow/9131270.cms
"Court martial likely against 27 serving Army officers"
NEW DELHI: In an unprecedented move, the Army is on the verge of
ordering stringent action, in all probability general court martial,
against 27 officers for illegally selling off weapons procured for
their personal use. It is for the first time in the Army's history
that so many serving officers, in this case lieutenant colonels and
colonels, are facing such serious action.
But WHAT ABOUT THE 2 former Lieut Generals who committed the identical
offence ??
On Jul 6, 10:38 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) and/or EGOM is to examine whether
> the Armed Forces should be brought under ambit of LokPal Act or taken out of
> RTI Act u/s 24 like the CBI (there is now a strong case considering Military
> Intelligence functions of the 3 service wings). This is in the context of a
> note to the PM circulated by some Chief Justices which inter-alia refers to
> the inconsistency of applicability of RTI Act to our Armed Forces.whilst
> keeping armed forces out of Lokpal scrutiny.
> The need for amending / harmonising the various Armed Forces Acts.(Army Act,
> Navy Act etc) is also likely to be discussed.
>
> Views of our members with services background is requested.
Re: [HumJanenge] Consumer Forum can not take cognizance of consumer complaint against BSNL? jurisdiction is barred?
Disputes concerning telephoe bills can be heard by consumer forums. My brother-in-law, DS Chohan, who lives in Jaipur, had a dispute with BSNL regarding his bill. It was heard by the District Forum, the State Commission and the National Commission. After the decsion went in his favour, BSNL went for arbitration. But since the dispute had already been decidedMr. DS Chohan refused to appear. Finally, the BSNL accepted the decision of the Consumer Commisssion and cancelled the bills.
Maj Gen VK Singh
On 7 July 2011 23:35, Awdhesh Kumar <jhajee9999@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
http://www.dot.gov.in/Acts/telegraphact.htm
7B. Arbitration of disputes � (1) Except as otherwise expressly provided in this Act, if any dispute concerning any telegraph line, appliance or apparatus arises between the telegraph authority and the person for whose benefit the line, appliance or apparatus is, or has been provided, the dispute shall be determined by arbitration and shall, for the purposes of such determination, be referred to an arbitrator appointed by the Central Government either specially for the determination of that dispute or generally for the determination of disputes under this section.
--- On Wed, 22/6/11, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Consumer Forum can not take cognizance of consumer complaint against BSNL? jurisdiction is barred?
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Date: Wednesday, 22 June, 2011, 6:51 PM
It is mensioned that Apex Court has ruled "there is special remedy provided under Section 7(b) of Indian Telegarph Act regarding he disputes in respect of telephone bills,"can somebody do some research and inform this forum - What is this rule (section)? and what is the procedure?From: rajneesh madhok <rajneesh_madhok@yahoo.com>
To: antibriberycampaign@yahoogroups.com; DailySouthAsian@yahoogroups.co.uk; eGovINDIA@yahoogroups.com; IHRO@yahoogroups.com; IHRO- <IHRO-@yahoogroups.com>; LoksattaUttarpradesh@yahoogroups.com; Praja-Vol@yahoogroups.com; rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com; Urvashiriti <urvashirti@yahoogroups.co.in>; humjanenge@googlegroups.com; RTI Empowerment Google Group <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>; "rti4empowerment@yahoogrouips.com" <rti4empowerment@yahoogrouips.com>; rti4ngo@yahoogroups.com; Karamyog <karmayog@yahoogroups.com>; adhikaar@yahoogroups.com; humanrightsactivist <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>; Issues Online Worldwide <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>; map_india@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Consumer Forum can not take cognizance of consumer complaint against BSNL? jurisdiction is barred?
- Date of Disposal 18/05/2011
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- Party's name Applicant/ Respondent: Complainat
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- Date of issue of duplicate copy---------
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[HumJanenge] Fwd: [samukhya] Letter to the Governor, Orissa
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Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM
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[HumJanenge] Fwd: [भारत-चिँतन:6029] press release by petitioners on salwa judum order
Dear Nandini Sundar ji,
Our congratulations to you and your team for getting this Order from SC. Pl. beware that SC on review appeal sometimes dilutes its tough posture taken in the beginning.
In reply to a friend of mine I wrote yesterday the following and circulated to various groups where your post is getting forwarded today. It may interest you.
In my view IPC and CrPC are in the core of all the problems faced in the system of democratic governance of this country and I am surprised why much more intelligent and elderly people than me did not attempt to get these laws repealed already. The laws still exist today in the same letter and spirit as the Britishers framed them for success of their Raj by punishing the Indian people. They were not democrats and were not required to be that for administering a Colony. Hence the toughest of laws against the Indians were the need of the hour for them. Our present Rulers are no different from the Britishers. After all A Ruler is a Ruler-White, grey or black is the colour of the skin , not the color of right to Rule.
--
And this is not true about Education or Health or corruption or black money etc. One takes one step and if that one step does not suit the Rulers one is behind bars for the unfounded charges of tresspassing the law in some manner or the other. One should not be surprised if he goes behind bars with broken ribs, hands or legs etc or he may reach the other world straight away like many good and well eaning people have been sent. A Jharkhand court has recently ordered death to awell known innocent cultural activist named "Jeetan marandi" who has nothing to do with the crime committed by somebody of the same name. Similar is the case with others too. No body should know these facts better than you.
In my view a movement is required to repeal the IPC and Cr PC and replace them by an appropriate law for proper Rule of Law.
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From: Nandini Sundar <nandinisundar@yahoo.com>
Date: 2011/7/8
Subject: [भारत-चिँतन:6029] press release by petitioners on salwa judum order
To: chhattisgarh-net@yahoogroups.com, bharat-chintan@googlegroups.com
Cc: forestrights <forestrights@yahoogroups.com>
From: Nandini Sundar <nandinisundar@yahoo.com>
Date: 2011/7/8
Subject: [भारत-चिँतन:6029] press release by petitioners on salwa judum order
To: chhattisgarh-net@yahoogroups.com, bharat-chintan@googlegroups.com
Cc: forestrights <forestrights@yahoogroups.com>
| Please help us by circulating as widely as possible esp. to press. Thanks PRESS RELEASE STATEMENT ON SUPREME COURT ORDER DATED 5.7.11 ON SALWA JUDUM/SPOs BY JUSTICE SUDERSHAN REDDY AND JUSTICE SS NIJJAR We warmly welcome the order by Justice Reddy and Justice Nijjar directing the State of Chhattisgarh to stop using SPOs in counterinsurgency operations, disarm them and stop supporting vigilante movements by any name. We also welcome the order to the Centre directing it to cease from financially supporting SPOs to engage in counterinsurgency. Judging from the personal reactions we have had – from a very wide variety of people many of whom we do not even know – the order has been widely hailed as a landmark restatement of constitutional values. If the state is to be recognised as legitimate it must act lawfully and cannot sacrifice the law and Constitution for immediate expediency. As the judges have so succinctly observed "the power of the people vested in any organ of the State, and its agents, can only be used for promotion of constitutional values and vision." However, judging by the reaction of the Home Ministry and the Chhattisgarh government, this basic constitutional principle is being willfully ignored. This simply reinforces the point that the judgement makes about the way in which the respondents are undermining the Constitution and thereby the basic human values enshrined in it. Instead of accepting the Court order for the sake of good governance and the national interest, they are talking about a review petition. Right from 2007 when the case was first heard before the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land has consistently maintained that the state cannot arm civilians. This, it is clear from the record, has been the considered opinion of not simply Justices Reddy and Nijjar, who issued the present order, but of the judges at previous hearings, such as Justice Balakrishnan, Justice Kapadia, and Justice Aftab Alam. That the SPOs and Salwa Judum have been engaged in horrific crimes is a matter of record. The judgement therefore directs the State of Chhattisgarh to "investigate all previously inappropriately or incompletely investigated instances of alleged criminal activities of Salwa Judum, or those popularly known as Koya Commandos, filing of appropriate FIRs and diligent prosecution." At the same time, the judgement is as much a lesson for the Maoists as for the government. It makes it clear that the Maoists too cannot take the law into their own lands. For when the Constitution does swing into action, it has the power of people's aspirations behind it, and is a far more powerful and credible weapon in their hands than the gun. As the judges say, "the fight against Maoist/Naxalite violence cannot be conducted purely as a mere law and order problem to be confronted by whatever means the State can muster. The primordial problem lies deep within the socio-economic policies pursued by the State on a society that was already endemically, and horrifically, suffering from gross inequalities. Consequently, the fight against Maoists/Naxalites is no less a fight for moral, constitutional and legal authority over the minds and hearts of our people. Our constitution provides the gridlines within which the State is to act, both to assert such authority, and also to initiate, nurture and sustain such authority." We therefore appeal to the Maoists to join all right thinking citizens in hailing this historic judgement and to desist from harming SPOs, or any other group of citizens in any way. They should be allowed to peacefully reintegrate into their villages. We also appeal to both the Maoists and the government to initiate peace talks on the basis of justice and constitutional principles, since ultimately that is the only way forward.
Nandini Sundar Ramachandra Guha EAS Sarma (Petitioners in WP 250/2007) |
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डा वी एन शर्मा / Dr.V.N.Sharma
Cell No.9431102680,
Cell No.9431102680,
Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE),
Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad &
Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY)
Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY)
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
From Wg Cdr S.D Karnik
I am proud to state/inform that I got a 32 Colt Pistol in 1956 as a Pilot Officer from COD Allahabad
when I alongwith my Squadronmates had applied for the same - only 2 of us out of the whole Squadron of 16 Fighter Pilots got allotment merely on our application withou applying any pressures etc.
I am indeed happy to inform that I still have the weapon in my custody even after retirment (with Police licence). In 1960 I was offered Rs. 50,000/- for sale. In 1968-69mI was offered Rs.One Lakh. In 1982
I was asked to name my price for sale. I DID NOT YIELD TO ANY TEMPTATION. I still have the weapon as
my personal weapon with an emotional attachment as I had it with me on my person during sorties on the offensive missions in 1971 war.
I am indeed sad to read the present happenings.
Wg Cdr Suresh Damodar Karnik Vr,C
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
This type of illegality is not restricted only to the Army. Politicians in various States regularly usurp weapons confiscated from "terrorists".Here is one such example from Punjab - revealed through RTI:Interesting to note that even the (then) Punjab State Chief Information Commissioner had a 0.32 bore revolver and so did his son ! Maybe he was too scared of RTI applicants (LOL).RTIwanted
From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
This unfair practice of obtaining NSP weapons by using influence/ incentives and later selling it at highly inflated price to the highest bidder has been going on for more than forty years. If disciplinary action is proposed, then a thorough investigation needs to be made and all concerned irrespective of Rank and position need to be brought under its ambit.The figure may run into thousands and will be an eye opener on the extent of the malpractises and the rot that has been allowed to set in by our senior officers who seem to be escaping the so called exemplary action.I know of atleast one Brigade Commander who was instrumental in allotment,collection and delivery of a weapon to the Collector of the district.Another young captain who had his roots in Delhi and had good links in the Army HQ managed to get more than one weapon and disposed it off soon after allotment.Needless to say my application for either a pistol or a gun never materialised.It is high time that exemplary action begins with the High and Mighty ,the icons of Integrity and exemplary characterCol JP Sharma (Retd)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:30 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Court-martial-likely-against-27-serving-Army-officers/articleshow/9131270.cms
"Court martial likely against 27 serving Army officers"
NEW DELHI: In an unprecedented move, the Army is on the verge of
ordering stringent action, in all probability general court martial,
against 27 officers for illegally selling off weapons procured for
their personal use. It is for the first time in the Army's history
that so many serving officers, in this case lieutenant colonels and
colonels, are facing such serious action.
But WHAT ABOUT THE 2 former Lieut Generals who committed the identical
offence ??
On Jul 6, 10:38 pm, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) and/or EGOM is to examine whether
> the Armed Forces should be brought under ambit of LokPal Act or taken out of
> RTI Act u/s 24 like the CBI (there is now a strong case considering Military
> Intelligence functions of the 3 service wings). This is in the context of a
> note to the PM circulated by some Chief Justices which inter-alia refers to
> the inconsistency of applicability of RTI Act to our Armed Forces.whilst
> keeping armed forces out of Lokpal scrutiny.
> The need for amending / harmonising the various Armed Forces Acts.(Army Act,
> Navy Act etc) is also likely to be discussed.
>
> Views of our members with services background is requested.
Friday, July 8, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces under Lokpal etc
Dear Col SS CHAUHAN,
How are you Sir, after a long time .
Hope you are seeing the mail in AFP07 also.
I too have applied for NSP but could not get it.
But now I know that i dont need one
as I have learnt the techniques which are powerful enough
making weapons redundant .
Want to learn it ?
Regards
Col TS kaundal
9873379995
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Col S S Chauhan <sardar.s.chauhan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
While the weapon was procured with some purpose and it
involved lot of efforts.Depositing it back with the source
from where it came is not there after the delivery with lic.
Notwithstanding this one is always allowed to deposit the
weapon with nearest Police Station for safe custody.The
Licncee can with draw it as and when required.It is free service.
With best wishes and kind regards
Col(veteran)S S Chauhan
0124-2218749,09350041734
--On 7/8/11, Raj Bansal <bansalraj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You have had the privilege of keeping a weapon while in service. Now that
> you have retired, I would suggest that the weapon be deposited back with
> DGOS and be at peace. Let some other officer enjoy the pleasure! The
> implication of a weapon falling in wrong hands could be disastrous.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Brig R K Bansal.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --- On Fri, 7/8/11, upendra mathur <upmathur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: upendra mathur <upmathur@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CCS to discuss including Indian Armed Forces
> under Lokpal etc
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 9:17 PM
>
> Hello,
> I was not so unlucky and got one pistol without using any influence before I
> retired. Can some knowledgeable person inform what is the process if I want
> to dispose off at some point of time when it will not be safe to keep it
> with old age and non acceptability for depositing in an army kot.
> U P Mathur
>
>
>
Thanks and Regards
Col.S.S.Chauhan
9350041734
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