Hum Janenge: 6/23/13

Saturday, June 29, 2013

Re: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

The information is correct. but if can you support your information by govt orders or ciruclars, the question of corruption can be solved.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, haridas mandal <acsman123@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear all

  1)  I have been pursuing since 2008 while even in uniform to get info on two things ( which in my opinion are the root causes of many evils in the armed forces, ordinarily not known to the outsiders)"

    a) Regimental Fund which as per the definition is neither Public nor private but somewhere in between..its income and expenditures..neither audited by Local audit authorities nor under oversite committe but supposedly get audited by private chartered accountants at the beck and call of the so called custodians of this private fund..Income is totally tax exempted in the name of welfare of troops..

    Income side :-

    --- a meagre .oo5 % of the basic salary of each individual in uniform eg appx Rs 30 per     person per     month for appx 13.6 lacs armed forces personnel ( for leave period this is exempted).

    ---- Profits from URCs (Unit Run Canteens) selling CSD as well as non-CSD goods being run in the     built in defence accommodations , reappropriated or otherwise.

    ------ Rebates or contract money from all commercial activities including running of schools ,     colleges, restaurants, Malls, Super markets, clubs, guest houses, banquet halls, grocery stores as     well as Golf  Clubs, Banks & ATMs.

    ----- Profits from Farm Lands , Orchards etc etc.

    Expenditure side:--

    ---As on date it is the military authority which is to decide Licence Fee or Rent for those defence accommodations which are supposedly held in excess to the requirement by the holding military Units..The local military auth convenes a board of officers and decide the Licence Fee..Surely true to the spirit they keep the rent or the Licence Fee as low as Rs 5 per square meters in the prime locations of the cosmopolitan cities like Delhi, Kolkata , Mumbai etc etc.

    ---This rent at the rate of meagre Rs 5 per square meters as Licence Fees are collected from the private contractors / dealers to whom Military Authority has handed over the accommodations to run their commercial ventutres where net profits goes in Crores.

    ---Besides the Licence Fee the contractors are required to pay for electricity and water charges at the subsidised rates. And on top of it a contractual amount in the form of REBATE is also paid for use of the def Accn for commercial activities . But this rebate money which is at least ten times the licence fee per commercial ventures is deposited with the privately and abused regimental funds for which there is no audit by the govt of India authority..Bizarre isn'r it?

    ---Now this provately held regimental money by crores are put to gross mis-use as there is no chacks & balances.

It is evident that all those URCs ( selling CSD goods appx 4000 of them, selling non-CSD goods appx 15000 ) are occupying a whole lot of govt accommodations built for very important purposes..As on date there is no authorisation for building any def accommodation for any commercial ventures.

As it is more the merrier local commanders at the ground Zero are seen working overtime to get startegic defence accommodations vacated to accommodate many more private contractors to run their commercial activities paying peanuts as rent to the govt of India inside the defence installations.

This brings to my second query : -

2) Exact amount defence accommodation across the country is being enagaged for commercial activities keeping rent or licence fee as low as Rs 5 per sq metre and what is the net revenue from those commercial ventures as rent and expenditure by the govt on their maintenance? What is the amount of rebate officially recd by the military auth which is being deposited to the so called privately run regimenatl funds?

My query Secunderabad as well as Delhi Cantt specific to the military auth ( RAO, AAO, Garrison Engineers, Station HQ as well as Controller of Defence acct Sec-bad as well as Delhi) has remain unanswered in some pretext or other. My second appeal to hon-ble ML Sharma , IC/CIC has been deflected with the zeal of an ex-police officer..with very unsound explations.

But I shall not stop till death..I am sure those who have been frustrated, being frustrated and definitely frustrated are also not going to leave such serious business with a couple of corrupt to the core IAS /IPS ex -officials acting against the will of India..we will try to de-bureaucratise the CIC/SICs first and foremost.



From: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

While your perceiverence and vehemence are appreciated your experiences really exposes the futility of the RTI05 in serving the purpose of getting information for the masses! With such resistence at every stage whoever pursued getting information, either for their personal use or for the common cause most of them have lost the race midway as in many cases, particularly sensitive issues, as the common people get frustrated and exhausted in chassing it to a satisfactory end, leave alone being targeted! Many a time it affects the pursuer of information demanding his time and money interfeing with the very livelyhood! Your looking for someone to sincerely follow such cases at 'reasonable costs' speaks volumes on obstacles on the way of information seeker/s

I know I have limitation to respond to your request in a feasile way but I found this as an opportunity to express my view, having experienced more or less the same way while chasing information under RTI! Next alternative may be an act demanding RIGHT TO SMASH (RTS) or RIGHT TO THRASH (RTT)the officer who denies information to seeker!

It is not in any way my intenstion to discourage you but to impress that my experience in seeking information in several cases for knowing and also in helping to remove common man's ignorance puts me in the same shoe as that of yours

From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:

I had been requesting PIO, Noida Authority for a copy of the statement of accounts prepared, clearance certificates issued and reallotment letters issued in respect of some cabins allotted to IT/ITES units such as DelSoft, LK Software, Ukiah Software and BirlaSoft, on rental basis in STPI, Sector 29, Noida for the past about four years. These cabins were vacated by the said units on 19.10.2001, 30.11.2001, 26.12.2003 and 31.05.2007 respectively. When the said info was not received on one pretext or the other, I filed another RTI application dated 22.06.2012 in the matter. When no info was received, I filed First Appeal which was heard by FAA on 20.11.12. FAA ordered vide his nos 1944 dated 21.11.12 that the required info be supplied to me within 15 days. PIO then supplied only part info vide his letter no 2568 dated 03.12.2012 and informed that the balance info pertained to their accounts section and would be supplied by them, PIO requested the Accounts Section to supply the balance info pertaining to them vide his letter no 1604 dated 20.07.2012. This remaining info is still not received by me. When no further info was thus received by me, I filed another appeal dated 10.12.2012 to FAA, but no action was taken by FAA/his office on it yet. I also reminded FAA for action on it thereafter. When no reply was received by me from FAA, I filed Second Appeal to SIC, Lucknow on 24.02.2013. SIC has neither acknowledged receipt of my appeal nor fixed any date of hearing or passed any orders thereon.

I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:

Q1       What further action can be got taken from FAA's level if his orders are not complied with by PIO or other concerned officials. Why does he not take action on such defaults reported to him by letter or even by further First Appeals bringing out the default in the matter.

Q2       It has been my experience that SIC Lucknow neither acknowledges the Second Appeals preferred to him nor sends copy of orders passed by him on Second Appeals preferred to him. No action is taken in SIC office even on RTI applications requesting for copies of his orders on earlier appeals. How can this problem be tackled by persons like us living so far away from SIC office at Lucknow.

Q3       Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.
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Re: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

Dear all

1) I have been pursuing since 2008 while even in uniform to get info on two things ( which in my opinion are the root causes of many evils in the armed forces, ordinarily not known to the outsiders)"

a) Regimental Fund which as per the definition is neither Public nor private but somewhere in between..its income and expenditures..neither audited by Local audit authorities nor under oversite committe but supposedly get audited by private chartered accountants at the beck and call of the so called custodians of this private fund..Income is totally tax exempted in the name of welfare of troops..

Income side :-

--- a meagre .oo5 % of the basic salary of each individual in uniform eg appx Rs 30 per person per month for appx 13.6 lacs armed forces personnel ( for leave period this is exempted).

---- Profits from URCs (Unit Run Canteens) selling CSD as well as non-CSD goods being run in the built in defence accommodations , reappropriated or otherwise.

------ Rebates or contract money from all commercial activities including running of schools , colleges, restaurants, Malls, Super markets, clubs, guest houses, banquet halls, grocery stores as well as Golf Clubs, Banks & ATMs.

----- Profits from Farm Lands , Orchards etc etc.

Expenditure side:--

---As on date it is the military authority which is to decide Licence Fee or Rent for those defence accommodations which are supposedly held in excess to the requirement by the holding military Units..The local military auth convenes a board of officers and decide the Licence Fee..Surely true to the spirit they keep the rent or the Licence Fee as low as Rs 5 per square meters in the prime locations of the cosmopolitan cities like Delhi, Kolkata , Mumbai etc etc.

---This rent at the rate of meagre Rs 5 per square meters as Licence Fees are collected from the private contractors / dealers to whom Military Authority has handed over the accommodations to run their commercial ventutres where net profits goes in Crores.

---Besides the Licence Fee the contractors are required to pay for electricity and water charges at the subsidised rates. And on top of it a contractual amount in the form of REBATE is also paid for use of the def Accn for commercial activities . But this rebate money which is at least ten times the licence fee per commercial ventures is deposited with the privately and abused regimental funds for which there is no audit by the govt of India authority..Bizarre isn'r it?

---Now this provately held regimental money by crores are put to gross mis-use as there is no chacks & balances.

It is evident that all those URCs ( selling CSD goods appx 4000 of them, selling non-CSD goods appx 15000 ) are occupying a whole lot of govt accommodations built for very important purposes..As on date there is no authorisation for building any def accommodation for any commercial ventures.

As it is more the merrier local commanders at the ground Zero are seen working overtime to get startegic defence accommodations vacated to accommodate many more private contractors to run their commercial activities paying peanuts as rent to the govt of India inside the defence installations.

This brings to my second query : -

2) Exact amount defence accommodation across the country is being enagaged for commercial activities keeping rent or licence fee as low as Rs 5 per sq metre and what is the net revenue from those commercial ventures as rent and expenditure by the govt on their maintenance? What is the amount of rebate officially recd by the military auth which is being deposited to the so called privately run regimenatl funds?

My query Secunderabad as well as Delhi Cantt specific to the military auth ( RAO, AAO, Garrison Engineers, Station HQ as well as Controller of Defence acct Sec-bad as well as Delhi) has remain unanswered in some pretext or other. My second appeal to hon-ble ML Sharma , IC/CIC has been deflected with the zeal of an ex-police officer..with very unsound explations.

But I shall not stop till death..I am sure those who have been frustrated, being frustrated and definitely frustrated are also not going to leave such serious business with a couple of corrupt to the core IAS /IPS ex -officials acting against the will of India..we will try to de-bureaucratise the CIC/SICs first and foremost.

From: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

While your perceiverence and vehemence are appreciated your experiences really exposes the futility of the RTI05 in serving the purpose of getting information for the masses! With such resistence at every stage whoever pursued getting information, either for their personal use or for the common cause most of them have lost the race midway as in many cases, particularly sensitive issues, as the common people get frustrated and exhausted in chassing it to a satisfactory end, leave alone being targeted! Many a time it affects the pursuer of information demanding his time and money interfeing with the very livelyhood! Your looking for someone to sincerely follow such cases at 'reasonable costs' speaks volumes on obstacles on the way of information seeker/s

I know I have limitation to respond to your request in a feasile way but I found this as an opportunity to express my view, having experienced more or less the same way while chasing information under RTI! Next alternative may be an act demanding RIGHT TO SMASH (RTS) or RIGHT TO THRASH (RTT)the officer who denies information to seeker!

It is not in any way my intenstion to discourage you but to impress that my experience in seeking information in several cases for knowing and also in helping to remove common man's ignorance puts me in the same shoe as that of yours

From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:

I had been requesting PIO, Noida Authority for a copy of the statement of accounts prepared, clearance certificates issued and reallotment letters issued in respect of some cabins allotted to IT/ITES units such as DelSoft, LK Software, Ukiah Software and BirlaSoft, on rental basis in STPI, Sector 29, Noida for the past about four years. These cabins were vacated by the said units on 19.10.2001, 30.11.2001, 26.12.2003 and 31.05.2007 respectively. When the said info was not received on one pretext or the other, I filed another RTI application dated 22.06.2012 in the matter. When no info was received, I filed First Appeal which was heard by FAA on 20.11.12. FAA ordered vide his nos 1944 dated 21.11.12 that the required info be supplied to me within 15 days. PIO then supplied only part info vide his letter no 2568 dated 03.12.2012 and informed that the balance info pertained to their accounts section and would be supplied by them, PIO requested the Accounts Section to supply the balance info pertaining to them vide his letter no 1604 dated 20.07.2012. This remaining info is still not received by me. When no further info was thus received by me, I filed another appeal dated 10.12.2012 to FAA, but no action was taken by FAA/his office on it yet. I also reminded FAA for action on it thereafter. When no reply was received by me from FAA, I filed Second Appeal to SIC, Lucknow on 24.02.2013. SIC has neither acknowledged receipt of my appeal nor fixed any date of hearing or passed any orders thereon.

I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:

Q1 What further action can be got taken from FAA's level if his orders are not complied with by PIO or other concerned officials. Why does he not take action on such defaults reported to him by letter or even by further First Appeals bringing out the default in the matter.

Q2 It has been my experience that SIC Lucknow neither acknowledges the Second Appeals preferred to him nor sends copy of orders passed by him on Second Appeals preferred to him. No action is taken in SIC office even on RTI applications requesting for copies of his orders on earlier appeals. How can this problem be tackled by persons like us living so far away from SIC office at Lucknow.

Q3 Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.

Friday, June 28, 2013

Re: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:

I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:

Q3 Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.

Thursday, June 27, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Press release for Public hearings

To
Secretary "DERC"
(Delhi Electricity Regulatory Commission)

Sir

Date: 28-June-2013

It is indeed a matter of great concern that the DERC is not prepared to grant a hearing, for a statutory process, to a hitherto peaceful apolitical people's movement like "India Against Corruption" (IAC) which is conducting itself in a civilised and decent manner before the Commission.

As the National Convenor of the IAC I would hence like to be immediately informed of the specific reasons why IAC is being repeatedly denied a hearing despite applying (on 22.May.2013) in response to a Public Notice published on the DERC's website and my sending several reminders for the same. This unexplained attitude betrays a great disrespect for IAC on the part of the Commission.

It may be recalled that the IAC had brought a case of blatant public disrespect of the Hon'ble Commission to DERC's notice after it was published on the official website of the Aam Aadmi Party, a registered political party.

Any honest Commission would have initiated suo-moto action against the contemnor on receipt of such a complaint, the DERC did not.

It was on the basis of such unchecked public disrespect for the Hon'ble Commission that the Aam Aadmi Party (in collusion with a certain Discom - the TPDDL) could amass vast sums of money by taking representations (against donations mainly in cash of minimum Rs 250 each) from about 1 million electricity thieves in Delhi to reduce their electricity bills and/or to get themselves regularised.

The DERC granted a special hearing for political parties like Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) to consider these irregular representations to regularise electricity thieves in TPDDL's distribution area and get the prescribed fines, penalties and demands waived off.

It is reliably learned from AAP's internal sources that one of the DERC's 2 members facilitated this hearing on instructions of Mr Sandeep Dikshit Congress MP whose Parliamentary constituency falls under BYPL. Curiously no such opportunity was granted for BSES's consumers to get their bills and penalties waived off.

It is curious that these representations which the DERC has forwarded to the Discoms to consider were home delivered to the residence of Mr. Sandeep Dikshit's mother instead of being lodged officially with the "holding company".

It is well known that Mr Arvind Kejriwal, National Convenor Aam Aadmi Party, is an ex-employee of Tatas and is running a public campaign against BSES DISCOMs because BYPL is cracking down on electricity thieves in Mr. Sandeep Dikshit's constituency and Mr. Dikshit openly wants TPDDL there instead.

It is curious that TPDDL took no action against Mr. Arvind Kejriwal for climbing electricity poles OUTSIDE the consumer premises in TPDDL's area and reconnecting (from the pole) their consumers who were either not paying their bills or were stealing power.

It is curious that Mr. Arvind Kejriwal did not get the same degree of cooperation from the BSES DISCOMs and could only "reconnect" the line INSIDE the consumer premises and AFTER the electricity consumption meters in the BSES distribution zones.

It is curious that of the "1 million" representations received from AAP, the bulk of those seeking not to pay their bills are from BSES consumers whereas those seeking to get penalties waived are from TPDDL areas. This is a clear example of a proxy political party being used for anti-competiton in a monopoly market created by the Dikshit family which also has the luxury of appointing its own sectoral regulators.

It is curious that DERC has taken no action against Mr. Arvind Kejriwal for openly stealing and also abetting stealing / UAE within Delhi despite the stringent provisions of the Electricity Act.

It is curious that M/s TPDDL, in their letter dt. 08.03.2013 addressed to Mr. K.M Verma (Jt Dir Law-DERC), said the IAC's complaint bringing the public disrespect of the Chairman DERC by Aam Aadmi Party was "premature". Accordingly IAC applied in response to the DERC's public notice for a statutory hearing which was not granted, whereas a special hearing was held for Aam Aadmi Party and BJP on 03.June.2013.

If it is the case that DERC only grants hearing to political parties like the BJP and Aam Aadmi Party which adopt undemocratic methods against the Hon'ble Commission, then please also take clear notice hereby that "India Against Corruption" people's movement is "2nd to none" when it comes to application of similar methods at a time and place of IAC's convenience.

I await your response.

with best wishes

Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption

On 6/5/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> Secretary DERC
>
> Sir
>
> 05-June-2013
>
> I refer to my appended email. I had not received any notice of hearing
> in response to my request to participate in the truing up / tariff
> exercise mentioned in the public notice.
>
> I would be obliged if the hearing schedule/time is communicated to me
> by return email.
>
> With best wishes.
>
> Er. Sarbajit Roy
> National Convenor
> India Against Corruption
>
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
>
> Tel : 09311448069
>
> On 5/22/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To:
>> Secretary DERC
>>
>> Sir
>>
>> 22-May-2013
>>
>> I refer to the undated Press Release on DERC's website
>> concerning.participation in public hearings for Tariff determination
>> of all DISCOMS and also the pending true up petitions.
>>
>> Kindly note that further to various correspondences in the past year
>> on these issues with the Hon'ble DERC, the India Against Corruption
>> would most definitely like to be heard in person in the interest of
>> the long term health and financial viability of the electricity sector
>> in Delhi.
>>
>> Accordingly, we would appreciate if hearing notice is issued to the
>> undersigned on behalf of the IAC so I can circulate it to my
>> membership well in advance.
>>
>> With best wishes.
>>
>> Er. Sarbajit Roy
>> National Convenor
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>> B-59 Defence Colony
>> New Delhi 110024
>>
>> Tel : 09311448069
>>
>

[IAC#RG] Frivolous "time pass" discussions on mailing lists

We have received many emails asking for the IAC list(s) to be reactivated.

This was one of many issues discussed at IAC's conference for its "operations side" members which took place last week. About 600 persons participated.

The postings made by various persons over the IAC's email lists over the last 9 months were discussed in considerable detail. It was resolved that the list(s) may continue but henceforth only such messages ought to be circulated which have a tendency to promote / disseminate the core ideologies / values of India Against Corruption and/or Hindustan Republican Association's mission.

Some conclusions from the meeting may be disclosed in due course.

Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE: publication by India Against Corruption

Mr Gaur, there is nothing wrong in asking for gender-neutral laws. But given the social situation in India, our women lag behind in every field, in spite of being ( in many cases) better-educated , and with higher emotional quotient than their male counterparts. SIFF wants to turn the clock back from our legal reforms that resulted in free India being a progressive nation.

This is what we are apprehensive about.

Rina Mukherji

Kolkata

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

25/6/13
In case of Pancholi,whom will you believe? an unsigned note without name and a confession extracted by police or his ex-girl friend of more than 5 years and her mother who have strongly refuted that he is incapable of the kind of voilence
he is accused of?
And where is the abetment in this case as pawan Nair has pointed out?

2. Sarkar's views are not extremist.Family equation and men-womeen relations are changing very rapidly in India.. What is being advocated today as progressive were considered extremist before 50 years .

3. What is wrong in asking gender neutral laws as S. Roy has pointed out?

4. India is not an Island of peace,prosperity and progressive ideas surrounded by Islamic ideology in the west and east.

5. Surprisingly there has been very little interaction on this topic.

Regds

JKGaury

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:51:40 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE: publication by India Against Corruption

Dear Vidyut

1) Lets confine ourselves to real issues.

a) The Indian media is NOT free.

b) Censorship is both overt and covert.

c) You have faced censorship and threats (as have I).

d) We remember your blogposts on Sailgate, and also "MoneyLife journalists getting threats" which got taken down / trimmed

I recall your support for Aseem Trivedi (who is, in my opinion, a pathetic cartoonist who well deserved to be censored / jailed).

So for IAC "Freedom of Speech and Expression" is a core issue. IAC wants it, IAC will fight for it, IAC will (to the availability of its resources and operational priorities) defend this principle / right.

2) The information dissemination platforms IAC is putting in place are not identified with IAC.

3) Items / articles which are published by IAC are "cleaned up" to remove much of the bias / slant. Although we defend the right to have ALL sides of an issue published / circulated, IAC reserves the right to ULTIMATELY determine the balance / tone (we prefer though that the news contributors do so on their own).

It would be highly counter-productive if IAC platforms are perceived as biased / slanted / propagandist etc.

4) Ordinary people can, and do, have "extra-ordinary" views which deserve to get better known. That is what Democracy (and a Republic) requires to flourish.

5) IAC does not defend or support any other organisation or THEIR policies.

6) The trick is to find balance and consensus. We did that internally for IAC's submissions to Justice Verma Committee where your views (and also SIFFs) got incorporated. Balance is achieved when either "both sides are happy, or both sides are equally unhappy".

7) If anyone leaves the battlefield, it concedes a walkover to their opponents. IAC needs participation from all sides, rival persons, rival organisations, rival religions, everyone is welcome at IAC IFF the goal is common and the decencies are maintained.

8) EQUALLY, other organisations need IAC. Its a "win-win" for all concerned.

9) Oftentimes, people / organisations are FORCED to adopt extremist / absurd positions because they are not heard.

10) Lets not jump our fences before seeing the entire picture. Lets see if experts like you and me can get scalable, resilient, credible info-channels in place even if the SIFFs of this reality eventually use it more than you or I do.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:

I find SIFF to be an extremely misogynist organization doing little for the rights of men and more of objection to any protection of women. For example, SIFF does zero about male on male abuse. Either sexual or otherwise. Within family or without.

In this latest episode, the idea that women threaten men as some kind of controlling gimmick is an extreme generalization. People prone to suicide are known to speak about it aloud. For example, in this case they are objecting to, Pancholi has confessed to assault on Jiah Khan. They were in a long term relationship and he was hardly unaware of previous attempt to suicide. What is the responsibility of a partner of a suicidal person? Is it the sole responsibility of the mother as SIFF appears to present? How is physical assault ignored so blatantly?

SIFF promotes several lies.

Some more from this article itself are that abatement to suicide is punishable only in India. This is bullshit. Provoking suicide is punishable almost worldwide - particularly when accompanied (which Pancholi himself has confessed to). Forget laws and such - let us talk of two high profile cases. The first the nurse to Kate Middleton who got pranked b the Australiam radio hosts and committed suicide. This is UK. The second is Dharun Ravi convicted for provoking the suicide of Clementi. This is US. Naming these, because with Indian connections, they may be easier to remember.

SIFF likes to present a false association between high rates of suicide between married men and abuse, when in fact, there is no proven corelation. For example, self-employed men are a far larger percentage of suicides than married men.

SIFF likes to focus on the idea that both men and women are abused without looking at the corresponding fact that in the abuse of both men and women, men are majority of the abusers. Women are NOT "equally" abusers as SIFF likes to present.

SIFF has been known to fake information, claims and work to oppose protection of women rather than protecting men as it superficially claims.

Finally, Jiah Khan did not merely threaten Pancholi with suicide, she accused him of assault - something he confesses to. She accuses him of ditching her after promises of marriage - something Pancholi's mom herself has implied to media. Lastly, a threat isn't a form of manipulation if the action warned about actually happens. Jiah Khan is dead.

And so on. There are several articles debunking this crap. The basic method is to look at the exception and call it the norm. It is almost like saying Sikhs are evil because a few must have attacked the others in 1984, while wholly ignoring the massacre itself.

This is not to say that there isn't misuse of laws or that women don't misuse rights or that men don't suffer. However, it is not logical or helpful to put blanket blame on women as being malicious by default. For example, this letter itself speaks of threats of suicide by women to helpless men - in the title itself, while going on to treat a man's suicide as genuine harassment - a view that is held against the credibility women, while it is cops who did not file the case - unknown gender, usually male. Particularly since our population ratio, crime statistics are completely opposite of this claim. The idea that dead, injured, and violated women are unimportant gets promoted when you have an organization that questions the credibility of most crime stats without ANY factual basis whatsoever.

I forget the link. This mythical helpline of theirs gets 98% calls related with men being abused, which how an article by this bunch claims 98% men are abused. I suppose if 98% people walking into a jeweller's shop buy jewellery, it is safe to say all Indians buy lakhs worth jewellery each, daily. Manufactured stats at its finest.

I object to this nonsense and highly misogynist propaganda given a platform and credibility on IAC. Either this crap is rejected, or I exit. Non negotiable. My presence holds a certain credibility on human rights related views. I refuse to grant it to a platform that openly promotes an organization working against women.

Vidyut

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC participants,

Swaup Sarkar's email to me, below, encapsulates the problem, ordinary people or groups with extra-ordinary views have in being heard in a controlled information society.

An information society where editorial content is openly negotiated for advertising revenue (Zee TV and Naveen Jindal), or where semi-literate persons wielding power arbitrarily (Wikipedia refusing to acknowledge P Kalyanasundaram simply because his "truth" and Jimbo Wales's don't mesh).

When somebody approached me about 10 days back because he was harassed by a particularly abusive blogger (whose father incidentally is our valued contributor on spirituality and misgovernance) and a paid chamcha for Baba Ramdev, I advised the individual to use "open source cloud technology" to correct the information imbalance. Clouding works: for eg. Do a google search for "Baba Ramdev Coward" or "Sanjeev Sabhlok ass" to confirm that these links are #1 (or at least top 5) on Google.

So members can shortly start sending IAC their UNIQUE Press Releases and articles on politics, politicians, corruption, governance, events etc. with the IAC GUARANTEE that IAC will publish it if it meets IAC's standards (which we will inform members shortly).

PS: Save India Family Foundation's Press Release has been uploaded (after cleaning it up), but our sites are not operational (as yet) for public view.

Sarbajit

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Re: [HumJanenge] Request for advice

How did U send second appeal to Lko? What abt speed post?

From: M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:
I had been requesting PIO, Noida Authority for a copy of the statement of accounts prepared, clearance certificates issued and reallotment letters issued in respect of some cabins allotted to IT/ITES units such as DelSoft, LK Software, Ukiah Software and BirlaSoft, on rental basis in STPI, Sector 29, Noida for the past about four years. These cabins were vacated by the said units on 19.10.2001, 30.11.2001, 26.12.2003 and 31.05.2007 respectively. When the said info was not received on one pretext or the other, I filed another RTI application dated 22.06.2012 in the matter. When no info was received, I filed First Appeal which was heard by FAA on 20.11.12. FAA ordered vide his nos 1944 dated 21.11.12 that the required info be supplied to me within 15 days. PIO then supplied only part info vide his letter no 2568 dated 03.12.2012 and informed that the balance info pertained to their accounts section and would be supplied by them, PIO requested the Accounts Section to supply the balance info pertaining to them vide his letter no 1604 dated 20.07.2012. This remaining info is still not received by me. When no further info was thus received by me, I filed another appeal dated 10.12.2012 to FAA, but no action was taken by FAA/his office on it yet. I also reminded FAA for action on it thereafter. When no reply was received by me from FAA, I filed Second Appeal to SIC, Lucknow on 24.02.2013. SIC has neither acknowledged receipt of my appeal nor fixed any date of hearing or passed any orders thereon.
I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:
Q1       What further action can be got taken from FAA's level if his orders are not complied with by PIO or other concerned officials. Why does he not take action on such defaults reported to him by letter or even by further First Appeals bringing out the default in the matter.
Q2       It has been my experience that SIC Lucknow neither acknowledges the Second Appeals preferred to him nor sends copy of orders passed by him on Second Appeals preferred to him. No action is taken in SIC office even on RTI applications requesting for copies of his orders on earlier appeals. How can this problem be tackled by persons like us living so far away from SIC office at Lucknow.

Q3       Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.
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[HumJanenge] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:

I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:

Q3 Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.

[rti4empowerment] Request for advice

Request for advice for further action to be taken for getting info under RTIA05:

I need advice on the following points from RTI knowledgeable experts:

Q3 Can somebody suggest Names and contact info about some persons in Lko who can follow such cases at reasonable costs.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013

[HumJanenge] Fw: Fwd: May God bless all the Brave hearts

where is the Min of Defence and Raksha Mantri??

May God bless all the Brave hearts doing rescue work at Uttarakhand

1. This is a tribute to all those soldiers of Central Army, Helicopter units of the army, medical units, the IAF, Border Roads, personnel of ITBP, NDRF, pilots of civil helicopters, all those who are battling heavy odds to rescue people trapped in the never before catastrophe.

2. The nation will be grateful to all of them.
3. May God be with them all in these trying times.