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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

I wish someone has the exact order and puts it out.  In Yogendra Yadav's case, there was a personal bond of Rs 5000. In effect, he signed an undertaking to pay, without actually paying it. 

I have faced this twice --in neither case did I have to pay anything. 

But yes, I agree with all those who said that Kejriwal made an idiot out of all journalists / activists who work hard to get facts and documents and do not write until we have them in hand. 

He also created an environment that his foolish allegations against media, community, individual politicians was great heroism, even when it wasn't backed with facts.  The worst example was Sheila Dixit where he brandished a 300 page document in a public meeting as being proof and then, as chief minister, admitted that he had no proof at all. He also hasn't uttered a word about her being elevated at Governor.  This is lies and fraudulent conduct -- not just hypocrisy. 

Finally, don't we expect our activists and politicians to show some grace? Has Kejriwal congratulated his opponent and conceded defeat as yet? Isn't it the done thing even in the most acrimonious political situations? The american presidential loser not only makes a statement putting the past behind but agrees to pledge himself to the cause of the country rather than continue with hostility against a person or party.  

No such thing with our brand new political party??

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On 24-May-2014, at 12:30 PM, vinod varshney <vinodvarshney@hotmail.com> wrote:

I read in newspapers that the said judge remarked that there was so much illiteracy
about laws and legal provisions... it means the other judges who in similar defamation cases 
did not require bond from Kejriwal, were illiterate.. painful to see all this activism..


Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 09:54:17 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

One could not have agreed more. There is obviously an avoidable state of affairs - which is unfortunately supported by legal statutes among police, lawyers and courts. To my mind this has to be changed. We do not need over 10000 Acts. All of us committing some offense on daily basis. Hope someone listens.
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RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

 Arvind should now do nothing else but fully expose Gadkari,  and get him punished by sending him to Thehar for at least 2 years + , if he wants his AAP to succeed. He should hand over the leadership of AAP   yogendra Yadav  and take this task of collecting credible evidence to nail Gadkari for ever . Arvind has so far accused a MINIMUM OF 8 CABINET MINISTERS, Salman Khurshid of appropriating some trust money, Modi  , and many more of corruption without taking any trouble to follow up .  While I agree that justice is delayed in India   , Arvind’s  first job is to convince the Supreme court to complete all pending cases of corruption in the first instance   as directed by the supreme court .( other criminal cases can wait. Corruption is an offence  that should be dealt with promptly and with capital punishment .Stealing the wealth of common man is as good as killing him ) He should also continue to fight for JAN LOK PAL BILL to be passed by MODI ( NOW ) . In the mean while Yogendra Yadav should concentrate on building his party all over India . All of us are keen to have clean politics . . If Arvind follows this path he need not bother about winning the election in 2019. He will be the next PM after Modi !!!  Failing to do this he will also go the Rahul way .

Finally the congress Party will have to find an honest and down to earth leader to head the GOP .They have to look for persons of the caliber of Kamaraj, JayaPrakash Narayan , Rajaji,   Sarda Patel ,   Abdul kalam,  Maulana Azad, and the like . If they continue to hang on to  this Family. They have no future.  Seshadri

 

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Dear friends,
So many discussion on the issue from so many corners...But please notice the following points;
1. If the Judiciary was wrong there is a scope to appeal in the higher court.
2. Intentionally going to jail may be for publicity purpose. After failing to enter LS from Varanasi it was a golden opportunity for Mr.AK to be on Idiot Box for another period .
3.Mr.AK and group are used to violate the system for their publicity and not for public cause. Foe instance if they were inclined to get Janalokapal Bill passed in the Delhi assembly, they should have followed the established constitutional norm. Their will and wish can not be the Law of the land. 
4. They should stop behaving like urban Maoist... taking law into their hands.
5. Mr.AK and Co are experts in taking U-turn many times...Such indecisive people can not run even any Panchayat . Better they should run their NGOs and stop befooling the public of India by using the platform of Annaji for their selfish power hunger 
 .
Ashok Kumar Panigrahi


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 7:59 PM, S L Rao <raosl@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr Nalapat talks of the "chilling effect" of Kejriwal's arrest. He would obviously condone the criminal defamation with no evidence by Kejriwal. I might think "prosperous politicians" must be investigated. I cannot go round defaming them and expect no consequences. If you do not like the  law, lobby to change it. If you do not like the judgment, go in appeal. Let us not waste sympathy on a confused and publicity-seeking pseudo "common man". SLRao

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On 24-May-2014, at 6:56 pm, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote:

The issue is that should he have been asked to enter a bond of surety or not. A bond of surety is filed to assure that court that the respondent will appear as and when required. If it was a political speech then it is unprecedented to ask for such a bond. I think they should appeal to the Court of appeal and get the matter clarified. In the mean time, Kejriwal's detention has been extended for another 14 days in a sweltering heat of the Tihar prison. Will this detention fetch him some political mileage which he so badly is seeking?  Devinder
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


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> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Yes Arvindji,agree 130"% 
You can fool ,some persons for all time,
All persons for some time.
But not all persons for all time..
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On May 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, arvind srinivas <arvindsavy@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Arvind Kejriwal is an anti establishment person. He is suffering from multiple personality disorder.  He himself overrules his decisions and begs with people, thinking they will help him. . .SORRY BOSS YOUR TACTICS NOW KNOWN AND OUTDATED.

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arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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Arvind Kejriwal is unprincipled. By denouncing the post of CM he has wasted public money and trust. henceforth he should not speak of serving people.
We as anti corruption movement strictly follow such principles.


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:38 AM, DR. AJAY PANT <drajay.pant@gmail.com> wrote:
the rule of law has to prevail and has to be accepted with due respect and humility. this is merely a publicity stunt meant to regain public sympathy and re-enter the electronic media which arvind kejriwal derided and accused to be hand in glove with other political parties.


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At the hearing of the defamation case filed by Nitin Gadkari against arvind Kejriwal, the Metropolitan Magistrate sent Arvind to police custody after Arvind refused bail. Arvind spent yesterday night at Tihar Jail. Arvind has refused bail on 4 previous occasions in the same case. He has given a written undertaking to the court assuring them of complying with all its directives, on all previous occasions. Yet today, the court ordered his arrest.
AAP is shocked at this verdict. Peaceful protestors outside Tihar were manhandled and forcibly removed. It is important to note that these protests are in solidarity with Arvind & the stand he has taken to expose corrupt people like Nitin Gadkari.
Complete proof of the allegations levied by AAP against Nitin Gadkari are available at (http://aamaadmiparty.org/documents-related-to-nitin-gadkari)
This is the time to stay united and help spread the right information about this incident amongst friends & family. This is about principles.
Arvind is in Tihar Jail. This is not a publicity stunt. He exposed some very powerful people and they will do everything to tarnish his image & reputation.
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[IAC#RG] Dr. Swamy petition on EVMs in Supreme Court

Any good businessman who bids for government tenders co-operates with rivals, one will give lowest bid, others will quote intelligently higher.

Next time, another one is lowest bid.

Similarly, political parties share opportunity to loot public money.

It is pre decided who wins.

The election process is simply a drama.

Think about it.


Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:

Where are all the cranks, paranoids and conspiracy theorists re: EVM rigging now that the 2014 elections are over? And, that includes you, too, Sarbajit - since you seemed to imply that rigging EVMs was fairly simple if you knew how.

Unless there is some grand theory I am missing here about how the Congress still wins by rigging the EVMs in favour of the BJP and reducing itself to 44 seats?

Thx

Supratim


On 9 August 2013 18:15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Supratim

Thanks for a very sound analysis of the case against EVM rigging.

Like all things MAGICAL which don't appear possible under the laws of physics and ordinary reality, its quite a simple trick really how this EVM rigging is carried out (once you know the secret).

And yes, having a paper trail as Swamy wants will very definitely cut off ONE of the ways in which EVMs are rigged.

As Mr S. Dosapati is associated with Dr Swamy in their EVM battle, I would first like him to PUBLICLY explain how rigging is done. (Hint. the key is why Dr Swamy swept one election and failed miserably in the next ones). It is also the reason why startups like Swarna Bharat Party will be similarly rammed.

Sarbajit


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen these conspiracy theories before, but I am compelled to comment here - given the otherwise seriousness of this group.

First, I support the creation of a paper trail, if that is feasible for the current EVMs - the paper trail has to identify the party/candidate voted for and not the number pressed - so that if there is a dispute, the audit trail can be used.

While we talk about paper ballots, we seem to have forgotten the mass scale booth capture and stuffing that used to go on before the EVMs.

Now, moving on to the EVMs - I am unable to understand how they can be manipulated at a large enough (statistically significant) level, given the current EVMs and the way they are operated, unless we are alleging a mass conspiracy of national and state level EC officers, workers and their reps?

Consider:

1. The EVM is essentially a sealed box, which has 16 buttons - these buttons do nothing but act as adding machines - every time you press one, the count increases by one.  This is a simplistic description, but essentially that is all it is - a box of 16 counters.

2. The hardware is directly embedded in the chip in the machine - the machine has no external ports to the best of my knowledge. So to hack the software or make it do different things from intended, you need to physically open up the machine, connect another box to the port on the board itself and then do your stuff. Hence, you need physical access to these machines to manipulate them, assuming that one can indeed manipulate a sealed hardware chip code (similar to the bios on your PC - have your ever tried updating that or flushing it?)

3. Even assuming that you get physical access to the machines, and program in a code that says every 4th vote will get transferred to the 5th counter - how do you ensure that the 5th counter represents your candidate or party? These "blank"+ boxes are dispatched from central locations to various booths. In each constituency, local officials "insert" the paper that "matches" a candidate to a particular button. Is this information centrally available? With whom? Can you get this information?

And, given the essentially random nature (based on my observations at polling booths) by which the top parties are allocated to the buttons, how do you ensure that your hacked box goes to the correct constituency? See the problem? Mass conspiracy and stupendous logistics is required.

4. Maybe that leaves manipulation post voting - how do you change the counts of these machines, without opening them? Remember no wireless connectivity. And, with all the parties' electoral reps present at the counting session.

5. Finally, how does the incumbent lose if he has access to the EVMs to manipulate them? Would CPM, that master of electoral gimmickry (even post EVMs) have lost to Trinanool? How about DMK to ADMK?

Maybe you can still game 1 or 5 or 10 constituencies (you could do that more easily in the past with paper ballots, in any case) - I don't know how, but let us say you can - but, then so what??? Can you game 100-125 constituencies? Only then can you game the LS elections.

Isn't it more likely that our disappointment with the voting results leads us to come up with conspiracy theories?

Cheers

Supratim







On 9 August 2013 11:12, Madhukar Thote <mythote@gmail.com> wrote:
A good article. EVM can be easily manipulated by changing the software which can be easily done. It is not clear why Election commission should have any objection. The best option is the voting paper. Advanced Countries normally use the voting paper.
M.Y. Thote 


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:20 PM, S K Jain <skjain84@gmail.com> wrote:
It is very much possible that firmware can be fixed. You press any button, vote will go to desired candidate. 

If you look at the credentials of persons who were responsible for fixing of the firmware (software embedded in hardware), you may find sudden jump in their career graph.


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Re: [IAC#RG] [Bulk] Re: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Finally Outlook pulls courage to publish a same argument on kejriwal's imprisonment. Take a look http://m.outlookindia.com/article.aspx/?290815&maneref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FEp3qoPxaSf



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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Vasant Ji, Please educate me, under what circumstances a defamation case should become a crime,  instead of being a tortious liability. Is Gadhkari seeking an apology or compensation or his arrest. The defamation case itself has not yet started when would Kejriwal would be required to produce his evidence based on which he made the defamatory statement.

 I do not know where you got the information that the jail is due to non attendance of the court. He duly attended along with his lawyer, Prashant Bhushan et el. . The judge asked him to sign a personal (bail)  bond for Rs10,000  which he refused. The judge very patiently explained to him everything about the procedure but he just refused. The Court then decided that he be detained in the Tihar Jail for two days. After two days, the question of the bond arose again and he again refused. This time the court decided on a longer detention period i.e. 14 days. Devinder
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Devinderji,
There can also be a criminal defamation case; but I think here the issue is quite different; How did the question of bail arise and he was asked to sign the bond? The bond was for getting him bail and has got nothing to do with the merits of the case.
Ofcourse all his thie drama is to get him some publicity as he finds that now-a-day he is being ignored by the media and his name does not appear on the first page.
 
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Vasant Ji, He was sent to jail initially for two days for not agreeing to file a surety bond for Rs.10,000.as he considered that the case should have been treated as political posturing rather than criminal defamation. Defamation is a civil suit and not a criminal offence. The court took a different view and sent him to prison instead. On the expiry of original period of two days in detention, he was approached again but he still refused so he is now going to spend another 14 days in police custody. The court has also suggested that he appeal against the courts action which I think he will have to do. to get out of the detention. 

The case will come up for hearing where he will have to provide evidence supporting his charge of dishonesty or apologise. In the meantime, he is hoping that there might be some political mileage to be gained by staying in prison and get public sympathy.   Devinder
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I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

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Sent: Friday, 23 May 2014 8:34 PM
Subject: [hc] Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!
 
I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


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> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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Re: [IAC#RG] [hc] Re: Fwd: Arvind Kejriwal in jail!

Under the colonial law continued by Nehru in India a citizen can be jailed very easily. The powers given to a magistrate are huge and were codified under the British. It is appalling that Kejriwal can be summoned by a court and jailed just for saying a politician was corrupt. To make a citizen run from court to court is so easy in India

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I think there is some misunderstanding; he was not jailed simply for calling a prosperous politician corrupt. The defamation case filed by Gadkari is yet to be heard and decided. He was jailed for not attending the court in spite of agreeing to be present.
 
V.S.Sardesai 

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I agree with Nalapat ji.  This is not about Arvind Kejriwal, this is about Indian democracy.   There is no reason to jail him for what he said.   In defamation against public persons, they can always call a press conference and refute it publicly.  That is the US law and I understand the same with Indian law.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:
It is unfortunate that the (colonial-era) laws are such that an
individual can get sent to jail simply for calling a prosperous
politician corrupt. Whatever one's views on Arvind Kejriwal,his
incarceration will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.The
Indian media,as is its won't,has chased the "lizard's tail" of Arvind
refusing to post a bail bond,while missing out on the "lizard" viz a
magistrate jailing an individual for what in more robust democracies
passes off as fair comment about political leaders

Madhav


On 5/22/14, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
> arvind kejriwal is a fraud

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