Re: [HumJanenge] Protest against killing of RTI Activists.

Dear Shashikumar,

The Whistle Blower Act is for the Govt Officials who expose corruption
in their Department. Where as the RTI Activists are the outside
persons like journalists who expose the corruption. Hence they have
protect themselves just how the Media protects them self from Demation
and Contempt Proceedings.

You realy feel that RTI Activists need protection, then all the RTI
Activists of the Bangalore (atleast) should uninit together.

But it has failed so many times in Bangalore, because of their Egostic
Approach, Not Maintaining Transperency among them selves and Not
sharing the Information what they have obtained under RTI.

Instead they pay bribe to the PIO's of Rs. 500 per month get the RTI
application copies, duplicate them by sending the same application
intheir own name.

So RTI Activists are back stabing the genuine RTI Activists in Bangalore.

On 9/18/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
> THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BRING IMMIDIATELY WHISTLE BLOWERS ACT TO PROTECT THE
> LIFE OF RTI ACTIVISTS & THEIR FAMILIES , ALREADY SEVERAL PEOPLES KILLED BUT
> GOVERNMENT IS SILENT DUE TO RAMPAT CORRUPTION
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:08 AM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>> Some protest must be undertaken in Bhopal and Madhya Pradesh too.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 17/9/11, rajeev kumar <yadavrajeev_2005@yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: rajeev kumar <yadavrajeev_2005@yahoo.co.in>
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Protest against killing of RTI Activists.
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 4:05 PM
>>
>>
>> Go ahead!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rajeev Yadav,
>> National President,
>> (B.Sc., M.B.A., L.L.B., P.G.D. Human Rights),
>> Adhikaar the rights path,
>> +919811242471.
>> www.adhikaar.in
>> .
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 7/9/11, Anand acf <acfanand@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Anand acf <acfanand@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Protest against killing of RTI Activists.
>> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>, "hrm"
>> <hrm@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "rti4emp yahoo" <rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com>, "rti4empowerment" <
>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, "rti_india@yahoogroups.com" <
>> rti_india@yahoogroups.com>, "rti4ngo" <rti4ngo@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "rti_india-normal" <rti_india-normal@yahoogroups.com>, "rtigroupaligarh" <
>> rtigroupaligarh@googlegroups.com>, "rtimahilamanchup" <
>> rtimahilamanchup@yahoo.co>, "citizens-action-forum" <
>> citizens-action-forum@googlegroups.com>, "vishva-kannada-samaja" <
>> vishva-kannada-samaja@googlegroups.com>, "antibriberycampaign" <
>> antibriberycampaign@yahoogroups.com>, "basavaraj itnal" <
>> basavarajitnal@gmail.com>, "dalitfoundation@vsnl.net" <
>> dalitfoundation@vsnl.net>, "INDIARTI" <INDIARTI@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Invites" <invites@yahoogroups.com>, "JN jayashree" <
>> jnjayashree62@yahoo.com>, "Jagrut Nagrik Manch" <
>> jagrutnagrik@yahoogroups.com>, "Karamyog" <karmayog@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "kannada2" <kannada2@yahoogroups.com>, "kria" <kria@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Kathyayini Chamaraj" <kchamaraj@gmail.com>, "SHASHI KUMAR.A.R." <
>> rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>, "kria" <kria@yahoo.com>, "mallikarjun ls" <
>> mallik.ls@gmail.com>, "manorights" <manorights@gmail.com>, "Manish
>> Sisodia" <msisodia@gmail.com>, "Geeta Menon" <mahila_21@yahoo.co.in>,
>> "Mathews Philip" <mathews.ashok@gmail.com>, "mahadhikar" <
>> mahadhikar@fastmail.fm>, "niranjan.initator"
>> <niranjan.initiator@gmail.com>,
>> "Edwin, OpenSpace" <edwin@openspace.org.in>, "payaganeshpatrike" <
>> payaganeshpatrike@gmail.com>, "right2food" <right2food@googlegroups.com>,
>> "Child Rights Trust" <crtindia@yahoo.co.in>, "Ram S Pejawar" <
>> pejawar.ram@gmail.com>, "umapathy subramanyam" <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com>,
>> "K T Satheesh Gowda" <kts_gowda@yahoo.com>, "viji thilak" <
>> vijayathilagam@gmail.com>, "Urban Research Centre" <urcblr@gmail.com>,
>> "umashankarc" <umashankarc@yahoo.com>, "Urvashiriti" <
>> urvashirti@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Vidya Dinker" <vidyadinker@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 8:30 PM
>>
>> Dear friends RTI Activists of Bangalore are protesting aginst killing
>> of RTI Activist Shiela Masood, Bhopa, Madhya Pradesh tomorrow.
>>
>> Date: 08-09-2011
>> Time: 10:00 AM
>> Venue: Mahatma Gandhi Stature, M.G, Road, Bangalore
>>
>> Pleae Joint and also bring other Activsts.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>> Anand S.
>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> Bangalore 560 085.
>> Cell No. +91-98450-39699
>>
>>
>

--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-98450-39699

[HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] PTI/HT : Don't bring changes to RTI: Advani

 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Thiruvananthapuram/Don-t-bring-changes-to-RTI-Advani/Article1-762434.aspx

Don't bring changes to RTI: Advani

Press Trust Of India
Thiruvananthapuram, October 29, 2011
 
First Published: 14:16 IST(29/10/2011)
Last Updated: 14:18 IST(29/10/2011)
 
 
Opposing the move to dilute the RTI Act, BJP leader LK Advani on Saturday said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's talk of a relook at the Act could be due to "sharp" differences between some of his ministers giving the impression of a "civil war" within the government.
 
"I see no reason for the talk of a critical relook at the RTI except for the fact that differences between (Union ministers) Pranab Mukherjee and Chidambaram came to fore very sharply and gave the impression of a civil war going on within the government. That is the only reason for the anger of Prime Minister against RTI," he told reporters here.
 
BJP was totally opposed to any move to dilute the Act, through which some of the major corruption cases had come to light, he said.
 
UPA government, which claimed RTI as one of its major achievements, was now trying to have a relook at it as certain corruption exposes had materialised through the RTI itself, Advani said. "We are opposed to any change of any kind in the RTI law," he said.
 
Asked if the BJP had the moral standing to take on the Congress on corruption when former Karnataka chief minister BS Yeddyurappa .................... 

To Read full story : Click on Link above 

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Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !!

Who is successful in this debate of blame game? Definitely those who are involved in corruption and does 

not want to eradicate. 

 

HDG 

From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !!

Dear Friend, The people who are alleged to have been wronged are not complaining; it implies that Ms. Bedi's contention is right.  However if you feel that she is a cheat, please file an FIR against her.  Let us not waste our time reading junk mail whose purpose is just to denigrate well meaning people. Col MMP Kala --- On Fri, 21/10/11, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote: From: Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 21 October, 2011, 10:19 AM This is a funny and unconvincing explanation. If her intentions were genuine, what prevented her from telling the sponsors to book her on economy class and deposit the balance amount (difference between business and economy class) in the NGO account by cheque. This is the elementary ethics of running an NGO.   MG Devasahayam _____________________________________________________________________________________ On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:20 AM, mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com> wrote: You must also mention what Ms Bedi had to say about it.  She says that the host organizes were told that they will have to pay full air fare and the difference between the actual and concessional fare has been deposited by her with the NGOs and that the host organizes knew about the diversion of excess fare to the NGOs. Col MMP Kala --- On Fri, 21/10/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: [HumJanenge] IAC leaders own corruption exposed !! To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 21 October, 2011, 7:28 AM http://www.indianexpress.com/news/raipur-hosts-put-foot-down-told-bedi-cant-pay-you-twice-for-same-flight/863124/The cheek of this woman (Kiran Bedi) and her "double" standards. Who are these people to lecture us on corruption ? Who are all these Magsaysay awardees (bloody CIA spies) who presume to lecture us on RTI and aspire to become Chief Information Commissioners ?.

[HumJanenge] REMINDING BACK THE COMPLAINT TO PUBLIC AUTHORITY

REMINDING BACK THE COMPLAINT TO PUBLIC AUTHORITY

          I sent a complaint to CIC dated 17.7.2010 against the Delhi Development Authority for giving incorrect, incomplete and misleading information.  The FAA has not replied to the First Appeal.

          I have received a letter from Mrs. Deepak Sandhu, Hon'ble Central Information Commissioner dated 29^th Sept. 2011 which was booked by speed post on 25.10.11 i.e. after 28 days.  However, in a good move, copies of that letter have also been sent to FAA, CPIO and Sr. Research Officer, DDA too remanding back the appeal stating that this is to avoid multiple proceedings u.s. 19 and 18 of the RTI Act.   Though, IC has given a time of two- week to dispose of the First Appeal or if the First appeal has already been disposed of, to furnish a copy of the order within one week of the receipt of the her order.  It is learnt that this practice has been adopted due to high pendency which is reportedly now 20,000 and will increase further the real solution lies in the filling up of vacant posts of ICs.  Such temporary measures are an impediment in getting the Information as per RTI Act though getting the information is Fundamental Right.

Though I made a complaint u.s. 18 of RTI Act as it was clearly a complaint case, the CIC has converted the same into an appeal No. CIC/DS/A/2011/000555.  I am not contesting the power of CIC to do this but my case petition deserved to be treated as complaint.  IC has asked me to approach the Commission again in second appeal or complaint if I will still feel aggrieved by the decision of the FAA.  The complaint has already been filed last year with a bunch of supporting documents. 

In fact, as per RTI Act, CIC should have heard the complaint straight away without granting the second opportunity to the Public Authority/CPIO. The Public Authorities are taking undue advantage of such practice as they tend to furnish information only after the case is remanded back to them by the Commission.  According to my estimate, hardly 20% RTI applicants are able to approach the CIC in case of non receipt of information meaning thereby that 80% such applicants do not get the information.

Moreover, CIC's delayed action by over 14-month in issuing the notice becomes irrelevant as by that time, the relevance and usefulness of the information is rendered becomes redundant.

The Govt. often pleads for the review the RTI Act, and if such review is undertaken, , such deviation and distortion should be set right in that review instead of clipping the wings of RTI Act or acting to the contrary.

Copy to:

Shri Vijay Bhalla, Dy. Registrars attacched to Shri Satyanand Mishra, Chief IC, and Shri T.K. Mohapatra, Dy. Registrr with Mrs. Deepak Sandhu for information.

                                                                                         

Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

Somewhere along the line, the colored use of the RTI as activism and it's political uses/misuse does not seem to bode well for it.

Wonder whether those that worked for it, and those that drafted it, ever had that in mind, presumably, just that the transparency shall lead to lesser exploitation, possibly justice being meted out to the weak.

Regards,

Pradeep Bajaj

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On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:02 AM, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Yes Sir, All is fine; God is kind. This new Trust is doing well . We had a huge function in Guwahati on the 21oct . All is fine with the family. The younger boy got married to the daughter of a senior IAS officer recently. They are happy in Mumbai. The younger one continues to be in the US. I am in touch with Cdr Jayaswal. He is in reasonably good health. 

How are things at your end Sir?

Chhikara

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From: bt pandit <btpandit34@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

dear rajender
        good to hear from you after long time . trust all well with you .
happy diwali to yourself & the family.
       gen pandit

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:49 PM, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

If anything, the existing loopholes need to be blocked. we in the Netaji Subhash Bose - INA Trust fully support the act .

 

Brig R S Chhikara

General Secretary

Netaji Subhash - INA Trust

From: baldev lall <br_lall@yahoo.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

I also support the RTI Act in its present form. Any change is meant to protect the corrupt or the potential corrupt person. No well meaning government will take up such an exercise.

BR Lall 

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

I support the RTI Act in its present form.

 

                        Regards,

                              KN 

 

 

 

 

 

From the Desk of :

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From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto: humjanenge@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Vinod Gandhi
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:02 AM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

 

We all fully support the RTI act in the present form if we need to change make it more transparent and strong.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

Regards

 

Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM

Gen Sec IESM

L - 48, Sector - 25,

NOIDA. 201301

Tele no 01204313951

Mobile   09810541222

 

Pls see IESM latest NEWS on http://www.iesm.org

 

IF YOU SEE SOMEONE WITHOUT A SMILE GIVE HIM ONE OF YOURS.

 

From: lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011 7:29 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] 30 Hrs left : Comments on Draft PPP Policy : Comment by 15 October 2011

 

Dear All,
 
Further to my my mail of 28 September 2011 below.
 
30 Hrs left to send your comments.
 
If not sent so far please do so.
 
Rgds,
Commodore Lokesh. K. Batra (Retd.)
Social & RTI Activist
BringChange 
------------------------------------

 
 
           National PPP Policy 2011 - Draft for Consultation
 
PPP Projects Viz RTI Act 2005

During RTI Convention 2010, it was opined that 'Public Private Partnerships' (PPP) projects ought to be under RTI Act 2005.
 
In this context on 04 January 2011, Shri Satyananda Mishra the Hon'ble CIC had written a letter to Shri Montek Singh Ahluwalia, Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission. 
 
The said CIC letter was responded by Shri Montek Singh Ahluwalia on 14 March 2011.
 
 Both these letters can be read on CIC website on following links
 

   http://cic.gov.in/IMP-Letters/Letter-To-DyChairman-on-PPP.pdf
 
  
    http://cic.gov.in/IMP-Letters/Reply-From-DC-14032011.pdf
 
 
Media had given adequate coverage to above letters.

Draft of National PPP Policy 2011 Promulgated by Ministry of Finance
  
On 27 September 2011, the Ministry of Finance has promulgated "Draft of PPP Policy 2011" and solicited views / suggestions from all stakeholders by 15 October, 2011. The Min Of Finance circular can be perused on Link below:

 
  http://pppinindia.com/draftpolicy.php

The National draft PPP Policy 2011  can also be downloaded (PDF) from Link :
 
 http://pppinindia.com/pdf/draftnationalppppolicy.pdf
 
 
My Take :
 
Since huge amount of 'Public Assets' are used by the Centre and State Governments for contracting PPP Projects... It is but natural that People act as Watchdogs to ensure accountability in the expenditure of PPP projects V/s benefits accrued to society at large.
 
Therefore while signing contracts the Centre & State Governments must ensure that the PROJECT comes within the perview of RTI Act 2005.
 
Now its Our Call:
 
 PLEASE SEND YOUR VIEWS/SUGGESTIONS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
 
Best
{Commodore Lokesh. K. Batra (Retd.)
Social & RTI Activist
BringChange
 
www.bringchange.org
 
 
28 September 2011  

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Re: [HumJanenge] Happy Diwali

Thanks pradhan, nd other friends, hope in the coming times, we argue less nd agree more,

Pradeep Bajaj

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On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:36 AM, pradyumna pradhan <pradyumnapradhan46@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wishing all members of humjanenge family a Very Happy Diwali.
>
> P K Pradhan
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> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:52 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> I wish happy Diwali to all my friends
>> mksinghal

[HumJanenge] Need help regarding Mumbai building plan

Dear Shivkumar,

I am Bangalore, and I am aware of Building Bye Laws of BBMP and also I
am Civil Engineer.

These are my reactions to your queries.

1. Can the BMC pass a plan for a residential building without
individual kitchens in every dwelling unit?
Yes. Because the Buildig Bye Laws are meant to protect the
neibhours so they are deprived of natural light and air.

2. What are the specifications for the kitchen?
The specifications are avialable with National Building Code or
Any Architectural Hand Books

3. What are the norms for constructing alcoves inside residential units?
There are no norms set for alcoves inside or outside residential
units. It is purely on the taste of customer.

3. Any other information that could be of use to us.
What Information do you want? Please specify.

The landlord of our building who is developing the property has got
approval for the building plan which shows two rooms, a
bathroom/toilet and an alcove instead of a kitchen.

The alcove which the builder is trying to pass off as a kitchen to the
residents is approximately the size of a small passage. Some of the
houses have alcove mentioned in the plan approved by the BMC, but the
draft plan given to the tenants show kitchen instead.

sue them in the consumer courts.

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Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-98450-39699

[HumJanenge] PENDING AT CIC - NEED TO FILE RTI/ SEND LETTER FOR FILLING UP THE 5 ICs POSTS

20,000 pending cases take sting out of RTI

Himanshi Dhawan TNN

New Delhi: The government may be making unwelcome noises to amend the RTI Act, but the Central Information Commission (CIC) is battling another enemy. The number of pending cases at the information watchdog has risen above 20,000, rendering the Commission's work useless. The CIC had about 15,000 pending cases in 2010, and has added over 5,000 so far this year. 

    An RTI appeal remains pending for an average of eight-nine months, and the tardiness significantly reduces the importance of the information. 

    Conceding the growing problem at hand, chief information commissioner Satyananda Mishra said, "We have crossed a pendency of over 20,000 cases. This is a huge inconvenience for information seekers." Earlier, the waiting time was six months that has now stretched to an average of eightnine months. 

    Sources say the problem is threefold: Lack of adequate number of commissioners coupled with the increasing number of RTI appeals and complaints and the efficiency of each commissioner. The CIC is functioning at half its strength. It has six commissioners as opposed to a sanctioned strength of 11, with each commissioner dispensing about 3,000 cases annually, which work out to less than nine a day. Besides, the cases that were scheduled to be heard by three commissioners, who retired last year, had to be re-allocated to incumbent commissioners.

                    ***************

In view of the above, it is desirable that some activists should file RTI and send letters to DoPT demanding filling up the five vacant posts of ICs for a long rather than discussing unproducting issue.

It seems that this is not in the list of priority work of DoPT/ Govt.  I am going to file one RTI to know the present status about filling the vacant posts.

Re: [HumJanenge] Need help regarding Mumbai building plan

A residential building plan without a kitchen is unique!!

The alcove could be free of FSI area and enclosing it after OC by residents for the purpose of a kitchen would be illegal and subject to demolition by BMC. I would like to see the Plans, if you permit, as I am doing research on such free FSI areas.

Regards

Utsal Karani
9324991030

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Shiv Kumar <journoshiv@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I need some help regarding a building plan passed by the Brihanmumbai
Municipal Corporation.

The landlord of our building who is developing the property has got
approval for the building plan which shows two rooms, a
bathroom/toilet and an alcove instead of a kitchen.

The alcove which the builder is trying to pass off as a kitchen to the
residents is approximately the size of a small passage. Some of the
houses have alcove mentioned in the plan approved by the BMC, but the
draft plan given to the tenants show kitchen instead.

Need the help of someone who is familiar with how the building plan to
help me out.

1. Can the BMC pass a plan for a residential building without
individual kitchens in every dwelling unit?

2. What are the specifications for the kitchen?

3. What are the norms for constructing alcoves inside residential units?

3. Any other information that could be of use to us.

Regards

Shiv Kumar

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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge

how cvc and cbi can take care of them, if nobody exposes them. it is
high time to expose all such people.
regards
sandeep

On 10/27/11, B S Bakshi <billbakshi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I am not trying to protect kiren bedi. There are nth number of cases of
> top brass in the armed forces who have been indulging in corruption &
> corrupt practices. I here quote an example of chief of the air staff as
> chief designate in 1988 ordered through Air Hqs, two AN-32 a/c from air
> force station chandigarh to be positioned at jodhpur to pick up his personal
> baggage & house hold goods from jodhpur to palam on his posting as CAS. This
> commitment was totally illegal & cost the exchequer lacs of
> rupees.additionally, manpower & transportion used to carry his personal
> baggage & house hold goods to the a/c in Jodhpur & from palam to Air House
> Akbar Road ,New Delhi was also illegal. I am aware of the individual officer
> who signed the signal ordering the flight. I only hope that this CAS
> designate did not prefer the claim carrying house hold goods by other means
> faking bills.If he has not claimed the carriage of his personal goods that
> shows that he carried the personal belongings by service a/c
> illegally.Incidentally this is common trend amongest air marshals & above.
> An RTI application would put large numbers in tight spot. Can these
> officials say that they did not have personal belongings & house hold goods
> during their 40 years of service. CVC & CBI should take care of them.BSB
>
> On 27 October 2011 12:18, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If we are so concerened about sick bleeding PSU mentioned here and
>> heavy liability the same is to the tax payers of this country, then we
>> shd check all inflated expenditure occuring in the same. Inflated
>> bills presented by people in PSUs for years altogether. This is not in
>> defence of kiran bedi . This is a fact.The holidays on tax money.
>> Regards.
>>
>> On 10/26/11, Hirak Nag <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> > Many of us wanting a strong Lokpal Bill to be passed by the end of this
>> > Winter session of Parliament are annoyed and become apprehensive that
>> > attacks on individual members of Team Anna are impediments towards
>> passing
>> > of the Bill after 42 uyears of effort. The Prime Minister AND Parliament
>> > have given a committement to have the bill passed. Let us citizens
>> > remind
>> > them of this committment.-----Hirak Nag.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 8:30 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > With what the UPA Govt stands for, it would have put Ms Bedi behind bar,
>> > stopped her pension and stripped her of her gallantry award had she
>> > committed an offence in contravention to the law of the land. That it
>> has
>> > not done so merely indicates that no offence has been committed. Please
>> let
>> > us not waste our time and effort on non issues
>> > .
>> > Col Kala
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 24/10/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> >>Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>> >>To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>> >> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> >>Date: Monday, 24 October, 2011, 6:46 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Hi Abhinav
>> >>
>> >>Without prejudice to what her colleagues say, Let's analyse what
>> >>happened.
>> >>
>> >>1) Kiran Bedi misuses her 75% discount (which she gets as a police
>> >>awardee) from a financially bleeding - loss making state PSU (Air
>> >>India) and charges FULL money (without submitting bills to) another
>> >>State Public authority, and POCKETS THE DIFFERENCE into her COMMERCIAL
>> >>NGO!!!
>> >>
>> >>2) The remedy, as per me, is not to file an FIR, but to get her police
>> >>medal / award revoked. Obviously her colleagues would like us to play
>> >>on her turf (she is an ex-IPS and knows how to manipulate the system)
>> >>especially as they know that the FIR would be filed in Madhya Pradesh
>> >>with Team Anna's in-house BJP Govt.
>> >>
>> >>So is there even 1 RTI expert in this group who can succeed in this
>> >>trivial challenge ???
>> >>
>> >>Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Oct 24, 5:31 pm, Abhinav <a.h.agar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Her colleagues have said that let FIR be filed, and the case be
>> >>> investigated. If found guilty, law would take it course.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Abhinav
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/24/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > There is a tiny section of our membership who are nothing but
>> armchair
>> >>> > warriors capable only of obfuscating the truth when it comes to
>> corrupt
>> >>> > people and processes.
>> >>>
>> >>> > As the most recent expose shows, Kiran Bedi has feet of clay. Is
>> there
>> >>> > even
>> >>> > 1 single person on this group who can show ME (not anybody else)
>> >>> > that
>> >>> > they
>> >>> > can get the President of India to cancel / revoke / withdraw Bedi's
>> >>> > police
>> >>> > gallantry medal which she misused to get 75% discount
>> > from State for her
>> >>> > commercial NGO business. I THINK NOT -- and this is my public
>> challenge
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > all our members - so put up or shut up !!
>> >>>
>> >>> > Sarbajit
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Abhinav
>> >>>
>> >>> "
>> >>> Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a
>> >>> touch
>> >>> that
>> >>> never hurts...
>> >>> "
>> >>
>>
>

--
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989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge

Hi, I am not trying to protect kiren bedi. There are nth number of cases of top brass in the armed forces who have been indulging in corruption & corrupt practices. I here quote an example of chief of the air staff  as chief designate in 1988 ordered  through Air Hqs,  two AN-32 a/c  from air force station chandigarh to be positioned at jodhpur to pick up his personal baggage & house hold goods from jodhpur to palam on his posting as CAS. This commitment was totally illegal & cost the exchequer lacs of rupees.additionally, manpower & transportion  used to carry his personal baggage  & house hold goods to the a/c in Jodhpur & from palam to Air House Akbar Road ,New Delhi was also illegal. I am aware of the individual officer who signed the signal ordering the flight. I only hope that this CAS designate did not prefer the claim carrying house hold goods by other means faking bills.If he has not claimed the carriage of his personal goods that shows that he carried the personal belongings by service a/c illegally.Incidentally this is common trend amongest air marshals & above. An  RTI application would put large numbers in tight spot. Can these officials say that they did not have personal belongings & house hold goods during their 40 years of service. CVC & CBI should take care of them.BSB

On 27 October 2011 12:18, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:

If we are so concerened about sick bleeding PSU mentioned here and
heavy liability the same is to the tax payers of this country, then we
shd check all inflated expenditure occuring in the same. Inflated
bills presented by people in PSUs for years altogether. This is not in
defence of kiran bedi . This is a fact.The holidays on tax money.
Regards.

On 10/26/11, Hirak Nag <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Many of us wanting a strong Lokpal Bill to be passed by the end of this
> Winter session of Parliament are annoyed and become apprehensive that
> attacks on individual members of Team Anna are impediments towards passing
> of the Bill after 42 uyears of effort. The Prime Minister AND Parliament
> have given a committement to have the bill passed. Let us citizens remind
> them of this committment.-----Hirak Nag.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> With what the UPA Govt stands for, it would have put Ms Bedi behind bar,
> stopped her pension and stripped her of her gallantry award had she
> committed an offence in contravention to the law of the land.  That it has
> not done so merely indicates that no offence has been committed.  Please let
> us not waste our time and effort on non issues
> .
> Col Kala
>
> --- On Mon, 24/10/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>>To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>Date: Monday, 24 October, 2011, 6:46 PM
>>
>>
>>Hi Abhinav
>>
>>Without prejudice to what her colleagues say, Let's analyse what
>>happened.
>>
>>1) Kiran Bedi misuses her 75% discount (which she gets as a police
>>awardee) from a financially bleeding - loss making state PSU (Air
>>India) and charges FULL money (without submitting bills to) another
>>State Public authority, and POCKETS THE DIFFERENCE into her COMMERCIAL
>>NGO!!!
>>
>>2) The remedy, as per me, is not to file an FIR, but to get her police
>>medal / award revoked. Obviously her colleagues would like us to play
>>on her turf (she is an ex-IPS and knows how to manipulate the system)
>>especially as they know that the FIR would be filed in Madhya Pradesh
>>with Team Anna's in-house BJP Govt.
>>
>>So is there even 1 RTI expert in this group who can succeed in this
>>trivial  challenge ???
>>
>>Sarbajit
>>
>>
>>
>>On Oct 24, 5:31 pm, Abhinav <a.h.agar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Her colleagues have said that let FIR be filed, and the case be
>>> investigated. If found guilty, law would take it course.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Abhinav
>>>
>>> On 10/24/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There is a tiny section of our membership who are nothing but armchair
>>> > warriors capable only of obfuscating the truth when it comes to corrupt
>>> > people and processes.
>>>
>>> > As the most recent expose shows, Kiran Bedi has feet of clay. Is there
>>> > even
>>> > 1 single person on this group who can show ME (not anybody else) that
>>> > they
>>> > can get the President of India to cancel / revoke / withdraw Bedi's
>>> > police
>>> > gallantry medal which she misused to get 75% discount
>  from State for her
>>> > commercial NGO business. I THINK NOT -- and this is my public challenge
>>> > to
>>> > all our members  - so put up or shut up !!
>>>
>>> > Sarbajit
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Abhinav
>>>
>>> "
>>> Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch
>>> that
>>> never hurts...
>>> "
>>

[HumJanenge] Need help regarding Mumbai building plan

Dear all,

I need some help regarding a building plan passed by the Brihanmumbai
Municipal Corporation.

The landlord of our building who is developing the property has got
approval for the building plan which shows two rooms, a
bathroom/toilet and an alcove instead of a kitchen.

The alcove which the builder is trying to pass off as a kitchen to the
residents is approximately the size of a small passage. Some of the
houses have alcove mentioned in the plan approved by the BMC, but the
draft plan given to the tenants show kitchen instead.

Need the help of someone who is familiar with how the building plan to
help me out.

1. Can the BMC pass a plan for a residential building without
individual kitchens in every dwelling unit?

2. What are the specifications for the kitchen?

3. What are the norms for constructing alcoves inside residential units?

3. Any other information that could be of use to us.

Regards

Shiv Kumar

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge

If we are so concerened about sick bleeding PSU mentioned here and
heavy liability the same is to the tax payers of this country, then we
shd check all inflated expenditure occuring in the same. Inflated
bills presented by people in PSUs for years altogether. This is not in
defence of kiran bedi . This is a fact.The holidays on tax money.
Regards.

On 10/26/11, Hirak Nag <hiraknag@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Many of us wanting a strong Lokpal Bill to be passed by the end of this
> Winter session of Parliament are annoyed and become apprehensive that
> attacks on individual members of Team Anna are impediments towards passing
> of the Bill after 42 uyears of effort. The Prime Minister AND Parliament
> have given a committement to have the bill passed. Let us citizens remind
> them of this committment.-----Hirak Nag.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> With what the UPA Govt stands for, it would have put Ms Bedi behind bar,
> stopped her pension and stripped her of her gallantry award had she
> committed an offence in contravention to the law of the land.  That it has
> not done so merely indicates that no offence has been committed.  Please let
> us not waste our time and effort on non issues
> .
> Col Kala
>
> --- On Mon, 24/10/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge
>>To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>Date: Monday, 24 October, 2011, 6:46 PM
>>
>>
>>Hi Abhinav
>>
>>Without prejudice to what her colleagues say, Let's analyse what
>>happened.
>>
>>1) Kiran Bedi misuses her 75% discount (which she gets as a police
>>awardee) from a financially bleeding - loss making state PSU (Air
>>India) and charges FULL money (without submitting bills to) another
>>State Public authority, and POCKETS THE DIFFERENCE into her COMMERCIAL
>>NGO!!!
>>
>>2) The remedy, as per me, is not to file an FIR, but to get her police
>>medal / award revoked. Obviously her colleagues would like us to play
>>on her turf (she is an ex-IPS and knows how to manipulate the system)
>>especially as they know that the FIR would be filed in Madhya Pradesh
>>with Team Anna's in-house BJP Govt.
>>
>>So is there even 1 RTI expert in this group who can succeed in this
>>trivial  challenge ???
>>
>>Sarbajit
>>
>>
>>
>>On Oct 24, 5:31 pm, Abhinav <a.h.agar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Her colleagues have said that let FIR be filed, and the case be
>>> investigated. If found guilty, law would take it course.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Abhinav
>>>
>>> On 10/24/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There is a tiny section of our membership who are nothing but armchair
>>> > warriors capable only of obfuscating the truth when it comes to corrupt
>>> > people and processes.
>>>
>>> > As the most recent expose shows, Kiran Bedi has feet of clay. Is there
>>> > even
>>> > 1 single person on this group who can show ME (not anybody else) that
>>> > they
>>> > can get the President of India to cancel / revoke / withdraw Bedi's
>>> > police
>>> > gallantry medal which she misused to get 75% discount
> from State for her
>>> > commercial NGO business. I THINK NOT -- and this is my public challenge
>>> > to
>>> > all our members  - so put up or shut up !!
>>>
>>> > Sarbajit
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Abhinav
>>>
>>> "
>>> Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch
>>> that
>>> never hurts...
>>> "
>>

Re: [HumJanenge] Happy Diwali

Wishing all members of humjanenge family a Very Happy Diwali.

P K Pradhan

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:52 PM, M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> I wish happy Diwali to all my friends
> mksinghal

Re: [HumJanenge] Diwali Greetings

Thank you and same to you and others --- On Tue, 25/10/11, lk jain <lk_jain07@yahoo.com> wrote: From: lk jain <lk_jain07@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Diwali Greetings To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 25 October, 2011, 7:30 PM Same to you   LKjain From: jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Diwali Greetings happy diwali From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Diwali Greetings to all thanks           I wish happy deepawali to all members Dr JN Sharma On 10/24/11, mukhtar ahmed <drmukhtar555@yahoo.co.in> wrote: > thanks very much .i reciprocate as i wishn you a very happy and prosperous > diwali. > dr mukhtar ahmed > > > ________________________________ > From: Ashok Bhanot <bhanotashok@hotmail.com> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 8:54 PM > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] Diwali Greetings > > > >  Dear Friends, > > Wishing you,  your family and all near & dear ones a very happy Deepawali. > > May Goddesss Lakshami bring Prosperity to every one. > > > With warm regards, > > Ashok Bhanot

Re: [HumJanenge] Shubh Dipawali!

Dear Friends,

Let this Diwali bring to you and your family all the fun, excitement, health and happiness. Let this Diwali usher India into a better Democracy, a better growth, a lower inflation and a better bottom-line for all her citizens.

 

Regards,
Devendra Tripathi
Cell: +1(408)416-1848

Re: [HumJanenge] HAPPY DIWALI

Very flowery and sweet.
Thanks and wish the same for you and your family.
JP.

 

---

From: krantikumar dharmadhikary <krdharma@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] HAPPY DIWALI

Thanks. Wish you all the same Col Dharma --- On Wed, 26/10/11, Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> wrote: From: Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> Subject: [HumJanenge] HAPPY DIWALI To: anilpannikker@gmail.com, bhattacharyyamalay@yahoo.co.in, bimal.khemani@gmail.com, gbgbandolan@gmail.com, h_c_arora@yahoo.co.in, "H.C. Arora" <hcarora.highcourt@gmail.com>, humjanenge@googlegroups.com, jaanoreabhiyaan@gmail.com, madhav.vishnubhatta@gmail.com, magpgujarat@gmail.com, "Manoj Pai" <mpai@bsnl.in>, milap_choraria@yahoo.com, mvss.bhojpur@gmail.com, nayak.venkatesh@gmail.com, "PCRF India" <parivartan.rti@gmail.com>, rakesh.dubbudu@gmail.com, "rti mukyadara" <mukhyadara@yahoo.co.in>, thebravepedestrian@gmail.com, vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in, wbrtimanch@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, 26 October, 2011, 5:44 AM I cannot wish with flowers, For they belong to God; I cannot wish with sweet foods, For they are man-made all! I cannot wish with rare gifts, For they may not be apt; I cannot wish with greetings, For they are soon forgot! I cannot wish with crackers, For they make noise and smoke; I cannot wish with clothes new, For they can lose their charm! But I can wish with words of love, Those come straight from my heart; Today, ( Oct 26 )good won or evil; Let's share this truth by art! Let light prevail or darkness, And illumine this world; Let love of human life spread, And glorify the Lord! Happy Diwali,2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge

Many of us wanting a strong Lokpal Bill to be passed by the end of this Winter session of Parliament are annoyed and become apprehensive that attacks on individual members of Team Anna are impediments towards passing of the Bill after 42 uyears of effort. The Prime Minister AND Parliament have given a committement to have the bill passed. Let us citizens remind them of this committment.-----Hirak Nag.

---

From: mmp kala <mmp_kala@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge

Dear Friends, With what the UPA Govt stands for, it would have put Ms Bedi behind bar, stopped her pension and stripped her of her gallantry award had she committed an offence in contravention to the law of the land.  That it has not done so merely indicates that no offence has been committed.  Please let us not waste our time and effort on non issues . Col Kala --- On Mon, 24/10/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: FOO Fighters of Humjanenge To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Monday, 24 October, 2011, 6:46 PM Hi Abhinav Without prejudice to what her colleagues say, Let's analyse what happened. 1) Kiran Bedi misuses her 75% discount (which she gets as a police awardee) from a financially bleeding - loss making state PSU (Air India) and charges FULL money (without submitting bills to) another State Public authority, and POCKETS THE DIFFERENCE into her COMMERCIAL NGO!!! 2) The remedy, as per me, is not to file an FIR, but to get her police medal / award revoked. Obviously her colleagues would like us to play on her turf (she is an ex-IPS and knows how to manipulate the system) especially as they know that the FIR would be filed in Madhya Pradesh with Team Anna's in-house BJP Govt. So is there even 1 RTI expert in this group who can succeed in this trivial  challenge ??? Sarbajit On Oct 24, 5:31 pm, Abhinav <a.h.agar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Her colleagues have said that let FIR be filed, and the case be > investigated. If found guilty, law would take it course. > > Thanks > Abhinav > > On 10/24/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is a tiny section of our membership who are nothing but armchair > > warriors capable only of obfuscating the truth when it comes to corrupt > > people and processes. > > > As the most recent expose shows, Kiran Bedi has feet of clay. Is there even > > 1 single person on this group who can show ME (not anybody else) that they > > can get the President of India to cancel / revoke / withdraw Bedi's police > > gallantry medal which she misused to get 75% discount from State for her > > commercial NGO business. I THINK NOT -- and this is my public challenge to > > all our members  - so put up or shut up !! > > > Sarbajit > > -- > Thanks > Abhinav > > " > Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that > never hurts... > "