Saturday, February 19, 2011

RE: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

Requiring applicant for information to indicate the purpose of request would abrogate the Act. RTI Act  was enacted to ensure transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority and all the instrumentalities of Governments in order to contain corruption (vide  Preamble). That is why the framers of the Act specifically required that reason for information would not be required u/s 6(2). Now that exposures of public misdemeanor are being found to be inconvenient to public authorities, an effort is being made to scuttle the peoples rights by the proposed amendment.

 

Why should the Government like to protect the wrongdoer businessman, builder or politician?  The recently unearthed Scams are the gift of these powerful persons? What does it matter that the information can help settle ‘personal scores’? Enough provision is made in the Act to refuse inappropriate information under Section 8 and elsewhere. I oppose the proposal and suggest to all bodies and persons to oppose it.

 

Regards,

Justice (Retd)Kamleshwar Nath.

 

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From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.

:

Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),

Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),

Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

Address

:

`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India

Phone(s)

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+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

 

From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of avinash chawla
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:41 AM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

 

In fact, the working of Govt must be totally transparent and as such all the files kept in govt offices  should be available for the public for its review. Hence all such information which may be of interest to Public must be put on the website of the concerned department so that there be no need for any body to ask for information through RTI. Further   any information given to any one under RTI must be put on the website so that there may not be repeated inquiries for similar information.   

Putting restrictions on parting of information would be a retrograde step and must not be encouraged even if it costs a bit to the Govt.as it serves the interest of larger public.

The demand for adding purpose to any query under RTI would demolish the very purpose of enacting RTI which seeks the Govt to keep transparency in its working.

Avinash Chawla

 

 

 

Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:

Ref: Times of India
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/02/17&PageLabel=4&EntityId=Ar00403&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

I completely oppose such move. This will help Babus to deny information. First of all Suo motu disclosure should be implemented, citizens should have free access without time bound to any information. Govt is saying "misuse" because their many wrong doings are coming out. If Government is honest, how one can misuse the information? Misuse can happen only in form of blackmailing. You can let other blackmail you when you know you are wrong. This is a reactive step instead of proactive.

Regards
Govind

‘Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act’

Prafulla Marpakwar TNN


Mumbai: Given the doubts raised by a section of chief ministers, the Centre is planning to amend the Right to Information (RTI) Act to curb its misuse.
    “A group of chief ministers has approached the Centre for amending the RTI Act. In several cases, it was used to settle personal scores by rival businessmen, builders and politicians,” a senior information commissioner told TOI on Wednesday.
    The information commissioner said that when the Democratic Front government promulgated an ordinance in 2004 to provide for right to information, it was specifically mentioned that a person seeking information will have to state the purpose for which the information is required. When the Centre enacted the RTI Act in 2005, this clause was removed. “If the Centre wants to curb misuse, it must include the purpose clause in the act. It will have to move an amendment bill for the purpose,” he said.
    The information commissioner said that in Mumbai, the maximum number of applications are filed by the same group of persons. “We are bound to provide information but we don’t know how it will be used,” he said.
    In Pune, the commissioner said, of the 2,500-odd appeals pending before the information commission, 800 are filed by 30 persons, while of the 2,200 applications filed under the RTI Act, 1,400 are by one person. “If we know the purpose, we can decide his case on merit,” he said.
    If the Centre is serious, the commissioner said, it should ask the states to follow Karnataka government’s example. “Karnataka has made it clear that an application will not have more than 250 words and that in one letter, the applicant will ask questions only about one issue. This has ensured that only genuine applicants seek information,” he said. Secondly, the commissioner said, the act should allow for punitive action against mala fide applicants. Information is provided free of cost to below poverty line (BPL) applicants. In a recent case, a BPL applicant sought information on a project, which comprises 50,000 pages. “It seems that someone was using him to get the information free of cost,” he said.



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But because of the silence of good people!"

--Napoleon

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URL: http://www.wix.com/hopegovind/homepage
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[HumJanenge] Does IC Sushma Singh have two offices?

I had another look at the CIC Cause list. I note that the venue of hearing before IC Sushma Singh are at two different venues.

On 21st February six cases are listed for hearing from 10.30 am to 12.10 pm @ Room No.305 in the CIC Office located at August Kranti Bhavan.

Later on the same day from 12.30 pm onwards there several hearings till 14.30 pm @ Room No.5 in the Club House, Old JNU. The rest of the hearings would continue from the August Kranti Bhavan office.

Could some of our friends in Delhi try find out if it was a genuine error or it is really taking place as listed on the CIC website?

Thanks

Manoj

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Re: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

We're dealing not with the PRINCIPLE(S),which is\are settled,but with MANAGEMENT MATTERS.
Why can't the issues, in holistic manner, be studied by a taskforce of any IIM
(or for that matter any mgt consultancy)?
Why not all the views be looked into through well researched ways rather than be discussed in a vague manner?
Don't we need an intelligent response arrived at through proper manner in admn as much as we need in business area?
When matters are raised in vague manner(probably with hidden agenda) the same create fallacies and confuse the thinking process.
Take for example just two points: First about just a few people asking questions or seeking responses through RTI Act,and second about limitations of just one quert at a time.
Don't people use just a few lawers tpo take up their cases in Courts of law as they leave the task to more inforned people(experts) to ensure better course of justice for them?
Even today how many educated people know how to fole RTI applications or ensure proper follow-up to logical end? So whats wrong if a few experts in RTI take up their causes and get justice?
Has any research been carried out to indicate whether such peolpe(figh frquency users of RTI Act) have gone mad,or are doing such work for vicarious pleasure,or as a vocation to make a living or using the process in a nefarious way for blackmailing cretain authorities,or trying to settle bureaucratic/business rivalries etc for a consideration?
When no authentic well researched reports(not mere vague data) are available how could,in a casual way just a bunch of CMs come with their own theory and make it look like Gospel Truth? This is the bane of yet-undeveloped/ unreformed governance process in the country.
Next why would closely related issues be seperated in different RTI requests? The Courts,on the contrary club cases to avoid duplication of effort.
The good idea mooted is to create a dynamically managed FAQ Bank,as done by several organisations to avoid queries on repeated basis.Self-help system surely could help cut down on very large number of general queries.Suo-moto presentation of facts and decision making process by every organisation could virtually make the use of RTI redundant.GOI needs to have well structured systems developed through NIC/NPC(National Informatic Centre/National Productivity Council) and provide adequate resources to all organisations to ensure time-bound compliance of all RTI related acts/activities.
During the course of my PhD I've already pleaded with these organisations and given enough clues to GOI Executives also to come with well formed strategy and then ensure its time-bound execution.
Dealing with RTI related areas,in isolation or for some specific interes area is alright,but administering/managing the show,nationwide,in most sensible/scientific way is another.
Unfortunately no seriour research work since inception of RTI Act,2005,has taken place and only piecemeal approach to get a hang of a few micro level areas is visible.CIC/SICs have no time to breathe,as per my repeated discussions with them,and Ministry of Personnel(DoPT),GOI has neither will nor capability to undertake any meaningful study/research in this VITAL area of administration,now considered as harbinger of second wave of socio-economic freedom struggle.
Isincerely appeal to dear colleagues and members to please concentrate on larger issues in cause of greater public good ,and preferably eschew internal strife and discourse on trivia.
Let me humbly submit that I'm prepared to take any case of injustice(at individual/collective level) figuring anywhere in the country relating to any dept/org.
Another request,if permitted,I would make(for a medium term goal) is to have a core group formed for the specific purpose of creating a network of a million strong RTI activists in the country. We all intelligent well meaning people can't suffer wretched governance in the country(Centre,States allover) any longer.
                Extremely sorry for the long post.Wouldn't do so in future.
spm
IPS DGP(retd)
BE MBA PhD
919841282324

 
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM, avinash chawla <achawla42@gmail.com> wrote:
In fact, the working of Govt must be totally transparent and as such all the files kept in govt offices  should be available for the public for its review. Hence all such information which may be of interest to Public must be put on the website of the concerned department so that there be no need for any body to ask for information through RTI. Further   any information given to any one under RTI must be put on the website so that there may not be repeated inquiries for similar information.   
Putting restrictions on parting of information would be a retrograde step and must not be encouraged even if it costs a bit to the Govt.as it serves the interest of larger public.
The demand for adding purpose to any query under RTI would demolish the very purpose of enacting RTI which seeks the Govt to keep transparency in its working.
Avinash Chawla



Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
Ref: Times of India
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/02/17&PageLabel=4&EntityId=Ar00403&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

I completely oppose such move. This will help Babus to deny information. First of all Suo motu disclosure should be implemented, citizens should have free access without time bound to any information. Govt is saying "misuse" because their many wrong doings are coming out. If Government is honest, how one can misuse the information? Misuse can happen only in form of blackmailing. You can let other blackmail you when you know you are wrong. This is a reactive step instead of proactive.

Regards
Govind

'Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act'

Prafulla Marpakwar TNN


Mumbai: Given the doubts raised by a section of chief ministers, the Centre is planning to amend the Right to Information (RTI) Act to curb its misuse.
    "A group of chief ministers has approached the Centre for amending the RTI Act. In several cases, it was used to settle personal scores by rival businessmen, builders and politicians," a senior information commissioner told TOI on Wednesday.
    The information commissioner said that when the Democratic Front government promulgated an ordinance in 2004 to provide for right to information, it was specifically mentioned that a person seeking information will have to state the purpose for which the information is required. When the Centre enacted the RTI Act in 2005, this clause was removed. "If the Centre wants to curb misuse, it must include the purpose clause in the act. It will have to move an amendment bill for the purpose," he said.
    The information commissioner said that in Mumbai, the maximum number of applications are filed by the same group of persons. "We are bound to provide information but we don't know how it will be used," he said.
    In Pune, the commissioner said, of the 2,500-odd appeals pending before the information commission, 800 are filed by 30 persons, while of the 2,200 applications filed under the RTI Act, 1,400 are by one person. "If we know the purpose, we can decide his case on merit," he said.
    If the Centre is serious, the commissioner said, it should ask the states to follow Karnataka government's example. "Karnataka has made it clear that an application will not have more than 250 words and that in one letter, the applicant will ask questions only about one issue. This has ensured that only genuine applicants seek information," he said. Secondly, the commissioner said, the act should allow for punitive action against mala fide applicants. Information is provided free of cost to below poverty line (BPL) applicants. In a recent case, a BPL applicant sought information on a project, which comprises 50,000 pages. "It seems that someone was using him to get the information free of cost," he said.


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______________________________
"The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people,
But because of the silence of good people!"

--Napoleon

Govind- 9960704146
URL: http://www.wix.com/hopegovind/homepage
Blog: http://simplygovind.blogspot.com




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Re: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

In fact, the working of Govt must be totally transparent and as such all the files kept in govt offices  should be available for the public for its review. Hence all such information which may be of interest to Public must be put on the website of the concerned department so that there be no need for any body to ask for information through RTI. Further   any information given to any one under RTI must be put on the website so that there may not be repeated inquiries for similar information.   
Putting restrictions on parting of information would be a retrograde step and must not be encouraged even if it costs a bit to the Govt.as it serves the interest of larger public.
The demand for adding purpose to any query under RTI would demolish the very purpose of enacting RTI which seeks the Govt to keep transparency in its working.
Avinash Chawla



Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
Ref: Times of India
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/02/17&PageLabel=4&EntityId=Ar00403&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

I completely oppose such move. This will help Babus to deny information. First of all Suo motu disclosure should be implemented, citizens should have free access without time bound to any information. Govt is saying "misuse" because their many wrong doings are coming out. If Government is honest, how one can misuse the information? Misuse can happen only in form of blackmailing. You can let other blackmail you when you know you are wrong. This is a reactive step instead of proactive.

Regards
Govind

'Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act'

Prafulla Marpakwar TNN


Mumbai: Given the doubts raised by a section of chief ministers, the Centre is planning to amend the Right to Information (RTI) Act to curb its misuse.
    "A group of chief ministers has approached the Centre for amending the RTI Act. In several cases, it was used to settle personal scores by rival businessmen, builders and politicians," a senior information commissioner told TOI on Wednesday.
    The information commissioner said that when the Democratic Front government promulgated an ordinance in 2004 to provide for right to information, it was specifically mentioned that a person seeking information will have to state the purpose for which the information is required. When the Centre enacted the RTI Act in 2005, this clause was removed. "If the Centre wants to curb misuse, it must include the purpose clause in the act. It will have to move an amendment bill for the purpose," he said.
    The information commissioner said that in Mumbai, the maximum number of applications are filed by the same group of persons. "We are bound to provide information but we don't know how it will be used," he said.
    In Pune, the commissioner said, of the 2,500-odd appeals pending before the information commission, 800 are filed by 30 persons, while of the 2,200 applications filed under the RTI Act, 1,400 are by one person. "If we know the purpose, we can decide his case on merit," he said.
    If the Centre is serious, the commissioner said, it should ask the states to follow Karnataka government's example. "Karnataka has made it clear that an application will not have more than 250 words and that in one letter, the applicant will ask questions only about one issue. This has ensured that only genuine applicants seek information," he said. Secondly, the commissioner said, the act should allow for punitive action against mala fide applicants. Information is provided free of cost to below poverty line (BPL) applicants. In a recent case, a BPL applicant sought information on a project, which comprises 50,000 pages. "It seems that someone was using him to get the information free of cost," he said.


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______________________________
"The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people,
But because of the silence of good people!"

--Napoleon

Govind- 9960704146
URL: http://www.wix.com/hopegovind/homepage
Blog: http://simplygovind.blogspot.com



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Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy

As per bio-datas of Aruna Roy accessible online, Ms Roy graduated from Indraprastha College for Women (Delhi University) in 1965 in English.

Secondly, I don't think that St Stephens was a co-ed college at that point of time.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:03 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Freinds

Can anyone inform me what is religion of member
NAC Aruna Roy. Can anyone confirm if she is
dalit or Tamil Christian who got into St Stevens
college on reservation quota.

S D Sharma

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[rti4empowerment] LODGE FRESH FIR AND FILE FRESH AFFIDAVIT, COMPENSATE APPELLANT, CIC ORDER TO ALL INDIA RADIO. NEW DELHI.

LODGE FRESH FIR AND FILE FRESH AFFIDAVIT, COMPENSATE APPELLANT, CIC ORDER TO ALL INDIA RADIO. NEW DELHI.

 

M K Gupta

The Central Information Commission has ordered News Service Division of All India Radio, New Delhi to file fresh affidavit and also register an FIR again in respect of missing file and documents, as was claimed by the D.K. Das, CPIO (Now Retired). Mrs. Annapurna Dixit, Central Information Commissioner has given these direction in the case of Mahendra Kumar Gupta, a resident of Sector 6, Dwarka, New Delhi. Gupta was working as temporary with the News Service Division of All India Radio, New Delhi.  He said that he filed some RTI applications with the Department and alleged that he has been removed for filling the applications.  When the CIC forced the AIR to give information for the reasons of his removal, in a noting of September, 2008 sent to the applicant, J.D. (N.R), AIR said that his (applicant) bonafide are doubtful and such a persons cannot be put on Duty.  When he asked to substantiate this, CPIO first stated that documents are not readily traceable and after that he said that these are missing/ lost during the shifting of office which took place in March, 2007. Though, in the start, different reasons for the removal of applicant were given including that he does not deserve for the post or does not operate computer properly though he was working there as temporary for the last six years.  In the order, Commission said that the CPIO has failed to issue the show cause notice to the officers responsible for the lapse and delay in action.  On the CIC order to lodge an FIR by the end of September, 2010, the same was lodged on  25.11.2010 and in the FIR, the date of occurrence (missing the documents/ file) was stated as on 22nd Sept. 2010 while in the affidavit, it was informed that the document were lost on a much earlier date.

          CIC has directed the new CPIO to submit a fresh affidavit giving the exact and correct information, file a fresh and appropriate FIR again for the loss of file/ documents and pay a compensation of Rs. 7,000/- to the applicant for the detriment/ mental harassment suffered by him and for deprivation of his fundamental Right to Information.  Mrs. Dixit, Information Commission also said that in view of the fact that the CPIO has retired,  no penalty proceeding can be initiated and the case does not merit invocation of Rule 8 or Rule 9 of the CCS (Pension) Rules.  She also directed the All India Radio to give strict warning to all the staff who are found even indirectly connected with the case abut the need for ensuring strict compliance with the Commission's order and to provide all information and compensate the applicant by 20.3.2011.

 

(Case No. CIC/AD/A/2010/000144 – decision available on CIC's website on 17.12.2010).


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[HumJanenge] Re: Some pigs are more equal than others - Part 1

Sanjeev

The PDF file is attached.
"Aruna Roy, Shekhar Singh vs. PIOs PMO, MoWR"

All these files have been removed from the website of CIC

Ashish

On Feb 19, 8:04 pm, Sanjeev Santoshi <sanjs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> WOW  !!!
>
> *The real reason SSP's height  was being raised was to generate huge
> quantities of stable electric power for certain secret nuclear processing
> and research facilities.
> *
> Is Wajjahat going to deny this happened ? I was searching for a copy of the
> "completely corrupt little orders" you said he delivered, Cant locate it on
> either of the CIC websites.
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: [HumJanenge] Some pigs are more equal than others - Part 1

WOW  !!!

The real reason SSP's height  was being raised was to generate huge quantities of stable electric power for certain secret nuclear processing and research facilities.

Is Wajjahat going to deny this happened ? I was searching for a copy of the "completely corrupt little orders" you said he delivered, Cant locate it on either of the CIC websites.


On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm writing this long post because of the recent flames on this list and is addressed
To some people who wanted to know

A) I am not related to Ms. Aruna Roy,
(PS; I also have a prestigious publication widely circulated to the creme of India society which leads me to believe that Ms. Aruna Jayaram is not married to Mr Sanjit ''Bunker" Roy, and hence her surname may not even be "Roy" like mine is)

B) I have never met Aruna Roy or spoken to her or corresponded with her directly,
The CIC also at their various little dos tries to see to it that we don't come within a km of each other.

C) My first brush with Ms.Aruna Roy was when the late Prakash Kardaley (moving spirit behind Humjanenge-YG) requested me and some other RTI personalities in Delhi to urgently intervene AGAINST Aruna Roy and Shekhar Singh in a "life or liberty" RTI request they had filed to PMO on behalf of Medha Patkar. This was sometime in early 2006.
Medha Patkar was on "hunger strike" (BTW, her "fast" was a complete pack of lies) against Narmada Dam's height being raised (and thereby washing away the fertile lands on which Patkar's 'kulak" financiers grow tobacco for beedis among other cash croppy things),  the Govt had sent a 3 member Cabinet team to inspect the site, NCPRI/NBA had obtained an unofficial copy of this report via Saifuddin Soz but desperately needed an official copy (Official Secret Act you know) to submit to SC (Prashant Bhushan had already filed a Writ based on this report with a "true typed copy" annexed listed for urgent hearing. As raising the height of SSP (Narmada Dam) would mainly benefit the people of Gujarat (a BJP fortress under NAC's arch devil Mr. Narendra Modi) the NAC brigade had worked out with Saifuddin Soz (he was the Water Resources Union Minister) that Aruna Roy's "48 hour" RTI would get her the info well in time for Prashant Bhushan to read out from it to the Court. The only stumbling block was that the report was officially with the PMO since Mr.Prithviraj Chavan (junior Minister at PMO) held it (but MoWR had a copy).

Mr Chavan knew (as did the anti-India NAC brigade) that the real reason SSP's height  was being raised was to generate huge quantities of stable electric power for certain secret nuclear processing and research facilities. Why a few of the new generation Tokamaks were even located in the land of Gandhi - Gujarat  :-)

Accordingly, since I had previously commented on all these aspects to the PMO (mainly at the request of my by then good friend Mr Kardaley - who was a true patriot), I wrote off to the PMO's PIO stating that I was a 3rd party in Aruna Roy's RTI request and that I opposed disclosure of this report which contained my confidential submissions and other intellectual property, and that national security required required that  this CONFIDENTIAL and SECRET report of Govt not be disclosed etc. in RTI

Based on my 3rd party request, the PMO promptly forwarded u/s 6(3) the entire RTI request ALONG WITH my 3rd party intervention to the Water Resources PIO to dispose off in the normal course. In the ordinary course this would have ensured that they didn't get the information for months (if not years).

Left with no other option, Aruna Roy (at the behest of her CIA ~KGB controllers) played the Sonia card. A phone call was made to Mr Habibullah, an urgent email u/s 18 of RTI Act was sent off to Mr H, and Mr Habibullah like a loyal little soldier in the N-G mafia fixed a hearing for them 2 days later WITHOUT sending me a 3rd party notice. Luckily, some patriotic citizens from Gujarat informed me about it, and I sent emails to Mr Habibullah informing him that I was a "registered 3rd party" in the matter and that the PMO's PIO  had also sent my papers to WR-PIO under advice to me, and that info should not be disclosed without following all 3rd party procedures and allowing me to exhaust all my remedies under the RTI Act etc, and that I would be present at that hearing.

Now Mr Habibullah is in a fix, the CIC was then him, Mr MM Ansari and 3 relatively upright (and coincidentally all non-Muslim) Information Commissioners - Mr Tiwari, Mr Kejriwal and Ms. Balasubramaniam.  Mr Habibullah of course (using his powers u/s 12-4) constituted a bench of himself and Mr Ansari. <wink> for this matter.

When I and Mr Veeresh Malik (representing the 3rd party people of India deliberately excluded from proceedings of this corrupt little NAC spy ring) reached the hearing venue, we noticed Ms Aruna Roy and some officers coming out of Mr Habibullah's office. When the hearing started, the first thing the Water Resources PIO said was that this hearing was not necessary because he had already handed over the said document (clearly marked as CONFIDENTIAL etc) outside the hearing hall to Ms. Aruna Roy a few minutes back.

Ar which point Arvind Kejriwal (who was representing Ms Roy & that other villain Shekar Singh - appearing in hearings being below their status) looked very zapped but as a matter of abundant precaution requested that a certified copy of the said report be given to him too (which Mr Ansari promptly ordered). When I raised the point about what happened to my 3rd party rights in the matter, Mr Habibullah (like the good soldier Schwiek) said there was no question of my being a 3rd party in this matter. Of course he passed a completely corrupt little order after this by misusing 1 of the only 2 skills in life he has.

As a true Indian, we didn't let the matter rest there, and we got Prashant Bhushan blocked in the Supreme Court  We also got somebody very high up to give Mr Habibullah a right royal ticking off (and he was humble and contrite for a month or 2 thereafter). The CIC also passed a resolution that EMAIL complaints and life or liberty complaints would not be entertained like this in future.

POST SCRIPT:

Mr Habibullah is now the National Minorities Chief and gets to retain his house and lal-batti.
Mr Ansari is now the interlocutor in J&K at a very handsome govt salary.

Mr A.N.Tiwari is enjoying his retirement
Mr O.P Kejriwal is enjoying his retirement
Ms. Padma Balasubramanian is (presumably) a housewife.

I hope this clarifies some of the issues. In my next posts with this subject I shall be writing on 2 famous quotes from George Orwell which have a direct bearing on RTI (and the traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat)

"All animals are equal" (but pigs are more equal than other animals)
from "Animal Farm"

and

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."
from "1984:

Sarbajit

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[rti4empowerment] FORCED SUBSCRIPTION FOR CRICKET SCORE ON AIR TELMOBILE

FORCED SUBSCRIPTION FOR CRICKET SCORE ON AIR TELMOBILE

 

M K Gupta, 9810550172

 

Got a message on 17.2.2011 from phone number 581810005 (9 digits number instead of 10) which reads, "Thank you for subscribing Cricket Pack at Rs.5/day. Simplest & Fastest Cricket Score updates.www.channel99.in/circ.in/jsp.

To unsubscribe Dial 321*618#.

 

Now, receiving message daily that your cricket pack has been renewed at Rs 5/day. (Without any request by me.)

 

Never requested to subscribe.  Onus for unsubscribing has been put on clients. Today, when called on aforesaid number for unsubscribing, first of all, some voice message not clearly understandable is heard and then jingles songs. 

 

On request to unsubscribe by opting reply option, no reply from the company so far.

 

On dialing aforesaid number viz. 318*618#. Every time messages are, "result unknown". 

 

Getting numerous messages about cricket scores daily and have to waste time in deleting them too. 

 

Why mobile Companies are forcing the customers to subscribe for cricket score?

 

Unwanted messages should also be banned like pesky (unwanted) calls, the deadline for banning such calls has time been extended second time till 28th February now.  This may be further extended result huge benefit to the mobile companies at the cost of incontinence and intrusion to the privacy of the mobile users.

 

The Government is giving priority to the interest of mobile operators over the interest of public.  Now, even un-interested mobile users will have to pay Rs. 5/day, will have to waste their time deleting such messages too while companies will earn crores of rupees on the helplessness of their clients.  Companies plead that they are developing infrastructure to stop pesky calls but to stop such forced subscription, no system is needed.  Rater, they must have developed some system for forcing their client such subscription.  In fact, Operators do not want to stop pesky call to earn lot of money and government approach is lax giving rise to speculation of collusion between the two.

 

How to save this deduction of Rs 5/ day as even this amount matter to me, a retired person without any pension/income and dependent on children? Solicit suggestion from enlighten members.

 

Copy by email <ap@trai.gov.in> - Telecom Regulatory Authority of India for necessary action


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[rti4empowerment] FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION – BABA RAMDEV ABUSED

FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION – BABA RAMDEV ABUSED

 

M K Gupta, Free Lancer.

 

"Bloody Indian Dog" was the reported words used by the M.P. of Arunachal Pradesh belonging to the C******. Baba Ramdev was speaking against corruption in the allocation of 2G spectrum scam at a Yoga Camp and Ninong Ering got furious over this.  Baba was very much anguished on the abuses hurled at him. Later, Mr. Ninong Ering, MP said that he never insuted Baba and only said to confine on Yoda.  The B** has condemned the reported abuses and has asked C****** for action against the MP.  Later, an spokesman of C******* has regretted the reported remarks.   Whether Baba is right or whether Ering has made an error or not but after these alleged caustic remarks, the war against corruption is going to be more resolute.


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Friday, February 18, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

This will also be a futile exercise and there are so many reasons for saying so specially when section 9, 24 and section 8 with certain exemption in RTI Act are alredy there. 
 
Person (s) behind such suggestion really deserve (s) kudo for innovate idea to blunt the Act. 

--- On Fri, 18/2/11, knknambudiri@gmail.com <knknambudiri@gmail.com> wrote:

From: knknambudiri@gmail.com <knknambudiri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 18 February, 2011, 6:59 PM

The whole suggessions are absurd. Reason clause or word limiting/subject limiting clause should not be introduced. The organisation spends lot of time for the estralishment needs of the Babus and subordinartes. So whart if some time and money is spared to provide information to the citizen, the real" MALIK". Knknamboodiri
Sent from BSNL with my BlackBerry® smartphone
From: "Govind... Hoping for better" <hopegovind@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:34:00 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; <HumJanenge@yahoogroups.co.in>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act

Ref: Times of India
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/02/17&PageLabel=4&EntityId=Ar00403&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

I completely oppose such move. This will help Babus to deny information. First of all Suo motu disclosure should be implemented, citizens should have free access without time bound to any information. Govt is saying "misuse" because their many wrong doings are coming out. If Government is honest, how one can misuse the information? Misuse can happen only in form of blackmailing. You can let other blackmail you when you know you are wrong. This is a reactive step instead of proactive.

Regards
Govind

'Centre must add purpose clause to RTI Act'

Prafulla Marpakwar TNN


Mumbai: Given the doubts raised by a section of chief ministers, the Centre is planning to amend the Right to Information (RTI) Act to curb its misuse.
    "A group of chief ministers has approached the Centre for amending the RTI Act. In several cases, it was used to settle personal scores by rival businessmen, builders and politicians," a senior information commissioner told TOI on Wednesday.
    The information commissioner said that when the Democratic Front government promulgated an ordinance in 2004 to provide for right to information, it was specifically mentioned that a person seeking information will have to state the purpose for which the information is required. When the Centre enacted the RTI Act in 2005, this clause was removed. "If the Centre wants to curb misuse, it must include the purpose clause in the act. It will have to move an amendment bill for the purpose," he said.
    The information commissioner said that in Mumbai, the maximum number of applications are filed by the same group of persons. "We are bound to provide information but we don't know how it will be used," he said.
    In Pune, the commissioner said, of the 2,500-odd appeals pending before the information commission, 800 are filed by 30 persons, while of the 2,200 applications filed under the RTI Act, 1,400 are by one person. "If we know the purpose, we can decide his case on merit," he said.
    If the Centre is serious, the commissioner said, it should ask the states to follow Karnataka government's example. "Karnataka has made it clear that an application will not have more than 250 words and that in one letter, the applicant will ask questions only about one issue. This has ensured that only genuine applicants seek information," he said. Secondly, the commissioner said, the act should allow for punitive action against mala fide applicants. Information is provided free of cost to below poverty line (BPL) applicants. In a recent case, a BPL applicant sought information on a project, which comprises 50,000 pages. "It seems that someone was using him to get the information free of cost," he said.


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______________________________
"The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people,
But because of the silence of good people!"

--Napoleon

Govind- 9960704146
URL: http://www.wix.com/hopegovind/homepage
Blog: http://simplygovind.blogspot.com



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Re: [HumJanenge] Traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat

Dear Mr ARS KUMAR

Firstly I must say that you have very impressive and varied academic qualifications.

It is not clear to me which Mr Sharma you are referring to in your message. I can update you that 2 Messrs Sharma - Dr. J.N and Govind have had their posting privileges to this group curtailed by a 3rd Mr Sharma.

It is also not clear to me as yet what Ms. Roy's religion is. Mr.Habibullah has stated Aruna Jayaram is/was a Tamil Brahman, other persons are saying she is a Dalit (father converted) Christian etc. The biography of Ms Roy on the Magsaysay Award website only claims that her Maternal grandparents are Brahmins and she married a non-Hindu/non-Brahmin in an irregular form of "marriage". Other online sources (like MKSS website) say that her parents removed her from Brahmanical Tamil Nadu (Why ??) to educate her in Christian schools

Let me clarify that as a secular person I fully respect every person right to freely practice and propagate their religion. I do not distinguish (and it is immaterial to me) if a person has a religion or not, or prays or not. It is a matter of individual faith and belief in which nobody else has a right to interfere. This is a constitutional FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT granted to every citizen of India. The only RESTRICTION is if exercising this right interferes with law,  order or public morality.

The question now is if citizens have a right to know Aruna Roy's religion (through RTI or otherwise). The NORMAL answer is resoundingly NO !!! But if I play the devils advocate here, there are certain circumstances which could require this information to be disclosed.

1) If the citizens has availed benefits from the Srate - such as admission into college or public service under a statutory / minority quota bypassing merit. Mr S.D.Sharma has clearly alluded to this in his first post to the group

2) If the person is a member of a Govt body - selected in an opaque and discretionary manner - no settled qualifications for the post - such as NAC. Mr S D Sharma has bonafide grounds to believe that religion played a significant part in Ms. Roy's selection as an NAC member. For instance, Chairperson NAC was married to Rajiv Gandhi, who represented at various times that he was a Hindu / Brahmin (by his maternal grandparents). Sonia Gandhi has never revealed what her religion is or that of her husband. So was Aruna Roy selected to NAC because she, like Sonia, is a) a closet Christian, b) a woman, c) A Brahman by her maternal grandparents ?. There are additional religious parallels, but I shall not list them here in the interest of brevity. It is pertinent that one of the laws NAC is drafting is on "violence against religious minorities" or suchlike. Aruna Roy is on this working group. Surely the people have a right to know the religion of people drafting this law. When was the last time someone from the majority community was appointed as Chairman Minorities Commission ?  Was Mr Habibullah picked because he is a Hindu ? Does the State not know and factor religion into its appointments ? IN SHORT: When somebody derives benefits from the State they lose their right to privacy. This is very well established.  As a LLB you know all this.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:33 AM, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Sharma , How many RTI Application have you filed by you and why you are concentrating on other issues nor than rti , why you are more particular about religion not about corruption in the country 
you are wasted members lot of time even though you are know Roy belongs to which religion , Dont waste the time of members , please stop immidately such disscussions , 

ARS KUMAR. BE. LLB. MA JOURNALISM 
SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST 


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Govind
      Your views may hurt some one, but it is good that you came out
to tell the truth
Dr JN Sharma

On 2/17/11, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. SD sharma should file an RTI application and should fight at personal
> level, he can go for litigation but discussion of non rTI related issue here
> and using the group for settling personal score by SRoy and SDS must be
> stopped immediately and Mr. roy should stick to policy of the group.
>
> This thread discussion and also the politician , peticoat and sleeping
> should immediately deleted. Better S Roy and SD Sharma give up their role as
> a moderator and should be handed over to a more responsbile person by voting
> of all members in this group in most democratic manner
>
> Govind
>
> On 17 February 2011 03:25, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <
> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wazahat Sahab THANKS
>>          There should not be so much quarry on one's religion
>>           Many people do not write surname.
>>           I feel lot of people are annoyed with Aruna Roy.
>>           I feel no more debate on this be allowed
>>            Regards
>>            Dr JN Sharma
>>            ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>
>> On 2/16/11, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>> > Aruna(my batch of IAS)'s real name: Aruna Jayaram, Brahman from Tamil
>> Nadu
>> > Wajahat

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Re: [HumJanenge] Traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat

Mr. Sharma , How many RTI Application have you filed by you and why you are concentrating on other issues nor than rti , why you are more particular about religion not about corruption in the country 
you are wasted members lot of time even though you are know Roy belongs to which religion , Dont waste the time of members , please stop immidately such disscussions , 

ARS KUMAR. BE. LLB. MA JOURNALISM 
SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST 

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Govind
      Your views may hurt some one, but it is good that you came out
to tell the truth
Dr JN Sharma

On 2/17/11, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. SD sharma should file an RTI application and should fight at personal
> level, he can go for litigation but discussion of non rTI related issue here
> and using the group for settling personal score by SRoy and SDS must be
> stopped immediately and Mr. roy should stick to policy of the group.
>
> This thread discussion and also the politician , peticoat and sleeping
> should immediately deleted. Better S Roy and SD Sharma give up their role as
> a moderator and should be handed over to a more responsbile person by voting
> of all members in this group in most democratic manner
>
> Govind
>
> On 17 February 2011 03:25, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <
> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wazahat Sahab THANKS
>>          There should not be so much quarry on one's religion
>>           Many people do not write surname.
>>           I feel lot of people are annoyed with Aruna Roy.
>>           I feel no more debate on this be allowed
>>            Regards
>>            Dr JN Sharma
>>            ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>
>> On 2/16/11, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>> > Aruna(my batch of IAS)'s real name: Aruna Jayaram, Brahman from Tamil
>> Nadu
>> > Wajahat
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "S.D. Sharma" <anonsharma@yahoo.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:59 pm
>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat
>> > To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> >
>> >> Few days back I put a query someone had emailed me to this group.
>> >>
>> >> A young lady researcher from Shri Lanka who is interviewing me for
>> >> her project on Rajiv Gandhi assassination investigation, wanted to
>> >> know why Sonia's NAC is packed with "communists,  atheists
>> >> and secularists" and if it is true that practising Hindus and Muslims
>> >> are excluded because Sonia Gandhi cannot stand being confined in
>> >> the same room with them.  2 of the names we were discussing are
>> >> those of Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander.
>> >>
>> >> These 2 people have many things in common. They are both converts
>> >> from their parents religion. Harsh Mander is said to be a Sikh who
>> >> cuts his hair to become a Catholic. Aruna Roy is said to be a Dalit
>> >> Christian from Tamil Nadu who is the common law "wife" of another
>> >> casteless (ie. "secular") Bengali fellow. Both of them were corrupt IAS
>> >> officers who were given the option to resign from service or else be
>> >> dismissed.
>> >>
>> >> Both these corrupt people have a high level godfather by name of
>> >> Dr Naresh Saxena. He is the godfather of India's development mafia
>> >> and is one of the biggest fixers of India and is totally in pocket of
>> >> World Bank, IMF and Russian mafia. Saxena introduced Aruna
>> >> Roy to Sonia for NAC-I, and then also got Harsh Mander inducted
>> >> for NAC-II. These 3 person now collectively run the NAC on behalf
>> >> of Sonia and KGB. Aruna Roy's "husband" gets international aid
>> >> running into 20 CRORES each year from KGB front organisation
>> >> located in Germany and other places in Europe.
>> >>
>> >> It is very well known that Sonia Gandhji was a agent of former
>> >> KGB under the real name of Antonia Maino. The former Law
>> >> minister Dr. Subramaniam Swamy has published all papers for
>> >> this on his party's website and defied Sonia Gandhi to sue him.
>> >> Citizens who file RTI requests seeking to know information
>> >> on Sonia's religion are blocked by the corrupt courts.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore, citizens of India, have the right to know Aruna Roy's
>> >> real name and religion, and Sonia Gandhi's real name and religion.
>> >> These people are public servants, as defined in Indian Penal Code.
>> >> Public interest requires this information be disclosed.
>> >> Some people say their religion is HUMANISM. Other people
>> >> say their only religion is POWER & CORRUPTION.
>> >>
>> >> S D Sharma
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ______________________________
> *"The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people,
> But because of the silence of good people!"
>
> --Napoleon*
>
> *Govind*- 9960704146
> URL: http://www.wix.com/hopegovind/homepage
> Blog: http://simplygovind.blogspot.com
>

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Re: 04 - Re: [HumJanenge] Re: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

Dear Mr Anil, Mr Roy,

You have both made serious charges against each other. As an old and dormant member of RTI-India, I was also somewhat surprised when Mr Heble stopped posting to that group. It seems that there is some old history between the 2 of you, so it is better these are resolved publicly in the larger interests of RTI and also this group.

On Feb 19, 9:26 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col. Heble
>
> I presume you are referring to me.
>
> Firstly, we don't moderate or censor posts to this group. Our moderation
> policy is not based on "insolence" but on transparent regulations which are
> unexceptionable and similar to many other online groups / fora, and designed
> to ensure compliance inter-alia with Google Terms of Service.
>
> Secondly, as you have made allegations / insinuations against the
> moderators, I am exercising my right to reply.
>
> Your efforts in RTI (based on what I know and the CIC decisions in your
> matters in re DIAL, AAI etc) were certainly NOT in the public interest, but
> in furtherance of your private problems - namely that you were a landowner
> in an illegal encroachment on Airport Authority of India owned land, that
> you were trying to extend the old lal-dora boundaries of the existing
> village of Shahbad Mohdpur to seek shelter for your illegal colony under the
> regularisation scheme, that in addition to your illegal palatial bungalow
> built on this encroached land you were also running a courier and cargo
> business from there in blatant violation of the Master Plan and other laws
> etc. That you are a misuser of RTI for personal benefit (not larger public
> interest) and that hence I and the other "responsible" RTIers on RTI_India
> declined to assist you in your RTI misuse. etc for the illegal "community"
> you live in. Or perhaps I am wrong and I am thinking of some other person,
> so you may correct me and I shall apologise ?!
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, ANIL HEBLE <heblea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. Bhanot
>
> > Extremely well said. I stopped interacting or replying or being a part of
> the group precisely for reasons mentioned by Mr. Surendra Bhanot
> > The arrogance, abusive and self assigned power of at least one moderator
> and to some extent of other too was misplaced.
>
> > However inspite of the moderators, the community I live in has largely
> been benefitted by my efforts through RTI, its erstwhile members who always
> rendered helpful advice and at no stage were rude and insulting, specially
> one of them.
>
> > There is nothing anyone amongst the present lot can do to help others or
> seemingly be a part of this platform.
>
> > Therefore I am a dormant member and in may years this is perhaps my first
> reply, if indeed gets through insolent moderators.
>
> > Best Regards
>
> > Lt Col (Retd) Anil Heble
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[HumJanenge] Re: Some pigs are more equal than others - Part 1

Dear Mr. Roy

Thank you for this very informative post. It rightly clarifies aspects of the acrimonious debate about Aruna Roy on Humjanenge and why we RTIers should know about these things, specifically role of NAC - petticoat of Sonia Gandhi. You mentioned that Aruna Roy is a member of this group, so am waiting for her reply too, as well as your next mail on this topic.

On Feb 19, 8:46 am, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm writing this long post because of the recent flames on this list and is
> addressed
> To some people who wanted to know
>
> A) I am not related to Ms. Aruna Roy,
> (PS; I also have a prestigious publication widely circulated to the creme of
> India society which leads me to believe that Ms. Aruna Jayaram is not
> married to Mr Sanjit ''Bunker" Roy, and hence her surname may not even be
> "Roy" like mine is)
>
> B) I have never met Aruna Roy or spoken to her or corresponded with her
> directly,

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Re: 04 - Re: [HumJanenge] Re: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE

Dear Col. Heble

I presume you are referring to me.

Firstly, we don't moderate or censor posts to this group. Our moderation policy is not based on "insolence" but on transparent regulations which are unexceptionable and similar to many other online groups / fora, and designed to ensure compliance inter-alia with Google Terms of Service.

Secondly, as you have made allegations / insinuations against the moderators, I am exercising my right to reply.

Your efforts in RTI (based on what I know and the CIC decisions in your matters in re DIAL, AAI etc) were certainly NOT in the public interest, but in furtherance of your private problems - namely that you were a landowner in an illegal encroachment on Airport Authority of India owned land, that you were trying to extend the old lal-dora boundaries of the existing village of Shahbad Mohdpur to seek shelter for your illegal colony under the regularisation scheme, that in addition to your illegal palatial bungalow built on this encroached land you were also running a courier and cargo business from there in blatant violation of the Master Plan and other laws etc. That you are a misuser of RTI for personal benefit (not larger public interest) and that hence I and the other "responsible" RTIers on RTI_India declined to assist you in your RTI misuse. etc for the illegal "community" you live in. Or perhaps I am wrong and I am thinking of some other person, so you may correct me and I shall apologise ?!

Sarbajit

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, ANIL HEBLE <hebleanil@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Bhanot
>
> Extremely well said. I stopped interacting or replying or being a part of the group precisely for reasons mentioned by Mr. Surendra Bhanot
>
> The arrogance, abusive and self assigned power of at least one moderator and to some extent of other too was misplaced.
>
> However inspite of the moderators, the community I live in has largely been benefitted by my efforts through RTI, its erstwhile members who always rendered helpful advice and at no stage were rude and insulting, specially one of them.
>
> There is nothing anyone amongst the present lot can do to help others or seemingly be a part of this platform.
>
> Therefore I am a dormant member and in may years this is perhaps my first reply, if indeed gets through insolent moderators.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Lt Col (Retd) Anil Heble  
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[HumJanenge] Some pigs are more equal than others - Part 1

I'm writing this long post because of the recent flames on this list and is addressed
To some people who wanted to know

A) I am not related to Ms. Aruna Roy,
(PS; I also have a prestigious publication widely circulated to the creme of India society which leads me to believe that Ms. Aruna Jayaram is not married to Mr Sanjit ''Bunker" Roy, and hence her surname may not even be "Roy" like mine is)

B) I have never met Aruna Roy or spoken to her or corresponded with her directly,
The CIC also at their various little dos tries to see to it that we don't come within a km of each other.

C) My first brush with Ms.Aruna Roy was when the late Prakash Kardaley (moving spirit behind Humjanenge-YG) requested me and some other RTI personalities in Delhi to urgently intervene AGAINST Aruna Roy and Shekhar Singh in a "life or liberty" RTI request they had filed to PMO on behalf of Medha Patkar. This was sometime in early 2006.
Medha Patkar was on "hunger strike" (BTW, her "fast" was a complete pack of lies) against Narmada Dam's height being raised (and thereby washing away the fertile lands on which Patkar's 'kulak" financiers grow tobacco for beedis among other cash croppy things),  the Govt had sent a 3 member Cabinet team to inspect the site, NCPRI/NBA had obtained an unofficial copy of this report via Saifuddin Soz but desperately needed an official copy (Official Secret Act you know) to submit to SC (Prashant Bhushan had already filed a Writ based on this report with a "true typed copy" annexed listed for urgent hearing. As raising the height of SSP (Narmada Dam) would mainly benefit the people of Gujarat (a BJP fortress under NAC's arch devil Mr. Narendra Modi) the NAC brigade had worked out with Saifuddin Soz (he was the Water Resources Union Minister) that Aruna Roy's "48 hour" RTI would get her the info well in time for Prashant Bhushan to read out from it to the Court. The only stumbling block was that the report was officially with the PMO since Mr.Prithviraj Chavan (junior Minister at PMO) held it (but MoWR had a copy).

Mr Chavan knew (as did the anti-India NAC brigade) that the real reason SSP's height  was being raised was to generate huge quantities of stable electric power for certain secret nuclear processing and research facilities. Why a few of the new generation Tokamaks were even located in the land of Gandhi - Gujarat  :-)

Accordingly, since I had previously commented on all these aspects to the PMO (mainly at the request of my by then good friend Mr Kardaley - who was a true patriot), I wrote off to the PMO's PIO stating that I was a 3rd party in Aruna Roy's RTI request and that I opposed disclosure of this report which contained my confidential submissions and other intellectual property, and that national security required required that  this CONFIDENTIAL and SECRET report of Govt not be disclosed etc. in RTI

Based on my 3rd party request, the PMO promptly forwarded u/s 6(3) the entire RTI request ALONG WITH my 3rd party intervention to the Water Resources PIO to dispose off in the normal course. In the ordinary course this would have ensured that they didn't get the information for months (if not years).

Left with no other option, Aruna Roy (at the behest of her CIA ~KGB controllers) played the Sonia card. A phone call was made to Mr Habibullah, an urgent email u/s 18 of RTI Act was sent off to Mr H, and Mr Habibullah like a loyal little soldier in the N-G mafia fixed a hearing for them 2 days later WITHOUT sending me a 3rd party notice. Luckily, some patriotic citizens from Gujarat informed me about it, and I sent emails to Mr Habibullah informing him that I was a "registered 3rd party" in the matter and that the PMO's PIO  had also sent my papers to WR-PIO under advice to me, and that info should not be disclosed without following all 3rd party procedures and allowing me to exhaust all my remedies under the RTI Act etc, and that I would be present at that hearing.

Now Mr Habibullah is in a fix, the CIC was then him, Mr MM Ansari and 3 relatively upright (and coincidentally all non-Muslim) Information Commissioners - Mr Tiwari, Mr Kejriwal and Ms. Balasubramaniam.  Mr Habibullah of course (using his powers u/s 12-4) constituted a bench of himself and Mr Ansari. <wink> for this matter.

When I and Mr Veeresh Malik (representing the 3rd party people of India deliberately excluded from proceedings of this corrupt little NAC spy ring) reached the hearing venue, we noticed Ms Aruna Roy and some officers coming out of Mr Habibullah's office. When the hearing started, the first thing the Water Resources PIO said was that this hearing was not necessary because he had already handed over the said document (clearly marked as CONFIDENTIAL etc) outside the hearing hall to Ms. Aruna Roy a few minutes back.

Ar which point Arvind Kejriwal (who was representing Ms Roy & that other villain Shekar Singh - appearing in hearings being below their status) looked very zapped but as a matter of abundant precaution requested that a certified copy of the said report be given to him too (which Mr Ansari promptly ordered). When I raised the point about what happened to my 3rd party rights in the matter, Mr Habibullah (like the good soldier Schwiek) said there was no question of my being a 3rd party in this matter. Of course he passed a completely corrupt little order after this by misusing 1 of the only 2 skills in life he has.

As a true Indian, we didn't let the matter rest there, and we got Prashant Bhushan blocked in the Supreme Court  We also got somebody very high up to give Mr Habibullah a right royal ticking off (and he was humble and contrite for a month or 2 thereafter). The CIC also passed a resolution that EMAIL complaints and life or liberty complaints would not be entertained like this in future.

POST SCRIPT:

Mr Habibullah is now the National Minorities Chief and gets to retain his house and lal-batti.
Mr Ansari is now the interlocutor in J&K at a very handsome govt salary.

Mr A.N.Tiwari is enjoying his retirement
Mr O.P Kejriwal is enjoying his retirement
Ms. Padma Balasubramanian is (presumably) a housewife.

I hope this clarifies some of the issues. In my next posts with this subject I shall be writing on 2 famous quotes from George Orwell which have a direct bearing on RTI (and the traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat)

"All animals are equal" (but pigs are more equal than other animals)
from "Animal Farm"

and

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."
from "1984:

Sarbajit
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Re: 04 - Re: [HumJanenge] Re: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE



From: Surendera M. Bhanot <surendera@avissoftware.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
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Dear Mr. Bhanot

 

Extremely well said. I stopped interacting or replying or being a part of the group precisely for reasons mentioned by Mr. Surendra Bhanot

 

The arrogance, abusive and self assigned power of at least one moderator and to some extent of other too was misplaced. 

 

However inspite of the moderators, the community I live in has largely been benefitted by my efforts through RTI, its erstwhile members who always rendered helpful advice and at no stage were rude and insulting, specially one of them.

 

There is nothing anyone amongst the present lot can do to help others or seemingly be a part of this platform.

 

Therefore I am a dormant member and in may years this is perhaps my first reply, if indeed gets through insolent moderators.

 

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Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy

Mr.H.P. You are right. The system of exploitation is everywhere and in every religion, caste, color, tribe or creed as you put it. And that is what I was trying to express in my response. The Vatican or Christianity is no exception. Yes, we must move on. But clearing our mind of our deep set prejudices is part of that moving on. We must at least find a common ground, however small that space be,  where we can agree on to work together. We already have it in you response.

TA John



On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:30 AM, H P <hgpandya@gmail.com> wrote:
We must stop this...but I must tell to John that there r Brahmin's in western world and in Vatican too, and they too treated a class as dalit and women too. The system of exploitation is every where by caste, colour, race, tribe or creed.
So u need to blame Brahmin's in Christianity too.....and be open to every religion, as the weakness in Hinduism was a case of exploitation by Islam and Christianity.


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
Agree to John

On 17 February 2011 00:36, TA John <tajohnsj@gmail.com> wrote:
This is pathetic to say the least. The question inquiring the religion of Ms. Aruna Roy and the response, "most Brahmins of Hindu religion are worst human beings because they created Varna System and exploited the dalits and others and their own women." are both most pathetic, indeed ! Where do we go from here with such prejudicial and low thinking?. Which is that religion or rather who are those people belonging to any religion who have not exploited women, dalits, tribals, lower class or upper class people? Someone in this chain of letters also have linked Christians to the killing of Rajiv Gandhi. And so there are others who killed a large number of Sikhs just because Indira Gandhi was gunned down by a person belonging to Sikh religion. With such perverse thinking, how can any people, community or country make progress in civilization. How can anyone blame a religion or a community for the wrong deeds by one or few individuals of the religion or community in question? I think we can do better and be more sane in our way of thinking

TA John


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Malay Dewanji <malaydewanji@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. S. D. Sharma,
I am really surprised to know your question about the religion of Ms. Aruna Roy . I do not believe in any religion and there are many Indians like me, who do not believe in any religion. Moreover, most Brhamins of Hindu religion are worst human beings, because they created "Varna System" and exploited the dalits and others and their own women ( Mother, Wife and daughter ) for many ages. You should feel ashamed to claim as Brahmin.
With all be st wishes.
Yours sincerely
Malay Dewanji
Chairman,
Rashtriya Ganabikash Manch
and Editor, Ganabikash(A Bengali News Magazine).

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:56 PM, raja bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Which school have you been Mr Sharma?
 If she tell what will do and if not what can u do?
Plz try to be a bit more educated and discuss some causes of Public Interest.

Yours 

Hindu/Xtian/Brahmin/ Sindhi/Muslim/Bengali/and what ever u feel U add. 

--- On Sun, 13/2/11, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy

To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 13 February, 2011, 9:35 PM


Dear Freind

I am Hindu Brahman Kashmir Pandit, like Jawaharlal Nehru
and Anupam Kher

Rajiv Gandhi was blown by LTTE. LTTE was heavilly finance by
network of Christian churches to funnelled money to LTTE
through network of NGOs run by persons of NCRPI very
close to Aruna Ray.

Is it not funny when when Rajiv's widow Sonia forgives the
LTTE murderers like Nalini and rewardss Aruna Roy with
the membership of NAC ?? What is the problem for
Aruna Roy to disclose her religion like me ? What is she
ashamed of ? what also is Sonia Ganhdi ashamed of ?

S D Sharma

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Which public purpose r u going to serve after getting this information?

Let us introduce one rule for this blog that there should not be any personalized attack or character assisination of any activist.

May I know your religion, Mr. Sharma?

Request the moderators either to unsubscribe me immediately or do not allow purposeless mails intended leg-pulling of others.This is the time when other members should protest this kind of behaviour on a public blog to settle some personal score.

--- On Sun, 13/2/11, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] What is religion of Aruna Roy
To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 13 February, 2011, 6:03 PM


Freinds

Can anyone inform me what is religion of member
NAC Aruna Roy. Can anyone confirm if she is
dalit or Tamil Christian who got into St Stevens
college on reservation quota.

S D Sharma






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Hony. General Secretary, LAMP, Kolkata.
and
Hony. Secretary General, AIAVA, New Delhi.
Phone:919830082476





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