Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement

thanks dear mathur
Regards
Dr. JN Sharma

On 12/15/10, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
> In every corner of the country,RTI Activists nrrd to take a copy of
> CIC circular and seek from the HODs/PIOs reasons for not compling with
> the CIC directives and seek most immediate action,in letterand
> spirit.
> Specifically the response must cover lack of
> technology/procedures/trained personnel/budgetry
> allocation/leadership/time resourse.
> There's adequate response,infact available for all the factors to
> counter the lethargy/will power.
> Shockingly the Central/State Government who MUST have set up
> monitoring mechanism and provided adequate resourses for
> result-oriented approach,in time-bound manner have miserably failed to
> achieve the (laudable) objective.Mere lip sympathy and narration of
> worthless statistics are touted as achievements and lame duck excuses
> are reiterated to cover up for gross and unpardonable failure.
> Petitions obtained from hundreds and thousands for effective
> implementation of sec 4 of the Act(as also concomitant CIC circular)
> would put constant pressure on the Establishment,specially if bad
> press for negligence could be managed for failure to attend to
> Statatutory mandates/obligations.
> We also need to think in terms of special issues of all important
> print periodicals on implementation of RTI Act,2005.The media also
> needs to be effectively roped in,in this noble venture.Og course
> without any angle of publicity or internal wranglings amongst RTI
> Groups/NGOs,as it might only weaken the common cause.
> I have been repeatedly praying that our posts be confined only to
> professional issues,using graceful language alone.We gain nothing in
> short/long run in internal quiblings and in name-calling etc.The
> respect of the movement itself is lost,or at least diminished that
> way.
> Requesting the esteemed members to comment upon the issues raised.
> spm
> IPS DGP retd
> BE(Hons) MBA PhD
> 919841282324
> PS By chance if any member has any RTI or non-RTI related issue(even
> personal one) to be discussed with me seperately ,for whatever
> reason,one could do so on 24*7 basis,without any hitch,as in 40 years
> of self-less public service I've had privilege and honour to provide
> succour to innumerable people
>
>
> 0
>
> On 12/15/10, K N Jagadesh kumar <jkgroup999@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i completly agree with you, but how to start?
>> K N Jagadesh kumar
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM, RTI AP <rtiap2005@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr.M.K.Gupta,
>>>
>>> I would like to share similar incidence to make
>>> you understand sensitivity in the governance. As convener of election
>>> watch
>>> A.P,and National coordinator Citizen for Verifiability, transparency and
>>> accountability(VETA), after 2009 election watch A.P in July, I have filed
>>> a PILL in supreme court questioning the accountability of EVMs in the
>>> elections *in response to my** RTI application with election
>>> commission(E.C)*. After getting a positive order in supreme court from
>>> K.G.Balakrishnan,directing me and the team supporting the cause to get
>>> clarification with the E.C,today it has became a national debate after
>>> one
>>> and half years of fight and we are yet to get the answers.
>>> In between we were humiliated several times
>>> by
>>> the Election commission, before we could establish the fact.Along with a
>>> research paper and a video recording of how our team exposed
>>> the possibilities of EVM from E.C are getting tampered are displayed it
>>> in
>>> our website www.indianevm.com.While our team is acting like a whistle
>>> blower
>>> to make the EVM tamper proof, instead of appreciating our efforts
>>> E.C/police took us to the task by filing criminal cases on our technical
>>> experts on theft case of EVM from Bombay storage and arrested , where as
>>> internationally reputed electronic society in US gave award in
>>> appreciation
>>> of the efforts made in the largest democracy to make the EVM accountable.
>>> To day whole nation along with the E.C realized the impotence of the
>>> issues we raised on EVMs for a free and fare elections. Know E.C is
>>> forced
>>> to take up the issue after conducting an all party meet and inviting
>>> suggestions to add a paper trail to the existing EVM.
>>>
>>> *I feel this is how the systems in India
>>> are
>>> working with lot of non democratic attitudes,I thing we are fighting with
>>> this type of attitudes to get reforms in electoral processes first and
>>> secondly with the real issue of EVMs accountability.*This is how we have
>>> taken more than one and half year time to sensitize the election
>>> commission
>>> to accept them to take up the subject on EVMs. When you look in to the
>>> whole
>>> story of how few activists from the different fields including
>>> professionals from civil
>>> society, technical experts, psephologist,legal experts, politicians and
>>> from several other fields along with the NRIs international reputed
>>> technical experts and approaching the E.C with lot of correspondence on
>>> one
>>> side and *facing the acid tests from the E.C/police, by getting arrest of
>>> Hari Prasad in Bombay (our technical expert) and our counter parts as
>>> international experts supporting the cause Prof. Alex from U.S and Mrs
>>> Rope
>>> from Germany getting detention at the Delhi airport for 18 hours, where
>>> in
>>> several investigating agencies like RAW,SEBI, Interpol have interrogated
>>> us,
>>> all our phones where taped for several months*.Later they realized and
>>> now
>>> inviting us to give suggestions to improvise the systems. On my repeated
>>> questioning about the security measures and records maintained by the
>>> E.C,they failed to give me the information but last week news came in the
>>> media about missing of four thousand EVMs in A.P, so far no one is
>>> arrested
>>> why? How do you believe the elections in A.P are free and fare?
>>> In addition to this, today all the
>>> political parties including the ruling parties raised this issue both in
>>> the parliament and with E.C.This it self shows the existing
>>> non sensitive nature of the systems in this country.While
>>> in Germany,Holland, Ireland and few other countries they have banned the
>>> use of EVMs after getting simple resistance from the activists .In India
>>> we
>>> are yet to fight with the real issue on EVMs as we got an invitation from
>>> the E.C to give suggestions on 23rd Dec ,weather to go by paper trail to
>>> EVM
>>> or to go by paper ballot.Hope we are nearing to achieve our goal of
>>> making
>>> the electoral system fool proof.
>>>
>>> WHY I AM TRYING TO SAY ALL THIS TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NON
>>> SENSITIVITY IN THE SYSTEMS,so to over come this we need to fight with
>>> understanding, commitment, proper planning and sharing of
>>> experiences.*Please
>>> find my article in **wall-street journal on "RTI activists under
>>> threat"attached.After seeing few cases of attacks on RTI activists in
>>> A.P&
>>> across the country,what I understand is there are few people in the name
>>> of
>>> RTI activists instead of contributing to correct the systems they are
>>> vectiuos in asking information and few others trying to settle down the
>>> scores,by asking irrelevant and unreasonable questions with the PIOs.We
>>> should understand that PIOs are not the ultimate culprits in this
>>> existing corrupt systems in public authorities, there are several
>>> factors
>>> which are influencing non availability of information and reasons for
>>> these attacks on RTI activists should be analysed in depth. Try
>>> to strengthen all those areas in the public authorities to provide
>>> information readily to an RTI applicant first. Once again I suggest you
>>> to
>>> concentrate on sec 41b updating of records which ultimately solve several
>>> RTI issues.*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *What do you do with the list? It would only scare activist like
>>> Rajeshwar. In military services only success stories of some solders
>>> would be taken as inspiration to motivate beginners entering in to the
>>> field, but not of every solder who died in the war.Hope you take
>>> it positively.*
>>>
>>> V.V.RAO
>>> National coordinator VETA
>>> 09849064309
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM, M.K. Gupta
>>> <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>> After raking a sensitive issue, Mr Rajeshwar goes into hibernation for
>>>> many days. This is being dealt with insensitivity and casually by Mr.
>>>> Rao.
>>>> He should either disclose the list or admit that no such list is in his
>>>> possession.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* RTI AP <rtiap2005@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Sent:* Tue, 14 December, 2010 8:45:08 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Its good to see you all giving your reactions on implementation of RTI.
>>>> As
>>>> a convener of a active Civil society organisation Social audit council
>>>> on
>>>> information Right (SACIR) from Hyderabad, A.P at the national level I
>>>> would
>>>> be happy to share my view .After conducting independent RTI
>>>> implementation
>>>> review meetings for the past five years with several organisations from
>>>> the
>>>> village level up to the city level and with all stake holders of RTI
>>>> act, particularly by organizing two mass awareness campaigns at the
>>>> state
>>>> level in all districts of A.P, I feel every activist should concentrate
>>>> on
>>>> up dating the records under section 41(b) of RTI act in every public
>>>> authority.
>>>> Section 41b is the heart of the RTI act2005
>>>> which will up date the information with insides of every public
>>>> authority
>>>> and readily kept open to all.If it is achieved, the reason for our agony
>>>> being non accountability and corruption in governance at different
>>>> levels can be addressed. Let us prepare our selves to strengthen the
>>>> systems
>>>> so as to get good governance.Let us start at some point to make success
>>>> stories by filing applications questioning whether public authorities
>>>> are maintaining the 17 manual columns under the section 41b.With out
>>>> putting first step we can not travel a long way to achieve our goals.So
>>>> let
>>>> us all start the campaign from individual level by filing applications
>>>> asking about section 41b.
>>>> AP information commission have successfully
>>>> produced four annual reports so far which is possible with the efforts
>>>> from civil society activists working for the last five
>>>> years constantly.Unless you ask nothing is available.
>>>>
>>>> V.V.RAO
>>>> Convener SACIR
>>>> 09849064309
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:08 PM, bimal khemani
>>>> <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Rajeswar
>>>>> I requested to share the list with me.
>>>>> If it is true that why you do not want to share it
>>>>>
>>>>> *Bimal Khemani*
>>>>> *RTI activist*
>>>>> *ALIGARH-202001*
>>>>> *INDIA*
>>>>> *Mob:935-972-4625*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Sun, 12/12/10, Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Ravindran P M <pmravindran@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] UNITY and Unification in RTI movement
>>>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Date: Sunday, 12 December, 2010, 10:06 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many on this or other forums have sought this info. Please post it to
>>>>> these groups or to me on my personal id.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards n bw
>>>>>
>>>>> ravi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:48 PM, young cyber indians <
>>>>> cyberyouth@tightmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cyberyouth@tightmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Friends
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of National RTI Forum working committee members are on list of
>>>>> suspected maoist / terrorist affiliated RTI activists whose phone and
>>>>> internet were tapped which was obtained by AID under RTI. If any
>>>>> member wants the list of such persons they can send me email.
>>>>>
>>>>> K Rajeshwar Rao.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Sarbajit Roy
>>>>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Mr. Varkey
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Your answer is quite evidently contained within your question. So who
>>>>> > am I to disagree with the view of any Hon'ble Court?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On a larger note, there are many unanswered questions about the
>>>>> bonafides
>>>>> > of these 2 Thakurs and the self-serving NGOs they have set up. for
>>>>> instance
>>>>> > the so-called nationl RTI forum is set up as a trust with only
>>>>> themselves as
>>>>> > Trustees. The office-bearers are packed with persons belonging to
>>>>> certain
>>>>> > communities etc etc.. There are many unanswered questions about
>>>>> > Dr Nutan Thakur circulated on other RTI groups which she had failed
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > answer comprehensively.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 12/9/10, Baby Varkey
>>>>> > <babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=babyjohn.varkey@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On another RTI group an IPS officer (Amitav Thakur) and his wife
>>>>> >> from
>>>>> >> National RTI forum have written that Lucknow High Court has
>>>>> >> dismissed
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> writ petition seeking an enquiry into corrupt judges of UP which
>>>>> Hon'ble
>>>>> >> Supreme Court had commented adversely upon. It appears that
>>>>> >> Hon'ble Lucknow bench characterised the petitioner Nutan Thakur as
>>>>> cheap
>>>>> >> publicity seekers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Your valued comments please
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> B. Varkey (Adv.)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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>> --
>> K N Jagadesh Kumar
>> 9845500932
>> jkgroup999@gmail.com
>>
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