[HumJanenge] Re: FOR BETTER FUTURE

I agree with you. This is better than getting the old political parties and netas again and again as they do not deserve another chance until they come out cleaner.

 

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

---

From: vishnu singh <vishnu.2008@gmail.com>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 10:58 PM
Subject: FOR BETTER FUTURE

FOR BETTER FUTURE:

 

The present trend of immoral and irresponsible governance is fast changing the democracy to anarchy. Rampant corruption at the top has corrupted the mass psyche. Ministers and MPs think they are the rulers like maharajas and their acts are beyond questioning by the public. We are the "mango people in banana state" Some one high up is shaming the citizens and the nation in the same breath without regret. This trend must stop. Present system could be changed for good if a majority of honest people could be placed in the Assemblies and Parliament. Honesty then would flow from the top to bottom as the corruption is flowing now. Would it be impossible to find a few hundred honest ones from a population of 120 million? We have no choice but to give a chance to the new set of would be politicians in the parties of Kejriwal and Ramdev. They want to form their own political parties; oust the present corrupt government and give honest governance by winning elections within the existing democratic frame work. How many honest one they can get and how long they will remain honest only time will tell? But we see a better choice in them. They have no grass root political infrastructure and resources to fight elections where money, cast and minorities play crucial role, so let us fight with them. The plus point is that they have wide support on their "Mudda" of corruption and a clean image. Nothing will change till their party is in majority in the parliament which may be a distant dream but worth public support being the only hope for corruption free governance. They are honest men of character to be relied upon.

Anna Hazare and Civil Society is creating Jan Gagran: They want to support honest political candidates from out side. They are going to ask the public to vote the honest representatives whether independent or in any party without themselves entering into actual politics. This is a flawed concept."Neki kar kuen mei daal". Because the candidates fighting elections are not and will not be in Anna's control. How he or anybody else can guarantee for their honesty after they are elected. Their loyalty will be either to their party or to themselves. Anna would be irrelevant to them after elections and Anna's all efforts will go waste. His movement got big support on corruption eradication platform but lost its sheen later because people have to do their jobs and can not sit on fast for long and go to support someone who is not Anna's man. I think Anna should openly support Kejriwal and Ramdev's party candidates because they can not bring dubious characters to contest after speaking and acting so much against corruption.  

My kudos to Anna, Ramdev and Kejriwal in particular and their teams for waking up the nation by mass movement against corruption in the government and speaking so strongly and loudly against the most powerful family of India and ministers involved in corruption. This has happened for the first time after independence. Kejriwal is demanding to register criminal cases against law minister Khurshid and Sonia Gandhi's son in law Robert Vadra. The whole government is defending Sonia Gandhi and Vadra but they are keeping quite for the reasons known to them but better known to all intelligent people. We as responsible citizens must do whatever in our capacity to save our democracy from turning to anarchy and support Kejriwal and Ramdev's political parties. 

Wg. Cdr. Vishnu Singh Retd.

[HumJanenge] website http://socialjustice.nic.in/ goes off air

Dear All,

The website http://socialjustice.nic.in/ is not working. can anybody suggest what to do?
--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1722, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Denied marriage register, RTI applicant to move court

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/Denied-marriage-register-RTI-applicant-to-move-court/articleshow/16791383.cms

VADODARA/ANAND: An RTI applicant has threatened to move court after he
was denied access to the marriage register book by the Christian
clergy in Anand district.

RTI applicant Victor Macwan, who belongs to the Christian community,
has alleged that the book in which Catholic marriages is registered by
the Christian clergy in Gujarat is being kept as a closely guarded
secret.

Macwan had made a search application under Section 63 of the Indian
Christian Marriage Act (ICMA) 1872 with RTI application seeking
details of the marriage-register-book which was denied by Father Tony,
the parish priest of Catholic Church in Mariampura at Petlad in Anand
district.

"Under ICMA 1872, the priest is the registrar of marriage. Hence, he
is governed by the same act and consequently under Sections 2 (f), 2
(h) and 8 (j) of the Right to Information Act 2005. Therefore,
information generated regarding the solemnizing and registration of
marriages and information connected therewith comes under the purview
of public domain, and information generated with public funds. But, I
was refused the search of marriage register and also details of the
declaration of 17 proactive disclosures required under Section 4 of
the RTI Act," says Macwan.

Macwan says he had sought details of all the marriages that were
solemnized by the church between 1975 and 1985.

As per the applicant, Section 63 of ICMA 1872 states: "Every person
licensed under this Act to grant certificates of marriages, and
keeping a marriage-register-book under Section 62 shall, at all
reasonable times, allow search to be made in such book, and shall, on
payment of the proper fee, give a copy, certified under his hand, of
any entry therein."

Father Tony, however, told TOI that the applicant was denied
information as the details sought was concerning a third party. "We
cannot show details related to a third party to any such applicant,"
he said, claiming that the marriage-register-book, which the applicant
wanted to access does not come under the purview of the RTI Act.

When contacted by TOI, Bishop Thomas Macwan refused to comment on the
issue. "It will not be proper for me to make any kind of comment about
the application," he said.

[HumJanenge] No dilution of RTI Act (Narayanaswamy)

http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/no-dilutionrti-act-by-any-agency-narayanaswamy/68030/

Government today said it would not allow dilution of the Right to
Information Act by "any agency."

Speaking at the valedictory session of seventh annual convention of
the Central Information Commission, Minister of State for Personnel
and Training V Narayanasamy said "one more thing, very vital issue,
burning issue...Is recent Supreme Court judgement that is Namit
Sharma's case. You have a lot of grievances on the judgment, I also
have a lot of grievances on the judgment."

"As far as the government is concerned, we have taken steps
immediately...We have filed a review about two days back after taking
views of the Law Ministry. I assure you in this forum that we will not
allow dilution of the Right to Information Act at any cost by any
agency," he said.

The Minister said the RTI Act is a very simple Act which even a common
man can read and understand, its provisions of dissemination of
information, without much expenditure.

"I don't want to go into the legal issue as I might be held for
contempt. It is a very simple act...Therefore, I would like to say
that government is committed to the full implementation of the Right
to Information Act in its present form. I will assure from the
government side that we would not be wanting any dilution of the Act,"
he said.

In a recent judgment in the Namit Sharma case, the Supreme Court court
had termed the Commissions as quasi-judicial bodies and directed the
government that Chief Information Commissioner at the Centre or state
level should only be a person who is or has been a Chief Justice of
the High Court or a judge of the Supreme Court of India.

[HumJanenge] Re: Day-1 of CIC RTI National Convention

Dear Murali

CIC Satyananda Mishra is not a "Dr." (that I know of) and neither am
I.

I think that CIC (SM) delivered a delightfully understated speech
to a) The PM b) Mr. Narainaswamy c) Mr.Pradeep Mishra/Secy.DoPT
urging intervention from the DoPT to continue to keep the RTI Act
simple and non-threatening enough for the mango people to
use. The trade off obviously will be that the DoPT will "negotiate"
that privacy of mantris, santri (babus) and tarntris(judges) will
be off-limits for RTI and that frivolous and vexatious persons
(aka RTI taxis) will be curtailed.

The negotiation has already started because the Govt is
subsidising Aruna Roy's parallel RTI convention and the NCPRI
/NAC gang of haramis/poodles/parasites will yet again claim
to exclusively represent the mango people of India and this time
will start negotiate on trivial things like "frivolous" is not defined
(whereupon the DoPT will promptly define it for them)









On Oct 12, 11:11 pm, Murali Krishnan <rti4citiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *12 October 2012*
> To be published on 16.October.2012
>
> *The 7th National Convention of Information Commissioners organised by the
> Central Information Commission at the DRDO Bhawan got off to a steady start
> and ended with an unexpectedly explosive finish.*
>
> A nuanced speech by Chief Information Commissioner Dr. Satyananda Mishra in
> the presence of the PM Dr. Manmohan Singh and MoS V. Narayanswsamy
> highlighted the present difficulty faced by India's Information
> Commissions, the highest Appellate bodies for the fledgling Freedom of
> Information law. The Supreme Court of India ruled last month that half the
> members of the FOI tribunals must either be eminent judges or retired
> justices of the Supreme Court considering the "judicial temperament and
> discipline" required for sensitive information disclosure.
>
> Dr. Manmohan Singh responded by cautioning that the right to information
> for citizens must be weighed against the right to privacy of India's
> politicians and judges who are increasingly facing the heat from an army of
>  "*frivolous and vexatious*"  RTI activists prying into even the business
> dealings of the family members of Sonia Gandhi (the leader of India's
> ruling junta) armed with this law and a series of irregular decisions from
> a former RTI activist Mr. Shailesh Gandhi (who is not related to Sonia
> Gandhi)  who was appointed as an Information Commissioner.
>
> The Convention concluded with a dramatic speech from another RTI activist,
> the mercurial Dr. Sarbajit Roy, India's first RTI applicant and a perpetual
> thorn in the flesh of the Information Commission. In 2010 Dr. Roy got the
> Commission to stop work for 3 days after the Delhi High Court held the then
> Chief Information Commissioner Mr. Wazahat Habibullah had exceeded his
> powers and was functioining illegally. Today Dr. Roy and Mr Habibullah
> faced off again before 500 Information Commissioners and RTI activists. Dr.
> Roy accused Mr. Habibullah of ignoring and sweeping under the carpet "*
> numerous* *serious complaints*" made to him concerning Mr. Shailesh
> Gandhi's functioning and refusing to constitute a Full Bench in 2009 to
> settle a controversial decision which pitched 4 Information Commissioners
> individually against Mr. Shailesh Gandhi. The matter thereafter went to
> Court and in 2012 the Delhi High Court, in a rare departure, trenchantly
> criticised Mr. Shailesh Gandhi for his "*lack of judial decorum, discipline
> and improper conduct*" for ignoring the decisions of his peers. A few
> months later the Supreme Court extrapolated that all India's Information
> Commissioners needed judicial temperament and legal experience of 20 years
> to discharge their duties. Today all the Information Commssioners affirmed
> as one that they too possessed the judicial bent of mind, and that the
> occassional rotten apple did not prove the rule.
>
> The Government is likely to move a review application to the Supreme
> Court's findings shortly, and Mr. Shailesh Gandhi is gathering numbers to
> pass a "*sense of the house*" resolution opposing the Court's excessive
> interference in matters within the administrative domain. Dr. Sarbajit Roy
> in turn stressed that the past year at the Central Information Commission
> was "*annus horribilis*" with Court strictures and even the top Law Officer
> of the Commission filing an unprecedented Writ Petition alleging biased and
> prejudiced orders emanating from Mr.Shailesh Gandhi in collusion with a set
> of frivolous and vexatious RTI applicants.
>
> *The tug-of-war will conclude tomorrow.*

[HumJanenge] Day-1 of CIC RTI National Convention

12 October 2012

To be published on 16.October.2012

The 7th National Convention of Information Commissioners organised by the Central Information Commission at the DRDO Bhawan got off to a steady start and ended with an unexpectedly explosive finish.

A nuanced speech by Chief Information Commissioner Dr. Satyananda Mishra in the presence of the PM Dr. Manmohan Singh and MoS V. Narayanswsamy highlighted the present difficulty faced by India's Information Commissions, the highest Appellate bodies for the fledgling Freedom of Information law. The Supreme Court of India ruled last month that half the members of the FOI tribunals must either be eminent judges or retired justices of the Supreme Court considering the "judicial temperament and discipline" required for sensitive information disclosure.

Dr. Manmohan Singh responded by cautioning that the right to information for citizens must be weighed against the right to privacy of India's politicians and judges who are increasingly facing the heat from an army of  "frivolous and vexatious"  RTI activists prying into even the business dealings of the family members of Sonia Gandhi (the leader of India's ruling junta) armed with this law and a series of irregular decisions from a former RTI activist Mr. Shailesh Gandhi (who is not related to Sonia Gandhi)  who was appointed as an Information Commissioner.

The Convention concluded with a dramatic speech from another RTI activist, the mercurial Dr. Sarbajit Roy, India's first RTI applicant and a perpetual thorn in the flesh of the Information Commission. In 2010 Dr. Roy got the Commission to stop work for 3 days after the Delhi High Court held the then Chief Information Commissioner Mr. Wazahat Habibullah had exceeded his powers and was functioining illegally. Today Dr. Roy and Mr Habibullah faced off again before 500 Information Commissioners and RTI activists. Dr. Roy accused Mr. Habibullah of ignoring and sweeping under the carpet "numerous serious complaints" made to him concerning Mr. Shailesh Gandhi's functioning and refusing to constitute a Full Bench in 2009 to settle a controversial decision which pitched 4 Information Commissioners individually against Mr. Shailesh Gandhi. The matter thereafter went to Court and in 2012 the Delhi High Court, in a rare departure, trenchantly criticised Mr. Shailesh Gandhi for his "lack of judial decorum, discipline and improper conduct" for ignoring the decisions of his peers. A few months later the Supreme Court extrapolated that all India's Information Commissioners needed judicial temperament and legal experience of 20 years to discharge their duties. Today all the Information Commssioners affirmed as one that they too possessed the judicial bent of mind, and that the occassional rotten apple did not prove the rule.

The Government is likely to move a review application to the Supreme Court's findings shortly, and Mr. Shailesh Gandhi is gathering numbers to pass a "sense of the house" resolution opposing the Court's excessive interference in matters within the administrative domain. Dr. Sarbajit Roy in turn stressed that the past year at the Central Information Commission was "annus horribilis" with Court strictures and even the top Law Officer of the Commission filing an unprecedented Writ Petition alleging biased and prejudiced orders emanating from Mr.Shailesh Gandhi in collusion with a set of frivolous and vexatious RTI applicants.

The tug-of-war will conclude tomorrow.

[HumJanenge] CONCERN OF CHIEF JUSTICE ABOUT CORRUPTION IN JUDICIARY

                                     CONCERN OF CHIEF JUSTICE ABOUT   CORRUPTION  IN JUDICIARY

To

Hamjunenge


Dear Sir,

Chief Justice of Madras High Court has revealed that 900 judicial officers in Tamil Nadu face charges. (media report dated 12.10.2012) . He has further warned that corruption amongst judges will not be tolerated. Of course, beyond this he has not  said anything nor appear to have done anything to prevent corruption.

 

It is sad to see these days that the  judges often share  public platforms with politicians and bureaucrats and  even business men  and  visit their houses for private functions  or  for extending invitations.  Many of such politicians and bureaucrats  and business men face charges of corruption and abuse of power in the courts at one time or the other.  Photographs appeared in news papers of Chief Justice of Madras High court himself visiting the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister  who is facing cases  in court ,  to extend some invitation.

 

In the earlier days,  judges used to avoid participating in any public or private functions and even  some times were very selective in attending even family functions  and thus they  enjoyed much more public confidence then than now.

 

The country cannot afford to have a weakened judiciary by judges conducting themselves  without self regulations in their conduct.

 

It is time that a strong public campaign should be launched to subject the judges at all levels in the country to a strict code of conduct.

 

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice for The Deprived

Email:- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com

 

 

 

Re: [HumJanenge] How PSU Banks fleeced the public

Convenor Is there a role of Reserve Bank of India/Ombudsman to control the PSU Bank management in such heinous acts from dealing in public money.It will be interesting to know their reactions in the issue. . With kind regards A.K.BHATTACHARYYA F.I.StructE (UK), FIE (India), FIBE, FIRT H-2A, Hauzkhas, New Delhi -16, Ph:011-26854127 --- On Mon, 10/8/12, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote: From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] How PSU Banks fleeced the public To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 8:00 PM And we hear nothing from the public whose tax money is being squandered. Some high life. On Oct 6, 2012 10:51 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: King Fisher Airlines SCAM 1) PSU Banks convert their doubtful debts in KFA into equity (@ 23% stake in KFA) 2) Banks sell this converted equity off-market at Rs. 65 per share to unnamed parties (when market price is Rs. 38) 3) KFA share is now Rs.13 4) KFA has no assets, family members of employees commit suicide. http://www.financialexpress.com/news/kingfisher-air-gets-humanitarian-funds/1012496/0 PS: Robert Vadra has expressed his intention to get into civil aviation business

RE: [HumJanenge] Break the law and become hero

How ever much that we want to remain apartisan in this, the fact remains that some ppl hve all the means and the others, just call for a level field.
Regards.

On Oct 9, 2012 1:05 PM, "Prem Gaba" <premgaba@hotmail.com> wrote:

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ?

sir i gave answer to the question of law only In any case all those who writing in news papers as editors they are promoting corrupt policy of congress government. The Government led by Mr Manmohan Singh is hiding many facts including 1) If any ordinary citizen find a gold in his open plot and as owner he has no right to retain such coin and government immediately acquires the coin even that ordinary ready to pay cost against such government is not allowing him to retain the coin on the other hand LPG natural gas pertolium products(crude oil ) recovered from the oils wells in India must the property of india but sad to say that supreme court CHief Justice (former CJI K.G. Balakrishanan ) treated the gas recovered from Godavari region as private property of Ambani brothers ? One country two laws clear discrmination by government and SCI. Government has not declared how much amount is paid to the reliance for per KG LPG and per barrel crude oil In which currency the amount is paid to reliance I came to know that government is paying in dollors to reliance and not in rupees although company is indian and price must be paid in indian currency to companies in india. viadya --- On Thu, 11/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ? To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 11 October, 2012, 11:07 PM The question we should ask is as follows:- Why did Pandit Nehru who allegedly "championed" the legislation of the "Hindu Code" of 1956, not repeal the Arya Marriage Validation Act when all the similar pre-existing laws were repealed when the Hindu Code was passed? QED On 10/11/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Mr Sarabjit singh sir you are coreectly mentioned  plz refer the > following:- >          An Act to recognise and remove doubts as to the validity of > inter-marriages current among Arya Samajists. > >         WHEREAS it is expedient to recognise and place beyond doubt the > validity of inter-marriages of a class of Hindus known as Arya Samajists; > > It is hereby enacted as follows:- > >      Short title and extent         1. (1) This Act may be called the Arya > Marriage Validation Act, 1937. > > > > (2) It extends to the whole of 1[ Bangladesh] and applies also to all > citizens of 2[ Bangladesh] wherever they may be. > > > > > >      Marriage between Arya Samajists not to be invalid         2. > Notwithstanding any provision of Hindu Law, usage or custom to the contrary, > no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of this Act > between two persons being at the time of the marriage Arya Samajists shall > be invalid or shall be deemed ever to have been invalid by reason only of > the fact that the parties at any time belonged to different castes or > different sub-castes of Hindus or that either or both of the parties at any > time before the marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism. > > prasad vaidya > viadya > > --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ? > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 10:29 AM > > Dear DR MUTTHU, > > I assure you that such a law exists. Because IndiaCode website > has an illegible copy, you may google for it using following search terms > > "no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of > this Act shall be invalid by reason only of the fact that either or > both of  the parties at any time belonged at any time before the > marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism" > > The said law is also valid in Bangladesh and Pakistan. > > ENJOY > > Sarbajit > > On 10/10/12, Vishnu Mutthu <vishnu.mutthu@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> Dear Dr Sarabjit >> >> This is indeed strange. >> Can you please give name of special law made for Gandhi family so that >> I can confirm from indicode website. >> >

[HumJanenge] Re: [rti4empowerment] Deccan Herald :SC moved for review of verdict seeking judges on RTI panels

Since the Central Govt has gone for REVIEW of the said Judgment
which may be taken by the same bench, it means that they are
ALSO conceding that Judges be appointed but they want to DELAY
it as long as possible..

On 10/11/12, urvashi sharma <rtimahilamanchup@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/284677/sc-moved-review-verdict-seeking.html
>
> Thursday 11 October 2012
> News updated at 10:15 PM IST
>
> SC moved for review of verdict seeking judges on RTI panels
> New Delhi, Oct 11, 2012 (IANS)
>
> The central government Thursday moved the Supreme Court seeking the
> review of its verdict directing amendment of the RTI Act for the
> appointment of judges, serving or retired, and people with judicial
> background on the central and state information panels.
>
> The government, in its review petition, contended that the court could
> not have directed it or parliament to amend the Right to Information
> (RTI) Act making way for the appointment of retired or sitting judges
> or people with judicial background on the Information panels.
>
> The petition said that the apex court judgment runs contrary to the RTI
> act.
> The Sep 13 judgment had said: "There is an absolute necessity for the
> legislature to reword or amend the provisions of Section 12(5), 12(6)
> and 15(5), 15(6) of the Act. We observe and hope that these provisions
> would be amended at the earliest by the legislature to avoid any
> ambiguity or impracticability and to make it in consonance with the
> constitutional mandates."
>
> Having directed the RTI act's amendment, the judgment said: "We are of
> the considered view that the competent authority should prefer a
> person who is or has been a Judge of the High Court for appointment as
> Information Commissioners. Chief Information Commissioner at the
> Centre or State level shall only be a person who is or has been a
> Chief Justice of the High Court or a Judge of the Supreme Court of
> India."
>
> The judgment, pronounced by a bench of Justice A.K. Patnaik and
> Justice Swatanter Kumar, held that the Central and State Information
> Commissions perform quasi-judicial functions thus they should be
> headed and manned by retired judges or people with judicial
> background.
>
> "We are of the considered view that it is an unquestionable
> proposition of law that the Commission is a 'judicial tribunal'
> performing functions of 'judicial' as well as 'quasi-judicial' nature
> and having the trappings of a Court," they said.
>
> Holding that the Commission was a judicial forum, the court said: "It
> is an important cog and is part of the court attached system of
> administration of justice, unlike a ministerial tribunal which is more
> influenced and controlled and performs functions akin to the machinery
> of administration."
>
> The court had said that it would render the adjudicatory process which
> involves critical legal questions and nuances of law, more adherent to
> justice and shall enhance the public confidence in the working of the
> Commission.
>
> --
> - Urvashi Sharma
> Right to Information Helpline 8081898081
> Helpline Against Corruption 9455553838
> http://yaishwaryaj-seva-sansthan.hpage.co.in/
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ?

The question we should ask is as follows:-

Why did Pandit Nehru who allegedly "championed" the legislation of the
"Hindu Code" of 1956, not repeal the Arya Marriage Validation Act when
all the similar pre-existing laws were repealed when the Hindu Code
was passed?

QED

On 10/11/12, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Mr Sarabjit singh sir you are coreectly mentioned plz refer the
> following:-
> An Act to recognise and remove doubts as to the validity of
> inter-marriages current among Arya Samajists.
>
> WHEREAS it is expedient to recognise and place beyond doubt the
> validity of inter-marriages of a class of Hindus known as Arya Samajists;
>
> It is hereby enacted as follows:-
>
> Short title and extent 1. (1) This Act may be called the Arya
> Marriage Validation Act, 1937.
>
>
>
> (2) It extends to the whole of 1[ Bangladesh] and applies also to all
> citizens of 2[ Bangladesh] wherever they may be.
>
>
>
>
>
> Marriage between Arya Samajists not to be invalid 2.
> Notwithstanding any provision of Hindu Law, usage or custom to the contrary,
> no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of this Act
> between two persons being at the time of the marriage Arya Samajists shall
> be invalid or shall be deemed ever to have been invalid by reason only of
> the fact that the parties at any time belonged to different castes or
> different sub-castes of Hindus or that either or both of the parties at any
> time before the marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism.
>
> prasad vaidya
> viadya
>
> --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ?
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 10:29 AM
>
> Dear DR MUTTHU,
>
> I assure you that such a law exists. Because IndiaCode website
> has an illegible copy, you may google for it using following search terms
>
> "no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of
> this Act shall be invalid by reason only of the fact that either or
> both of the parties at any time belonged at any time before the
> marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism"
>
> The said law is also valid in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
>
> ENJOY
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 10/10/12, Vishnu Mutthu <vishnu.mutthu@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Dear Dr Sarabjit
>>
>> This is indeed strange.
>> Can you please give name of special law made for Gandhi family so that
>> I can confirm from indicode website.
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ?

Mr Sarabjit singh sir you are coreectly mentioned  plz refer the following:-          An Act to recognise and remove doubts as to the validity of inter-marriages current among Arya Samajists.           WHEREAS it is expedient to recognise and place beyond doubt the validity of inter-marriages of a class of Hindus known as Arya Samajists; It is hereby enacted as follows:-             Short title and extent         1. (1) This Act may be called the Arya Marriage Validation Act, 1937. (2) It extends to the whole of 1[ Bangladesh] and applies also to all citizens of 2[ Bangladesh] wherever they may be.                                       Marriage between Arya Samajists not to be invalid         2. Notwithstanding any provision of Hindu Law, usage or custom to the contrary, no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of this Act between two persons being at the time of the marriage Arya Samajists shall be invalid or shall be deemed ever to have been invalid by reason only of the fact that the parties at any time belonged to different castes or different sub-castes of Hindus or that either or both of the parties at any time before the marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism. prasad vaidya viadya --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Mr. Bob ? To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 10:29 AM Dear DR MUTTHU, I assure you that such a law exists. Because IndiaCode website has an illegible copy, you may google for it using following search terms "no marriage contracted whether before or after the commencement of this Act shall be invalid by reason only of the fact that either or both of  the parties at any time belonged at any time before the marriage belonged to a religion other than Hinduism" The said law is also valid in Bangladesh and Pakistan. ENJOY Sarbajit On 10/10/12, Vishnu Mutthu <vishnu.mutthu@yahoo.fr> wrote: > Dear Dr Sarabjit > > This is indeed strange. > Can you please give name of special law made for Gandhi family so that > I can confirm from indicode website. >

Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Bob ?

very informative again, they r so special.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Bob ?

Dear Dr Mutthu

Before I can reply to your queries, can you please explain something to me.

Are your queries "pro-Congress" or "anti-Congress" ?

Every day I receive at least 10 emails (each) from people who think I
am either "pro" / "anti" Congress. My answer to all these people is
that I am "pro-India"

I can answer your question as follows:-

1) Robert is as legally married to Priyanka, as Rajeev was legally
married to Sonia, as Feroze was legally married to Indira, and so on.

2) The Gandhi family have enacted a special law for themselves which
allows a Christian / Muslim/ Parsi etc to marry another Christian /
Muslim / Parsi etc by HINDU rites and then promptly go back to being
their original Christian / Muslim / Parsi selves. All they have to do
is get somebody to declare that they are HINDUS AT
THE TIME OF THEIR MARRIAGE. In Robert's case they roped in 2 eminent
personalities as witnesses - President Shankar Dayal Sharma and Mr.
Amitabh Bachan.

3) If you don't believe me please read the Law on the "Indiacode"
website of Law Ministry

4) Is it not a shame when the Supreme Court in the 1995 Sarla Mudgal
judgment came hammering down on "colourable conversions" for purpose
of marriage, that this Gandhi parivar can still get away with this
nonsense.

Sarbajit

On 10/10/12, Vishnu Mutthu <vishnu.mutthu@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> If any one can explain for me.
>
> Is Robert Vadra(CHRISTIAN) who is married to Priyanka Gandhi
> (PARSI/CHRISTIAN) by "simple" Hindu wedding rites legally married in
> first place ?
> see photo of mariage
> http://weddingsutra.com/blog/index.php/tag/priyanka-gandhi/
>
> Is name of Priyanaka as Priyanka Gandhi or Priyanka Vadra
>
> Is name of Robert as Robert Vadra or Robert Gandhi (after Mr. Vadra's
> father legally disowned him and the son disowned father)
>
> Before raising questions and linking Robert Vadra to Sonia Gandhi, Mr
> Kerival and Mr Bhushan may please do their homework properly.
>
> Please forward this email to other groups and forums for wider publicity.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

this is very informative.

From: Naveen Johri <naveenjohri@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

great insight ....

Gandhi used to avail of the hospitality of Birlas and Bajajs and  many more....

 

these houses made a killing during WW II at the expence of fellow country men

 

Looks like the congress agents have penetrated in The Jan andolan, and other groups  trying to discredit the people who are trying to lead / build a movement against corruption and ultimately break them

 

AS NO BODY IS WITHOUT SIN.... HENCE NOBODY SHOULD WORK TOWARDS BUILDING A BETTER SOCIETY TO LIVE IN ...WITHOUT CORRUPTION ????

 

Good topic for armchair discussion from the cozy dawing rooms

 

 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Before Anna opens his mouth, let him explain how he accepted Dr.
Naresh Trehan's lavish medical treatment (who paid for it ?) at
Medanta Medicity (Gurgaon Haryana) built on land given at throw-away
price on condition of free treatment /. beds to BPL. Once land is
alloted, the plot is freeholded and HUDA says that now no need to give
free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part
of Medicity which is making 300% profit on its operations.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let Anna ensure that 100 free patients are treated by his friend Dr.
Trehan as "prayaschit".

No wonder Anna wants to talk only to impressionable youth, because all
the oldies have seen through his game and can expose him

On 10/10/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> In below article, the Anna has called people to join him. email to Join
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call the numbers for more details.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Youths-will-take-cause-ahead-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/16746257.cms
>
> PUNE: Social crusader Anna Hazare has said he has hopes from
> youths<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/youths> to
> take forward the cause of the Lokpal
> bill<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Lokpal-bill> and
> create awareness among the masses about the importance of the bill, the
> provision of the right to reject and the right to recall.
>
> He said he planned to remain in touch with the youths who wish to
> participate in the movement. In his latest blog, Hazare has said he will
> remain in touch through internet, e-mail and social media website like
> Facebook.
>
> Hazare has appealed to the youths who wish to join the movement to email
> their contact details, including mobile number and email ids, to
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call on phone numbers 02488-240401/240010 or write in
> to Ralegansiddhi, Tal - Parner, Dist - Ahmednagar, Pincode 414302.
>
> Hazare said, "Communication with youths will help chalk out future plans
> and programmes regarding the movement. It will also help to plan training
> workshops for them."
>
> He further said he plans to tour the country for the next one and half
> years to educate people and bring about awareness. He said it was important
> to give a thought as to how people's power should keep control over the
> government. "People have forgotten that their power is stronger than the
> government's," he said.
>
> Hazare said it was possible that people's pressure could get the Lokpal
> bill passed before 2014. However, the battle to bring about complete
> transformation will be long drawn and will go on for many years.
>
> He also said the government should bear the election expenses and the funds
> received by political parties for elections should be passed on to the
> government treasury, since it is actually people's money. "This will help
> put control on funds and contributions given to political parties. There is
> a need for a nation-wide agitation to press for this demand," Hazare added.
>

--
"Be kinder than necessary  
 because everyone you meet  
 is fighting some kind of battle."


Regards
NK Johri
044-24491003
09444412644

Re: [HumJanenge] Robert Vadra finances exposed by CIC A.N.Tiwari

With The Hindu's report, one should also find out the background history of DLF itself, who n which family owned the coy n its name initially n how Mr KP Singh came to be its owner than one may find out its connection with Haryana n Nehru family. Sir, Rao, Bahdur, Ch Lal Chand was a loyal servant of British empire who also remained a minister during British period He was only a Jat Barrister of his time. K P  Singh is married to his grand daughter n that's how he owned DLF rest some one more intelligent person can find out his further connection with the two families of Haryana n Nehru's n its deep relation with corruption.

Dear Sh Sarbajit,

 

Thank you for sharing this truthful article. Kudos to Sh AN Tiwari too.

Please recall, since Oct 2010, we as an independent Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) consulting company enthave been vociferously advocating strict and time bound implementation of National E Governance Plan (NEGP) at every seminar and through every forum just like each of the top 40 developed countries has done and they fall into top 40 index of least corrupt countries in the world. If this was done, every one how so ever powerful or connected up he or she is would get exposed instantaneously throwing up alerts to ROC (MCA), IT (MoF) and MoLJ and the system would automatically swing into action without any need of TV debate on prime TV on Vadra case wasting the time of the nation. The individual would face action automatically. These 40 countries do not have Lokpals but have irreversible e governance. Is not this proof enough that what India needs is NEGP more than Lokpals. Aadhah under the aegis of Nandan Nilekani is the most superb initiative which can easily answer the questions "who am I" and "eKYC". All it requires is to tightly link Aadhar with the rest of the NEGP and make available interface to Aadhar to all economic establishments public or private. 

God help us in next 5 years as the PM has raised the plan allocation from $1 tn to $3 tn for infrastructure development and politicians, corp houses, babus et al must be licking their fingers to fully exploit the next 5-7 years unless NEGP goes on steam full and final. 

 

With warm regards and Jai Hind,

Col Mahesh Khera

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; an.tiwari <an.tiwari@nic.in>
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:21 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Robert Vadra finances exposed by CIC A.N.Tiwari

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/behind-robert-vadras-fortune-a-maze-of-questions/article3975214.ece

In a bizarre sequence of events, the decision of IC (as he then was)
Mr. A.N.Tiwari in "K.Lall versus R.O.C" has allowed all the
information on Robert Vadra's companies to be made available
instantaneously and anonymously at Rs. 50 per company using the
internet.

Had the citizens applied in RTI, the PIOs would have denied the
information on so many grounds.

Thank you Mr. Tiwari-ji for your far sighted decision.

RE: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

Mr. Navin Johri,
 
We have in the society many individuals who don't understand the system nor do they understand themselves.
When they write against others, they do not want to be honest though thjey claim themselves to be honest individuals. 
 
Dr. Goyal

 

---

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:19 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team
From: naveenjohri@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

great insight ....

Gandhi used to avail of the hospitality of Birlas and Bajajs and  many more....

 

these houses made a killing during WW II at the expence of fellow country men

 

Looks like the congress agents have penetrated in The Jan andolan, and other groups  trying to discredit the people who are trying to lead / build a movement against corruption and ultimately break them

 

AS NO BODY IS WITHOUT SIN.... HENCE NOBODY SHOULD WORK TOWARDS BUILDING A BETTER SOCIETY TO LIVE IN ...WITHOUT CORRUPTION ????

 

Good topic for armchair discussion from the cozy dawing rooms

 

 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Before Anna opens his mouth, let him explain how he accepted Dr.
Naresh Trehan's lavish medical treatment (who paid for it ?) at
Medanta Medicity (Gurgaon Haryana) built on land given at throw-away
price on condition of free treatment /. beds to BPL. Once land is
alloted, the plot is freeholded and HUDA says that now no need to give
free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part
of Medicity which is making 300% profit on its operations.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let Anna ensure that 100 free patients are treated by his friend Dr.
Trehan as "prayaschit".

No wonder Anna wants to talk only to impressionable youth, because all
the oldies have seen through his game and can expose him

On 10/10/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> In below article, the Anna has called people to join him. email to Join
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call the numbers for more details.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Youths-will-take-cause-ahead-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/16746257.cms
>
> PUNE: Social crusader Anna Hazare has said he has hopes from
> youths<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/youths> to
> take forward the cause of the Lokpal
> bill<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Lokpal-bill> and
> create awareness among the masses about the importance of the bill, the
> provision of the right to reject and the right to recall.
>
> He said he planned to remain in touch with the youths who wish to
> participate in the movement. In his latest blog, Hazare has said he will
> remain in touch through internet, e-mail and social media website like
> Facebook.
>
> Hazare has appealed to the youths who wish to join the movement to email
> their contact details, including mobile number and email ids, to
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call on phone numbers 02488-240401/240010 or write in
> to Ralegansiddhi, Tal - Parner, Dist - Ahmednagar, Pincode 414302.
>
> Hazare said, "Communication with youths will help chalk out future plans
> and programmes regarding the movement. It will also help to plan training
> workshops for them."
>
> He further said he plans to tour the country for the next one and half
> years to educate people and bring about awareness. He said it was important
> to give a thought as to how people's power should keep control over the
> government. "People have forgotten that their power is stronger than the
> government's," he said.
>
> Hazare said it was possible that people's pressure could get the Lokpal
> bill passed before 2014. However, the battle to bring about complete
> transformation will be long drawn and will go on for many years.
>
> He also said the government should bear the election expenses and the funds
> received by political parties for elections should be passed on to the
> government treasury, since it is actually people's money. "This will help
> put control on funds and contributions given to political parties. There is
> a need for a nation-wide agitation to press for this demand," Hazare added.
>

--
"Be kinder than necessary  
 because everyone you meet  
 is fighting some kind of battle."


Regards
NK Johri
044-24491003
09444412644

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

sarbajit sir,
please provide me any document written by huda in which it has said that the plot is freeholded and that now no need to give free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part of Medicity. I need it urgently, as hearing on my appeal on the matter is scheduled on 10.11.2012 in SIC Haryana

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Naveen Johri <naveenjohri@gmail.com> wrote:

great insight ....

Gandhi used to avail of the hospitality of Birlas and Bajajs and  many more....

 

these houses made a killing during WW II at the expence of fellow country men

 

Looks like the congress agents have penetrated in The Jan andolan, and other groups  trying to discredit the people who are trying to lead / build a movement against corruption and ultimately break them

 

AS NO BODY IS WITHOUT SIN.... HENCE NOBODY SHOULD WORK TOWARDS BUILDING A BETTER SOCIETY TO LIVE IN ...WITHOUT CORRUPTION ????

 

Good topic for armchair discussion from the cozy dawing rooms

 

 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Before Anna opens his mouth, let him explain how he accepted Dr.
Naresh Trehan's lavish medical treatment (who paid for it ?) at
Medanta Medicity (Gurgaon Haryana) built on land given at throw-away
price on condition of free treatment /. beds to BPL. Once land is
alloted, the plot is freeholded and HUDA says that now no need to give
free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part
of Medicity which is making 300% profit on its operations.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let Anna ensure that 100 free patients are treated by his friend Dr.
Trehan as "prayaschit".

No wonder Anna wants to talk only to impressionable youth, because all
the oldies have seen through his game and can expose him

On 10/10/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> In below article, the Anna has called people to join him. email to Join
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call the numbers for more details.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Youths-will-take-cause-ahead-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/16746257.cms
>
> PUNE: Social crusader Anna Hazare has said he has hopes from
> youths<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/youths> to
> take forward the cause of the Lokpal
> bill<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Lokpal-bill> and
> create awareness among the masses about the importance of the bill, the
> provision of the right to reject and the right to recall.
>
> He said he planned to remain in touch with the youths who wish to
> participate in the movement. In his latest blog, Hazare has said he will
> remain in touch through internet, e-mail and social media website like
> Facebook.
>
> Hazare has appealed to the youths who wish to join the movement to email
> their contact details, including mobile number and email ids, to
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call on phone numbers 02488-240401/240010 or write in
> to Ralegansiddhi, Tal - Parner, Dist - Ahmednagar, Pincode 414302.
>
> Hazare said, "Communication with youths will help chalk out future plans
> and programmes regarding the movement. It will also help to plan training
> workshops for them."
>
> He further said he plans to tour the country for the next one and half
> years to educate people and bring about awareness. He said it was important
> to give a thought as to how people's power should keep control over the
> government. "People have forgotten that their power is stronger than the
> government's," he said.
>
> Hazare said it was possible that people's pressure could get the Lokpal
> bill passed before 2014. However, the battle to bring about complete
> transformation will be long drawn and will go on for many years.
>
> He also said the government should bear the election expenses and the funds
> received by political parties for elections should be passed on to the
> government treasury, since it is actually people's money. "This will help
> put control on funds and contributions given to political parties. There is
> a need for a nation-wide agitation to press for this demand," Hazare added.
>

--
"Be kinder than necessary  
 because everyone you meet  
 is fighting some kind of battle."


Regards
NK Johri
044-24491003
09444412644

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1722, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Robert Vadra finances exposed by CIC A.N.Tiwari

Dear Sh Sarbajit,

Thank you for sharing this truthful article. Kudos to Sh AN Tiwari too.

Please recall, since Oct 2010, we as an independent Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) consulting company have been vociferously advocating strict and time bound implementation of National E Governance Plan (NEGP) at every seminar and through every forum just like each of the top 40 developed countries has done and they fall into top 40 index of least corrupt countries in the world. If this was done, every one how so ever powerful or connected up he or she is would get exposed instantaneously throwing up alerts to ROC (MCA), IT (MoF) and MoLJ and the system would automatically swing into action without any need of TV debate on prime TV on Vadra case wasting the time of the nation. The individual would face action automatically. These 40 countries do not have Lokpals but have irreversible e governance. Is not this proof enough that what India needs is NEGP more than Lokpals. Aadhah under the aegis of Nandan Nilekani is the most superb initiative which can easily answer the questions "who am I" and "eKYC". All it requires is to tightly link Aadhar with the rest of the NEGP and make available interface to Aadhar to all economic establishments public or private. 

God help us in next 5 years as the PM has raised the plan allocation from $1 tn to $3 tn for infrastructure development and politicians, corp houses, babus et al must be licking their fingers to fully exploit the next 5-7 years unless NEGP goes on steam full and final. 

 

With warm regards and Jai Hind,

Col Mahesh Khera

---

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; an.tiwari <an.tiwari@nic.in>
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:21 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Robert Vadra finances exposed by CIC A.N.Tiwari

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/behind-robert-vadras-fortune-a-maze-of-questions/article3975214.ece

In a bizarre sequence of events, the decision of IC (as he then was)
Mr. A.N.Tiwari in "K.Lall versus R.O.C" has allowed all the
information on Robert Vadra's companies to be made available
instantaneously and anonymously at Rs. 50 per company using the
internet.

Had the citizens applied in RTI, the PIOs would have denied the
information on so many grounds.

Thank you Mr. Tiwari-ji for your far sighted decision.

[HumJanenge] Robert Vadra finances exposed by CIC A.N.Tiwari

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/behind-robert-vadras-fortune-a-maze-of-questions/article3975214.ece

In a bizarre sequence of events, the decision of IC (as he then was)
Mr. A.N.Tiwari in "K.Lall versus R.O.C" has allowed all the
information on Robert Vadra's companies to be made available
instantaneously and anonymously at Rs. 50 per company using the
internet.

Had the citizens applied in RTI, the PIOs would have denied the
information on so many grounds.

Thank you Mr. Tiwari-ji for your far sighted decision.

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

great insight ....

Gandhi used to avail of the hospitality of Birlas and Bajajs and  many more....

 

these houses made a killing during WW II at the expence of fellow country men

 

Looks like the congress agents have penetrated in The Jan andolan, and other groups  trying to discredit the people who are trying to lead / build a movement against corruption and ultimately break them

 

AS NO BODY IS WITHOUT SIN.... HENCE NOBODY SHOULD WORK TOWARDS BUILDING A BETTER SOCIETY TO LIVE IN ...WITHOUT CORRUPTION ????

 

Good topic for armchair discussion from the cozy dawing rooms

 

 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Before Anna opens his mouth, let him explain how he accepted Dr.
Naresh Trehan's lavish medical treatment (who paid for it ?) at
Medanta Medicity (Gurgaon Haryana) built on land given at throw-away
price on condition of free treatment /. beds to BPL. Once land is
alloted, the plot is freeholded and HUDA says that now no need to give
free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part
of Medicity which is making 300% profit on its operations.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let Anna ensure that 100 free patients are treated by his friend Dr.
Trehan as "prayaschit".

No wonder Anna wants to talk only to impressionable youth, because all
the oldies have seen through his game and can expose him

On 10/10/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> In below article, the Anna has called people to join him. email to Join
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call the numbers for more details.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Youths-will-take-cause-ahead-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/16746257.cms
>
> PUNE: Social crusader Anna Hazare has said he has hopes from
> youths<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/youths> to
> take forward the cause of the Lokpal
> bill<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Lokpal-bill> and
> create awareness among the masses about the importance of the bill, the
> provision of the right to reject and the right to recall.
>
> He said he planned to remain in touch with the youths who wish to
> participate in the movement. In his latest blog, Hazare has said he will
> remain in touch through internet, e-mail and social media website like
> Facebook.
>
> Hazare has appealed to the youths who wish to join the movement to email
> their contact details, including mobile number and email ids, to
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call on phone numbers 02488-240401/240010 or write in
> to Ralegansiddhi, Tal - Parner, Dist - Ahmednagar, Pincode 414302.
>
> Hazare said, "Communication with youths will help chalk out future plans
> and programmes regarding the movement. It will also help to plan training
> workshops for them."
>
> He further said he plans to tour the country for the next one and half
> years to educate people and bring about awareness. He said it was important
> to give a thought as to how people's power should keep control over the
> government. "People have forgotten that their power is stronger than the
> government's," he said.
>
> Hazare said it was possible that people's pressure could get the Lokpal
> bill passed before 2014. However, the battle to bring about complete
> transformation will be long drawn and will go on for many years.
>
> He also said the government should bear the election expenses and the funds
> received by political parties for elections should be passed on to the
> government treasury, since it is actually people's money. "This will help
> put control on funds and contributions given to political parties. There is
> a need for a nation-wide agitation to press for this demand," Hazare added.
>

--
"Be kinder than necessary  
 because everyone you meet  
 is fighting some kind of battle."


Regards
NK Johri
044-24491003
09444412644

[HumJanenge] Re: Youths will take cause ahead: Anna Hazare JOIN Anna Team

Before Anna opens his mouth, let him explain how he accepted Dr.
Naresh Trehan's lavish medical treatment (who paid for it ?) at
Medanta Medicity (Gurgaon Haryana) built on land given at throw-away
price on condition of free treatment /. beds to BPL. Once land is
alloted, the plot is freeholded and HUDA says that now no need to give
free treatment to BPL - it is only voluntary and discretionary on part
of Medicity which is making 300% profit on its operations.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Let Anna ensure that 100 free patients are treated by his friend Dr.
Trehan as "prayaschit".

No wonder Anna wants to talk only to impressionable youth, because all
the oldies have seen through his game and can expose him

On 10/10/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> In below article, the Anna has called people to join him. email to Join
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call the numbers for more details.
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Youths-will-take-cause-ahead-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/16746257.cms
>
> PUNE: Social crusader Anna Hazare has said he has hopes from
> youths<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/youths> to
> take forward the cause of the Lokpal
> bill<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Lokpal-bill> and
> create awareness among the masses about the importance of the bill, the
> provision of the right to reject and the right to recall.
>
> He said he planned to remain in touch with the youths who wish to
> participate in the movement. In his latest blog, Hazare has said he will
> remain in touch through internet, e-mail and social media website like
> Facebook.
>
> Hazare has appealed to the youths who wish to join the movement to email
> their contact details, including mobile number and email ids, to
> joinbvja@gmail.com or call on phone numbers 02488-240401/240010 or write in
> to Ralegansiddhi, Tal - Parner, Dist - Ahmednagar, Pincode 414302.
>
> Hazare said, "Communication with youths will help chalk out future plans
> and programmes regarding the movement. It will also help to plan training
> workshops for them."
>
> He further said he plans to tour the country for the next one and half
> years to educate people and bring about awareness. He said it was important
> to give a thought as to how people's power should keep control over the
> government. "People have forgotten that their power is stronger than the
> government's," he said.
>
> Hazare said it was possible that people's pressure could get the Lokpal
> bill passed before 2014. However, the battle to bring about complete
> transformation will be long drawn and will go on for many years.
>
> He also said the government should bear the election expenses and the funds
> received by political parties for elections should be passed on to the
> government treasury, since it is actually people's money. "This will help
> put control on funds and contributions given to political parties. There is
> a need for a nation-wide agitation to press for this demand," Hazare added.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: PUBLIC GRIEVANCE: RTI Public Hearing on 11.Oct.2012

Dr. Mutthu has stated that Arvind's name is not on list of "Life
Members" of NCPRI.
I was myself searching for the list of Life Members after the last
post, but now the entire list seems to have been removed. For
instance, people like Raja John Bunch etc have been zapped from NCPRI.
There is some sort of civil war going on within NCPRI and I'm sure the
new list of Life Members will reflect whoever controls this rag-tag
organisation eventually

On 10/10/12, Surendera M. Bhanot <bhanot1952@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Vishnu,
>
> Kejriwal.s name still appears at #3 of the Working Commitee of the NCPRI
> (see http://righttoinformation.info/about-us/working-committee-members/ ).
> The list as on 11:20 hrs on 10 Oct 2012 is as under
>
> Working Committee Members
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> LIST OF MEMBERS > Working Committee Members
>
> 1. Anjali Bhardwaj
> 2. Aruna Roy
> *3. Arvind Kejriwal*
> 4. Bharat Dogra
> 5. Harsh Mander
> 6. Maja Daruwala
> 7. Nikhil Dey
> 8. Prashant Bhushan
> 9. Shekhar Singh
> 10. Suman Sahai
> 11. Vishaish Uppal
> 12. Angela Rangad
> 13. V. Suresh
> 14. Jagdeep Chhokar
> 15. Trilochan Sastry
> 16. Samir Acharya
> 17. Balraj Puri
> 18. Manesh Kumar Gupta
> 19. Venkatesh Nayak
> 20. Jagmohan Singh
> 21. P. Wangchuk
> 22. Debu Bandhopadhya
> 23. Harivansh
> 24. Sandeep Pande
> 25. Vinay Mahajan
>
> The NCPRI would like to acknowledge the continual support, encouragement
> and guidance provided by S R Sankaran, Prakash Kardaley, Prabhash Joshi and
> Ajit Bhattacharjea to its movement for greater accountability and
> transparency in governance and beyond.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:03 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I shall certainly wear my "T-shorts" aka V-cut Frenchie to the CIC
>> convention in fond memory of Mr. Rakesh Agrawal (formerly of
>> NyayaBhoomi) and his "Sack CIC" initiative at the first CIC
>> convention.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> Vishnu Mutthu wrote:
>> > Dear Mr Sarabjit
>> >
>> > Excellent and bravo.
>> > Your golden words will be framed and displayed on T-shorts at RTI
>> conference.
>> > few humble suggestions:
>> >
>> > 'CIC Satyananda is pet poodle of Aruna Roy who is pet poodle of Sonia'
>> > 'Save RTI feed the dogs'
>> >
>> > BTW, has anyone notice Mr Kejrival's name has been deleted from "life
>> > membership" of NCPRI on NCPRI website. All the rats are deserting the
>> > sinking ship.
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:07:54 AM UTC+5:30, sarbajit roy wrote:
>> >
>> > To:
>> > Shri Satyananda Mishra ji
>> > Chief Information Commissioner of India
>> > August Kranti Bhawan
>> > New Delhi
>> >
>> > BY EMAIL
>> >
>> > 10-Oct-2012
>> >
>> > Respected Sir
>> >
>> > I refer to the news report in the Hindustan Times concerning your
>> > attendance at a so-called public hearing ("jan sunwai") called by
>> some
>> > NGOs omn Thus 11.Oct.2012 the day before the CIC's Convention.
>> >
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Public-hearing-on-RTI-ahead-of-its-7th-anniversary/Article1-942230.aspx
>> >
>> > The pendency at the CIC has rocketed out of all control under your
>> > esteemed stewardship. The citizens are crying out for speedy
>> > hearing
>> > and functioning Information Commissions and Commissioners.
>> >
>> > Instead we have the unseemly spectacle of public servants bunking
>> > their offices to waste time on jamborees and junkets organised by
>> > professional RTI touts. Your association with such dubious people
>> > can
>> > only tarnish your image while enhancing theirs.
>> >
>> > The citizens, ie the stake holder who use RTI, like me are
>> > aggrieved
>> > and desire to know why / how the same set of NCPRI persons who are
>> > calling this "jan sunwai" meeting, Ms. Aruna Roy, Mr Wajahat
>> > Habibullah, Mr. Venkatesh Nayak are also the only "private" persons
>> > who are on the panels for the CIC's own RTI Convention thereafter
>> year
>> > after year.
>> >
>> > Is the DoPT's and various State Govt budgeted funds to transport
>> > and
>> > host Information Commissioners to Delhi for the CIC's RTI
>> > promotional
>> > Convention being instead used to subsidise this Private enterprise
>> > ?
>> >
>> > It is certainly a matter of great shame that you have apparently
>> > accepted an invitation to attend a so-called jan sunwai organised
>> > by
>> > the same NCPRI people who engineered the 500 word RTI rule on the
>> > citizen stakeholders by misusing the office of the Chairperson NAC.
>> >
>> > It is an even greater shame that you are attending a function
>> > organised by the very same NGO which Mr. Shailesh Gandhi was the
>> > convenor of prior to his becoming an Information Commissioner, and
>> who
>> > caused the abomination of the CIC's senior officers filing a Writ
>> > Petition against him due to his corrupt and high handed ways, and
>> > which has led to this present situation of the judiciary
>> > interfering
>> > in the composition of the Commissions due to his idiotic decisions
>> >
>> > It is a complete joke and fraud on the citizens, that whereas the
>> > Chief Information Commissioner of India will attend like a pet
>> > poodle
>> > when summoned to Ms. Aruna Roy's private jan sunwai bash, that only
>> > Ms. Aruna Roy and her junior lap dogs (like Mr. Venkatesh Nayak)
>> > are
>> > apparently the only citizens the CIC can find to speak from the
>> panels
>> > of the CIC's publicly funded conventions.
>> >
>> > Sir, let us be very honest and admit that the CIC's annual RTI
>> > Conventions (funded by the tax payer) are only organised every year
>> so
>> > that the NCPRI RTI touts (funded by Google, DFID, CIA etc and
>> > patronised by the Chairperson NAC) can socialise with Information
>> > Commissioners and carry on their RTI lobbying / spying business in
>> > Info Commissions all over the country. Furthermore it is an open
>> > secret that you personally have no say whatsoever either in running
>> > the CIC or in selecting who the panelists / speakers will be, but
>> that
>> > your personal honesty and integrity is never in doubt
>> >
>> > yours in disgust, etc etc.
>> >
>> > Sarbajit Roy
>> > New Delhi
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *GREETINGS AND WARM REGARDS
>
> Surendera M. Bhanot*
> - Coordinator, *RTIFED <http://www.rtifed.com/>*, Punjab Chandigarh
> - President, *RTI Help & Assistance* <http://www.rtihelp.in%20> Forum
> Chandigarh
> - Life Member, *Chandigarh Consumers Association*
> - Youth for Human Rights International - *YHRI
> <http://yhrisouthasia.ning.com/group/leadershipinyouth>*- South Asia
> - Jt. Secretary, Amateur Judo Association of Chandigarh
> - Member, *SPACE <http://www.thespace.org.in>*- Society for Promotion and
> Conservation of Environment, Chandigarh
> *No. 3758, Sector 22-D, Chandigarh-160022
> Mob: 919-888-810-811
> PHONE: 91-172-5000970
> FAX: 91-172-5000970*
> *Mail Me* <bhanot1952@gmail.com>
>

[HumJanenge] Re: PUBLIC GRIEVANCE: RTI Public Hearing on 11.Oct.2012

I shall certainly wear my "T-shorts" aka V-cut Frenchie to the CIC
convention in fond memory of Mr. Rakesh Agrawal (formerly of
NyayaBhoomi) and his "Sack CIC" initiative at the first CIC
convention.

Sarbajit

Vishnu Mutthu wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarabjit
>
> Excellent and bravo.
> Your golden words will be framed and displayed on T-shorts at RTI conference.
> few humble suggestions:
>
> 'CIC Satyananda is pet poodle of Aruna Roy who is pet poodle of Sonia'
> 'Save RTI feed the dogs'
>
> BTW, has anyone notice Mr Kejrival's name has been deleted from "life
> membership" of NCPRI on NCPRI website. All the rats are deserting the
> sinking ship.
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:07:54 AM UTC+5:30, sarbajit roy wrote:
>
> To:
> Shri Satyananda Mishra ji
> Chief Information Commissioner of India
> August Kranti Bhawan
> New Delhi
>
> BY EMAIL
>
> 10-Oct-2012
>
> Respected Sir
>
> I refer to the news report in the Hindustan Times concerning your
> attendance at a so-called public hearing ("jan sunwai") called by some
> NGOs omn Thus 11.Oct.2012 the day before the CIC's Convention.
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Public-hearing-on-RTI-ahead-of-its-7th-anniversary/Article1-942230.aspx
>
> The pendency at the CIC has rocketed out of all control under your
> esteemed stewardship. The citizens are crying out for speedy hearing
> and functioning Information Commissions and Commissioners.
>
> Instead we have the unseemly spectacle of public servants bunking
> their offices to waste time on jamborees and junkets organised by
> professional RTI touts. Your association with such dubious people can
> only tarnish your image while enhancing theirs.
>
> The citizens, ie the stake holder who use RTI, like me are aggrieved
> and desire to know why / how the same set of NCPRI persons who are
> calling this "jan sunwai" meeting, Ms. Aruna Roy, Mr Wajahat
> Habibullah, Mr. Venkatesh Nayak are also the only "private" persons
> who are on the panels for the CIC's own RTI Convention thereafter year
> after year.
>
> Is the DoPT's and various State Govt budgeted funds to transport and
> host Information Commissioners to Delhi for the CIC's RTI promotional
> Convention being instead used to subsidise this Private enterprise ?
>
> It is certainly a matter of great shame that you have apparently
> accepted an invitation to attend a so-called jan sunwai organised by
> the same NCPRI people who engineered the 500 word RTI rule on the
> citizen stakeholders by misusing the office of the Chairperson NAC.
>
> It is an even greater shame that you are attending a function
> organised by the very same NGO which Mr. Shailesh Gandhi was the
> convenor of prior to his becoming an Information Commissioner, and who
> caused the abomination of the CIC's senior officers filing a Writ
> Petition against him due to his corrupt and high handed ways, and
> which has led to this present situation of the judiciary interfering
> in the composition of the Commissions due to his idiotic decisions
>
> It is a complete joke and fraud on the citizens, that whereas the
> Chief Information Commissioner of India will attend like a pet poodle
> when summoned to Ms. Aruna Roy's private jan sunwai bash, that only
> Ms. Aruna Roy and her junior lap dogs (like Mr. Venkatesh Nayak) are
> apparently the only citizens the CIC can find to speak from the panels
> of the CIC's publicly funded conventions.
>
> Sir, let us be very honest and admit that the CIC's annual RTI
> Conventions (funded by the tax payer) are only organised every year so
> that the NCPRI RTI touts (funded by Google, DFID, CIA etc and
> patronised by the Chairperson NAC) can socialise with Information
> Commissioners and carry on their RTI lobbying / spying business in
> Info Commissions all over the country. Furthermore it is an open
> secret that you personally have no say whatsoever either in running
> the CIC or in selecting who the panelists / speakers will be, but that
> your personal honesty and integrity is never in doubt
>
> yours in disgust, etc etc.
>
> Sarbajit Roy
> New Delhi