Saturday, February 25, 2012

Re: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

A similar Article But offcourse High lighting Mr Seth Being From Bangalore (or is Residing ?) is Appearing in Todays Deccan Herald.
Since I Come across Several RTI requests being turned down by PIOs in Banks Mostly on Very Silly issues or Requests which never fall under the Fiduciary Capacity Shelter Clause , It would be a Good Proposition to Keenly Observe this Person if Appointed .
I also Understand by Documents Supplied by CIC itself that IBA which is just an Association has issued letters of caution/instructions to CEO's of all Public Sector Banks of What information should be Parted or not. This Association is not a Public authority
Mr Seth was One of the Managing committee member at that time .
For Breveity i cite one Sample refusal under Fiduciary clause being " the Inward register of RTI Appln's includes the details of the applications which were submitted by other parties to the CPIO under the act (meaning RTI act) as this information relates to personal information the disclosure of which has no relationship to any public activity or interest or disclosure of such information would cause unwarrented invasion of the privacy of any individiual as such information sought cannot be provided
Freinds can offer thier Comments
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Sat, 25/2/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 10:43 PM
> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms
>
> NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
> Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as
> three new
> Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.
>
> Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary
> Vijai
> Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director
> Basant Seth
> have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central
> Information
> Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending
> appeals
> under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.
>
> A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which
> included Law
> Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma
> Swaraj
> shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.
>
> According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the
> transparency
> panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central
> Information
> Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information
> Commissioners
> leaving a shortage of five.
>
> A formal announcement on the appointment would be made
> shortly, they
> said.
>
> Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has
> served IB
> for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington.
> He took
> over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before
> retiring on
> December 31, 2010.
>
> Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre,
> was
> secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his
> superannuation in
> December 2010.
>
> He held number of positions in the state including State
> Housing
> Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State
> Pollution
> Control Board among others.
>
> Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held
> senior
> positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of
> India.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

How about starting with Syndicate Bank ?
Whose CMD has been selected to be a new IC in the CIC !

RTIwanted

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members

VERY URGENT - please respond.

One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).

The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.


Sarbajit


 


Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

By "non implementation" do you only mean - NO implementation OR does it also include "poor quality" or a "part" impelmentation ?

RTIwanted

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Dear Members

VERY URGENT - please respond.


The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.



Sarbajit


Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

But ICs who filed RTI applications before becoming ICs, in fact withdrew their second appeals / complaints when they came up for hearing !

RTiwanted


From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures


I think it should be made mandatory for all ICs to file at least 5
RTIs a month in their personal capacity to test if the system is
working.




Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI




I think Sarbajit was making a different point.
:-)



On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, R. S. Fauzdar <fauzdarrs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes! I agree 100% with you, since I came across 2 such NGO,s  groups geting  hell lot of money from Govt in the name of looking after the welfare of Widows in VRINDABAN & its amazing to know that they are living in a Pathetic conditions. 

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:07 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI

A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine  should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.

More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.

Sarbajit

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx

"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership  (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "







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Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI




With a Prime Minister unfit to be a Govt clerk what else can we expect? You are right about Hospitals and the blank protection  to anything "Nuclear". Mahatma Gandhi must be happy to be dead and gone from this land.
--
Sujit




On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine  should be exempted
from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
and clarify the situation once and for all.

More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
publish.

Sarbajit

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx

"Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
Partnership  (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
and accountability. "





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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

- J. Krishnamurti

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sujit Patwardhan
patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com
sujit@parisar.org
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India
Tel: +91 20 25537955
Cell: +91 98220 26627
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blog: http://motif.posterous.com/
Parisar: www.parisar.org
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Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures


Dear gupta ji, did you get acknowledgement for your petition ?  rgds. beniwal
--- On Sat, 25/2/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 2:42 PM

the petition sent to the CJI on section 4 is enclosed. it was sent on
june 29 2011.

On 2/25/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sir,
> I have send the application related to section 4(1)(b) to Directorate
> of estates, Ministry of Petroleum, Bharat petroleum corporation
> limited, Hindustan Petroleum corporation limited, Indian Oil
> Corporation limited. the application sent to the directorate of
> estates is enclosed.
> regards
> sandeep
>
> On 2/25/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Members
>>
>> VERY URGENT - please respond.
>>
>> One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
>> newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
>> RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
>> their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>>
>> The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
>> a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>>
>> I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
>> working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
>> authorities they are interested in exposing.
>>
>> As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair
>> RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
>> them into action.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On 2/24/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This article shows the archaic, ill-informed and "cover up" mindset at
>>> CIC.
>>> I think it should be made mandatory for all ICs to file at least 5
>>> RTIs a month in their personal capacity to test if the system is
>>> working.
>>>
>>> Section 4(1)(b) disclosure is not neither the beginning nor the end of
>>> RTI. Implement 4(1)(a)fFIRST and THEN 4(1)(c) and 4(1)(d). I (and many
>>> other RTI experts) say that 4(1)(b) can safely be scrapped from the
>>> RTI Act if the rest of section 4 is implemented.
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/government-judiciary-not-interested-in-rti-disclosures-cic-satyananda-mishra/articleshow/12013178.cms
>>>
>>> Speaking to ET, Central Information Commissioner Satyananda Mishra
>>> said, "The biggest issue on RTI Act implementation is whether the
>>> government departments have implemented Section 4 (1) (b) and
>>> voluntarily disclosed information on their websites. We have got a
>>> study done and when I say that none of the websites of Government of
>>> India follow the disclosure law, it is not an exaggeration. Even the
>>> high courts are no better."
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>


--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Is it possible that we file a petition in the apex court related so
same. problem is that i do not know a lawyer who can file the case
with reasonable costs. Let us all contribute for the cause.

On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will also file applications to 15 public authorities. please provide
> me the names of such public authorities. if there is a specific
> application drafted, please send me.
>
> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> rk.maggo@nic.in (Department of pharmaceuticals)
>>
>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Secretary, Department of fertilizers (PIO mail not working) :
>>> fertsec@nic.in
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> sarbajit sir,
>>>> Please redraft my application so that i could get proper information.
>>>> let the group members also be guided in the matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> r.mohan87@nic.in, "saradac" <sarada.khan@nic.in (ministry of youth
>>>>> affairs and sports)
>>>>> usadmn@dae.gov.in (APIO in case of department of atomic energy)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/25/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Manoj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
>>>>>> humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
>>>>>> small / partial info from MoUD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
>>>>>> group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
>>>>>> some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
>>>>>> is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I repeat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please assist us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil
>>>>>>> sibal
>>>>>>> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing
>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>>>>>>> (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
>>>>>>> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>>>>>>> (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work
>>>>>>> (10-times
>>>>>>> earning))
>>>>>>> (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as
>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg
>>>>>>> colleges
>>>>>>> is not being made available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> expect 4.1.b information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with regards
>>>>>>> manoj k.kamra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Dear Members
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
>>>>>>> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least"
>>>>>>> > 1,000
>>>>>>> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking
>>>>>>> > for
>>>>>>> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then
>>>>>>> > highlighted
>>>>>>> > as
>>>>>>> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the
>>>>>>> > group)
>>>>>>> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
>>>>>>> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy
>>>>>>> > arm-chair
>>>>>>> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to
>>>>>>> > stimulate
>>>>>>> > them into action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>


--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

I will also file applications to 15 public authorities. please provide
me the names of such public authorities. if there is a specific
application drafted, please send me.

On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> rk.maggo@nic.in (Department of pharmaceuticals)
>
> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Secretary, Department of fertilizers (PIO mail not working) :
>> fertsec@nic.in
>>
>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> sarbajit sir,
>>> Please redraft my application so that i could get proper information.
>>> let the group members also be guided in the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/26/12, Sandeep gupta <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> r.mohan87@nic.in, "saradac" <sarada.khan@nic.in (ministry of youth
>>>> affairs and sports)
>>>> usadmn@dae.gov.in (APIO in case of department of atomic energy)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/25/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Manoj
>>>>>
>>>>> I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
>>>>> humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
>>>>> small / partial info from MoUD.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
>>>>> group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
>>>>> some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
>>>>> is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament
>>>>>
>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
>>>>> As. !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please assist us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil
>>>>>> sibal
>>>>>> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing
>>>>>> major
>>>>>> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>>>>>> (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
>>>>>> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>>>>>> (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work
>>>>>> (10-times
>>>>>> earning))
>>>>>> (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as
>>>>>> per
>>>>>> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg
>>>>>> colleges
>>>>>> is not being made available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> expect 4.1.b information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with regards
>>>>>> manoj k.kamra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear Members
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
>>>>>> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least"
>>>>>> > 1,000
>>>>>> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking
>>>>>> > for
>>>>>> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted
>>>>>> > as
>>>>>> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
>>>>>> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
>>>>>> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy
>>>>>> > arm-chair
>>>>>> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
>>>>>> > them into action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Sarbajit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>


--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [.RTI.] Re: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI

these are already under RTI. I have been able to get information from
many NGOs under RTI. but there should be some proof that these have
got some funding from the government directly or indirectly. Meaning
of indirectly: Got exemption from income tax department, got land at
concessional rates, got exemption in revenue payment while purchasing
land, got land at discretionary quota or similar benefits.
i have got many judgements of the punjab state information commission
which have ordered disclosure.

On 2/25/12, Mohammed Afzal <mohdafzal1963@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes indeed, if there is transparency in running the affairs of the NGOs, I
> see no reason why they resist coming under the preview of the RTI act.
>
> Regds - Mohammed Afzal.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 24-Feb-2012, at 12:53 PM, "R. S. Fauzdar" <fauzdarrs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes! I agree 100% with you, since I came across 2 such NGO,s groups
>> geting hell lot of money from Govt in the name of looking after the
>> welfare of Widows in VRINDABAN & its amazing to know that they are living
>> in a Pathetic conditions.
>>
>> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:07 PM
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Panel: Bring NGOs, PPPs under RTI
>>
>> A "high level panel" on public health has said that NGOs (code word
>> for societies and trusts) should be brought under RTI Act. Next they
>> will say that every hospital with an X-ray machine should be exempted
>> from RTI as a "nuclear installation". Amend the RTI Act to allow this
>> and clarify the situation once and for all.
>>
>> More rubbish from our national newspapers who have run out of news to
>> publish.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Panel-Bring-NGOs-PPPs-under-RTI/Article1-816075.aspx
>>
>> "Every non-government organisation (NGO) and Public-Private
>> Partnership (PPP) project should come under purview of the Right To
>> Information Act, a panel appointed by Prime Manmohan Singh has said. A
>> high-level panel on public health has told the government that RTI
>> should be made mandatory for all NGOs and public private partnerships
>> working in the social sector such as health to improve transparency
>> and accountability. "
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
1778, Sector 14, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Re: Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Hi Manoj

I m replying about your email as well as those of Dr. Sandeep Gupta.

1) Dr Gupta's applications/petitions are not properly drafted (in my
humble opinion). He is unlikely to get any reply from SC, and only
small / partial info from MoUD.

2) Your own email about AICTE is not very clear.

It is precisely because of such issues that a leading NATIONAL News
group plans to file over 1,000 RTI requests which will definitely get
some results. We also plan that an identical copy of the RTI request
is filed by some like minded Members of Parliament

What we need are latest EMAIL IDs of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
As. !!!

I repeat

What we need are latest EMAIL Ids of all CPIOs of troublesome P/
As. !!!

Please assist us.

Sarbajit


On Feb 25, 10:21 pm, Manoj Kamra <manojka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
>
>        AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil sibal
> is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing major
> corruption for AICTE are------------------
>                     (a) list of engg colleges recognised by
> AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise
>                     (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office in
> last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work (10-times
> earning))
>                     (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges of
> rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared to
> have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as per
> AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two years.
>
>               Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg colleges
> is not being made available.
>
> , Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How can we
> expect 4.1.b information.
>
>  with regards
> manoj k.kamra
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Members
>
> > VERY URGENT - please respond.
>
> > One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
> > newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
> > RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
> > their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).
>
> > The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
> > a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.
>
> > I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
> > working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
> > authorities they are interested in exposing.
>
> > As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair
> > RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
> > them into action.
>
> > Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] Government, judiciary not interested in RTI disclosures

Dear Sarbajit Roy ji,
 
 
       AICTE ---forget about 4.1.b , this notorous body of Mr.Kapil sibal is adamant to ignore applications.A little part of 4.1.b exposing major corruption for AICTE are------------------
                    (a) list of engg colleges recognised by AICTE------- since last five/ten years -------yearwise 
                    (b) staff strength of AICTE regional/head office in last five/ten years (as same staff is handling 10-times work (10-times earning))
                    (c) last two inspection reports of engg colleges of rajasthan(or any state) --------as per its RTI reply, AICTE declared to have destroyed and retaining only last inspection report whereas as per AICTE Act, inspection is to be carried out at least once in every two years.
                   
 
              Such suo-motu information especially, list of engg colleges is not being made available.
                   
 
 
, Highcourts-------- Even CIC decisions are not being complied. How can we expect 4.1.b information.
 
 
 with regards
manoj k.kamra
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Members

VERY URGENT - please respond.

One of our members, who is very high up with a leading
newspaper/publishing group has kindly offered to file "at least" 1,000
RTI requests to PIOs of various CENTRAL public authorities asking for
their suo-moto disclosure of section 4(1)(b).

The most shocking cases of non-implementation will then highlighted as
a daily series spanning over 2 weeks.

I would therefore request our members to email me (or to the group)
working EMAIL IDs of each and every CPIO of those CENTRAL public
authorities they are interested in exposing.

As I know that many of our members are otherwise quite lazy arm-chair
RTI warriors, I shall regularly be posting this appeal to stimulate
them into action.

Sarbajit


 

[HumJanenge] Former IB chief among 3 new Information Commissioners at CIC

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/former-ib-chief-among-3-new-information-commissioners-at-cic/articleshow/12034174.cms

NEW DELHI: The government has shortlisted a former chief of
Intelligence Bureau, a banker and a former bureaucrat as three new
Information Commissioners at the transparency panel CIC.

Former IB Chief Rajiv Mathur, former Environment Secretary Vijai
Sharma and Syndicate Bank Chairman and Managing Director Basant Seth
have been shortlisted as new faces at the Central Information
Commission which is overburdened with over 20,000 pending appeals
under the Right to Information Act, official sources said.

A panel headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh which included Law
Minister Salman Khurshid and Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj
shortlisted the names of these people recently, they said.

According to the RTI Act, the complete strength of the transparency
panel is a Chief Information Commissioner and 10 Central Information
Commissioners. As of now there are just five Information Commissioners
leaving a shortage of five.

A formal announcement on the appointment would be made shortly, they
said.

Mathur, a 1972 batch IPS officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre, has served IB
for nearly three decades including 15 years in Washington. He took
over the reigns of the agency in January 2009, before retiring on
December 31, 2010.

Sharma, a 1974 batch IAS officer, from Uttar Pradesh cadre, was
secretary in Union Environment Ministry before his superannuation in
December 2010.

He held number of positions in the state including State Housing
Secretary, State Environment Secretary and Chairman of State Pollution
Control Board among others.

Seth who is the CMD of Syndicate Bank, Bangalore has held senior
positions in Small Industries Development Bank and Bank of India.

Re: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN

Come on Mam, please be compassionate for the have nots INDIANS not for the System Generated Generals. The false status, the false pride etc we had enough of these of these carrier bureaucrats, they only count present and post service benefits. We are yet to reach to the level of AME/ISRA standard of Military Leaders and it is a reality. Yeas it is, believe it
AK Mazumder
Ex-Sergeant
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

From: sujata singh <singhsujata2001@yahoo.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:04:35 +0800 (SGT)
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN

It  is a sad reflection on the present government that an outstanding Chief like Gen. V.K. Singh has been treated so shabbily.Very sad indeed.
Sujata Singh
......

From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN

The article is indeed a very moving  expression of anguish and sense of injustice with  the treatment meted out to a very courageous, competent and above all an upright  and honest officer . the article reaffirms the    manoeuvrings and  behind the curtain ,schemings that go on to  ensure that a particular person makes it to the COAS  .Once the persons make it to the rank of Major General ,the ones who have a clear  edge and are aspiring  for the top rank  set into motion their long term strategy for attaining their objective. they not only rely heavily on their  god father in the army but also cultivate chosen bureaucrats and politicians  to  facilitate their upward mobility. In fact considerable time , energy and resources are directed towards this end at the cost of neglect to their primary responsibilities.All possible permutations and combinations  are taken into account and strategies worked like in the war game to score over the rivals and competitors.

In the case of General VK Singh ,as mentioned in the article and well known otherwise, the shoddy controversy was rigged up as per the plan to ensure that the matter comes up only towards the end of his tenure .in  accordance with the current policy of abiding by the seniority principle for the post of the COAS, the promotion to the appointment of army commanders plays a pivotal role in achieving the objective.It is virtually also decided as to who will be the chief unless the two army commanders have the same birthday which would be rare.  It can be safely assumed  that virtual nomination of LT General Bikram Singh for the top post was contrived at that moment.  So this chanakyesque  politics and strategems come into force and this facade of the Govt's policy of adhering to the established chain of succession is all humbug.

The fact that General VK SIngh cotinued to represent even after having been appointed as army commander makes it obvious that he had not reconciled to the change in DOB. In fact he was tricked by false assurances about setting right   the anomaly and virtually coerced to keep mum on the issue for his own good. while Gen JJ Singh rigged up the issue to facilitate the elevationof Bikram singh, it was the dishonourable  duo ,Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh prasad  whose misdeeds is well known, who put into effect the devious plan. there surely must be some ulterior motive and something to be gained by these illustrious personalities in indulging in such murky deals.

This should be an eye opener for  the Nation as to what shenanigans and devious games are being indulged into at the highest rung of army leadership and its consequences on the army's efficiency and morale.As for the political leadership this is a game they enjoy playing and practising to perfection. the fact that so called Honest and 'Mr clean PM and 'Mr honest'  Defence Minister were unable to settle the matter speaks highly of the state of affairs.


It is no doubt the most shameful episode in the history of Indian Army. 



 Col JP Sharma
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
Dear All,
 
As promised herewith is the lead Article in today's THE STATESMAN that bares the deep rooted conspiracy that led to the sordid episode of the Army Chief's age row. It is for sure that the 'motivated media' would try and suppress it, but Truth always has an uncanny way of surfacing and then prevailing
 
M.G.Devasahayam
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
 

http://thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=400557&catid=38

THE STATESMAN

Special Article

19 February 2012

VK Singh's age-battle
Ball Back In Centre's Court

By Sam Rajappa

An honest man's the noblest work of God.
~ Alexander Pope

HONESTY is a vanishing commodity, according to a recent research study by Essex University. Paul Whiteley, author of the report, says low-level dishonesty has increased across the social classes, although the younger generation is, on the whole, even less scrupulous than the older one. In 1712, Jonathan Swift wrote a treatise on "The Art of Political Lying." If defence minister AK Antony read either of the reports, this raging controversy about the date of birth of the Chief of the Army Staff, General VK Singh, could have been avoided. There is an age-old dispute between moderates and rigorists.


Antony is a moderate who believes a few lies are acceptable if they serve the larger interest of statecraft, like Oskar Schindler, who did not hesitate to lie to Hitler's storm troopers to save the lives of more than 1,000 of his Jewish employees. General Singh belongs to the school of thought of Immanuel Kant, one of the renowned exponents of the rigorist position, and landed himself in this unseemly controversy.


The media, for whatever interest they were serving, saw in the 10 February order of the Supreme Court, the army chief losing his age war. Nowhere in the brief 12-paragraph judgment can one find the Supreme Court telling General Singh to change his date of birth to suit the interests of the government.


The operative part of the judgment reads: "As a matter of fact, the question before us in the writ petition is not about the determination of actual date of birth of the petitioner, but it concerns the recognition of a particular date of birth of the petitioner by the respondent (Union of India) in the official service record. In view of the statement made by Goolam Vahanvati, Attorney-General, and the limited controversy in the writ petition, counsel for the petitioner does not wish to press the matter further and he seeks withdrawal of the writ petition. Writ petition is disposed of as withdrawn." Where is the question of who won and who lost?

Earlier in the day, Vahanavati handed over to the Bench a short affidavit by KL Nandwani, deputy secretary in the Defence ministry, seeking to treat the second part of his 30 December 2011, order to the Adjutant General's branch to change VK Singh's date of birth from 10 May 1951 to 10 May 1950, and send a "strict compliance report at the earliest without further loss of time," as withdrawn and confine it to the first part only which holds the statutory complaint by the petitioner as not maintainable.


The Bench granted permission and observed: "In view thereof, the petitioner's grievance with regard to the part of the order dated 30 December 2011, which deals with the merits of the controversy, does not survive." The judgment took care to record Vahanavati's statement that the government had not questioned the integrity or bona fide of the petitioner. "The writ petition was on a matter of principle and it did not reflect any lack of faith or confidence in the petitioner's ability to lead the army." The judges took particular care to avoid any obiter dicta in their order. What is, however, regrettable in this sordid saga of age controversy is the government ignoring primary and legally accepted documents like birth certificate and school leaving certificate and giving credence to non-legal documents like an application form which can be easily manipulated. Birth is a natural occurrence ordained by Providence and its date and time cannot be altered by any government order.


The ball is now in the court of defence minister Antony who had ordered a junior-level officer in his ministry to write to the Adjutant General to change the date of birth of General Singh to 10 May 1950, when the matter was sub judice. The letter had to be withdrawn on order of the Supreme Court. The Military Secretary, Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, in his letter A/4501/01(GEN/MS(1) dated 01 July 2011, to the defence minister, marked 'confidential,' wrote: On scrutiny of past records pertaining to Selection Boards, it has been observed that the MDSs pertaining to Gen. VK Singh which were drawn up at the time of his consideration for promotion to select ranks reflect the date of birth of the General Officer as 10 May 1951." The letter goes on to give his promotion as Major-General on 25 October 2001, Lieutenant-General on 18/19 September 2003, and as Army Commander on 30 September 2005, all based on his actual date of birth. The letter said that copies of the relevant MDS sheets are available with the ministry of defence for verification, and added for good measure that "this has been brought to the notice of the defence minister." This document, a photocopy of which is available with The Statesman, makes it clear that till Manmohan Singh became Prime Minister, there was no dichotomy between the records maintained by the Military Secretary branch and the Adjutant General branch pertaining to the date of birth of VK Singh.


The plot began to thicken when Gen. Joginder Jaswant Singh of Maratha Light Infantry took over as Chief of the Army Staff on 1 February 2005. He was the first-ever Sikh to rise to the top in the Indian Army. In the preceding months, as Gen. NC Vij's tenure was coming to an end, there was speculation that JJ Singh would be superseded by Lt.-Gen. Shammi Mehta, an Armoured Corps officer. The Shiromani Gurdwara Prabanthak Committee issued a strongly worded statement favouring JJ Singh which was prominently featured in The Tribune and a few other newspapers. The Tribune was used again, this time to pillory Gen. VK Singh.

For the first time in the history of the Indian Army, the communal card came into play, though the SGPC statement might not have had any bearing on the Appointments Committee headed by Manmohan Singh clearing JJ Singh's elevation to the top slot. Within months of taking over, he plotted a succession plan. That Deepak Kapoor would take over from JJ Singh was well known by then. After Kapoor who would depend on the Selection Board which was to meet towards the end of 2005 to decide on which officers were to be promoted to the Lieutenant-General's rank.

After working out various permutations and combinations, JJ Singh discovered that VK Singh, who was a Corps Commander by then, would be the obvious choice to succeed Kapoor, but if his tenure could be curtailed to two years, the way could be cleared for Bikram Singh, the present chief of the Eastern Command, to take over in May 2012. At that time, Bikram Singh was not a front- runner as there were other officers with better credentials ahead of him in the succession pyramid. But they could be sidelined with a bit of deft tweaking.

 

Those to be neutralised included Brigadiers Padam Budhwar and MM Chaudhary, and Majors-General Shujan Chatterjee, AK Singh and Ravi Arora, a gold medalist from the same batch as Bikram Singh. Raising VK Singh's age issue before his Lieutenant-General Board would have eliminated him from the race and in the process, Bikram Singh too would have been knocked out. For JJ Singh's succession plan to succeed, VK Singh had to remain in office till 31 May. On 3 May 2006, the Military Secretary branch was asked to rake up VK Singh's date of birth issue based on an error in his application form at the time of joining the NDA as a teenager, and asked to accept, in writing, that he was born in 1950, with the promise of an inquiry which was never held.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Prakash Katoch <prakashkatoch7@gmail.com> wrote:

This article by Mrinalini Singh needs to be read coupled with the fact how the government has used the media (The Fourth Estate) – in line with what MK Dhar, former Joint Director Intelligence Bureau wrote in his book 'Top Secret – India's Intelligence Unveiled' wherein he says, "The susceptibility of the fourth estate to the intelligence community had tied our hands down. They are one of the too many holy Indian cows. Some of them, as described by a senior member of the fourth estate, 'taxi on hire.' any paymaster can hire this particular brand."

Incredible India marches on !

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HOW CAN GREAT OAKS SWAY WITH THE WIND?

 

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279938#.Tz-yG2XuVCA.email

 

MRINALINI SINGH

 

When he was a lieutenant general, V.K. Singh gave it in writing that he had faith in his army chief. This cannot be construed as 'acceptance' of a wrong DoB.

 

MRINALINI SINGH

 

 

An error had been made regarding the date of birth of my father at the time of filling up the UPSC form when he had applied for admission to the National Defence Academy (NDA). This was detected instantly and certain steps were taken to correct the year of birth even before he joined the academy. In fact, he reported 13 days late to the NDA as the date was being sor­ted out. This was obviously taken due note of, for all NDA records then showed his year of birth as 1951. Three years later, when he moved from the NDA to the Indian Military Academy (IMA), he was told to write the date of birth as in the UPSC form. He pointed out that this had been corrected and was told that this would be verified by a board of officers. The pre-commission advisory board checked and verified his particulars; his IMA ident­ity card and his record of service duly sta­ted that he was born in 1951. For the next few decades, ever since his commissioning into the army, his year of birth in all records, whether in the military secretariat or the adjutant general's branch, was 1951. The only exception was the Army List, which is published keeping the original UPSC form as reference point. Even in this case, as the date of birth had to be verified against the school-leaving certificate, the entry was erroneous.

On May 3, 2006, 19 days after the results of the selection board for lieutenant generals had been declassified, the military secretary at the time, Lt Gen Richard Khare, first wrote to Gen V.K. Singh claiming there was a discrepancy in the records of the two branches. This set off a chain of events that eventually led to the army chief first filing a statutory complaint and then referring the matter to the Supreme Court.

On February 3, 2012, the SC, in its wisdom, castigated the government, stating that the due process of natural justice had not been followed and the process had been "vitiated" in addressing the army chief's statutory complaint. The attorney general at that time asked for an adjournment, which was granted. During the second hearing, a week later, the attorney general started proceedings by submitting an affidavit by way of which it withdrew its order dated December 30, 2011, that rejected the statutory complaint. In view of the government's move, and the praise about the general's professional and personal conduct, our lawyer felt there was no point in pressing the matter further, especia­lly since the court had made it clear that in light of the government's stance, there was nothing further to be discussed from a legal point of view. As a citizen of India, the army chief has already expressed his grateful thanks to the learned judges of the apex court for addressing the issue.

***

My Ambition


I don't want to be,
A wealthy man,
Nor I want to be,
A working man.


I want to be,
A great soldier,
Fighting on the front,
with a gun on my shoulder,


I want to die for,
My great, beloved nation,
And for my enemy,
I shall have no compassion,


I want to let the 
Chinese know
That Indians can die,
For their Motherland.


(A poem written by Gen V.K. Singh as a Std VIII student,

culled from his school magazine)

***

The order passed by the court is not ambiguous in its content. I am bitterly disappointed at the deliberate spin given in the media to the proceedings in the court, which in my view and understanding are quite contrary to what the honourable judges have said in their order. Firstly, the order does not uphold an error in the threshold document, nor does it say anything about the legality of either of the two dates of birth. There's also nothing to suggest that the so-called 'acceptance letters' exist. While it is true that these points came up during the hearing—as did many other statements, which include the much talked about "wise men move with the wind" remark of the judges—but these were arguments that in my understanding cannot be confused with the order passed by the learned judges.

If the government had not withdrawn its order of December 30 concerning my father's statutory appeal, the arguments in the court would have had a different flavour and intensity and all the facts given above would have come into play, requiring adjudication. But this did not happen, and my father's critics have gone to town, repeatedly harping that there are three occasions when he had "moved with the wind" and given acceptance letters to the year of birth being 1950. This is blatantly untrue, and I would like to set the record straight.

Contrary to what is being projected, there has never been any such 'acceptance letter'. In 2006, he was perhaps the only serving lieutenant general in the history of the nation to be asked to furnish a fresh date of birth prior to being cleared for appointment as a corps commander. This despite the fact that just a few weeks prior to that, the military secretariat branch records had cleared him for promotion based on a 1951 year of birth. The then army chief, Gen J.J. Singh, my father's chief at the time, had categorically told him that there was merely a clerical discrepancy in the records. This would be sorted out, and for that he needed to accept that he had faith in the army chief's decisions. This would be in the interest of the organisation, as it was otherwise holding up the appointments of all corps commanders. Once the army chief had this letter, it was projected to the defence ministry that there was an 'acceptance letter' procured from my father, acknowledging the year of birth as 1950. The fact that my father, then a lieutenant general, continued to ask the military secretariat branch even after that how and why the army chief had been advised to make him declare a new year of birth underlines the fact that in 2006 there was no such 'acceptance'.

The question that needs to be asked of the then army chief, the military secretary (Lt Gen Khare) and the judge advocate general (Maj Gen Nilender Kumar), who together initiated what was clearly not the standard operating procedure in 2006, is: Why did they make an exception in this case only? These gentlemen have found immunity in red tape, aided perhaps by some deft management of the media, which has sidestepped this question, while my father is accused of "bending with the wind". In my view, this is where the injustice lies.

As for the second and third 'acceptance' letters, it is loos­ely being said they had been written in 2008 and 2009. This immediately begs the question that if there was a 'first acceptance' letter, then, what was the need for a second and a third one to be asked for? The situation here is slightly more complex. The army chief at this point of time was Gen Deepak Kapoor and the military secretary Lt Gen Avdhesh Prakash. It is a well known fact that these two gentlemen, both professionally and otherwise, differed sharply from my father (then a lieutenant general) and if the former had his way, my father would not have headed the Eastern Command. Professionally, there was nothing that could be used by the army chief to damage my father, so the 'age issue' was once again raked up to provoke him into disobeying a direct order to accept an incorrect year of birth. The army chief is the most powerful man in the army and a series of letters were written which have to be seen in their entirety to get the complete picture. Opinions should not be based on an isolated sentence which cites "the larger organisational interest". Had this logic been true—that Lt Gen V.K. Singh 'accepted' the year of birth as 1950 so as to head the Eastern Command and later become army chief—he would have shut the cupola and not stirred the issue at all during his tenure as eastern army commander before taking over as the chief. However, he continued to write to the military secretary (Lt Gen Prakash), going systematically along accepted lines of redressing the clerical error within the army.

Honour and izzat are words that are emblazoned on a soldier's heart. Apart from being the daughter of Gen V.K. Singh, I too am an army wife and have seen from close quarters the man I call my father stand up for what he considers is the right thing to do.

In this rather one-sided slanging match, it is also being implied by his critics that the army chief would be better off fighting for one-rank-one-pay, war memorials, weapon systems and all the other problems that haunt the system. I am not going to get drawn into what all he has done as the army chief; that's best left to others and that is a part of his job anyway. For me, his worldview is best encapsulated in a quote from Ernest Hemingway that he uses often: "Few men for the right cause brave the disrespect of their fellow men, the censure of their colleagues and ignorance of society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality of those who seek to change a world which yields out painfully to change."


(Mrinalini Singh is the daughter of Gen V.K. Singh)

—as told to Chander Suta Dogra








Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI Act - Government Circular

Because, Chief Secretary has published thei suo-motu as per section
4(1)(b) of the RTI Act, 2005

On 2/22/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Anand
>
> Your post is very confusing.
> I fail to see the logic of how/why Chief Secretary is a public
> authority based on your facts.
> Please amplify.
>
> Sarbajit
> On 2/22/12, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Long before when KK Mishra earlier Chief Secretary of Karnataka and
>> Ex. Chief Information Commission of Karnataka was arguing with me that
>> CS is not a Public Authority.
>>
>> But My made an application under section 4(4) supply of the copy of
>> the su-motu published as per section 4(1)(b) of the Act.
>>
>> Then out going CS Vatsala Vatsa issued copy of the 4(1)(b) stating
>> that ACR of all IAS, IPS and IFS with them.
>>
>> Hence Public Authority.
>>
>> On 2/17/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Under 2(h) the Secretary of your CS is essentially saying that he is
>>> not covered under RTI, ie. your CS is not covered under definition of
>>> "public authority".
>>>
>>> You wanted to know if you can question "any" CS. The answer is you can
>>> question "some" CSes.
>>> ie. only those which ARE included within 2(h)'s 4 cases. (usually
>>> 2(h)(d)).
>>> There are conflicting High Court decisions on this.
>>>
>>> The Secretary of a CS has the right power to issue circulars TO ITS
>>> MEMBERS. These are usually issued under the Societies Act / Rues and
>>> can always be overturned by the General Body at a GBM if you have the
>>> numbers..
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> On 2/17/12, shailmala kumari <shailmala1@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>> Dear Members,
>>>>
>>>> I have one question from the members regarding the Government Circular.
>>>>
>>>> What is a Government Circular? Who has the authority to issue Circulars
>>>> OR
>>>> what is the position (designation) of the particular official issuing
>>>> the
>>>> Circular?
>>>>
>>>> If I ask question through RTI Act to any Cooperative Society, does the
>>>> Secretary of the Cooperative Society has right to issue a circular and
>>>> deny
>>>> any
>>>> information under Section 2H of the RTI Act?
>>>>
>>>> Any information regarding this would be highly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shailmala
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anand S.
>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> Bangalore 560 085.
>> Cell No. +91-87928-91066
>>
>


--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066

RE: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN


Gen. V. K. Singh's abilities have not been questioned and are not related to the incident. Changing date of birth near retirement against the set rules
and then going to the Supreme Court on this minor issue has brought disgrace to the position he is holding now.

Is it not similar to the utterances of Central Government Ministers taking Central Election Commission as non-entity? People want to know more from
Sonia and Sheila Dixit than from Mayawati or Jayalalitha. On the basis of one's position, one should not think one is above law.

rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in
25.02.2012

Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:04:35 +0800
From: singhsujata2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

It  is a sad reflection on the present government that an outstanding Chief like Gen. V.K. Singh has been treated so shabbily.Very sad indeed.
Sujata Singh
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From: Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Conspiracy behind Army Chief's Age Row - THE STATESMAN

The article is indeed a very moving  expression of anguish and sense of injustice with  the treatment meted out to a very courageous, competent and above all an upright  and honest officer . the article reaffirms the    manoeuvrings and  behind the curtain ,schemings that go on to  ensure that a particular person makes it to the COAS  .Once the persons make it to the rank of Major General ,the ones who have a clear  edge and are aspiring  for the top rank  set into motion their long term strategy for attaining their objective. they not only rely heavily on their  god father in the army but also cultivate chosen bureaucrats and politicians  to  facilitate their upward mobility. In fact considerable time , energy and resources are directed towards this end at the cost of neglect to their primary responsibilities.All possible permutations and combinations  are taken into account and strategies worked like in the war game to score over the rivals and competitors.

In the case of General VK Singh ,as mentioned in the article and well known otherwise, the shoddy controversy was rigged up as per the plan to ensure that the matter comes up only towards the end of his tenure .in  accordance with the current policy of abiding by the seniority principle for the post of the COAS, the promotion to the appointment of army commanders plays a pivotal role in achieving the objective.It is virtually also decided as to who will be the chief unless the two army commanders have the same birthday which would be rare.  It can be safely assumed  that virtual nomination of LT General Bikram Singh for the top post was contrived at that moment.  So this chanakyesque  politics and strategems come into force and this facade of the Govt's policy of adhering to the established chain of succession is all humbug.

The fact that General VK SIngh cotinued to represent even after having been appointed as army commander makes it obvious that he had not reconciled to the change in DOB. In fact he was tricked by false assurances about setting right   the anomaly and virtually coerced to keep mum on the issue for his own good. while Gen JJ Singh rigged up the issue to facilitate the elevationof Bikram singh, it was the dishonourable  duo ,Deepak Kapoor and Avadesh prasad  whose misdeeds is well known, who put into effect the devious plan. there surely must be some ulterior motive and something to be gained by these illustrious personalities in indulging in such murky deals.

This should be an eye opener for  the Nation as to what shenanigans and devious games are being indulged into at the highest rung of army leadership and its consequences on the army's efficiency and morale.As for the political leadership this is a game they enjoy playing and practising to perfection. the fact that so called Honest and 'Mr clean PM and 'Mr honest'  Defence Minister were unable to settle the matter speaks highly of the state of affairs.


It is no doubt the most shameful episode in the history of Indian Army. 



 Col JP Sharma
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:
Dear All,
 
As promised herewith is the lead Article in today's THE STATESMAN that bares the deep rooted conspiracy that led to the sordid episode of the Army Chief's age row. It is for sure that the 'motivated media' would try and suppress it, but Truth always has an uncanny way of surfacing and then prevailing
 
M.G.Devasahayam
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http://thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=400557&catid=38

THE STATESMAN

Special Article

19 February 2012

VK Singh's age-battle
Ball Back In Centre's Court

By Sam Rajappa

An honest man's the noblest work of God.
~ Alexander Pope

HONESTY is a vanishing commodity, according to a recent research study by Essex University. Paul Whiteley, author of the report, says low-level dishonesty has increased across the social classes, although the younger generation is, on the whole, even less scrupulous than the older one. In 1712, Jonathan Swift wrote a treatise on "The Art of Political Lying." If defence minister AK Antony read either of the reports, this raging controversy about the date of birth of the Chief of the Army Staff, General VK Singh, could have been avoided. There is an age-old dispute between moderates and rigorists.


Antony is a moderate who believes a few lies are acceptable if they serve the larger interest of statecraft, like Oskar Schindler, who did not hesitate to lie to Hitler's storm troopers to save the lives of more than 1,000 of his Jewish employees. General Singh belongs to the school of thought of Immanuel Kant, one of the renowned exponents of the rigorist position, and landed himself in this unseemly controversy.


The media, for whatever interest they were serving, saw in the 10 February order of the Supreme Court, the army chief losing his age war. Nowhere in the brief 12-paragraph judgment can one find the Supreme Court telling General Singh to change his date of birth to suit the interests of the government.


The operative part of the judgment reads: "As a matter of fact, the question before us in the writ petition is not about the determination of actual date of birth of the petitioner, but it concerns the recognition of a particular date of birth of the petitioner by the respondent (Union of India) in the official service record. In view of the statement made by Goolam Vahanvati, Attorney-General, and the limited controversy in the writ petition, counsel for the petitioner does not wish to press the matter further and he seeks withdrawal of the writ petition. Writ petition is disposed of as withdrawn." Where is the question of who won and who lost?

Earlier in the day, Vahanavati handed over to the Bench a short affidavit by KL Nandwani, deputy secretary in the Defence ministry, seeking to treat the second part of his 30 December 2011, order to the Adjutant General's branch to change VK Singh's date of birth from 10 May 1951 to 10 May 1950, and send a "strict compliance report at the earliest without further loss of time," as withdrawn and confine it to the first part only which holds the statutory complaint by the petitioner as not maintainable.


The Bench granted permission and observed: "In view thereof, the petitioner's grievance with regard to the part of the order dated 30 December 2011, which deals with the merits of the controversy, does not survive." The judgment took care to record Vahanavati's statement that the government had not questioned the integrity or bona fide of the petitioner. "The writ petition was on a matter of principle and it did not reflect any lack of faith or confidence in the petitioner's ability to lead the army." The judges took particular care to avoid any obiter dicta in their order. What is, however, regrettable in this sordid saga of age controversy is the government ignoring primary and legally accepted documents like birth certificate and school leaving certificate and giving credence to non-legal documents like an application form which can be easily manipulated. Birth is a natural occurrence ordained by Providence and its date and time cannot be altered by any government order.


The ball is now in the court of defence minister Antony who had ordered a junior-level officer in his ministry to write to the Adjutant General to change the date of birth of General Singh to 10 May 1950, when the matter was sub judice. The letter had to be withdrawn on order of the Supreme Court. The Military Secretary, Lt.-Gen. GM Nair, in his letter A/4501/01(GEN/MS(1) dated 01 July 2011, to the defence minister, marked 'confidential,' wrote: On scrutiny of past records pertaining to Selection Boards, it has been observed that the MDSs pertaining to Gen. VK Singh which were drawn up at the time of his consideration for promotion to select ranks reflect the date of birth of the General Officer as 10 May 1951." The letter goes on to give his promotion as Major-General on 25 October 2001, Lieutenant-General on 18/19 September 2003, and as Army Commander on 30 September 2005, all based on his actual date of birth. The letter said that copies of the relevant MDS sheets are available with the ministry of defence for verification, and added for good measure that "this has been brought to the notice of the defence minister." This document, a photocopy of which is available with The Statesman, makes it clear that till Manmohan Singh became Prime Minister, there was no dichotomy between the records maintained by the Military Secretary branch and the Adjutant General branch pertaining to the date of birth of VK Singh.


The plot began to thicken when Gen. Joginder Jaswant Singh of Maratha Light Infantry took over as Chief of the Army Staff on 1 February 2005. He was the first-ever Sikh to rise to the top in the Indian Army. In the preceding months, as Gen. NC Vij's tenure was coming to an end, there was speculation that JJ Singh would be superseded by Lt.-Gen. Shammi Mehta, an Armoured Corps officer. The Shiromani Gurdwara Prabanthak Committee issued a strongly worded statement favouring JJ Singh which was prominently featured in The Tribune and a few other newspapers. The Tribune was used again, this time to pillory Gen. VK Singh.

For the first time in the history of the Indian Army, the communal card came into play, though the SGPC statement might not have had any bearing on the Appointments Committee headed by Manmohan Singh clearing JJ Singh's elevation to the top slot. Within months of taking over, he plotted a succession plan. That Deepak Kapoor would take over from JJ Singh was well known by then. After Kapoor who would depend on the Selection Board which was to meet towards the end of 2005 to decide on which officers were to be promoted to the Lieutenant-General's rank.

After working out various permutations and combinations, JJ Singh discovered that VK Singh, who was a Corps Commander by then, would be the obvious choice to succeed Kapoor, but if his tenure could be curtailed to two years, the way could be cleared for Bikram Singh, the present chief of the Eastern Command, to take over in May 2012. At that time, Bikram Singh was not a front- runner as there were other officers with better credentials ahead of him in the succession pyramid. But they could be sidelined with a bit of deft tweaking.

 

Those to be neutralised included Brigadiers Padam Budhwar and MM Chaudhary, and Majors-General Shujan Chatterjee, AK Singh and Ravi Arora, a gold medalist from the same batch as Bikram Singh. Raising VK Singh's age issue before his Lieutenant-General Board would have eliminated him from the race and in the process, Bikram Singh too would have been knocked out. For JJ Singh's succession plan to succeed, VK Singh had to remain in office till 31 May. On 3 May 2006, the Military Secretary branch was asked to rake up VK Singh's date of birth issue based on an error in his application form at the time of joining the NDA as a teenager, and asked to accept, in writing, that he was born in 1950, with the promise of an inquiry which was never held.

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Prakash Katoch <prakashkatoch7@gmail.com> wrote:

This article by Mrinalini Singh needs to be read coupled with the fact how the government has used the media (The Fourth Estate) – in line with what MK Dhar, former Joint Director Intelligence Bureau wrote in his book 'Top Secret – India's Intelligence Unveiled' wherein he says, "The susceptibility of the fourth estate to the intelligence community had tied our hands down. They are one of the too many holy Indian cows. Some of them, as described by a senior member of the fourth estate, 'taxi on hire.' any paymaster can hire this particular brand."

Incredible India marches on !

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MRINALINI SINGH

 

When he was a lieutenant general, V.K. Singh gave it in writing that he had faith in his army chief. This cannot be construed as 'acceptance' of a wrong DoB.

 

MRINALINI SINGH

 

 

An error had been made regarding the date of birth of my father at the time of filling up the UPSC form when he had applied for admission to the National Defence Academy (NDA). This was detected instantly and certain steps were taken to correct the year of birth even before he joined the academy. In fact, he reported 13 days late to the NDA as the date was being sor­ted out. This was obviously taken due note of, for all NDA records then showed his year of birth as 1951. Three years later, when he moved from the NDA to the Indian Military Academy (IMA), he was told to write the date of birth as in the UPSC form. He pointed out that this had been corrected and was told that this would be verified by a board of officers. The pre-commission advisory board checked and verified his particulars; his IMA ident­ity card and his record of service duly sta­ted that he was born in 1951. For the next few decades, ever since his commissioning into the army, his year of birth in all records, whether in the military secretariat or the adjutant general's branch, was 1951. The only exception was the Army List, which is published keeping the original UPSC form as reference point. Even in this case, as the date of birth had to be verified against the school-leaving certificate, the entry was erroneous.

On May 3, 2006, 19 days after the results of the selection board for lieutenant generals had been declassified, the military secretary at the time, Lt Gen Richard Khare, first wrote to Gen V.K. Singh claiming there was a discrepancy in the records of the two branches. This set off a chain of events that eventually led to the army chief first filing a statutory complaint and then referring the matter to the Supreme Court.

On February 3, 2012, the SC, in its wisdom, castigated the government, stating that the due process of natural justice had not been followed and the process had been "vitiated" in addressing the army chief's statutory complaint. The attorney general at that time asked for an adjournment, which was granted. During the second hearing, a week later, the attorney general started proceedings by submitting an affidavit by way of which it withdrew its order dated December 30, 2011, that rejected the statutory complaint. In view of the government's move, and the praise about the general's professional and personal conduct, our lawyer felt there was no point in pressing the matter further, especia­lly since the court had made it clear that in light of the government's stance, there was nothing further to be discussed from a legal point of view. As a citizen of India, the army chief has already expressed his grateful thanks to the learned judges of the apex court for addressing the issue.

***

My Ambition


I don't want to be,
A wealthy man,
Nor I want to be,
A working man.


I want to be,
A great soldier,
Fighting on the front,
with a gun on my shoulder,


I want to die for,
My great, beloved nation,
And for my enemy,
I shall have no compassion,


I want to let the 
Chinese know
That Indians can die,
For their Motherland.


(A poem written by Gen V.K. Singh as a Std VIII student,

culled from his school magazine)

***

The order passed by the court is not ambiguous in its content. I am bitterly disappointed at the deliberate spin given in the media to the proceedings in the court, which in my view and understanding are quite contrary to what the honourable judges have said in their order. Firstly, the order does not uphold an error in the threshold document, nor does it say anything about the legality of either of the two dates of birth. There's also nothing to suggest that the so-called 'acceptance letters' exist. While it is true that these points came up during the hearing—as did many other statements, which include the much talked about "wise men move with the wind" remark of the judges—but these were arguments that in my understanding cannot be confused with the order passed by the learned judges.

If the government had not withdrawn its order of December 30 concerning my father's statutory appeal, the arguments in the court would have had a different flavour and intensity and all the facts given above would have come into play, requiring adjudication. But this did not happen, and my father's critics have gone to town, repeatedly harping that there are three occasions when he had "moved with the wind" and given acceptance letters to the year of birth being 1950. This is blatantly untrue, and I would like to set the record straight.

Contrary to what is being projected, there has never been any such 'acceptance letter'. In 2006, he was perhaps the only serving lieutenant general in the history of the nation to be asked to furnish a fresh date of birth prior to being cleared for appointment as a corps commander. This despite the fact that just a few weeks prior to that, the military secretariat branch records had cleared him for promotion based on a 1951 year of birth. The then army chief, Gen J.J. Singh, my father's chief at the time, had categorically told him that there was merely a clerical discrepancy in the records. This would be sorted out, and for that he needed to accept that he had faith in the army chief's decisions. This would be in the interest of the organisation, as it was otherwise holding up the appointments of all corps commanders. Once the army chief had this letter, it was projected to the defence ministry that there was an 'acceptance letter' procured from my father, acknowledging the year of birth as 1950. The fact that my father, then a lieutenant general, continued to ask the military secretariat branch even after that how and why the army chief had been advised to make him declare a new year of birth underlines the fact that in 2006 there was no such 'acceptance'.

The question that needs to be asked of the then army chief, the military secretary (Lt Gen Khare) and the judge advocate general (Maj Gen Nilender Kumar), who together initiated what was clearly not the standard operating procedure in 2006, is: Why did they make an exception in this case only? These gentlemen have found immunity in red tape, aided perhaps by some deft management of the media, which has sidestepped this question, while my father is accused of "bending with the wind". In my view, this is where the injustice lies.

As for the second and third 'acceptance' letters, it is loos­ely being said they had been written in 2008 and 2009. This immediately begs the question that if there was a 'first acceptance' letter, then, what was the need for a second and a third one to be asked for? The situation here is slightly more complex. The army chief at this point of time was Gen Deepak Kapoor and the military secretary Lt Gen Avdhesh Prakash. It is a well known fact that these two gentlemen, both professionally and otherwise, differed sharply from my father (then a lieutenant general) and if the former had his way, my father would not have headed the Eastern Command. Professionally, there was nothing that could be used by the army chief to damage my father, so the 'age issue' was once again raked up to provoke him into disobeying a direct order to accept an incorrect year of birth. The army chief is the most powerful man in the army and a series of letters were written which have to be seen in their entirety to get the complete picture. Opinions should not be based on an isolated sentence which cites "the larger organisational interest". Had this logic been true—that Lt Gen V.K. Singh 'accepted' the year of birth as 1950 so as to head the Eastern Command and later become army chief—he would have shut the cupola and not stirred the issue at all during his tenure as eastern army commander before taking over as the chief. However, he continued to write to the military secretary (Lt Gen Prakash), going systematically along accepted lines of redressing the clerical error within the army.

Honour and izzat are words that are emblazoned on a soldier's heart. Apart from being the daughter of Gen V.K. Singh, I too am an army wife and have seen from close quarters the man I call my father stand up for what he considers is the right thing to do.

In this rather one-sided slanging match, it is also being implied by his critics that the army chief would be better off fighting for one-rank-one-pay, war memorials, weapon systems and all the other problems that haunt the system. I am not going to get drawn into what all he has done as the army chief; that's best left to others and that is a part of his job anyway. For me, his worldview is best encapsulated in a quote from Ernest Hemingway that he uses often: "Few men for the right cause brave the disrespect of their fellow men, the censure of their colleagues and ignorance of society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality of those who seek to change a world which yields out painfully to change."


(Mrinalini Singh is the daughter of Gen V.K. Singh)

—as told to Chander Suta Dogra