Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

 A scheme meant to eliminate corruption has partially failed due to corrupt citizens? Cash caught red handed and confiscated is only about 80 crores, (out of 4 lakh crore of notes released) which is only a tip of the iceberg. Most of the influential politicians/bureaucrats/traders/businessmen have already made their black money pink by Rs 2000 notes due to which now almost whole of the demonetised notes are expected to come back to the Banks. And we say scheme of implementation of demonetisation was well thought of !

R.N.Malhotra 
 

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From: Sangeeta Bhasin <sangeetabhasin@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

1) how is modi responsible if the bank managers and other indian citizens are corrupt?

2)  enough provision was nade to allow reasoable withdrawals by people in an austere scenario. if the entire operations were sabatoged by the bank and other people responsible for this, we should laud the response of the govt for having caught them redhanded  the delay in catching the culprits was because they needed to be caught redhanded not giving the opposition any chance to again make noise.

3) how deep the cancer of corruotion has spread makes it even more important that we support the efforts for our better future.

Sangeetabhasin
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On 14 Dec 2016 8:52 p.m., "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.

Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.

And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.

Joya Roy

On 14 Dec 2016 18:58, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Gujarat has always been better developed compared to rest of India. Certain communities of Gujarat / Rajasthan control the traditional money supply, diamond, broking and commodity trading of India and remit their money made in rest of India back to their native place. Discovery of oil / gas near Kallol, Ankleshwar etc and Cambay gave rise to strong petrochemicals industry complexes.

Boom of Gujarat is also because laws were selectively created and bent by Modi to promote capitalism coinciding with boom in stock markets from 2000 til 2012 . One such discriminatory law is the "Gujarat Prohibition of Transfer of Immovable Property for Protection of Tenants from Eviction from premises in Disturbed Areas Act,1991". This misleadingly named law, ostensibly to protect Muslims, has instead enabled Hindus to buy Muslim properties in Hindu areas cheaply after Modi amended it in 2009.

Gujarat is a police-cum-mafia state today. Prohibition has enabled liquor and drugs to be made freely available everywhere, home delivered at 2-3 times the MRP. Waves upon waves of socially engineered violence have ensured that ghettoisation of Muslims in Gujarat is a reality which cannot be denied except by the bigoted. links below

It is disturbing if rabidly communal peopl have assumed the reins of national government and also the armed forces and they are sacrificing the nation at the altar of expediency, corruption and cheap popularity.

regards

RP Dalvi

http://www.frontline.in/static /html/fl2020/stories/200310100 03303900.htm

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiareal time/2013/05/06/a-new-twist- on-ahmedabads-segregation/

http://twocircles.net/2009jul1 7/modi_govt_amend_law_make_ tougher_muslims_buy_hindu_ properties.html#.WFE9G3qPuTs

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com> wrote:

The comments of Mr Dalvi against Gujeratis is an indication of some sort of envy. There is no doubt that Gujerat has developed very fast during the last decade and more. This  development took place in spite of Congress being at the centre for 8 of the last 10 years. No one can deny that Narendra Modi as the chief minister was responsible for the rapid development of Gujerat, with little assistance from the centre. This was achieved largely because of hard work, initiatives (and some calculated risks) taken, and a tight administration which drastically reduced opportunities for corruption.

I  have found no signs of a fascist state in Gujerat. To make a general statement that Hindu builders do not sell property to Muslims is irresponsible. It is possible that Mr Dalvi is aware of some particular case, and if so, this should be considered an aberration. Basically Gujeratis are businessmen, and will sell an apartment or anything else to anyone who is willing to pay the right price.That is perhaps the secret of their success in commerce. Having said that, the Muslims do need to make efforts to integrate with the rest of our population, and not view the entire world as a  Muslims vs the rest contest. 

As for Gujerat or (India) being a Fascist state, I can only comment that  had this been true, we would not have been enjoying the freedom of speech (or e mail) as we are enjoying at present!

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Re: [IAC#RG] we have no option but to 'wait and watch'

're Ravi's 'wait and watch' theme : Ravi must be among the privileged few who are not affected at all by the cash crunch else why would he deny the havoc it has played on everyone else - the rural population, employment guarantee schemes, agri. markets, and prices, on urban wage labour, small shops, parents with school going kids, housewives, patients, the sick and elderly being denied critical treatment and collapsing in bank queues.

As for the six decades theme :  were Nehru, Shastri, Morarji, Rao and Indira themselves corrupt? Did they have the big business friends our present leaders have bankrolling their election to seats of power?

Banks floundering under NPAs have now been recapitalized with our honest money and they will now use their reserves to dish out more bad loans to the same defaulters before the next state elections. Much of which will fill the BJP cadres' pockets in return for new favours being granted. This has been the biggest scam perpetrated on the Indian people since Independence.

Is there a good reason why BJP, at least in the Lok Sabha cannot amend legislation to the three acts that protects the names of NPA holders who are at least partly responsible for our present state? Or the names of the real black income hoarders known to all investing agencies, FIs,  governments here and abroad but kept hidden from Indian citizens??

Ravi ji, kindly answer these questions if you aim at serious discussion, not a repeat of ruling party jumlas.

J. Roy

On 17 Dec 2016 19:31, truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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> Again and again " six decades ". Kindly remember : out of these six decades 12.5 years are from B.J.P. States ruled by B.J.P. are no less corrupt. The two previous terms by B.J.P. were not spectacular. They did nothing for the country. They started linking of rivers and left in the middle. For three years they are starting to clean Ganga. They came to power not on their strength, but by the weakness of Congress. It is sheer rhetoric and smoke screen that they are " tackling " corruption through demonetisation. These two are not at all related. All the savings of every common man is squeezed out to the banks, impounded and systematically siphoned off to the 100 business men holding 80% of the country's wealth and NPAs. They lied to the people when they said corrupt Congress men are holding black money out of the country and they will get it back. Now the RBI governor says all ATMs are working normally. How shameful! Their attorney says nobody will die due to lack of money. Can they understand the agony of a father who has money in his account but unable to draw it to feed his children, pay medical bills, buy essentials? Are you for corruption or demonetisation? is their query. What a chicanery! When they were in opposition, they never permitted the parliament to function; when the opposition wants a debate, they are crying foul. They brand Congress as a party rejected by the people while having ministers rejected by their own constituencies. Incidentally , Gujarat did not prosper due to Modi; it was in spite of Modi, his divisive, communal, parochial politics. Regards.
>
> from Holly2 Plus
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> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?
> From: Ravichandran Rajamannar
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> CC:
>
>
>> Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis?
>>
>> Answer is - Why not when we have trusted corrupt dynasty for 6 decades and illegal immigation and fake notes !!
>>
>> Why not, when we trusted people from UP to dominate in all spheres during those years !!
>>
>> Of course, Modi displays insecurity as he keeps adding more folks from Gujarat at the help of affairs. Not desirable at all when we have 29 states and many of them bigger than Gujarat in terms of population and GDP.
>>
>> Modi is fighting both sides (elements in BJP pariwar and opposition whose only aim is to protect their corrupt turf) and can easily be removed from power / gaddi whenever people want it. Even mighty Indira could not sustain Emergency for 21 months and bowed out.
>>
>> He has put his political stake in demonetization. If he wins/fails, he gets bouquets / brickbats respectively. Senior BJP leaders will be baying for his blood and are waiting for an opportunity to pounce on him.
>>
>> But all steps taken in this exercise seems to be well thought out including cash rationing and people pain. People believe that 2000/ notes will be demonetized soon. He has rationed 500/ notes so it is not hoarded (instead of 2000/)
>>
>> I have talked to people in my network across states (Rural / Urban), whatsapp groups and in ATM queues - 90% have supported demonetization despite hardships.
>>
>> Most of us would agree 99% of politicians are corrupt. They act not as people servant but as their master. Financial corruption is the root cause of all other forms of corruptions.  It should be  actually corrupt politicians vs people but we are divided by language, religion, caste, wealth, color, creed etc. Modi has fired first shot on black money. It has certainly weakened strong & corrupt (mostly politicians, govt babus) during money laundering process. Let us wait for his 30-Dec announcement.
>>
>> Proof of the pudding will be UP election!! Let us see who wins in Modi vs Mahagathbandhan battle.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com>
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:44 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?
>>
>> I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.
>> Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.
>> And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.
>> Joya Roy
>> On 14 Dec 2016 18:58, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gujarat has always been better developed compared to rest of India. Certain communities of Gujarat / Rajasthan control the traditional money supply, diamond, broking and commodity trading of India and remit their money made in rest of India back to their native place. Discovery of oil / gas near Kallol, Ankleshwar etc and Cambay gave rise to strong petrochemicals industry complexes.
>>>
>>> Boom of Gujarat is also because laws were selectively created and bent by Modi to promote capitalism coinciding with boom in stock markets from 2000 til 2012 . One such discriminatory law is the "Gujarat Prohibition of Transfer of Immovable Property for Protection of Tenants from Eviction from premises in Disturbed Areas Act,1991". This misleadingly named law, ostensibly to protect Muslims, has instead enabled Hindus to buy Muslim properties in Hindu areas cheaply after Modi amended it in 2009.
>>>
>>> Gujarat is a police-cum-mafia state today. Prohibition has enabled liquor and drugs to be made freely available everywhere, home delivered at 2-3 times the MRP. Waves upon waves of socially engineered violence have ensured that ghettoisation of Muslims in Gujarat is a reality which cannot be denied except by the bigoted. links below
>>>
>>> It is disturbing if rabidly communal peopl have assumed the reins of national government and also the armed forces and they are sacrificing the nation at the altar of expediency, corruption and cheap popularity.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> RP Dalvi
>>>
>>> http://www.frontline.in/ static/html/fl2020/stories/ 20031010003303900.htm
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/ indiarealtime/2013/05/06/a- new-twist-on-ahmedabads- segregation/
>>>
>>> http://twocircles.net/ 2009jul17/modi_govt_amend_law_ make_tougher_muslims_buy_ hindu_properties.html#. WFE9G3qPuTs
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The comments of Mr Dalvi against Gujeratis is an indication of some sort of envy. There is no doubt that Gujerat has developed very fast during the last decade and more. This  development took place in spite of Congress being at the centre for 8 of the last 10 years. No one can deny that Narendra Modi as the chief minister was responsible for the rapid development of Gujerat, with little assistance from the centre. This was achieved largely because of hard work, initiatives (and some calculated risks) taken, and a tight administration which drastically reduced opportunities for corruption.
>>>> I  have found no signs of a fascist state in Gujerat. To make a general statement that Hindu builders do not sell property to Muslims is irresponsible. It is possible that Mr Dalvi is aware of some particular case, and if so, this should be considered an aberration. Basically Gujeratis are businessmen, and will sell an apartment or anything else to anyone who is willing to pay the right price.That is perhaps the secret of their success in commerce. Having said that, the Muslims do need to make efforts to integrate with the rest of our population, and not view the entire world as a  Muslims vs the rest contest. 
>>>> As for Gujerat or (India) being a Fascist state, I can only comment that  had this been true, we would not have been enjoying the freedom of speech (or e mail) as we are enjoying at present!
>>>> Regards
>>>> Anand S Gangoli
>>>>
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[IAC#RG] Fw: Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

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From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:36 PM
To: truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

 

16/12/16

Is Saurashtra not a part of Gujrat State?Let us not go further into it. Call it a coincidence or delibrate plan to keep the demonitization confined to a few people who happened to be from Gujrat with the result people started to attribute it to parochial mindset.

I was myself admiring some of the initiatives  taken by the Prime Minister but now start questioning the motives if they are really for the poor people and the farmers including demonitization as is being claimed. For example how  land aquisition bill was in the interest of the farmers. How the schemes like Smart cities and bullet trains are in the interest of farmers? How make in India and dizitalisation will help the poor ? And now this scheme of declaring legal tender illegal overnight by whatever name it is called will help the poor and the farmers who a re suffering the most. Now that all the 5oo/1000 notes which were in circulation are returning back to bank deposits What happened to counterfeit currency,drug money, terrorist money? It has simply come down to tax evasion by small scale industries and small traders and jewlellers. Now it is being claimed 600 people were on the radar of the Govt. and intelligence agencies for black money. They could have dealt with those cases after the amnesty scheme to unearth black money.   

Meanwhile one also sees that the PM has a complete control on the Govt. and through the MPs and Ministers seeking to control Parliament thus undermining the very foundation of democracy. How else would you view the complete wash out of the whole session of Parliament over an issue of demonitization ,of which he himself is the architect and should have defended himself rather than leaving it to the finance minister whom he did not take into confidence earlier.

Through this scheme it is now crystal clear that the Reserve Bank of India,s independence as final authority for Monetary Policy has  been taken away. The Banks are now flush with funds and there will be no more talk of their NPA,S . Further they will reduce the lending rates for loans. Rates for deposits will also be reduced. This will further hurt the small depositers for their savings. Regds

 

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It is uncharitable to blame all Gujarathis for the folly of one P.M. There are some intelligent people in Gujarathis also. To me, he is an Indian and he belongs to India. The problem is that Modi thinks that India belongs to him. Incidentally, Modi is not a Gujarati; he is a Saurashtrian. Regards.

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Absolutely agree with u, Mr Gangoli. Please do not cast aspersions on an entire community.

 

You should instead criticise the PM for having elevated inefficient people of no consequence to the top posts of the country.

 

Dr Rina Mukherji

 

Kolkata

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From: Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

I think this email is shameful. To criticize an individual or individuals is acceptable(even though I myself am fully in favour of demonetization), but to denigrate an entire community is a sad reflection on your thinking process.

Or do you think Mahatma Gandhi and Sardar Patel were also incompetent Gujeratis ?

Was this mail approved by the moderator?

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

So at last Modi's PR cell has had to reveal his kitchen cabinet of Gujaratis who mucked up execution of demonetisation

1) Narendra Modi himself

2) Urjit Patel, the Kenyan citizen, RIL executive

3) "Dr." Hashmukh Adhia, whose Ph.D  our sources says is some dubious "Yoga" degree from a shady RSS controlled distance education deemed university in Karnataka, which (like Modi) he never/hardly attended.

Can nation's economy be trusted in hands of such incompetent Gujaratis ?

RP Dalvi

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Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis?

Answer is - Why not when we have trusted corrupt dynasty for 6 decades and illegal immigation and fake notes !!

Why not, when we trusted people from UP to dominate in all spheres during those years !!

Of course, Modi displays insecurity as he keeps adding more folks from Gujarat at the help of affairs. Not desirable at all when we have 29 states and many of them bigger than Gujarat in terms of population and GDP.

Modi is fighting both sides (elements in BJP pariwar and opposition whose only aim is to protect their corrupt turf) and can easily be removed from power / gaddi whenever people want it. Even mighty Indira could not sustain Emergency for 21 months and bowed out.

He has put his political stake in demonetization. If he wins/fails, he gets bouquets / brickbats respectively. Senior BJP leaders will be baying for his blood and are waiting for an opportunity to pounce on him.

But all steps taken in this exercise seems to be well thought out including cash rationing and people pain. People believe that 2000/ notes will be demonetized soon. He has rationed 500/ notes so it is not hoarded (instead of 2000/)

I have talked to people in my network across states (Rural / Urban), whatsapp groups and in ATM queues - 90% have supported demonetization despite hardships.

Most of us would agree 99% of politicians are corrupt. They act not as people servant but as their master. Financial corruption is the root cause of all other forms of corruptions.  It should be  actually corrupt politicians vs people but we are divided by language, religion, caste, wealth, color, creed etc. Modi has fired first shot on black money. It has certainly weakened strong & corrupt (mostly politicians, govt babus) during money laundering process. Let us wait for his 30-Dec announcement.

Proof of the pudding will be UP election!! Let us see who wins in Modi vs Mahagathbandhan battle.

Ravi

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From: Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.

Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.

And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.

Joya Roy

On 14 Dec 2016 18:58, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Gujarat has always been better developed compared to rest of India. Certain communities of Gujarat / Rajasthan control the traditional money supply, diamond, broking and commodity trading of India and remit their money made in rest of India back to their native place. Discovery of oil / gas near Kallol, Ankleshwar etc and Cambay gave rise to strong petrochemicals industry complexes.

Boom of Gujarat is also because laws were selectively created and bent by Modi to promote capitalism coinciding with boom in stock markets from 2000 til 2012 . One such discriminatory law is the "Gujarat Prohibition of Transfer of Immovable Property for Protection of Tenants from Eviction from premises in Disturbed Areas Act,1991". This misleadingly named law, ostensibly to protect Muslims, has instead enabled Hindus to buy Muslim properties in Hindu areas cheaply after Modi amended it in 2009.

Gujarat is a police-cum-mafia state today. Prohibition has enabled liquor and drugs to be made freely available everywhere, home delivered at 2-3 times the MRP. Waves upon waves of socially engineered violence have ensured that ghettoisation of Muslims in Gujarat is a reality which cannot be denied except by the bigoted. links below

It is disturbing if rabidly communal peopl have assumed the reins of national government and also the armed forces and they are sacrificing the nation at the altar of expediency, corruption and cheap popularity.

regards

RP Dalvi

http://www.frontline.in/ static/html/fl2020/stories/ 20031010003303900.htm

http://blogs.wsj.com/ indiarealtime/2013/05/06/a- new-twist-on-ahmedabads- segregation/

http://twocircles.net/ 2009jul17/modi_govt_amend_law_ make_tougher_muslims_buy_ hindu_properties.html#. WFE9G3qPuTs

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com> wrote:

The comments of Mr Dalvi against Gujeratis is an indication of some sort of envy. There is no doubt that Gujerat has developed very fast during the last decade and more. This  development took place in spite of Congress being at the centre for 8 of the last 10 years. No one can deny that Narendra Modi as the chief minister was responsible for the rapid development of Gujerat, with little assistance from the centre. This was achieved largely because of hard work, initiatives (and some calculated risks) taken, and a tight administration which drastically reduced opportunities for corruption.

I  have found no signs of a fascist state in Gujerat. To make a general statement that Hindu builders do not sell property to Muslims is irresponsible. It is possible that Mr Dalvi is aware of some particular case, and if so, this should be considered an aberration. Basically Gujeratis are businessmen, and will sell an apartment or anything else to anyone who is willing to pay the right price.That is perhaps the secret of their success in commerce. Having said that, the Muslims do need to make efforts to integrate with the rest of our population, and not view the entire world as a  Muslims vs the rest contest. 

As for Gujerat or (India) being a Fascist state, I can only comment that  had this been true, we would not have been enjoying the freedom of speech (or e mail) as we are enjoying at present!

Regards

Anand S Gangoli

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[IAC#RG] What ICAI is doing

In many cases of black money transaction CA is involved.
Whether ICAI is teaching such type lessons?
Whether ICAI should be regulated or replaced?
What actions ICAI is taking?

Such questions arise after every cases in which CA are involved but no such strict action were ever taken. This time the Axis Bank has competed with CA in saving their client money.
Great gambling between great gambler..

Ankit Khetan
India

Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

hi

Everbody

MALAYALAIES: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are cunning.

TAMILIANS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are shrewd.

KANNADIGAS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are lazy.

TELUGUS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are smart.

MAHARASTRIANS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are dullards.

MPITES: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are fighters.

ODDIYANS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are unskilled.

BENGALIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are untrustworthy.

UPITES: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are goondas

BIHARIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because lallu a standing example.

UTTARA & JHARKANDIES: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are morons.

DELHITES: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are thugs.

RAJASTHANIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are cheaters.

PUNJABIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are reckless.

HARIYANVIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are law breakers.

KASHMIRIS: we cannot work with them and trust them because they are Indians at all.

GUJARATHIS: already eliminated.

with which Indian do we trust and work with.

Nobody likes nobody.

Learn to live in a society.

 

Arvind Srinivas

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On Thursday, 15 December 2016 11:54 AM, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Demonetisation has caused many small enterprises to fold up, and increased unemployment, particularly in the informal sector. No government should aim at that.

But picking on any community is wrong; no criticism can be justified if it is founded on parochial lines. It is important to refrain from such statements. As a mature group of educated individuals, we ought to steer clear of such statements.

(BTW, even Nehru-otherwise the epitome of secular and nationalistic ideals, could rise above  his bias for fellow-Kashmiri  Lt Gen Kaul, causing India's ultimate debacle in the 1962 conflict!)

Dr Rina Mukherji

Kolkata

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Blind devotion which ignores the prevailing reality should be controlled by list moderators.

A "secret' decision was taken without adequate deliberation or planning by a small group of incompetent people, which has wiped out 86% of India's currency notes, caused immense pain, suffering and innumnerable deaths and you Modi apologists continue to blindly defend the indefensible ?

It seems you are unaware of principle of vicarious liability which has been earlier referred on this blog. Under this, Modi is responsible for each and every consequence of his actions.

Mr. Modi's secret actions, taken to benefit his cronies and himself, have shaken the faith and trust of common people in banking system, and India's currency itself. Instructions are being sent out to all the bhakts to lay the blame anywhere but at Modi's doorstep for his personal failure and "personal involvement in corruption" by this demonetisation.

It is inevitable that this demonetisation will cause people to buy and hoard even more gold which will inevitably cause our balance of payments to reverse. Now with US Fed raising interest rates hot FDI money is sure to flow out of India and the rising oil prices by OPEC cartel will put pressure on acche din which will only take place through manipulated and shallow rises in stock market timed from Q1:April-June 2017 after BJP wins rigged UP elections after buying off BSP.

RP Dalvi

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Sangeeta Bhasin <sangeetabhasin@gmail.com> wrote:

1) how is modi responsible if the bank managers and other indian citizens are corrupt?

2)  enough provision was nade to allow reasoable withdrawals by people in an austere scenario. if the entire operations were sabatoged by the bank and other people responsible for this, we should laud the response of the govt for having caught them redhanded  the delay in catching the culprits was because they needed to be caught redhanded not giving the opposition any chance to again make noise.

3) how deep the cancer of corruotion has spread makes it even more important that we support the efforts for our better future.

Sangeetabhasin
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9820236048

On 14 Dec 2016 8:52 p.m., "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.

Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.

And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.

Joya Roy

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Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

Absolutely agree with u, Mr Gangoli. Please do not cast aspersions on an entire community.

 

You should instead criticise the PM for having elevated inefficient people of no consequence to the top posts of the country.

 

Dr Rina Mukherji

 

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Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

I think this email is shameful. To criticize an individual or individuals is acceptable(even though I myself am fully in favour of demonetization), but to denigrate an entire community is a sad reflection on your thinking process.

Or do you think Mahatma Gandhi and Sardar Patel were also incompetent Gujeratis ?​

Was this mail approved by the moderator?

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

So at last Modi's PR cell has had to reveal his kitchen cabinet of Gujaratis who mucked up execution of demonetisation

1) Narendra Modi himself

2) Urjit Patel, the Kenyan citizen, RIL executive

3) "Dr." Hashmukh Adhia, whose Ph.D  our sources says is some dubious "Yoga" degree from a shady RSS controlled distance education deemed university in Karnataka, which (like Modi) he never/hardly attended.

Can nation's economy be trusted in hands of such incompetent Gujaratis ?

RP Dalvi

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Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

One doesn't know much abt gujratis but i do wonder if this demonitasation exercise could hve been done differently.

Though am fwdng all good meaning patriotic messages.
In the end one thing is sure, that we so called middle class will hve to bear the brunt for this too.
A small example is a welder when asked to do a small rs1700 job said that if paid by any other means other than cash, would charge 12% vat.So, let's get ready to bear the burden.
And worse, the poor on streets are not affected much since the welfare schemes are increasing day by day so, guess we will fund that too.
Regards to all.

On 15 Dec 2016 11:52, "Rina Mukherji" <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Demonetisation has caused many small enterprises to fold up, and increased unemployment, particularly in the informal sector. No government should aim at that.

But picking on any community is wrong; no criticism can be justified if it is founded on parochial lines. It is important to refrain from such statements. As a mature group of educated individuals, we ought to steer clear of such statements.

(BTW, even Nehru-otherwise the epitome of secular and nationalistic ideals, could rise above  his bias for fellow-Kashmiri  Lt Gen Kaul, causing India's ultimate debacle in the 1962 conflict!)

Dr Rina Mukherji

Kolkata

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Blind devotion which ignores the prevailing reality should be controlled by list moderators.

A "secret' decision was taken without adequate deliberation or planning by a small group of incompetent people, which has wiped out 86% of India's currency notes, caused immense pain, suffering and innumnerable deaths and you Modi apologists continue to blindly defend the indefensible ?

It seems you are unaware of principle of vicarious liability which has been earlier referred on this blog. Under this, Modi is responsible for each and every consequence of his actions.

Mr. Modi's secret actions, taken to benefit his cronies and himself, have shaken the faith and trust of common people in banking system, and India's currency itself. Instructions are being sent out to all the bhakts to lay the blame anywhere but at Modi's doorstep for his personal failure and "personal involvement in corruption" by this demonetisation.

It is inevitable that this demonetisation will cause people to buy and hoard even more gold which will inevitably cause our balance of payments to reverse. Now with US Fed raising interest rates hot FDI money is sure to flow out of India and the rising oil prices by OPEC cartel will put pressure on acche din which will only take place through manipulated and shallow rises in stock market timed from Q1:April-June 2017 after BJP wins rigged UP elections after buying off BSP.

RP Dalvi

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Sangeeta Bhasin <sangeetabhasin@gmail.com> wrote:

1) how is modi responsible if the bank managers and other indian citizens are corrupt?

2)  enough provision was nade to allow reasoable withdrawals by people in an austere scenario. if the entire operations were sabatoged by the bank and other people responsible for this, we should laud the response of the govt for having caught them redhanded  the delay in catching the culprits was because they needed to be caught redhanded not giving the opposition any chance to again make noise.

3) how deep the cancer of corruotion has spread makes it even more important that we support the efforts for our better future.

Sangeetabhasin
new starlite optiks
9820236048

On 14 Dec 2016 8:52 p.m., "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.

Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.

And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Remonetisation

There are regular reportings in Daily Newspapers of huge amounts of cash being unearthed in various parts of India.Business interests are on the run.There are many ways the old scrap notes are being turned white through advance payments to salaried staff. If only all political heads irrespective of party affiliation had supported the laudable move things would have brought a much tolerable picture instead of despair. They are the loudest whom many feels have hidden interest.

Enough is enough. Someone sometime had to be bold to take this hard decision. Once taken the decision it is for the Government machinery to ensure that it causes little tolerable difficulties to the masses. 

IT , CBi, Enforcement Agencies through their intelligence network are in the knowledge of categories of people whom they should strike to achieve large scale exposures. In the management parlance all energy to be focussed on such filthy rich men- anti national people.People should be apprised of the results in  regular means.

 

With kind regards 

.K.BHATTACHARYYA F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127

Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

Dear Mr Dalvi,

I have visited Gujarat only a few months ago, with my teenaged daughter for her entrance tests, and believe me, it impressed me as an extremely well-governed state. My own daughter -who has grown up in Kolkata ( which is generally a safe city for young women) was shocked to see that she could walk around and enjoy late night shows with her friends there until midnight.

Besides, I have never seen a cleaner traditional market anywhere in India. Visit Ratanpol and its vicinity, and you will agree!

As for the Hindu -Muslim divide, it is more a sense of insecurity among the Muslims than anything else-probably because of the comparatively lower literacy levels among them. I will tell you something interesting; I was shopping for bangles at the centuries-old Rani no hajiro and could not get enough interesting designs to buy for my friends back home. The Hindu bangle -seller guided me to a Muslim shopkeeper, who had a small establishment that manufactured bangles and metal jewellery. The shop was tucked right in, and one had to climb a few stairs to get there. When I managed to find it, and get a dozen packs , he casually asked me how I got to his shop, since, notwithstanding my fluent Gujarati, he clearly recognized me as a newcomer to the city. He was shocked to hear that a Hindu shop-owner had guided me to him! What do you say to that?

But Gujaratis, even in Mumbai, do not like meat and fish-eating neighbours in their vicinity. Newspapers in Ahmedabad are full of letters from north Indians and others who cannot get houses on lease-rentals because of being non-vegetarian. Nobody talks of this; it is only the anti-Muslim sentiment that is spoken of. Probably because certain groups would like to stoke them!

Dr Rina Mukherji

Kolkata

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From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2016 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

Dear Fellow Bharatiya,

We Indians are all capable of thinking and writing better than what is expressed in the subject line. It is very common in politics that  opposition to incumbent government receive more attention. Few years back, many among us, almost of all of us, were upset with Sonia regime. The name of fame of Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul-Priyanka and her husband Robert was bothering us. It is only two years have passed and same group of people are wishing them back in power, how ironic?

Our elected government has five years term to accomplish their manifesto and so is allowed for Modi government. I think we should have little patience, at least by end of 2018 (completion of 4 years) before accusing him for betraying trust.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

f: India Heritage Foundation

Michigan (USA)

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From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 9:14:47 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

 

The comments of Mr Dalvi against Gujeratis is an indication of some sort of envy. There is no doubt that Gujerat has developed very fast during the last decade and more. This  development took place in spite of Congress being at the centre for 8 of the last 10 years. No one can deny that Narendra Modi as the chief minister was responsible for the rapid development of Gujerat, with little assistance from the centre. This was achieved largely because of hard work, initiatives (and some calculated risks) taken, and a tight administration which drastically reduced opportunities for corruption.

I  have found no signs of a fascist state in Gujerat. To make a general statement that Hindu builders do not sell property to Muslims is irresponsible. It is possible that Mr Dalvi is aware of some particular case, and if so, this should be considered an aberration. Basically Gujeratis are businessmen, and will sell an apartment or anything else to anyone who is willing to pay the right price.That is perhaps the secret of their success in commerce. Having said that, the Muslims do need to make efforts to integrate with the rest of our population, and not view the entire world as a  Muslims vs the rest contest. 

As for Gujerat or (India) being a Fascist state, I can only comment that  had this been true, we would not have been enjoying the freedom of speech (or e mail) as we are enjoying at present!

Regards

Anand S Gangoli

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Madam

How can anyone deny that this is not a government of crony gujaratis by crony gujaratis for crony gujaratis ?

Have you ever been to gujarat recently ? Gujarat seems not to want to be a part of India, eg. you will not find signs in Hindi (95% signs in gujarati rest are in english).

RSS social engineering (Gujarat is RSS laboratory) has ensured that Muslims cannot live in Hindu areas, Hindu builders will not sell apartments to Muslims and vice versa.

Gujarat has been turned into a perfect fascist state by RSS. Ask anyone in Gujarat who is Chief Minister there and they will either reply Narendra Modi (93%) or Amit Shah (5%).  In Modi-raj decisions are first taken in private for private gain and then rubber stamped by constitutional agencies later. There is no democracy worth the name there.

Is this the India that you want to live in ?

RP Dalvi

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:12 PM, rina mukherji <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:

Absolutely agree with u, Mr Gangoli. Please do not cast aspersions on an entire community.

 

You should instead criticise the PM for having elevated inefficient people of no consequence to the top posts of the country.

 

Dr Rina Mukherji

 

Kolkata

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Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?

Dr Rina Mukheree,

 I share your views .We should not be parochial and communal when opposing or supporting some policies as well as personalities.In a functional democracy like ours, we should not be forgetful that we belong to a multi cultural nation .

I hope the moderators of indiaresists will not not allow such  mail to be circulated.

With regards,

Dr P K Chakravarty

Editor ebangla.in Portal   

On 15 December 2016 at 11:33, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:

Demonetisation has caused many small enterprises to fold up, and increased unemployment, particularly in the informal sector. No government should aim at that.

But picking on any community is wrong; no criticism can be justified if it is founded on parochial lines. It is important to refrain from such statements. As a mature group of educated individuals, we ought to steer clear of such statements.

(BTW, even Nehru-otherwise the epitome of secular and nationalistic ideals, could rise above  his bias for fellow-Kashmiri  Lt Gen Kaul, causing India's ultimate debacle in the 1962 conflict!)

Dr Rina Mukherji

Kolkata

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Blind devotion which ignores the prevailing reality should be controlled by list moderators.

A "secret' decision was taken without adequate deliberation or planning by a small group of incompetent people, which has wiped out 86% of India's currency notes, caused immense pain, suffering and innumnerable deaths and you Modi apologists continue to blindly defend the indefensible ?

It seems you are unaware of principle of vicarious liability which has been earlier referred on this blog. Under this, Modi is responsible for each and every consequence of his actions.

Mr. Modi's secret actions, taken to benefit his cronies and himself, have shaken the faith and trust of common people in banking system, and India's currency itself. Instructions are being sent out to all the bhakts to lay the blame anywhere but at Modi's doorstep for his personal failure and "personal involvement in corruption" by this demonetisation.

It is inevitable that this demonetisation will cause people to buy and hoard even more gold which will inevitably cause our balance of payments to reverse. Now with US Fed raising interest rates hot FDI money is sure to flow out of India and the rising oil prices by OPEC cartel will put pressure on acche din which will only take place through manipulated and shallow rises in stock market timed from Q1:April-June 2017 after BJP wins rigged UP elections after buying off BSP.

RP Dalvi

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Sangeeta Bhasin <sangeetabhasin@gmail.com> wrote:

1) how is modi responsible if the bank managers and other indian citizens are corrupt?

2)  enough provision was nade to allow reasoable withdrawals by people in an austere scenario. if the entire operations were sabatoged by the bank and other people responsible for this, we should laud the response of the govt for having caught them redhanded  the delay in catching the culprits was because they needed to be caught redhanded not giving the opposition any chance to again make noise.

3) how deep the cancer of corruotion has spread makes it even more important that we support the efforts for our better future.

Sangeetabhasin
new starlite optiks
9820236048

On 14 Dec 2016 8:52 p.m., "Prodipto Roy" <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.

Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.

And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.

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