| Hello Mr Gupta, Why dont you file your RTI Application through Money Order. Both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha accept Money Orders. This is a tried and tested methods by old hands of RTI Act 2005. Manoj --- On Sat, 4/7/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Saturday, April 7, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha
Re: [HumJanenge] IC SG Orders CPIO of CIC to file FIR for missing info.
Indeed the appellant Mr. Vijendar Singh, of Meerut is a subscriber of this list. I have copied this reply to him with a request that he could shed some light on this decision.
Your observation that this second appeal was time barred is correct. However, we are also aware that a lot of CPIOs have been saved of the gallows of penalty for delay in providing the information.
You might like to check this decision where the CPIO provided the information to an RTI Application dated 27/06/2011 and received by him on 13/07/2012 only on 29/02/2012. In short, the information was provided nine months late. Further, this information was provided only three days before the date of the hearing of the same IC. Check below :-
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_A_2012_000491_18226_M_79654.pdf
So looking on the bright side, the CIC has given the benefit of doubt / delay to an appellant in one decision and that of the respondent on another.
Sheldon's favorite quote "Even in my sleep-deprived state, I've managed to pull off another one of my classic pranks. BAZINGA"
Manoj
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> recall
> thatappellant Mr. Vijendra Singh of Meerut may be on our
> group,
> perhaps he can assist us.
>
> Sarbajit
>
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Re: [HumJanenge] IC SG Orders CPIO of CIC to file FIR for missing info.
My Dear Manoj
IC(SG) has ordered the CPIO of the C'IC to file the said Police
Complaint for "theft" / Loss of certain documents.
What I am surprised about is why IC(SG) took .2 years to take up this
appeal despite it being time barred as filed well outside the 90 days
allowed in law.
As usual I suspect foul play in IC(SG)'s Registry. As I recall
thatappellant Mr. Vijendra Singh of Meerut may be on our group,
perhaps he can assist us.
Sarbajit
On 4/7/12, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is an interesting case of where the IC SG Ordered the CPIO of the CIC
> to file a police complain on missing file.
>
> "If the files are not located he will file a police complaint for the
> theft/loss of the said files and send a copy of the complaint to the
> Appellant"
>
> http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_WB_A_2010_000161_SG_18218_M_79487.pdf
>
> What I am surprised, is that he did not pull up the FAA of the CIC for not
> disposing the First Appeal of the appellant.
>
> Manoj
>
[HumJanenge] IC DS slaps Max Penalty on CPIO of Income Tax
In yet another decision, IC Deepak Sandhu has imposed maximum penalty of Rs.25,000/- on the CPIO of Income Tax Mumbai.
It is interesting to read the flimsy excuses made by the CPIO to explain the delay in providing information.
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_C_2011_000143_T_79780.pdf
Looks like this decision might be challenged in High Court.
Manoj
[HumJanenge] IC DS Imposes Max Penalty on CPIO of LIC
In a strong worded decision, not only has IC Deepak Sandhu imposed maximum penalty on the CPIO of LIC Bareilly but also pulled up the FAA by ordering :The FAA has also demonstrated his complete ignorance on the practical
application of the RTI Law. The Sr. Div. Manager is directed to assign the FAA to a rigorous period of training so that he can satisfactorily discharge his obligations as per the provisions of the Act."
application of the RTI Law. The Sr. Div. Manager is directed to assign the FAA to a rigorous period of training so that he can satisfactorily discharge his obligations as per the provisions of the Act."
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_A_2011_000501_T_79779.pdf
Looking forward to more such strong decisions from IC DS.
Manoj
[HumJanenge] Interesting decision by IC DG
IC Deepak Sandhu has given us several interesting decision. I have listed three decisions, all service matter related, but worth going through.
The Commission recommends to the Secretary, "to further enquire into the matter as to how .....he has shown the period of apprenticeship of the appellant as two years thereby misleading the appellant and causing detriment to him."
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_A_2011_000900_T_79788.pdf
The Commission order "to do a full search of the record room of the section where old files are held and also have a thorough search done of the almirah which holds the current files."
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_A_2011_000548_T_79792.pdf
Compensation for mental harassment to applicant.
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_DS_A_2011_000842_T_79786.pdf
Manoj
[HumJanenge] IC SG Orders CPIO of CIC to file FIR for missing info.
Here is an interesting case of where the IC SG Ordered the CPIO of the CIC to file a police complain on missing file.
"If the files are not located he will file a police complaint for the theft/loss of the said files and send a copy of the complaint to the Appellant"
http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_WB_A_2010_000161_SG_18218_M_79487.pdf
What I am surprised, is that he did not pull up the FAA of the CIC for not disposing the First Appeal of the appellant.
Manoj
Re: [HumJanenge] A very big Mischief by Insdian Express
well said n well covered. there is no civ incl def min knows how army function inside but still every body wish comments on army functions n it create a lot of confusion n at times it can go to a horrible level as in this case.Media knows well how to make a hill out of a mole just to sensitise the issue or to sell it's news paper but they must draw a line spec in case of defence forces.
From: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
To: Harbhajan Singh <genharbhajansingh@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] A very big Mischief by Insdian Express
To: Harbhajan Singh <genharbhajansingh@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] A very big Mischief by Insdian Express
Here are my considered views please.
Brig R S Chhikara
Re: [HumJanenge] India's Dismal Progress in Infrastructure Development in Last Two Decades - Babudom is Curse for India
Dear Friends,
I am now sharing something to ponder about seriously. While corruption is rampant, the babudom incompetence is ubiquitous, a far more serious disease as it has already spread to all projects. Corruption is still uncovered through various means of whistle blowing, leaks, media etc., it is babudom incompetence which has never been even gauged leave aside discussed. The country would have eradicated poverty by now. Please read on.
Take a simple example of the current $ trillion financial outlay for the current plan, a whopping 5,000,000 Cr. Going by the past experience of 63 years, all projects have got delayed, have had twice the cost and time over runs. If we are to take the stock of all 13 five year plans, half of the financial outlay has been wasted and twice the time has been taken to complete government projects at twice the cost. All this is the direct responsibility and accountability of babudom and not politicians who come and go every five years and are shifted from one ministry to another regularly. Babus serve for their life. Let's take a theoretical scenario, if all projects get completed within the budget and time, the country would have surpassed China in economic development by now. The truth is some where in between. 50 % projects should get completed within budget and time and 50 % may have 1.5 times the budget and time over runs. India still matches China in economic development. The poverty if not fully eliminated is reduced drastically.
To summarize, while most netas are surely fooling us by their corrupt practices, babudom is the single source of incompetence and incapability being promoted day in and day out due to their zero accountability in stark contrast to babudom in China. The present practice of babudom has amply demonstrated that if country continues to vest in them the responsibility for regulations, policy, adminsitration and hardest job of execution of vital infrastructure projects, we are doomed for ever. The wisdom is to separate the regulations, policy making and administration from the hardest job of delivering projects on ground. Let the babudom (IAS and others) continue with regulation, policy making and administration but national GDP growth driving projects of roads, airports, power, aviation, health, education, agriculture, rail, transportation, telecom, e governance etc etc be never given to the babudom. Let this responsibility be taken over by what Narayanamurthy aptly calls Indian Management Service (IMS). Let the IAS be vertically split into IAS and IMS. All projects are run by professional boards with industry nominees too apart from regulation and policy representative. The direct responsibility and accountability of projects delivery will be that of IMS with separate cadre rules akin to industry executives.
Here is an opportunity. Hope our learned netas, civil society people, industry tycoons, media and most importantly, we the people, are listening and for once we all get united and give shape to this revolution in the country.
Jai Hind.
With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera
From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] India's Dismal Progress in Infrastructure Development in Last Two Decades - Babudom is Curse for India
We seem to be barking at the wrong tree here. By the way our honorable pm is also an erstwhile babu?
Maybe we are running around circles.
Regards.
Maybe we are running around circles.
Regards.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,Ever wondered why India has lagged in infrastructure development since 1990 ? The real reason is not the politicians and the greedy corporate houses but the Indian babudom.Latest, Kochi Metro, conceptualized in 2005 costing 2500 Cr has been cleared only now. The cost has escalated to 5100 Cr. The reason, babudom wanted it to be a Public Pvt Partnership PPP project. No private investor would come in any project where the ROI is not reasonable for them. Babus always want projects to come up as PPP as it gives them multiple cash cows to milk. The country can go to dogs. Babudom alone is responsible for India to lag behind China. Imagine, this is just one small tip of the iceberg, a metro project in Kochi delayed by 7 years with cost overrun of 2600 Cr. All infrastructure projects in the country are costing more than double with a delay of 5 to 7 years only due to the incompetence of babudom with no responsibility and accountability enjoying uninterrupted job and perks till 65 years of age. If even 1/100th of such callous performance was demonstrated in a private sector, the guy would be thrown out in less than a year.Should we file RTIs to get the details of all infrastructure projects in the country like start date, end date, cost and check the status today ? I think, almost all infrastructure projects at the end of this RTI exercise would land up in courts through PILs. I am not sure whether we really have any solution.Imagine, the honorable PM has enhanced the financial outlay for the current plan to a trllion $ or INR 5,000,000 Cr. Babudom would be responsible, as has been so since 1990, for wasting half of this outlay due to incompetence and very poor decision making and taking double the time to completion. China has hugely accountable babudom and thus is on track to be No 1 economy very soon.It is time we found a solution to this babudom becoming the real bane in removing the poverty in the country. Politicians are busy in milking the land and babus are busy in milking the infrastructure projects. The people of the country are taken for a ride.Can we the people demand babus in-charge of these projects to come on National DD and give monthly progress of these projects in an hour long program ? Can the cabinet secy voluntarily organize such monthly briefing to the people on TV by his colleagues who are in-charge of various projects ? Really, no answer indeed.Dear honorable PM Sir, hope you are taking cognizance of these things and would take action to set things right.With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera
Friday, April 6, 2012
Re: [HumJanenge]
| Use mother site www.india.gov.in All under 1 roof. Rgds Bunch --- On Sat, 7/4/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
|
Re: [HumJanenge] India's Dismal Progress in Infrastructure Development in Last Two Decades - Babudom is Curse for India
We seem to be barking at the wrong tree here. By the way our honorable pm is also an erstwhile babu?
Maybe we are running around circles.
Regards.
Maybe we are running around circles.
Regards.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,Ever wondered why India has lagged in infrastructure development since 1990 ? The real reason is not the politicians and the greedy corporate houses but the Indian babudom.Latest, Kochi Metro, conceptualized in 2005 costing 2500 Cr has been cleared only now. The cost has escalated to 5100 Cr. The reason, babudom wanted it to be a Public Pvt Partnership PPP project. No private investor would come in any project where the ROI is not reasonable for them. Babus always want projects to come up as PPP as it gives them multiple cash cows to milk. The country can go to dogs. Babudom alone is responsible for India to lag behind China. Imagine, this is just one small tip of the iceberg, a metro project in Kochi delayed by 7 years with cost overrun of 2600 Cr. All infrastructure projects in the country are costing more than double with a delay of 5 to 7 years only due to the incompetence of babudom with no responsibility and accountability enjoying uninterrupted job and perks till 65 years of age. If even 1/100th of such callous performance was demonstrated in a private sector, the guy would be thrown out in less than a year.Should we file RTIs to get the details of all infrastructure projects in the country like start date, end date, cost and check the status today ? I think, almost all infrastructure projects at the end of this RTI exercise would land up in courts through PILs. I am not sure whether we really have any solution.Imagine, the honorable PM has enhanced the financial outlay for the current plan to a trllion $ or INR 5,000,000 Cr. Babudom would be responsible, as has been so since 1990, for wasting half of this outlay due to incompetence and very poor decision making and taking double the time to completion. China has hugely accountable babudom and thus is on track to be No 1 economy very soon.It is time we found a solution to this babudom becoming the real bane in removing the poverty in the country. Politicians are busy in milking the land and babus are busy in milking the infrastructure projects. The people of the country are taken for a ride.Can we the people demand babus in-charge of these projects to come on National DD and give monthly progress of these projects in an hour long program ? Can the cabinet secy voluntarily organize such monthly briefing to the people on TV by his colleagues who are in-charge of various projects ? Really, no answer indeed.Dear honorable PM Sir, hope you are taking cognizance of these things and would take action to set things right.With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Actually the hemantji brought an interest in just,as one was going thru this thread.
Now, the issue is abt anomalies in an state udyog and its management policies.Am sure one has to go thru the intricacies of the particular matter, but by and large the MAIN issue here is the PSUs run under the aegis of the govt, and funded by tax moneys.
This provides the powers to manipulate the running of same but at someone else cost.
We can see rti can reveal the problems but not the solutions.
Where can the answer lie.. issues, fdi..
Now, the issue is abt anomalies in an state udyog and its management policies.Am sure one has to go thru the intricacies of the particular matter, but by and large the MAIN issue here is the PSUs run under the aegis of the govt, and funded by tax moneys.
This provides the powers to manipulate the running of same but at someone else cost.
We can see rti can reveal the problems but not the solutions.
Where can the answer lie.. issues, fdi..
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Your example is trivial.
It could have been better stated as "Mr. Roy is USELESS dictator"
That is the difference in approach between a RTI "activist" and
a RTI "exponent"
Sarbajit
> *
On 4/6/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Writing in the Capital words means "Shouting", This has to be done
> sparingly.
> *> Roy is useless *DICTATOR*" And Cap+Bold+Italics makes a reference to that
> Like for example "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" it would emphasis word
> "dictator" as it is the nature that we must state not the other part...
> Making Capital letter bold alway provide more weightage to the word like
> "Mr.
> word only not the entire sentence ""Mr. Roy is useless *DICTATOR*".
>
> Please do not use different colors and prefer black and never use red as it
> has different denominations.
>
> I hope Mr. Roy will except the statement above without any problems.
>
> Regards,
[HumJanenge]
I want to know the name and address of the PIO, Rajya Sabha for mailing an RTI. tried to find out from the RS website but was unable, found information there in unsystematic manner.
shall be grateful for this favour.
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Dear Mahesh
Ask the PM to enquire into these allegations ?
Does Manmohan Singh have any statuire ?
Does Manmohan Singh have any power ?
Does Manmohan Singh have any BALLS ?
and Lastly is Manmohan even a SINGH ???
Lets cut directly to the chase.,
There's general dissatisfaction against the Congress. Party, and
frankly the Congress Party has no real leaders at the present time and
neither does the BJP (with 1 prominent "unacceptable" option) .
There's general dissatisfaction against "corruption"
STRATEGICALLY, This is the best time for the Army to make its move and
TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY and keep Manmohan Singh on as PM. He's already a
rubber stamp, now he'll be a rubber stamp for an Indian ruler.
Shekhar Gupta's story was only a flimsy diversion. After all who would
believe a "coup" story again YAWN !!!
Bluff and TRIPLE BLUFF !!
Here's to you Mr. V.K. Singh,
LETS MAKE YOU THE NEXT COMPROMISE CANDIDATE FOR RASHTRAPATI BHAWAN.
Oops, I've let Mr Devasahayam's cat prematurely out of the bag !!!
Sarbajit
On 4/5/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> With all such things coming out, we need to know the truth.
>
> This is an opportunity to try to set the erring people right as per the laws
> of the state including hitherto holy cow press i.e, IE if they are at fault.
>
> I am of the opinion that there should be an impartial inquiry from the
> office of the honorable PM to set things right.
>
> Let the honorable members of HJ Group give their opinion. If in favor,
> approach the honorable PM for the needful.
>
> With warm regards,
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 8:35 PM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an
> Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
>
> Dear Rahul
>
> The 3 weeks is 3 weeks before today and not 3 weeks before 16/17th
> Jan.
>
> As such this is further proof that VKS knew about the muck that was
> going to be thrown and was simply attempting to deflect it in advance.
>
> Let him name ALL the middlemen, or will it be only those from the
> "other" camp ?
>
> Lets settle this matter once and for all. Nobody with the surname
> SINGH should be allowed into the Armed Forces except as jawan or NCO
> and induct as MANY of them as you can get.
> .
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 5, 7:00 pm, Rahul Kumar <rahulk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Sarbajit,
>>
>> Today's news of Gen VK warning for such a spook 3 weeks back should rest
>> all doubts
>>
>> This is all designed by the Politicians, Babu's and middlemen incl some
>> vested ones from the forces.
>> They know that someone with b.... has taken up the challenge of bringing
>> the middlemen to the forefront.
>> Remember he could have retired to a much khushi life as Governor or with
>> the small amount being offered to him but he did not.
>>
>> Integrity and honesty is nothing but lack of opportunity - so when you
>> have the opportunity and then raise your voice - you stand tall above ALL!
>>
>> rgds
>> rahul
>>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Your example is trivial.
It could have been better stated as "Mr. Roy is USELESS dictator"
That is the difference in approach between a RTI "activist" and
a RTI "exponent"
Sarbajit
On 4/6/12, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Writing in the Capital words means "Shouting", This has to be done
> sparingly.
> *
> *
> Like for example "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" it would emphasis word
> "dictator" as it is the nature that we must state not the other part...
> Making Capital letter bold alway provide more weightage to the word like
> "Mr.
> Roy is useless *DICTATOR*" And Cap+Bold+Italics makes a reference to that
> word only not the entire sentence ""Mr. Roy is useless *DICTATOR*".
>
> Please do not use different colors and prefer black and never use red as it
> has different denominations.
>
> I hope Mr. Roy will except the statement above without any problems.
>
> Regards,
Thursday, April 5, 2012
[HumJanenge] India's Dismal Progress in Infrastructure Development in Last Two Decades - Babudom is Curse for India
Dear Friends,
Ever wondered why India has lagged in infrastructure development since 1990 ? The real reason is not the politicians and the greedy corporate houses but the Indian babudom.
Latest, Kochi Metro, conceptualized in 2005 costing 2500 Cr has been cleared only now. The cost has escalated to 5100 Cr. The reason, babudom wanted it to be a Public Pvt Partnership PPP project. No private investor would come in any project where the ROI is not reasonable for them. Babus always want projects to come up as PPP as it gives them multiple cash cows to milk. The country can go to dogs. Babudom alone is responsible for India to lag behind China. Imagine, this is just one small tip of the iceberg, a metro project in Kochi delayed by 7 years with cost overrun of 2600 Cr. All infrastructure projects in the country are costing more than double with a delay of 5 to 7 years only due to the incompetence of babudom with no responsibility and accountability enjoying uninterrupted job and perks till 65 years of age. If even 1/100th of such callous performance was demonstrated in a private sector, the guy would be thrown out in less than a year.
Should we file RTIs to get the details of all infrastructure projects in the country like start date, end date, cost and check the status today ? I think, almost all infrastructure projects at the end of this RTI exercise would land up in courts through PILs. I am not sure whether we really have any solution.
Imagine, the honorable PM has enhanced the financial outlay for the current plan to a trllion $ or INR 5,000,000 Cr. Babudom would be responsible, as has been so since 1990, for wasting half of this outlay due to incompetence and very poor decision making and taking double the time to completion. China has hugely accountable babudom and thus is on track to be No 1 economy very soon.
It is time we found a solution to this babudom becoming the real bane in removing the poverty in the country. Politicians are busy in milking the land and babus are busy in milking the infrastructure projects. The people of the country are taken for a ride.
Can we the people demand babus in-charge of these projects to come on National DD and give monthly progress of these projects in an hour long program ? Can the cabinet secy voluntarily organize such monthly briefing to the people on TV by his colleagues who are in-charge of various projects ? Really, no answer indeed.
Dear honorable PM Sir, hope you are taking cognizance of these things and would take action to set things right.
With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera
Re: [HumJanenge] Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Of course.
It is not only held by and under control by the PA but also part of "record".
She is trying to redefine disclosure of file notes / drafts.
RTIwanted
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Yes, in particular YOU should read the defn of "right to information".
Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
Sarbajit
Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
Sarbajit
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr Sarbajit,Your "seasoned and experienced" ex bureaucrat and now IC in the CIC, needs to read the definitions in Sec 2 of the RTI Act !http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SS_A_2011_001885_M_79869.pdf
The appellant had filed an application dated 22.9.2010 under the RTI Act
seeking copy of the report on integration of UD and PD – issues relating to interse seniority in Managerial Technical Cadre – with refer No. CM (HR) C-T-1160
dated 14.12.09. The CPIO vide his letter dated 7.10.2010 informed the appellant
that the matter is being examined by the management. It has not been accepted
by the Company till date. Since the report is not accepted by the Company, it is
not an official document of the company. Therefore the report is not 'information'
under section 2(f) of RTI Act, 2005.
.
.
.
.
.
.
During the hearing the respondent submits that the Management of FACT
constituted a Committee of senior officials to examine and make
recommendations for solving the inter-se seniority problems in the technical
cadre in the proposed Udyogmandal Complex set up. The integration of the
Udyogmandal Division and Petrochemical Division is not yet completed. The
recommendation/report of the Committee has not yet been accepted by the
Management. It is subject to various changes based on the discussion with the
Unions. The issue of inter-se seniority in the technical cadre is being discussed
with the Unions. The purpose of the report of the Committee of senior officials is
only to conduct negotiation with the Unions to sort out the issue of inter-se
seniority. In other words, it is a management tool for discussion with Unions. It
the report is released to the Unions, the very purpose of constituting the
Committee is defeated.
Having considered the submissions of the parties the Commission is of
the view that the information sought for by the appellant does not fall within the
meaning of 'information' as contained u/s 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005 as the abovesaid report is subject to various changes based on the discussions with the
Unions. The requisite information permissible under the RTI Act has been
provided to the appellant by the respondent.
RTIwanted
[HumJanenge] An open presentation to Prime Minister about Whistle Blowing and Non-Implementation of RTI Act
Dear Friends,
An open presentation to Prime Minister about Whistle Blowing and Non-Implementation of RTI Act has been sent recently. It has been uploaded on my blog also.
In case the link does not open , kindly type 'Corruption in Oil Companies' in Google Search and open any of the first few links. Regards.
Pankaj Khanna
M: 9424810575
http://pankaj-khanna.blogspot.com/
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Writing in the Capital words means "Shouting", This has to be done sparingly.
Like for example "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" it would emphasis word "dictator" as it is the nature that we must state not the other part... Making Capital letter bold alway provide more weightage to the word like "Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR" And Cap+Bold+Italics makes a reference to that word only not the entire sentence ""Mr. Roy is useless DICTATOR".
Please do not use different colors and prefer black and never use red as it has different denominations.
I hope Mr. Roy will except the statement above without any problems.
Regards,
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:17 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Singh
Please use Capital letters sparingly and/or for EMPHASIS.
Is the report a "record" ? NO !!
Is the report an "official" document ? NO !!!
So how is it disclosable information within the meaning of 2(f) and
2(i) read together ?
Sarbajit
On Apr 5, 8:11 pm, Vijendra Singh <vijendra5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE IS DEFINITELY A INFORMATION. THE IC CERTAINLY
> COMMITTED WRONG BY DECIDING THAT THE REPORT IS PREMATURE AND THEREFORE DID
> NOT COME IN DEFINITION OF INFORMATION.
> ANY ORDINARY LITERATE PERSON CAN VERY WELL TELL THAT ANY WRITTEN PAPER
> CONSTITUTES THE INFORMATION.
> I DO NOT KNOW WHY AND HOW THE IC IS DELIVERING SUCH ABSURD DECISIONS? AND
> WHY THE GOI. IS PAYING HANDSOME SALARIES ,PERQUISITES ETC TO SUCH
> FOOLISH IC?
> VIJENDRA SINGH, MEERUT
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, in particular YOU should read the defn of "right to information".
> > Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mr Sarbajit,
>
> >> Your "seasoned and experienced" ex bureaucrat and now IC in the CIC,
> >> needs to read the definitions in Sec 2 of the RTI Act !
>
> >>http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SS_A_2011_001885_M_7986...
>
> >> *The appellant had filed an application dated 22.9.2010 under the RTI Act
> >> *
> >> *seeking copy of the report on integration of UD and PD – issues
> >> relating to interse seniority in Managerial Technical Cadre – with refer
> >> No. CM (HR) C-T-1160*
> >> *dated 14.12.09. The CPIO vide his letter dated 7.10.2010 informed the
> >> appellant*
> >> *that the matter is being examined by the management. It has not been
> >> accepted*
> >> *by the Company till date. Since the report is not accepted by the
> >> Company, it is*
> >> *not an official document of the company. Therefore the report is not
> >> 'information'*
> >> *under section 2(f) of RTI Act, 2005.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> **During the hearing the respondent submits that the Management of FACT*
> >> *constituted a Committee of senior officials to examine and make*
> >> *recommendations for solving the inter-se seniority problems in the
> >> technical*
> >> *cadre in the proposed Udyogmandal Complex set up. The integration of the
> >> *
> >> *Udyogmandal Division and Petrochemical Division is not yet completed.
> >> The*
> >> *recommendation/report of the Committee has not yet been accepted by the*
> >> *Management. It is subject to various changes based on the discussion
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The issue of inter-se seniority in the technical cadre is being
> >> discussed*
> >> *with the Unions. The purpose of the report of the Committee of senior
> >> officials is*
> >> *only to conduct negotiation with the Unions to sort out the issue of
> >> inter-se*
> >> *seniority. In other words, it is a management tool for discussion with
> >> Unions. It*
> >> *the report is released to the Unions, the very purpose of constituting
> >> the*
> >> *Committee is defeated.
>
> >> **Having considered the submissions of the parties the Commission is of*
> >> *the view that the information sought for by the appellant does not fall
> >> within the*
> >> *meaning of 'information' as contained u/s 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005 as
> >> the abovesaid report is subject to various changes based on the discussions
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The requisite information permissible under the RTI Act has been
> >> *
> >> *provided to the appellant by the respondent.
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> RTIwanted
>
> --
> Vijendra Singh
> E-19, Janakpuri,
> Ajanta Colony, garh road,
> Meerut-250004
> UP
Re: [HumJanenge] Corrupt babu / Honest babu
very good idea.
On 4/4/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear HJ@googlegroups.com members
>
> FYI, your messages are sent to over 10,000 IAS and other types of
> "babus". who read then avidly.
>
> The vast majority of them are decent folk who come under pressure to
> be pliable / look the other way because of the rotten apples within
> the system. It is not their fault if the iron frame has been rotted
> from within, and individual officers are simply unwilling to do what
> they are supposed to do.
>
> Its time we showed them that there is a class of HONEST, AWARE,
> MOTIVATED, APPRECIATIVE "citizens" who are with them, and who WILL
> question their INACTION / NON-ACTION. A class of educated citizen
> quite unlike the "I am (illiterate) Anna" brigade.
>
> Initially, we will only post topical news items about "corrupt babus"
>
> Later we will intervene by filing RTIs on specific cases.
>
> Finally, we will take direct action against the INACTIION /
> Non-application of mind of the "honest" babus without whose COMPLICITY
> the HIGH-LEVEL corruption cannot take place..
>
> This is a long-term plan. This thread will be "sticky" and carefully
> screened. Irrelevant posts WILL be deleted without notice.
>
> Sarbajit
>
--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Dear Mr Sarbajit,
With all such things coming out, we need to know the truth.
This is an opportunity to try to set the erring people right as per the laws of the state including hitherto holy cow press i.e, IE if they are at fault.
I am of the opinion that there should be an impartial inquiry from the office of the honorable PM to set things right.
Let the honorable members of HJ Group give their opinion. If in favor, approach the honorable PM for the needful.
With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Dear Rahul
The 3 weeks is 3 weeks before today and not 3 weeks before 16/17th
Jan.
As such this is further proof that VKS knew about the muck that was
going to be thrown and was simply attempting to deflect it in advance.
Let him name ALL the middlemen, or will it be only those from the
"other" camp ?
Lets settle this matter once and for all. Nobody with the surname
SINGH should be allowed into the Armed Forces except as jawan or NCO
and induct as MANY of them as you can get.
.
Sarbajit
On Apr 5, 7:00 pm, Rahul Kumar <rahulk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sarbajit,
>
> Today's news of Gen VK warning for such a spook 3 weeks back should rest all doubts
>
> This is all designed by the Politicians, Babu's and middlemen incl some vested ones from the forces.
> They know that someone with b.... has taken up the challenge of bringing the middlemen to the forefront.
> Remember he could have retired to a much khushi life as Governor or with the small amount being offered to him but he did not.
>
> Integrity and honesty is nothing but lack of opportunity - so when you have the opportunity and then raise your voice - you stand tall above ALL!
>
> rgds
> rahul
>
[HumJanenge] DEAR MR BANKER.
Dear Mr Banker
You are truly a very wise and enlightened man.
You have conveyed in 1 email what I have spent many many years trying
to convey to all the duffers on my mailing list.
It is quite obvious that there is absolutely nothing you can learn
from our mailing list - which is run for all the fools in the country
as a public service by hoping to find a few good people among 1000's
of bewakoofs.
I am dropping everything to unsubscribe you as fast as possible.
Very very warmly. And with my deepest apologies.
Sarbajit Roy
your most humble servant
On 4/5/12, Nikhil Banker <nikhilbanker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> You all are a big time pass. If really feel to do something start
> taking action & don't waste your time only in giving suggestions all the
> time. Try to do something concretely. This Govt or any politicians mint
> money at our cost. They don't pay even taxes as their money is not in the
> country. We are fools that we are discussing only. Even military is passive.
> We are still slaves thiugh Britishers quited India. I hope you all will
> understand what I mean to say? Many countries in the world faced revolution
> & we are still keeping the words of Ahinsa. Laato ke Bhoot baato se nahin
> mante. We need Civil War. Naxalites are right for their fight but as we are
> earning better than them we are like impotents.
> I request every one to delete my mail I'd from your list as my
> pressure goes high for everything & affecting my heaLth. Sorry but true.
> Thanks,
> Nikhil Banker
> Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
>
[HumJanenge] Re: Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
Dear Mr Singh
Please use Capital letters sparingly and/or for EMPHASIS.
Is the report a "record" ? NO !!
Is the report an "official" document ? NO !!!
So how is it disclosable information within the meaning of 2(f) and
2(i) read together ?
Sarbajit
On Apr 5, 8:11 pm, Vijendra Singh <vijendra5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE IS DEFINITELY A INFORMATION. THE IC CERTAINLY
> COMMITTED WRONG BY DECIDING THAT THE REPORT IS PREMATURE AND THEREFORE DID
> NOT COME IN DEFINITION OF INFORMATION.
> ANY ORDINARY LITERATE PERSON CAN VERY WELL TELL THAT ANY WRITTEN PAPER
> CONSTITUTES THE INFORMATION.
> I DO NOT KNOW WHY AND HOW THE IC IS DELIVERING SUCH ABSURD DECISIONS? AND
> WHY THE GOI. IS PAYING HANDSOME SALARIES ,PERQUISITES ETC TO SUCH
> FOOLISH IC?
> VIJENDRA SINGH, MEERUT
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, in particular YOU should read the defn of "right to information".
> > Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mr Sarbajit,
>
> >> Your "seasoned and experienced" ex bureaucrat and now IC in the CIC,
> >> needs to read the definitions in Sec 2 of the RTI Act !
>
> >>http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SS_A_2011_001885_M_7986...
>
> >> *The appellant had filed an application dated 22.9.2010 under the RTI Act
> >> *
> >> *seeking copy of the report on integration of UD and PD – issues
> >> relating to interse seniority in Managerial Technical Cadre – with refer
> >> No. CM (HR) C-T-1160*
> >> *dated 14.12.09. The CPIO vide his letter dated 7.10.2010 informed the
> >> appellant*
> >> *that the matter is being examined by the management. It has not been
> >> accepted*
> >> *by the Company till date. Since the report is not accepted by the
> >> Company, it is*
> >> *not an official document of the company. Therefore the report is not
> >> 'information'*
> >> *under section 2(f) of RTI Act, 2005.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> **During the hearing the respondent submits that the Management of FACT*
> >> *constituted a Committee of senior officials to examine and make*
> >> *recommendations for solving the inter-se seniority problems in the
> >> technical*
> >> *cadre in the proposed Udyogmandal Complex set up. The integration of the
> >> *
> >> *Udyogmandal Division and Petrochemical Division is not yet completed.
> >> The*
> >> *recommendation/report of the Committee has not yet been accepted by the*
> >> *Management. It is subject to various changes based on the discussion
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The issue of inter-se seniority in the technical cadre is being
> >> discussed*
> >> *with the Unions. The purpose of the report of the Committee of senior
> >> officials is*
> >> *only to conduct negotiation with the Unions to sort out the issue of
> >> inter-se*
> >> *seniority. In other words, it is a management tool for discussion with
> >> Unions. It*
> >> *the report is released to the Unions, the very purpose of constituting
> >> the*
> >> *Committee is defeated.
>
> >> **Having considered the submissions of the parties the Commission is of*
> >> *the view that the information sought for by the appellant does not fall
> >> within the*
> >> *meaning of 'information' as contained u/s 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005 as
> >> the abovesaid report is subject to various changes based on the discussions
> >> with the*
> >> *Unions. The requisite information permissible under the RTI Act has been
> >> *
> >> *provided to the appellant by the respondent.
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> RTIwanted
>
> --
> Vijendra Singh
> E-19, Janakpuri,
> Ajanta Colony, garh road,
> Meerut-250004
> UP
Re: [HumJanenge] Report which can undergo changes is not "information"
REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE IS DEFINITELY A INFORMATION. THE IC CERTAINLY COMMITTED WRONG BY DECIDING THAT THE REPORT IS PREMATURE AND THEREFORE DID NOT COME IN DEFINITION OF INFORMATION.
ANY ORDINARY LITERATE PERSON CAN VERY WELL TELL THAT ANY WRITTEN PAPER CONSTITUTES THE INFORMATION.
I DO NOT KNOW WHY AND HOW THE IC IS DELIVERING SUCH ABSURD DECISIONS? AND WHY THE GOI. IS PAYING HANDSOME SALARIES ,PERQUISITES ETC TO SUCH FOOLISH IC?
VIJENDRA SINGH, MEERUT
--
Vijendra Singh
E-19, Janakpuri,
Ajanta Colony, garh road,
Meerut-250004
UP
VIJENDRA SINGH, MEERUT
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, in particular YOU should read the defn of "right to information".
Is the information "held by" or is it "under the control of" the PA ?
SarbajitOn Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:Mr Sarbajit,Your "seasoned and experienced" ex bureaucrat and now IC in the CIC, needs to read the definitions in Sec 2 of the RTI Act !The appellant had filed an application dated 22.9.2010 under the RTI Act
seeking copy of the report on integration of UD and PD – issues relating to interse seniority in Managerial Technical Cadre – with refer No. CM (HR) C-T-1160
dated 14.12.09. The CPIO vide his letter dated 7.10.2010 informed the appellant
that the matter is being examined by the management. It has not been accepted
by the Company till date. Since the report is not accepted by the Company, it is
not an official document of the company. Therefore the report is not 'information'
under section 2(f) of RTI Act, 2005.
.
.
.
.
.
.
During the hearing the respondent submits that the Management of FACT
constituted a Committee of senior officials to examine and make
recommendations for solving the inter-se seniority problems in the technical
cadre in the proposed Udyogmandal Complex set up. The integration of the
Udyogmandal Division and Petrochemical Division is not yet completed. The
recommendation/report of the Committee has not yet been accepted by the
Management. It is subject to various changes based on the discussion with the
Unions. The issue of inter-se seniority in the technical cadre is being discussed
with the Unions. The purpose of the report of the Committee of senior officials is
only to conduct negotiation with the Unions to sort out the issue of inter-se
seniority. In other words, it is a management tool for discussion with Unions. It
the report is released to the Unions, the very purpose of constituting the
Committee is defeated.
Having considered the submissions of the parties the Commission is of
the view that the information sought for by the appellant does not fall within the
meaning of 'information' as contained u/s 2(f) of the RTI Act, 2005 as the abovesaid report is subject to various changes based on the discussions with the
Unions. The requisite information permissible under the RTI Act has been
provided to the appellant by the respondent.
RTIwanted
Vijendra Singh
E-19, Janakpuri,
Ajanta Colony, garh road,
Meerut-250004
UP
[HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Dear Rahul
The 3 weeks is 3 weeks before today and not 3 weeks before 16/17th
Jan.
As such this is further proof that VKS knew about the muck that was
going to be thrown and was simply attempting to deflect it in advance.
Let him name ALL the middlemen, or will it be only those from the
"other" camp ?
Lets settle this matter once and for all. Nobody with the surname
SINGH should be allowed into the Armed Forces except as jawan or NCO
and induct as MANY of them as you can get.
.
Sarbajit
On Apr 5, 7:00 pm, Rahul Kumar <rahulk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sarbajit,
>
> Today's news of Gen VK warning for such a spook 3 weeks back should rest all doubts
>
> This is all designed by the Politicians, Babu's and middlemen incl some vested ones from the forces.
> They know that someone with b.... has taken up the challenge of bringing the middlemen to the forefront.
> Remember he could have retired to a much khushi life as Governor or with the small amount being offered to him but he did not.
>
> Integrity and honesty is nothing but lack of opportunity - so when you have the opportunity and then raise your voice - you stand tall above ALL!
>
> rgds
> rahul
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Citizens are fed up with scams, corruption, that plague our nation, everyone is doing their bit to weed out corruption in the manner they feel fit, , be it Anna Ji, Sarabjitji, ,Anura Roy, Army, each one has their own style of working, so be it, there ,it there is an army coup it may be for better or worse, but the way our Govt is handeling issues one may even want a coup like situation.
L.Almeida
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:13 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting an Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
Dear Mr Devasahayam
I fully appreciate your desire to be unsubscribed from this group.
You will doubtless acknowledge that all your messages to this group
were faithfully transmitted to our members without any modifications
or censorship whatsoever. Considerable debate / discussion has taken
place on them.
Unfortunately, you did not disclose your personal interest in the
matter when you repeatedly raised Geb V.K.,Singh's DoB issue on this
group. This is not an activist group, neither is it an NGO group. We
are a group of the citizens, for the citizens, by the citizens to
discuss RTI (and.incidentally to tap the brains of the group owners
for free advice) You Sir, gave up your right to be called a citizen
the moment you associated with that gang of paid mercenaries who call
themselves by many names depending on which cause they are fighting
and who is paying them. Whether it is the NCPRI, or the Forum for
Judicial Accountability or whatever, they are all the same gang of
foreign financed haramis.
You never answered me when I asked who paid for the lawyers for your
PIL. Your silence is your answer.
Now enough Sir about You, let me tell you something about myself.
1) I have never taken even 1 naya paise from anyone to do social work.
There are 'n' number of people on this group who will vouch for that.
They will also vouch that I never ever do the wrong thing by anyone
and I am incorruptible.
2) I got Mr. Pramod Mahajan removed from the Union Cabinet for his
corrupt activities..
3) I was the person behind unraking the 1G scam. I'm sure you've never
heard about it, because I kept it out of the newspapers. Fines /
Penalties of over Rs. 5,000 Crores were levied on the offenders. I
didnt take / make a paise. In fact I spent my own money and time
because God commanded me to do so.
4) I was the person who stopped Digitalisation of Cable TV in India.
Now that the period of limitation has expired the Govt has revived the
scheme after 8 years. Once again I did so because God commanded me to
do so. I can list many more such instances if you want to know..
5) I have never lost any legal case where God directed me to
intervene. And there are 100's of such cases before some of the worst
Judges possible. . Believe me Sir, it is your loss if you proceed
down the path you are on. I have no doubt that you believe you are in
the right. If GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE. let us see what "Truth" emerges.
PS: I am unsubscribing you immediately..
With best wishes.
Sarbajit
On Apr 5, 2:24 pm, Devasahayam MG <m...@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> It is now becoming evident that characters like you are paid mercenaries
> masquerading as 'crusaders' to attack and belittle people who genuinely
> fight against corruption and the rot in governance or express opinion in
> support. I have been suspecting this for some time and now it is confirmed.
> It looks as if your paymasters are breathing down your neck and and there
> is panic.
>
> I do not want to be be part of this trash and would urge you to remove my
> email ID forthwith from this group. I do not want to receive one more mail
> else you will be violating my privacy.
>
> M.G.Devasahayam
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:35 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The only TRUTH is the Mind-Boggling amounts of money to be made in
> > Arms Deals and the lobbying, bribes, kickbacks and commissions that
> > are demanded / routine / paid.
>
> > For every "winner" in this game there are at least 5 "losers: all with
> > their axes to grind and with their pet journos and PR agencies in
> > place.
>
> > Frankly, if I was to RESPECT you, I would demand that LIKE ME you
> > would draft/ file in person in the SC, argue in person in the SC, and
> > AVOID the media like crazy..
>
> > That you people are doing NONE OF THE ABOVE gives me "reason to
> > believe" that you are either puppets or corrupt (take your pick)
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Apr 5, 12:57 pm, Devasahayam MG <m...@airtelmail.in> wrote:
> > > Yes. We know the source and the person and why he did it. This will be
> > > revealed at the appropriate time. Now please put an end to this charade
> > > till the truth comes out.
>
> > > M.G.Devasahayam
>
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 1) The motive of the move was posturing by a Lt.General (or two) who
> > > > thought they should be CoAS instead of Bikram SIngh. It may or may not
> > > > be coincidental that they are considered to be aligned with V.K.Singh
> > > > (or vice-versa). That they are still not prepared to give up by
> > > > instigating this media / PIL tamasha to extend V.K.Singh's tenure is
> > > > what is TRULY worrying.
>
> > > > 2) Your second question is so irrelevant and frankly puerile as to
> > > > need no reply. Nevertheless I shall answer it - LEAKS LEAKS and MORE
> > > > INSPIRED LEAKS. Delhi is a city of LEAKS. Journos are LAZY BUGGERS who
> > > > want everything for FREE. Any half decent hack posted in Delhi can
> > > > live a decent life with all the fags, booze and occasional girls/boys
> > > > simply by selling in 'raddi' all the PR crap that is home delivered to
> > > > them
>
> > > > PS: I am sure V.K.Singh's camp would love to know Shekhar Gupta's
> > sources.
>
> > > > Sarbajit
>
> > > > On 4/5/12, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Dear Sarbajit,
>
> > > > > Pl see my comments in red.
>
> > > > > The real questions are two :-
>
> > > > > (a) What was the motive of the move ?
>
> > > > > (b) How an operational move of the Army troops is known to only
> > Shekhar
> > > > > Gupta out side of the Army whereas such operational moves are
> > supposed
> > > > to be
> > > > > kept secret in the interest of the security of the country ?
>
> > > > > The answer to the first question has been adequately given by PM, RM,
> > > > MoD,
> > > > > Army and all the TV panelists yesterday.
>
> > > > > It is the second question which is the cause of real worry. The move
> > of
> > > > an
> > > > > Army unit is just known to only their parent HQs. No other unit and
> > HQ
> > > > even
> > > > > in the services knows about such move. This is amazing that Shekhar
> > Gupta
> > > > > has access to such secret information and that he has authentic
> > sources
> > > > who
> > > > > have told him that the political brass and bureaucrats were scared
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > > the police were hurriedly asked to put barricades to delay the move
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > unit and that the real intent was to create a scare in the political
> > > > class
> > > > > and MoD.
>
> > > > > If he had such inputs then he like a loyal citizen first and a very
> > well
> > > > > known journalist should have sought a meeting with PM/RM and
> > conveyed to
> > > > > them rather than writing a story about it. In case PM/RM do not act
> > then
> > > > he
> > > > > has a full right to write this in the newspaper. Shekhar Gupta needs
> > to
> > > > > clarify this.
>
> > > > > I am suggesting that the members of HJ Gp should give their general
> > > > views as
> > > > > to whether there needs to be an independent inquiry. To my mind in
> > such
> > > > > sensitive national interests, no one should get away if it is found
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > story has been planted and not true. If true let the guilty be tried
> > out
> > > > as
> > > > > per the law. If planted then also the guilty be tried out as per law.
>
> > > > > My suggestion is that we should not link this story with any PIL
> > etc. The
> > > > > public needs to know the truth. Alternatively, Shekhar Gupta can
> > clarify
> > > > his
> > > > > position or give the names of the people to the PM/RM. When a
> > citizen who
> > > > > either harbours terrorists or hides the information about them can
> > be
> > > > tried
> > > > > out in a court, why does Shekhar Gupta not come out with the names as
> > > > this
> > > > > is a serious matter no less than a potential treason. He has no
> > excuse
> > > > that
> > > > > he wants to protect the identity of the people who have told him
> > about
> > > > this.
> > > > > If those people are loyalists they should be rewarded and if traitors
> > > > they
> > > > > should be punished. Shekhar Gupta in either case would have done a
> > yeoman
> > > > > service to the nation by coming out clearer on this story.
>
> > > > > Some time, in the interest of the nation, one does not disclose every
> > > > thing
> > > > > to public but here Shekhar Gupta has chosen to go public and thus he
> > > > needs
> > > > > to come out with sources of the story for further investigation.
>
> > > > > With warm regards,
>
> > > > > Col Mahesh Khera
>
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 8:55 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of
> > Suggesting an
> > > > > Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
>
> > > > > Dear Rahul
>
> > > > > Has anybody, as yet, publicly disagreed or disproved what Shekhar
> > Gupta
> > > > > wrote ?.
>
> > > > > Yes, PM, RM, Def Secy, Army and all panelists on national TV have
> > trashed
> > > > > Shekhar Gupta's suggestion.
>
> > > > > 1) Did the army movements in question take place or not ? Yes. Who
> > > > ordered
> > > > > them ? Their authorized formation commanders,
> > > > > 2) Were the movements curtailed / countermanded ? The troops
> > movement is
> > > > > kept secret as per the prevailing operational rules. Who
> > countermanded
> > > > them
> > > > > ? Only people who need to know are kept informed.
> > > > > 3) Why does Mr Devashayam HIDE from us that he is one of the
> > > > > petitioners in the SC now asking for V.K.Singh to "carry on" as Army
> > > > > Chief ? Will he share with us the Petition that he has filed ? This
> > is
> > > > > irrelevant to IE story.
> > > > > 4) Lastly, it is evident that Mr Devashayam knows hardly anything
> > > > > about how matters are handled in SC. I OTH have been appearing there
> > > > > (albeit intermittently) for albeit 30 years now, and I can sense that
> > > > > V.K.Singh had to "withdraw" his petition because he was on legally
> > > > > weak ground. IMHO as an old soldier he "ran away to fight another
> > > > > day".Again this is irrelevant to Shekhar Gupta and IE story.
>
> > > > > We are all committed to the LARGER CAUSE, its the "running dogs" we
> > > > > have to be careful of. True and highly appreciate this.
>
> > > > > Sarbajit
>
> > > > > On 4/5/12, Rahul Kumar <rahulk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Press and the journalists should own for what they write.
>
> > > > >> They should be brought under the laws for publishing insensitive and
> > > > >> thrash
> > > > >> information without confirmation and like any other citizen of India
> > > > >> charged
> > > > >> for inciting the public by giving wrong information.
>
> > > > >> If Rushdie's book is banned and Advani is charged for outrages
> > speech at
> > > > >> Ram
> > > > >> Mandir what is there to give immunity to this particular privileged
> > > > >> citizen
> > > > >> of India?
>
> > > > >> rgds
> > > > >> rahul
>
> > > > >>>________________________________
> > > > >>> From: Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>>To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> > > > >>>Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 6:37 AM
> > > > >>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Uncovering of Truth - IE Story of Suggesting
> > an
> > > > >>> Attempted Army Coup Needs Investigation
>
> > > > >>>Dear Mr Sarbajit and friends,
>
> > > > >>>Shekhar Gupta has taken out a story in IE which suggests that there
> > > > might
> > > > >>> have been an intention of an Army coup in the country led by the
> > Army
> > > > >>> Chief. While, every one very rightly has trashed the story on all
> > > > >>> national
> > > > >>> TV channels, there is a need to conduct an impartial investigation
> > into
> > > > >>> this most diabolical news item unprecedented in the history of free
> > > > >>> India. The largest democracy of the world can not sit idle and do a
> > > > cover
> > > > >>> up just through a couple of debates on national TV channels.
> > Keeping
> > > > >>> quiet
> > > > >>> about it would be the greatest dis-service to the nation.
>
> > > > >>>If the story has any substance then under the relevant laws, the
> > guilty
> > > > >>> should be promptly punished in an exemplary way. If however, the
> > story
> > > > is
> > > > >>> just a concocted one then an exemplary action should be taken
> > against
> > > > the
> > > > >>> IE and Shekhar Gupta for sedition under the prevailing laws.
>
> > > > >>>Free press must be respected but
>
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