Saturday, April 27, 2019

Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?

For a brief comprehensive account: 'Further Exposure on Balakot Bluff: 'IAF findings that India shot down own helicopter put on hold until after elections (Updated with IAF rebuttal and my response)'' at <https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/greenyouth/IcTSWbDQ1cI>.

One may find the above relevant, in the current context. 

Sukla 

P.S.: Is also reproduced below.  
Further Exposure on Balakot Bluff: 'IAF findings that India shot down own helicopter put on hold until after elections (Updated with IAF rebuttal and my response)'
27 Aprme

[Let's recap.

I. On the last Feb. 14, no less than than 40 CRPF jawans got killed, in Pulwama, on account of an act of suicide bombing by a local Kashmiri youth - travelling in a vehicle driven by him, rather recently recruited to a terrorist organisation (ref.: <https://in.reuters.com/article/india-kashmir-bomber/kashmir-suicide-bomber-radicalised-after-beating-by-troops-parents-say-idINKCN1Q41M2>), Jaish-e Mohammad, headquarterd in Pakistan.
It was by far the severest attack (ref.: <https://www.indiaspend.com/as-car-bomb-kills-44-crpf-troopers-94-rise-in-death-toll-of-security-forces-in-jk-in-4-years/>), in terms of loss of lives, that too of uniformed men, in decades.

II. Twelve days thereafter, on February 26, India launched missile attack within Pakistani territory, beyond the disputed zone, in Balakot in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.


Quite interestingly, the claims of damage, by the representatives of the GoI and the ruling party varied widely, wildly oscillating between zero and 400 (ref.: <https://twitter.com/myogiadityanath/status/1100787313330728960> and <https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/ashanka-what-happens-in-balakot-stays-in-balakot/cid/1686249>).

III. The next morning, on Feb. 27th, Pakistan, sort of, reciprocated the Indian move, carrying out an aerial attack breaching the LoC.
The outcome was matter of controversy.
Pakistan claimed to down two Indian fighter jets and India claimed downing one Pak fighter jet.
The Indian claim was, again, rather unsurprisingly, outright rejected by Pakistan, but, also would be, sort of, negated by a prestigious American journal (ref.: <https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/?fbclid=IwAR1VEhAkoBQklAMEpdodFq-ZSh9ToILRpspTjp2wP7GTLUFgKR0IatlAshQ>).
India, in turn, rejected the Pak claim of downing a second Indian aircraft.
What, however, came out undisputed is that India lost a fighter jet with pilot captured by Pakistan, who would be released two days thereafter.


V. What, however, needs be highlighted here that on Feb. 22, in Washington, the US President had observed, after his meeting with a visiting Chinese trade delegation: "India is looking at something very strong [emphasis added]. And I mean, India just lost almost 50 people with an attack. So, I could understand that also."
He'd also further add: "We are talking and a lot of people are talking. But, it is a very, very delicate balance going on right now. There's a lot of problems between India and Pakistan because of what just happened ... We're very much involved in that ... It's a terrible thing going on right now between Pakistan and India... it is a very, very bad situation and it's a very dangerous situation between the two countries. We would like to see it stopped."

On the following 26th, India would launch the Balakot air-strike.

On Feb. 28th, Trump, in Hanoi, said: "We have reasonably attractive news from Pakistan and India. They have been going at it and we have been involved trying to have them stop. [Emphasis added.] We have some reasonably decent news. I think hopefully that it's going to come to an end ... There has been a lot of dislike, unfortunately. So we have been in the middle trying to help them out, see if there is some organisation and peace. I think that is probably going to happen soon now.* (Ref.: <https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-pakistan-tensions-to-end-soon-have-reasonably-decent-news-donald-trump-5604820/> and <https://c-6rtwjumjzx7877x24nrl-x78-rx78s-htrx2efpfrfnejix2esjy.g01.msn.com/g00/3_c-6bbb.rx78s.htr_/c-6RTWJUMJZX77x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fnrl-x78-rx78s-htr.fpfrfneji.sjyx2fyjsfsyx2ffrux2fjsynydnix2fGGZgTa5.nrlx3fmx3d119x26bx3d279x26rx3d1x26vx3d15x26tx3dkx26qx3dkx26cx3d793x26dx3d13x26n65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$>.)

Later, the same day, the Pak Prime Minister Imran Khan announced the decision to release the captured Indian Pilot the next day, by way of addressing a joint session of the National Assembly.
The tensions got very palpably defused.

The conclusion becomes, thereby, almost inescapable that as in 1999, in the wake of Kargil war (ref.: <http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/14/the-story-of-how-nawaz-sharif-pulled-back-from-nuclear-war/> and <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/WCPD-1999-07-12/pdf/WCPD-1999-07-12-Pg1278.pdf>), the subcontinent escaped a looming nuclear apocalypse, by the skin of teeth, on account of forceful external interventions.

VI. Getting back to the Balakot, and its immediate aftermath, the write-up reproduced below shows up that it was because of "friendly fire" that an IAF Mi-17V5 helicopter got downed during this period, on Feb. 27, resulting in loss of precious lives of six IAF personnel and a civilian on the ground.
The report of the coirt of inquiry is deliberately held back, to sustain a false narrative of euphoria. (Ref., e.g.: 'This election is about taking revenge for martyrs, says (BJP President Amit) Shah' at <https://indianexpress.com/elections/lok-sabha-election-amit-shah-bjp-pulwama-balakot-narendra-modi-5697034/?fbclid=IwAR2bWec32zeCHBLX3KJolAa3pmxPt2GQzprBP-EpHvhBG6CYSNKZW6hWmHo>.)

VII. But, the stark fact remains that at the end of the day, India has lost one fighter jet, with its pilot having been captured by the enemy and then released, and, also, another helicopter, resulting in the loss of seven lives, including those of six IAF personnel.
With nothing, just nothing, to show in return.
In the process, the subcontinent faced the very real threat of extinction via nuclear apocalypse, which it could narrowly escape, thanks to external interventions.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has been told to keep on hold the findings of a "court of inquiry" (CoI) that has conclusively determined that an IAF Mi-17V5 helicopter was shot down by an Indian missile battery that was guarding Srinagar air base.
A senior helicopter pilot, of the rank of air commodore, heads the CoI.
Six IAF personnel and a civilian on the ground died in that "friendly fire" incident on February 27. Top IAF sources say the incident happened after officers from the ground missile battery misidentified the IAF chopper as a Pakistani aircraft on a mission to attack Srinagar.
The disaster took place the day after IAF fighters had struck a Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) terrorist camp in Pakistan to retaliate against a JeM suicide bomb attack 12 days earlier, which killed over 40 Indian troopers in Pulwama, near Srinagar.
The CoI has found that, with IAF and army units across Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) in a state of hair-trigger alert against expected Pakistani retaliation, two crucial omissions led to the missile battery opening fire and downing their own helicopter.

(Excerpted from below.)]


Saturday, 27 April 2019

IAF findings that India shot down own helicopter put on hold until after elections (Updated with IAF rebuttal and my response)

The smoking remains of the chopper after it was shot down by an IAF missile near Budgam

By Ajai Shukla


The Indian Air Force (IAF) has been told to keep on hold the findings of a "court of inquiry" (CoI) that has conclusively determined that an IAF Mi-17V5 helicopter was shot down by an Indian missile battery that was guarding Srinagar air base.

A senior helicopter pilot, of the rank of air commodore, heads the CoI.

Six IAF personnel and a civilian on the ground died in that "friendly fire" incident on February 27. Top IAF sources say the incident happened after officers from the ground missile battery misidentified the IAF chopper as a Pakistani aircraft on a mission to attack Srinagar.

The disaster took place the day after IAF fighters had struck a Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) terrorist camp in Pakistan to retaliate against a JeM suicide bomb attack 12 days earlier, which killed over 40 Indian troopers in Pulwama, near Srinagar.

The CoI has found that, with IAF and army units across Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) in a state of hair-trigger alert against expected Pakistani retaliation, two crucial omissions led to the missile battery opening fire and downing their own helicopter.

First, to guard against misidentification of aircraft in the prevailing state of alert, all IAF aircraft coming in to land in Srinagar were required to approach the air base only through a designated air corridor. Ground missile units would know that the aircraft approaching through the narrow "funnel" was a friendly aircraft.

For reasons that remain unclear, the Mi-17V5 helicopter was not in the safe corridor as it approached from the direction of Budgam, to the south of Srinagar. The ground missile units assumed the radar track they picked was that of a hostile aircraft.

Second, IAF aircraft are equipped with an electronic device called an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system, which beams out a coded signal that identifies the aircraft as a friendly one to all IAF radars and IFF receivers. The IFF system is required to be switched on, especially in a situation where ground missile units are on high alert.

For reasons that remain unclear, the CoI has found that the ill-fated helicopter's IFF system was not switched on that day.

IAF officers say they are keen to serve justice quickly and make an example of those found guilty of operational lapses. However, they are held back by a "go-slow" order from above.

They say the reason is: With the Balakot bombing and the Pakistani response, including the alleged shooting down of a Pakistani F-16 fighter, being painted in election campaigning as a major Indian victory, admitting the loss of a helicopter and seven personnel due to friendly fire would present a bleaker picture.

On February 27, the downing of the helicopter was obscured by the media attention on the downing of an IAF MiG-21 Bison fighter and the capture of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.

The IAF has declined to comment, stating: "The CoI is still in progress". Asked specifically about the delay in finalising the findings of the CoI, the IAF said: "The time line of any CoI cannot be predicted."

It is learned that the missile that was fired was an Israeli short-range surface to air missile (SR-SAM), which can engage incoming targets at ranges out to 20 kilometres. While engaging targets at those ranges, there is no scope for visual identification. Aircraft are merely a blip on a radar.

The incoming helicopter was engaged with the permission of the Base Air Defence Officer at Srinagar, who was required to satisfy himself that targets being engaged were indeed hostile.

==============

Update:

In response to this article, the Indian Air Force tweeted at 10:26 a.m. on April 27:

"Today in an article written by Ajai Shukla he has incorrectly speculated that the IAF Court of Inquiry constituted to investigate the Mi-17 V5 crash at Srinagar on 27 Feb has been put on hold. This is his imagination and IAF categorically denies this."

"CoI of aircraft accidents are meticulous & time consuming. All past inquiries of aircraft accidents bear testimony to this. Proceedings of a CoI are not commented upon by IAF till completion of the inquiry in all cases. There is no connection between elections & completion of CoI."

Ajai Shukla responds:

This corespondent contacted the Indian Air Force for comments before publishing the article. The report carried their comments: "The CoI is still in progress" and "The time line of any CoI cannot be predicted."

The IAF accepts the article's basic point: that, two months after the deaths of seven persons in a "friendly fire" incident, the CoI has not been finalised.

None of the other details in the report, about how and why an IAF missile battery shot down an IAF helicopter, are being rebutted by the IAF.

The IAF claims that a two-month delay in finalising a CoI relating to an operational debacle is normal. However, top IAF officers say the delay in finalising the CoI has been imposed from above.

I stand by the report, which is based on inputs from two highly credible IAF officers.

Peace Is Doable


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On Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 18:54 Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net wrote:
Dear Robin
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robin Deans <robin_deans@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Roy,
                       rather than post a gist of your claimed reply to your RTI inquiry, It would have been appropriate had you posted a scanned copy of the reply so that the source could be established/authenticated.  I fully endorse Vijay's views 
Best wishes
Robin Deans



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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?
 
Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
I do not think IAC should be involved in such a matter. I think the attack on Balakot has had its own favourable consequences (notwithstanding your RTI findings). I am not even sure this is an issue under your charter. Had I been Chief of the Airforce and there was any hanky-panky, I would not have put out the briefings which are on record. (I am NOT being naive!) I urge you to concentrate your energies on the many corruption cases which exist.
Sincerely,
Vijay Shivdasani

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:50 AM Ramesh Sharma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
It is better to presume that no strike took place than to get into any unnecessary discussion/ argument about it. 

The armed forces need to be kept out of all the nonsense that goes on in political circles. 

Why politicise the armed forces?

Regards,

Ramesh Sharma


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:06 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Shri S.P. Mathur, IPS (Retd)

You would be interested to know that as per official filings I have made to Ministry of Defence immediately after alleged Balakot air strike, the MoD and Air HQ presently claim (in interim updates) that they have no information about the Balakot air strike or its damage assessments or number of persons who were injuriously affected by it. (NB: This is very different from refusing me the information under national security exemptions which they could very well choose to do).

Because of the careful and precise way my duly registered and acknowledged (and long overdue for disposal) communications to Min of Defence were made, they are now unable to dispose of them and are apparently internally laying the blame at doorstep of politicians and Ministry of External Affairs for giving wrong briefings. There are notings of protest inside Air HQ and MoDef that Armed forces are being misused for political purposes.

As a consequence of IAC's communications on this issue, MEA Minister Sushma Swaraj was forced to publicly concede that nobody was killed as a result of the (alleged) Balakot air strike.

Accordingly, you can rest assured that IAC is doing its work silently, as a very potent force, within the corridors of power to ensure that the steel frames do not get corroded or converted to plastic by rogue politicians.

sincerely


Sarbajit Roy
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS

Is IAC planning to take some action on this? I'm in.

Vidyut
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Like Shri Prodipto Roy could be, I am perplexed that the BJP is campaigning for election for a "Modi Sarkar", rather than a "BJP Sarkar". I am sure there is a difference between the two.
Rajan

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS
 

Because the rest of India is tired of a particular set of North-westerners (including those esconsed in North and West Indian metros) manipulating elections.  We hark back to the time of great CECs like T. N. Seshan.

We have no faith any more in any government institutions from RBI to the EC to CBI and we have learnt the real purpose of the cruel demonetization trick perpetrated on the people and seen how the credit for government programmes run by various ministries (with our money or multilateral agency FIs like World Bank,  the Swacch Bharat mission, for instance) is taken solely by the PM,  his face emblazoned above every ad on every bus,  Metro rail and public hoarding.

Sorry about that,  but it's a view I share with many,  and it's not against a party but a clique, supported by the billionaires of India,  also from the same Western states.
Joya Roy


On 24 Apr 2019 3:04 p.m., "Girinder Singh" <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All Learned fellow-beings
I was surprised by the views narrated in this article.
What do you mean by ? : Non-North/West Indian States? Means you seems pre-biased to have such views - region wise?
I strongly condem such views!
Girendra Singh
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On 22-Apr-2019, at 11:54 AM, Dinesh Verma (via indiaresists Mailing List) <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

All of you are right to say that Election Commission was weak.But we
can not allege motive for that.
Now the Hon'ble S C has awaken the E C .There after the E C has taken
action against all irrespective of
part affiliations.Some complaints are still pending as reply of the
party is awaited.
Let us wait .Constitutional Intuitions be not denigrated.
D.C.Verma

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<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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> This Chief Election Commissioner is a handpicked Gujarat IAS officer,  I believe,  and is there only to ensure that the Gujarati clique gets voted in again. Why would he censure any statements made to inflame passions before the elections? He only warned Yogi 'to be careful'  when he made incendiary and communal utterances recently.
>
> He is deliberately inefficient, as in the case of the hundreds of malfunctioning EVMs in the first round of LS Polls that were replaced by machines whose numbers were not registered with the EC.  This was a gross violation of EC norms and rules. It is well known that voting can be manipulated by certain radio frequencies from vehicles in the vicinity of polling booths and also that results can be altered to give a preferred party an advantage over others AFTER votes are polled and before results are to be announced.
>
> Why couldn't we have had a CEC from a non-North/West Indian state for the job?
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> Joya Roy
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>> Election commission is a constitutional body created by the Constitution to conduct free and fair elections. Election Commission is a constitutional body as much as the judiciary is .
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>> When the Election Commission has the responsibility to conduct free and fair elections as expected by the constitution of India, it obviously means that it has inherent powers to ensure the necessary conditions for achieving it's objectives.
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>> In recent years, judiciary has become a very powerful body in the country ,mainly because the judges are frequently using inherent powers given to them by the constitution. It now  appears that there is no ceiling for the powers of the judiciary.
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>> Judiciary has been able to use it's inherent powers due to the massive support that it gets from the people for it's attempts to enforce rule of law and discipline.
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>> In the same way, the Election Commission would get massive support from the people if it would act strongly and meet it's objective of conducting free and fair elections by ruthlessly punishing the wrong doers.
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>> Former Chief Election Commissioner  T.N.Seshan attempted to use his inherent powers and he is praised even today by the people. Those who preceded him and succeeded him do not seem to emulate his example.
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>> Today, Election Commission has become weak because Election Commissioners have become weak. The Election Commission has allowed itself to become a punching bag for the reckless politicians. This is a setback for electoral democracy in India which should not be allowed to continue.
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Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?

Dear Robin
Please fnd images


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On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 12:15 PM Robin Deans <robin_deans@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Roy,
                       rather than post a gist of your claimed reply to your RTI inquiry, It would have been appropriate had you posted a scanned copy of the reply so that the source could be established/authenticated.  I fully endorse Vijay's views 
Best wishes
Robin Deans



From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Vijay Shivdasani <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:13 AM
To: rnsgss@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?
 
Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
I do not think IAC should be involved in such a matter. I think the attack on Balakot has had its own favourable consequences (notwithstanding your RTI findings). I am not even sure this is an issue under your charter. Had I been Chief of the Airforce and there was any hanky-panky, I would not have put out the briefings which are on record. (I am NOT being naive!) I urge you to concentrate your energies on the many corruption cases which exist.
Sincerely,
Vijay Shivdasani

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:50 AM Ramesh Sharma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
It is better to presume that no strike took place than to get into any unnecessary discussion/ argument about it. 

The armed forces need to be kept out of all the nonsense that goes on in political circles. 

Why politicise the armed forces?

Regards,

Ramesh Sharma


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:06 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Shri S.P. Mathur, IPS (Retd)

You would be interested to know that as per official filings I have made to Ministry of Defence immediately after alleged Balakot air strike, the MoD and Air HQ presently claim (in interim updates) that they have no information about the Balakot air strike or its damage assessments or number of persons who were injuriously affected by it. (NB: This is very different from refusing me the information under national security exemptions which they could very well choose to do).

Because of the careful and precise way my duly registered and acknowledged (and long overdue for disposal) communications to Min of Defence were made, they are now unable to dispose of them and are apparently internally laying the blame at doorstep of politicians and Ministry of External Affairs for giving wrong briefings. There are notings of protest inside Air HQ and MoDef that Armed forces are being misused for political purposes.

As a consequence of IAC's communications on this issue, MEA Minister Sushma Swaraj was forced to publicly concede that nobody was killed as a result of the (alleged) Balakot air strike.

Accordingly, you can rest assured that IAC is doing its work silently, as a very potent force, within the corridors of power to ensure that the steel frames do not get corroded or converted to plastic by rogue politicians.

sincerely


Sarbajit Roy
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Friday, April 26, 2019

Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?

Dear Mr. Roy,
                       rather than post a gist of your claimed reply to your RTI inquiry, It would have been appropriate had you posted a scanned copy of the reply so that the source could be established/authenticated.  I fully endorse Vijay's views 
Best wishes
Robin Deans



From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Vijay Shivdasani <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:13 AM
To: rnsgss@gmail.com
Cc: Sarbajit Roy; indiaresists
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAF (Air HQ) says : Alleged Balakot air strike never happened ?
 
Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
I do not think IAC should be involved in such a matter. I think the attack on Balakot has had its own favourable consequences (notwithstanding your RTI findings). I am not even sure this is an issue under your charter. Had I been Chief of the Airforce and there was any hanky-panky, I would not have put out the briefings which are on record. (I am NOT being naive!) I urge you to concentrate your energies on the many corruption cases which exist.
Sincerely,
Vijay Shivdasani

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:50 AM Ramesh Sharma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
It is better to presume that no strike took place than to get into any unnecessary discussion/ argument about it. 

The armed forces need to be kept out of all the nonsense that goes on in political circles. 

Why politicise the armed forces?

Regards,

Ramesh Sharma


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:06 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Shri S.P. Mathur, IPS (Retd)

You would be interested to know that as per official filings I have made to Ministry of Defence immediately after alleged Balakot air strike, the MoD and Air HQ presently claim (in interim updates) that they have no information about the Balakot air strike or its damage assessments or number of persons who were injuriously affected by it. (NB: This is very different from refusing me the information under national security exemptions which they could very well choose to do).

Because of the careful and precise way my duly registered and acknowledged (and long overdue for disposal) communications to Min of Defence were made, they are now unable to dispose of them and are apparently internally laying the blame at doorstep of politicians and Ministry of External Affairs for giving wrong briefings. There are notings of protest inside Air HQ and MoDef that Armed forces are being misused for political purposes.

As a consequence of IAC's communications on this issue, MEA Minister Sushma Swaraj was forced to publicly concede that nobody was killed as a result of the (alleged) Balakot air strike.

Accordingly, you can rest assured that IAC is doing its work silently, as a very potent force, within the corridors of power to ensure that the steel frames do not get corroded or converted to plastic by rogue politicians.

sincerely


Sarbajit Roy
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Re: [IAC#RG] Are we Hindus fools to vote for Modi ?

In reply to your question - " Please tell us that if not Modi then to whom the people should vote?"


You can simply vote for Mr. Modi to buy 1 and get 11 scamsters free along with Amit Shah (and son) as 12th man.

1. Subhash "Zee" Chandra
2. Nirav Modi
3. Mehul "bhai" Choksi
4. Mukesh Ambani
5. Gautam Adani
6. Hari Sankaran
7. Vijay "Good times" Mallya
8. Kumarmangalam Birla
9. Rafale jet (Dassault)
10. Arun Jaitley
11. Ajit Doval


On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:23 PM Girender Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please tell us that if not Modi then to whom the people should vote?

On Tuesday, 23 April, 2019, 12:44:38 am IST, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear friend Prasad

We are puzzled to knwo where exactly "our" Modiji has built temples ?
Has he built one in Ayodhyya ? Can you account for the thousands of
crores which RSS took as donations to build that temple ? Or will
"your" Modiji account for it ?

Those were not illegal buildings, those were 300 and 400 year old
Hindu temples. How can temples be illegal buildings ? This is a gross
insult to Hindus from the man who threw his own wife onto the streets
and refused to acxknowledge her as such..

On 4/21/19, Prasad Lonari <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Dear Rajinder,
>
> As per your above information about Modi is " Meaning less ".It shows your
> hateness about our pride Modi.
> Actually Mr.Rajinder he has taken up initiative to Build Temples &
> Safeguard old historical temples.He has pulled down & destroyed the illegal
> houses built-up by public in temple areas.Now he is destroying such
> buildings.
>
> Hence we appreciate our Modiji & we Always Vote for Modi ....Bharat Mata ki
> Jai...Vande Mataram 🇮🇳💪✌️🇮🇳
>
>
> On Sun 21 Apr, 2019, 4:53 PM Rajinder Dalvi,
> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Benares / Kashi is among the most sacred places in Hinduism.
>>
>> Yet, in last 9 months this Babur Modi has destroyed and pulled down over
>> 150 temples in Kashi by an Ahmedabad based construction company and paid
>> them Rs. 697 crores to do so with more to follow.
>>
>> It is high time Hindus of Kashi, and Hindustan, see through these *Babur
>> ke aulaad* and trounce them at the hustings. There is absolutely no hope
>> that these deceivers will construct any temple at Ayodhyya.
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS

Wilful & complicit INACTION


On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 09:07, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Vermaji,
We protest/complain so that august and constitutional institutions like the EC should not be denigrated. Was it necessary for the Supreme Court to wake up the EC? We cannot wait long for the EC to act as damaging bias can be created in the minds of the voters while they exercise their franchise.
Regards
Rajan

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Dinesh Verma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:54 AM
To: prodipto.r@gmail.com
Cc: Activist N. S. Venkataraman; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS
 
All of you are right to say that Election Commission was weak.But we
can not allege motive for that.
Now the Hon'ble S C has awaken the E C .There after the E C has taken
action against all irrespective of
part affiliations.Some complaints are still pending as reply of the
party is awaited.
Let us wait .Constitutional Intuitions be not denigrated.
D.C.Verma

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 9:39 PM Prodipto Roy
<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> This Chief Election Commissioner is a handpicked Gujarat IAS officer,  I believe,  and is there only to ensure that the Gujarati clique gets voted in again. Why would he censure any statements made to inflame passions before the elections? He only warned Yogi 'to be careful'  when he made incendiary and communal utterances recently.
>
> He is deliberately inefficient, as in the case of the hundreds of malfunctioning EVMs in the first round of LS Polls that were replaced by machines whose numbers were not registered with the EC.  This was a gross violation of EC norms and rules. It is well known that voting can be manipulated by certain radio frequencies from vehicles in the vicinity of polling booths and also that results can be altered to give a preferred party an advantage over others AFTER votes are polled and before results are to be announced.
>
> Why couldn't we have had a CEC from a non-North/West Indian state for the job?
>
> Joya Roy
>
>
> On 21 Apr 2019 8:37 a.m., "Venkatraman Ns" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>                                                                 WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND   IT HAS INHERENT POWERS  ?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is surprising that the Election Commission has told the Supreme Court that it lacks powers to act against the misbehaving politicians and candidates contesting in the election and  Supreme Court judges have expressed surprise and said that they would examine the powers of the Election Commission.
>>
>> Election commission is a constitutional body created by the Constitution to conduct free and fair elections. Election Commission is a constitutional body as much as the judiciary is .
>>
>> When the Election Commission has the responsibility to conduct free and fair elections as expected by the constitution of India, it obviously means that it has inherent powers to ensure the necessary conditions for achieving it's objectives.
>>
>> In recent years, judiciary has become a very powerful body in the country ,mainly because the judges are frequently using inherent powers given to them by the constitution. It now  appears that there is no ceiling for the powers of the judiciary.
>>
>> Judiciary has been able to use it's inherent powers due to the massive support that it gets from the people for it's attempts to enforce rule of law and discipline.
>>
>> In the same way, the Election Commission would get massive support from the people if it would act strongly and meet it's objective of conducting free and fair elections by ruthlessly punishing the wrong doers.
>>
>> Former Chief Election Commissioner  T.N.Seshan attempted to use his inherent powers and he is praised even today by the people. Those who preceded him and succeeded him do not seem to emulate his example.
>>
>> Today, Election Commission has become weak because Election Commissioners have become weak. The Election Commission has allowed itself to become a punching bag for the reckless politicians. This is a setback for electoral democracy in India which should not be allowed to continue.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>>
>> Nandini Voice for The Deprived
>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS

Like Shri Prodipto Roy could be, I am perplexed that the BJP is campaigning for election for a "Modi Sarkar", rather than a "BJP Sarkar". I am sure there is a difference between the two.
Rajan

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Prodipto Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 4:35 PM
To: Girinder Singh; indiaresists
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT HAS INHERENT POWERS
 

Because the rest of India is tired of a particular set of North-westerners (including those esconsed in North and West Indian metros) manipulating elections.  We hark back to the time of great CECs like T. N. Seshan.

We have no faith any more in any government institutions from RBI to the EC to CBI and we have learnt the real purpose of the cruel demonetization trick perpetrated on the people and seen how the credit for government programmes run by various ministries (with our money or multilateral agency FIs like World Bank,  the Swacch Bharat mission, for instance) is taken solely by the PM,  his face emblazoned above every ad on every bus,  Metro rail and public hoarding.

Sorry about that,  but it's a view I share with many,  and it's not against a party but a clique, supported by the billionaires of India,  also from the same Western states.
Joya Roy


On 24 Apr 2019 3:04 p.m., "Girinder Singh" <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All Learned fellow-beings
I was surprised by the views narrated in this article.
What do you mean by ? : Non-North/West Indian States? Means you seems pre-biased to have such views - region wise?
I strongly condem such views!
Girendra Singh
A IAC Volunteer

Sent from my Apple iPhone

On 22-Apr-2019, at 11:54 AM, Dinesh Verma (via indiaresists Mailing List) <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

All of you are right to say that Election Commission was weak.But we
can not allege motive for that.
Now the Hon'ble S C has awaken the E C .There after the E C has taken
action against all irrespective of
part affiliations.Some complaints are still pending as reply of the
party is awaited.
Let us wait .Constitutional Intuitions be not denigrated.
D.C.Verma

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 9:39 PM Prodipto Roy
<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> This Chief Election Commissioner is a handpicked Gujarat IAS officer,  I believe,  and is there only to ensure that the Gujarati clique gets voted in again. Why would he censure any statements made to inflame passions before the elections? He only warned Yogi 'to be careful'  when he made incendiary and communal utterances recently.
>
> He is deliberately inefficient, as in the case of the hundreds of malfunctioning EVMs in the first round of LS Polls that were replaced by machines whose numbers were not registered with the EC.  This was a gross violation of EC norms and rules. It is well known that voting can be manipulated by certain radio frequencies from vehicles in the vicinity of polling booths and also that results can be altered to give a preferred party an advantage over others AFTER votes are polled and before results are to be announced.
>
> Why couldn't we have had a CEC from a non-North/West Indian state for the job?
>
> Joya Roy
>
>
>> On 21 Apr 2019 8:37 a.m., "Venkatraman Ns" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>                                                                WHY ELECTION COMMISSION DOES NOT UNDERSTAND   IT HAS INHERENT POWERS  ?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is surprising that the Election Commission has told the Supreme Court that it lacks powers to act against the misbehaving politicians and candidates contesting in the election and  Supreme Court judges have expressed surprise and said that they would examine the powers of the Election Commission.
>>
>> Election commission is a constitutional body created by the Constitution to conduct free and fair elections. Election Commission is a constitutional body as much as the judiciary is .
>>
>> When the Election Commission has the responsibility to conduct free and fair elections as expected by the constitution of India, it obviously means that it has inherent powers to ensure the necessary conditions for achieving it's objectives.
>>
>> In recent years, judiciary has become a very powerful body in the country ,mainly because the judges are frequently using inherent powers given to them by the constitution. It now  appears that there is no ceiling for the powers of the judiciary.
>>
>> Judiciary has been able to use it's inherent powers due to the massive support that it gets from the people for it's attempts to enforce rule of law and discipline.
>>
>> In the same way, the Election Commission would get massive support from the people if it would act strongly and meet it's objective of conducting free and fair elections by ruthlessly punishing the wrong doers.
>>
>> Former Chief Election Commissioner  T.N.Seshan attempted to use his inherent powers and he is praised even today by the people. Those who preceded him and succeeded him do not seem to emulate his example.
>>
>> Today, Election Commission has become weak because Election Commissioners have become weak. The Election Commission has allowed itself to become a punching bag for the reckless politicians. This is a setback for electoral democracy in India which should not be allowed to continue.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>>
>> Nandini Voice for The Deprived
>>
>> nandinivoice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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