Saturday, July 11, 2015

RE: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

A large number of divergent views are emerging mainly because some of the individuals giving their views are Economic Man, other could be Material Man, Divine or Social or Spiritual Men or a combination of all. 
However, in Socialism many wrong practices are deliberately encouraged by many political leaders, insensitive bureaucrats and false Dealers of Hope and many others like some doctors, CAs. advocates/lawyers, businessmen and even teachers. In socialism punishing honest men is very common. I have travelled nearly all the countries of the world, practice vary considerably in Poland, Russia, Pakistan, USA, UK, Germany, Australia etc. In Liberal countries where politics is by and large a noble Endeavour, even doctors follow very honest and straight forward practices.
 
The sovereign citizens of India have not ubderstood that most of our problems of corrupt practices are due to our rudderless socialism and there is no move to change the system of governance. Fleecing by doctors, CAs, lawyers/advocates, businessmen, bureucrats, false gurus/swamis, property dealers and others will continue and soon reach a stage endangering the freedom of the country.   
 
When there are no fleecing doctors/hospitals in Australia, Germany, Denmark etc we are not prepared to examine. All whistle blowers, honest doctors in govrnment hopitals are punished with inconvenient transfers or  made doctors on Special duties (i.e. no active duty). We may do endless discussion on this subject, nothing will change unless we change Socialism to Liberalism.
 
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
 

 
From: arati.kapoor@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:58:36 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors


No you are wrong as you just can't compare money and life as equal. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 10-Jul-2015, at 9:13 pm, Prof Anil Arora, New Delhi <anilarora@delhiorthojournal.com> wrote:

Well said Harpal.

The problem is that only DOCTORS are supposed to make sacrifices and give SELFELESS Services to the society.

It is not applicable to other professionals (like Lawyers, CA) who sometimes charge lakhs of rupees as their fee.

It is because we are emotionally exploited as we are handling human lives. But the society forgets that years and years of hard work, dedication and sacrifices to become a doctor.

It is totally a Government failure as the resources are far too meager for our population. Residents are overworked. Only doctors are supposed to serve Rural Folks, no body else !!!

Anil Arora

Delhi

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Harpal Singh Selhi
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:29 PM
To: drbh90@yahoo.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

 

The problem with profit is based on government policies. Why are corporate companies allowed to open and operate hospitals or healthcare??

 

These are for profit companies and for them hospital is another enterprise!!!

 

Why government cannot create enough well paying jobs with good working condition and professional satisfaction so that doctors do not have to look for jobs elsewhere???

 

Our government is for the corporate, by the corporate and to the corporate

 

Regard

 

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Dr D K Bhandari <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Today there is lot of hue & cry regarding doctors minting money. The actual problem is that the medical treatment has become costly not because of doctors but because of the govt. Policies.

Why there is no proper drug pricing. Today a doctor earns less then a chemist on his prescription & that too without any strings attached  like reaction , no response , responsibility etc. odd hour consultation ,free consultation &charity. But nothing about lawyers, cA architects politicians .

Sent from my iPad


On 07-Jul-2015, at 07:52, Dr Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:

What about Chartered Accountants, Lawyers, Architects and other professionals.

 

 



Sent from Mailbox

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Madhu Bhatia <bhatiamadhu@gmail.com> wrote:

WHY ARE THEY PAID IN LAKHS?

THEY NEED TO HAVE A STIPULATED LOWER FEE STRUCTURE

 

WHY R THEY SPECIAL. 

 

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM, New Link Road Residents Forum <newlinkroad@gmail.com> wrote:

The point raised has some validity but the solutions would be:

Insist on numbered receipt for all payments.

Pay by credit card/debit card.

 

Most hospitals do not accept cheques because of numerous instances of cheques bouncing.

 

Regards,

Dr. Mathew

Ashok Hospital

 


 

Let us link up for the Link Road

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

           @gmail.com                                  

To

 

India Against Corruption

                                                                                                      FLEECING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS

 

It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.

Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.

 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.

Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50

Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.

N.S.Venkatarman

Nandini Voice For The Deprived

 

 

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[IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

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The factual problem is else where...............
 
We, as a society, are becoming more and more selfish & self-centered, rather than selfless!
I am not attempting to write an essay here, but to stick to the point with as little words as possible............
 
We have to improve ourselves individually with honesty, not forgetting our character, by making our ''soul & body"  best friends!
 
POLITICIANs are especially to note....... for they better become 'IDEAL' and "EXAMPLEs'' for our SOCIETY to move towards a POSITIVE world.   
 
And all the Doctors ought to honour their words of OATH upon qualifying as DOCTORs, after their TRAINING to serve the society and the country (as ARMED FORCEs personnel do), till the end, rather than quickly forgetting the same!
 
Let us all be aware of this, and remind them about this aspect, to start with!!
 
Best of LUCK to us all & God bless us !
 
Anil Dhir
 
 

From: arati.kapoor@gmail.com with an AIM
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:58:36 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

No you are wrong as you just can't compare money and life as equal. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 10-Jul-2015, at 9:13 pm, Prof Anil Arora, New Delhi <anilarora@delhiorthojournal.com> wrote:

Well said Harpal.

The problem is that only DOCTORS are supposed to make sacrifices and give SELFELESS Services to the society.

It is not applicable to other professionals (like Lawyers, CA) who sometimes charge lakhs of rupees as their fee.

It is because we are emotionally exploited as we are handling human lives. But the society forgets that years and years of hard work, dedication and sacrifices to become a doctor.

It is totally a Government failure as the resources are far too meager for our population. Residents are overworked. Only doctors are supposed to serve Rural Folks, no body else !!!

Anil Arora

Delhi

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Harpal Singh Selhi
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:29 PM
To: drbh90@yahoo.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

 

The problem with profit is based on government policies. Why are corporate companies allowed to open and operate hospitals or healthcare??

 

These are for profit companies and for them hospital is another enterprise!!!

 

Why government cannot create enough well paying jobs with good working condition and professional satisfaction so that doctors do not have to look for jobs elsewhere???

 

Our government is for the corporate, by the corporate and to the corporate

 

Regard

 

Harpal


Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

Resi:
527-L, Model Town,
Ludhiana-141002
Punjab (INDIA)
+91-9815022527

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Dr D K Bhandari <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Today there is lot of hue & cry regarding doctors minting money. The actual problem is that the medical treatment has become costly not because of doctors but because of the govt. Policies.

Why there is no proper drug pricing. Today a doctor earns less then a chemist on his prescription & that too without any strings attached  like reaction , no response , responsibility etc. odd hour consultation ,free consultation &charity. But nothing about lawyers, cA architects politicians .

Sent from my iPad


On 07-Jul-2015, at 07:52, Dr Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:

What about Chartered Accountants, Lawyers, Architects and other professionals.

 

 



Sent from Mailbox

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Madhu Bhatia <bhatiamadhu@gmail.com> wrote:

WHY ARE THEY PAID IN LAKHS?

THEY NEED TO HAVE A STIPULATED LOWER FEE STRUCTURE

 

WHY R THEY SPECIAL. 

 

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM, New Link Road Residents Forum <newlinkroad@gmail.com> wrote:

The point raised has some validity but the solutions would be:

Insist on numbered receipt for all payments.

Pay by credit card/debit card.

 

Most hospitals do not accept cheques because of numerous instances of cheques bouncing.

 

Regards,

Dr. Mathew

Ashok Hospital

 


 

Let us link up for the Link Road

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

                                             

To

 

India Against Corruption

                                                                                                      FLEECING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS

 

It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.

Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.

 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.

Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50

Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.

N.S.Venkatarman

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM GoNCTD

To:
JT-CP/Traffic (Delhi Police)

Sir

With reference to my complaint reference No.is 10614/E-mail dated 26/06/2015.

I am sanguine that my complaint will be investigated fully and promptly.

In addition to my detailed complaint, you may also like to internally enquire

a) Why section 183(2) MV Act was not invoked against Mr. Sisodia and
he was allowed to step out of the car and merge into the crowd to
escape statutory penalty. For eg. in USA the driver and occupants are
firmly instructed to stay inside the car or be shot.

b) Why section 184 MV Act was not invoked after this "chase and
challan" when the offender fled the scene and had to be apprehended by
a Delhi Police high tech 'chase and challan' armed commando after long
and dangerous chase through crowded areas, and and arrest made under
section 202 MV Act (cognisable).

c) That special precautions ought to have been taken in this matter
considering that Mr. Sisodia has a string of FIRs registered against
him, including, if I am correctly informed by Hon'ble Election
Commission of India website, for rioting and assaulting police
officers with deadly weapons.

sincerely

Sarbajit Roy
Informant

On 7/8/15, Bhim Sain Bassi <cp.bsbassi@delhipolice.gov.in> wrote:
> Respected Sir,
>
>
> Thanks for your E-mail. Your E-mail has been
> acknowledged by Commissioner of Police, Delhi and the same has been referred
> to the Joint Commissioner of Police/Traffic for further necessary action and
> your reference No.is 10614/E-mail dated 26/06/2015. His office telephone
> No. 23490010 Extn. 4227 and his e-mail ID is jtcpt-dtp@nic.in.
>
>
> jtcpt-dtp@nic.in
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:29 am
> Subject: Fwd: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM
> GoNCTD
> To: cp.bsbassi@nic.in, indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>
>
>
>
>> To:
>
>> The Commissioner,
>
>> Delhi Police
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>
>> Sir
>
>>
>
>
>> Kindly refer to the appended email from o/o Secy. to Hon'ble LG of Delhi
>> forwarding to you my complaint regarding corruption in Delhi Police in
>> matter of challaning a motor vehicle transporting.so-called Dy. Chief
>> Minister of Delhi
>
>>
>
>
>> I would be obliged to receive your prompt acknowledgement of my complaint
>> clearly indicating the time to resolution of the same.
>
>>
>
>
>> NB: I am further aggrieved that the expensively advertised helpline 1064
>> of Delhi Police failed to register my complaint against Delhi Police.
>
>>
>
>
>> sincerely
>
>>
>
>
>> Sarbajit Roy
>
>> B-59 Defence Colony
>
>> New Delhi 110024
>
>>
>
>
>> Tel ; 08010205897
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: LISTENING POST <lggc.delhi@nic.in>
>> Date: Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:22 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM
>> GoNCTD
>> To: Delhi Police <cp.bsbassi@nic.in>
>> Cc: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: S C L DAS <seclg@nic.in>
>> Date: Jun 22, 2015 2:17:22 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM
>> GoNCTD
>> To: lggc.delhi@nic.in
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:53 pm
>> Subject: Complaint of Delhi Police's corruption in matter of Dy.CM GoNCTD
>> To: seclg <seclg@nic.in>, cp.bsbassi@nic.in,
>> indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>
>> > To:
>> > The Hon'ble LG of Delhi
>> > through Secretary to LG
>> >
>> > cc: Commissioner of Delhi Police
>> > cc: Members of India Against Corruption jan andolan
>> >
>> > BY EMAIL
>> >
>> > Your Excellency
>> >
>> > I am caused to complain that the Delhi Police Traffic Unit
>> > (North East
>> > District) represented by its ACP was corruptly induced to let off
>> > against token challan the vehicle of Mr. Manish Sisodia, who
>> > represents himself in media to be Deputy Chief Minister of Delhi,
>> > after it was caught after a lengthy high speed chase to avoid arrest
>> > on or around June 12 2015 - as reported in national media.
>> >
>> > Accordingly, and on behalf of India Against Corruption people's
>> > movement, I complain as follows:-
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the expensive advanced
>> > interceptor vehicles, such as powerful motorcycles, of Delhi Police
>> > could not stop / catch up with the fleeing offender's vehicle,
>> > and the
>> > fleeing vehicle was fortunately stopped by members of the public at
>> > great personal risk near Wazirabad barrage, enabling the vehicle
>> > to be
>> > nabbed by Delhi Police.
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the vehicle of this
>> > fleeing offender was not searched and/or impounded by the local
>> > police.
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine why the driver /
>> > owner of
>> > this fleeing offender was not arrested and produced before the
>> > magistrate for commission of cognisable offence/s under Indian Penal
>> > Code. Furthermore, ought not the local police thana to have
>> > taken over
>> > the matter to prosecute the IPC offences ?
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if any police
>> > officer/s or
>> > personal security officer/s were present within the vehicle at the
>> > time of the offences, and why they did not report / stop the offences
>> > being committed in their presence.
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if any police officer/s
>> > instructed the challaning officer/s to let off the vehicle
>> > against a
>> > token compounding fee of Rs. 400 only for minor offence of speeding,
>> > or whether the challaning officer allowed himself to be charmed
>> > by the
>> > vehicle's occupant/s, its red light/beacon, its special registration
>> > number - and thereby corrupted for personal gain.
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if the offence of
>> > over-speeding accompanied by fleeing from the scene to avoid
>> > prosecution can be compounded at all only under Motor Vehicles
>> > Act in
>> > the facts and circumstances of the matter as widely reported.
>> >
>> > It deserves statutory inquiry to determine if the vehicle and/or its
>> > occupants were involved in commission of any other offence.
>> >
>> > It deserves a statutory inquiry to ascertain how the offence was
>> > compounded for Rs. 400 when the prescribed compounding fee of GoNCTD
>> > is Rs. 360 for this offence. It needs to be ascertained where the
>> > excess Rs. 40 has been paid / who has pocketed it.
>> >
>> > Kindly take cognisance of my complaint as narrated above and ensure
>> > that action under law is taken and also the corrupt officers involved
>> > are identified and charge-sheeted.
>> >
>> > NB: The Delhi Police anti-corruption help-line no. 1064 has today
>> > morning expressed its inability to record my complaint in such a high
>> > profile case.
>> >
>> > sincerely
>> >
>> > Er. Sarbajit Roy
>> > B-59 Defence Colony
>> > New Delhi 110024
>> >
>> > Tel : 08010205897 (Mob)
>> >
>> > Re: [IAC#RG] DELHI POLICEMAN WHO STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI
>> > DY. C M
>> >
>> > On 6/20/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > To>
>> > > India Against Corruption
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > * DELHI POLICEMAN
>> > WHO
>> > > STOPPED SPEEDING CAR OF DELHI DY. C M*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *It is extremely gratifying to know that a traffic policeman
>> > in Delhi had
>> > > the courage of conviction to stop the speeding car of Delhi
>> > Dy.C.M and he
>> > > issued a challan of Rs.400/- to the driver who had to pay the
>> > fine , while
>> > > the Dy.C.M. simply watched helplessly. Certainly, the act of
>> > this traffic
>> > > policeman need to be recognised and his act must be commended
>> > by every one
>> > > who decry VIP culture in the country. *
>> > >
>> > > *Many feel strongly about the arrogant behaviour of so
>> > called VVIP s (very
>> > > very irritating people) and VIPs (very irritating
>> > people) but do
>> > > nothing. They have a lesson or two to learn from this
>> > courageous Delhi
>> > > traffic policeman, who now looks like a role model for other
>> > crusaders.*>
>> > > *Why did the Delhi Dy.C.M allow his driver to drive beyond the
>> > permissible> speed limit ? Is he not aware of the rule or he
>> > thought that being a
>> > > Dy.C.M, he can violate all rules. Perhaps, he thought
>> > that no traffic
>> > > policeman would dare to stop his car. But, we have a traffic
>> > policeman who
>> > > had the courage to do so. *
>> > >
>> > > *Those politicians who talk about aam aadmi all the time but conduct
>> > > themselves as if they have come from heaven , should
>> > know that day is not
>> > > far off when real aam aadmi would assert himself towards the
>> > cause of
>> > > restoring probity in public life and responsible
>> > behaviour amongst those
>> > > in power.*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *N.S.Venkataraman*
>> > >
>> > > *Nandini Voice For The Deprived*
>> > >
>> > > *Email:- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > * nandinivoice.org <http://nandinivoice.org>*
>> > >
>>
>
>> Shri S C L DAS
>> Secretary to Lt. Governor,
>> Delhi.
>>
>>
>> --
>
>> ---
>
>> Regards
>> In-Charge LG's Listening Post >
>

Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

Sir

In so far as high cost of Doctors and Hospitals go, the cause is BIG
TICKET INSURANCE which is causing cost of what passes for quality
medical care to skyrocket to international levels.

Its a scandal that although our Govt Hospitals often have the best
doctors, the biggest KILLER in them is INFECTION which kills off
patients in the post-operative stages because at AIIMS and Safdarjang
2 patients must share a bed. Operation successful but patient died.

Sarbajit


On 7/11/15, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
> Things have been getting worst day by day since Independence because of
> corruption harnessed by th bureaucracy in league with politicians. There
> has hardly been any governance . No one respects the Parliament , the law
> making body because it is the bureaucracy which has assumed the role of
> governing the country.
>
> We need to change this so called steel frame which is now fully rusted to
> manage our country better.
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:52 PM, MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
>> Attention-Mr Prakash
>> Hospital like KDA /Leelawati /Hinduja -insist on CASH .Friend of mine
>> have
>> experienced at Leelawati-where eminent surgeon demanded his fees in CASH
>> -then only he was given discharge
>> He had come on business visit from China
>>
>> MRCI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 10 July 2015 9:37 AM, Vidyut <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you Dr. Muneesh Razda. The link is an eye opener indeed.
>>
>> More opinions backed by references please. Otherwise they don't mean much
>> unless they are ideas that can be implemented.
>>
>> Educate, inform, not just influence with opinions, accusations and
>> claims,
>> or we won't be all that different from those we object to for pulling
>> wool
>> over the eyes of citizens.
>>
>> Vidyut
>>
>> Vidyut
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Hemant Kshirsagar <
>> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really agree to your views.. The government should at least make it
>> mandatory for doctors to issue receipts as the doctors never provide
>> receipt s giving them chance to get black money.
>> Also further I am in opinion that doctor s should be audited for their
>> services by a stringent broad.
>> Hospitals are worst people where the doctors are paid on acquisitions
>> they
>> have made by prescription of unwanted procedure.
>> On Jul 3, 2015 7:41 AM, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>> FLEECING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS
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>> It is sad that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become
>> the den of corruption. Clinics & doctors insist on cash payment of fees
>> and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have
>> become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black
>> money and evade taxes.
>> Obviously, central government and income tax department know that almost
>> all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to
>> question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax
>> violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.
>> The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals
>> having poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and
>> private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower
>> income group face desperate conditions when they fall ill.
>> Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors
>> and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors
>> should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000 only by cheque and
>> they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50
>> Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing
>> hospitals. Clinics and doctors.
>> N.S.Venkatarman
>> Nandini Voice For The Deprived
>> nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
>> nandinivoice.com
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

Well said Dr Arora

Dr Ratnesh chaudhary
Patna

lalit bansal <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

True. This is big debate. 
My both,  the son and daughter worked hard studied fro the best medical institute of India and abroad. I am proud of them too. Now they are serving honestly in the best hospitals of the world, just because they sincerely and honestly worked hard. We the parents only helped and blessed them and they did well .I  feel it is the duty of parents too, they can make them understand that they chosen the path of sacrifice in human mankind.
I understand there must be some big fishes and they must  be caught and punished under prescribed law.   
lalit Bansal 



On Saturday, 11 July 2015 1:41 PM, "Prof Anil Arora, New Delhi" <anilarora@delhiorthojournal.com> wrote:


Well said Harpal.
The problem is that only DOCTORS are supposed to make sacrifices and give SELFELESS Services to the society.
It is not applicable to other professionals (like Lawyers, CA) who sometimes charge lakhs of rupees as their fee.
It is because we are emotionally exploited as we are handling human lives. But the society forgets that years and years of hard work, dedication and sacrifices to become a doctor.
It is totally a Government failure as the resources are far too meager for our population. Residents are overworked. Only doctors are supposed to serve Rural Folks, no body else !!!
Anil Arora
Delhi
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

What you have writen are real truth. Cribing does not help. One has to respect the hard work put in by doctors to get qualified . They are the best of brains and they deserve the best of remuneration which is not offered in salary by Govts - maj mathews
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

We can't go for a market driven economy in a country like India.Everything has to be welfare oriented.
Why can't the CGHS approved rate applicable for treatment of non income tax payees atleast..

Manas Ranjan Mahapatra



On Saturday, 11 July 2015 1:40 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:


11/7/15

Our discussions are mostly city-centric-whether it is medical or educational or legal( litigation} which covers only 30% of the population. We tend to forget the problems of vast majority of rural population.
Again when we speak of the Govt., we have in view the Central Govt. whose reach in rural India is very limited.
We rarely discuss the role of the State Govts or local Governing bodies.Many illnesses caused by water polution, environmental pollution and unhygenic living conditions are the responsibility of municipal bodies.  similarly the control of clinics and hospitals
should be the responsibility of the local bodies.
General physicians are professionals like lawyers, architects,Chartered Accountants and uniformity of charges, therefore cannot be enforced. 
Star hospitals and clinics are corporate bodies and they are to run on profit.
So also various medical colleges run by the politicians are to make money and enjoy protection.
Regds JKGaur   


Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:34:05 +0530
From: hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

I really agree to your views.. The government should at least make it mandatory for doctors to issue receipts as the doctors never provide receipt s giving them chance to get black money.
Also further I am in opinion that doctor s should be audited for their services by a stringent broad.
Hospitals are worst people where the doctors are paid on acquisitions they have made by prescription of unwanted procedure.
On Jul 3, 2015 7:41 AM, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
                                             
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India Against Corruption
                                                                                                      FLEECING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS
 
It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.
Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.
 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.
Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50
Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors

True. This is big debate. 
My both,  the son and daughter worked hard studied fro the best medical institute of India and abroad. I am proud of them too. Now they are serving honestly in the best hospitals of the world, just because they sincerely and honestly worked hard. We the parents only helped and blessed them and they did well .I  feel it is the duty of parents too, they can make them understand that they chosen the path of sacrifice in human mankind.
I understand there must be some big fishes and they must  be caught and punished under prescribed law.   
lalit Bansal 



On Saturday, 11 July 2015 1:41 PM, "Prof Anil Arora, New Delhi" <anilarora@delhiorthojournal.com> wrote:


Well said Harpal.
The problem is that only DOCTORS are supposed to make sacrifices and give SELFELESS Services to the society.
It is not applicable to other professionals (like Lawyers, CA) who sometimes charge lakhs of rupees as their fee.
It is because we are emotionally exploited as we are handling human lives. But the society forgets that years and years of hard work, dedication and sacrifices to become a doctor.
It is totally a Government failure as the resources are far too meager for our population. Residents are overworked. Only doctors are supposed to serve Rural Folks, no body else !!!
Anil Arora
Delhi
 
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fleecing Hospitals and doctors
 
The problem with profit is based on government policies. Why are corporate companies allowed to open and operate hospitals or healthcare??
 
These are for profit companies and for them hospital is another enterprise!!!
 
Why government cannot create enough well paying jobs with good working condition and professional satisfaction so that doctors do not have to look for jobs elsewhere???
 
Our government is for the corporate, by the corporate and to the corporate
 
Regard
 
Harpal

Dr Harpal Singh Selhi
Professor
Department of Orthopedic Surgery,
DMC & Hospital, Ludhiana.

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Ludhiana-141002
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+91-9815022527
 
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Dr D K Bhandari <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Today there is lot of hue & cry regarding doctors minting money. The actual problem is that the medical treatment has become costly not because of doctors but because of the govt. Policies.
Why there is no proper drug pricing. Today a doctor earns less then a chemist on his prescription & that too without any strings attached  like reaction , no response , responsibility etc. odd hour consultation ,free consultation &charity. But nothing about lawyers, cA architects politicians .

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On 07-Jul-2015, at 07:52, Dr Harpal Singh Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
What about Chartered Accountants, Lawyers, Architects and other professionals.
 
 


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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Madhu Bhatia <bhatiamadhu@gmail.com> wrote:
WHY ARE THEY PAID IN LAKHS?
THEY NEED TO HAVE A STIPULATED LOWER FEE STRUCTURE
 
WHY R THEY SPECIAL. 
 
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM, New Link Road Residents Forum <newlinkroad@gmail.com> wrote:
The point raised has some validity but the solutions would be:
Insist on numbered receipt for all payments.
Pay by credit card/debit card.
 
Most hospitals do not accept cheques because of numerous instances of cheques bouncing.
 
Regards,
Dr. Mathew
Ashok Hospital
 

 
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
                                             
To
 
India Against Corruption
                                                                                                      FLEECING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS
 
It is sad  that many private hospitals , clinics and doctors have become the den of corruption.  Clinics & doctors  insist on cash payment of fees and do not give receipts. They have no norms in charging fees and have become an exploitative class. Almost all of them accumulate huge black money and evade taxes.
Obviously, central government and income tax department know that  almost all doctors do not pay taxes properly but governments do not care to question them. Hospitals , clinics and doctors very rarely receive tax violation notice and they are rarely raided by income tax department.
 The poor people are the worst sufferers. With most government hospitals having  poor standards and many government doctors are indifferent and private hospitals and doctors fleecing the patients, people from lower income group face desperate conditions when  they fall ill.
Government has the responsibility to discipline the hospitals and doctors and insist on norms for demanding fees. Hospitals, clinics and doctors should be directed to accept fees beyond Rs. 1000  only by cheque and they should give receipt for any fees received above Rs. 50
Time has come for people to protest effectively against the fleecing hospitals. Clinics and doctors.
N.S.Venkatarman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
 
 
 


 
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