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Saturday, January 2, 2016

[IAC#RG] To National Convenor "AAM AADMI PARTY"

Attn: National Convenor "AAM AADMI PARTY"

Dear Arvind

Best wishes for 2016 and removing all forms of corruption and pollutants in Delhi .

I am concerned that cyber volunteers of your party are still archiving video material relating to 2010-2011 period to youtube.com, a US website apparently owned by Google Inc. in AAP's present official youtube.com account.

I came to know of this when somebody, possibly linked to expelled members of AAP (who are now in Swaraj Abhiyan), referenced this material on Wikipedia's article on "India Against Corruption" yesterday.

Since you were busy with great affairs of State like #OddEvenScheme, I was therefore inclined to take up the matter with AAP's Lokpal, but I was very disappointed to see that the AAP Lokpal is now only a single member panel consisting of some unknown "Dr. SP Verma (Educationist)".

After a quick google search I came up with only 2 possibilities

Dr SP Verma
Now Ex.Director ISTD(Indian Soc. for Training & Development),
https://in.linkedin.com/in/dr-s-p-verma-10907b1b

(It seems he was until recently, and for many years, HR head of your father's former employers Jindal Steel Ltd., who had kindly provided / loaned the thousands of Indian tricolor flags used during those Jan Lokpal campaign days - among other things).

and

Dr SP Verma
CEO - Power & Energy Division at Kandla Energy and Chemicals Ltd., Mumbai
https://in.linkedin.com/in/dr-s-p-verma-b3777413

(Who aspires to take up a challenging assignment: as 'Vice Chancellor' of a Private University; or, 'Director' of a Management Institute .. possessing over 30 other PG degrees, diplomas & certificates in various streams in engg., tech., mgt. & admin. etc.)

To my mind, neither of these persons deserves to be AAP's Lopkal (but that is your internal matter)

We would like the uploaded video material to be removed / deleted immediately from Youtube as IAC does not wish to be associated with the various lies and deceitful promises contained in these video clips featuring you and others, or to be associated with demand/s for Lokpal/s (who we view as the potential epicentres of massive corruption- and which BTW you had also indicated was the case in one the videos below)

Else, to sort out the public's confusion, would you kindly ensure that AAP Lokpal's CV is published on your website, under RTI Act 2005 or otherwise.

Regards
Sarbajit

Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Dear Mr. Gaur

The IAC is not interested, at the present time, in direct action of the nature you suggest.

The circumstances of 2011-12 cannot be replicated today. Those who are trying are deluding themselves.

There are periodic waves, with ebbs and crests, IAC (and its parent HRA) knows very well how to read the affairs of men. which taken at the flood leads on to fortune

IAC also recalls the words of Sun-Tzu

"KNOW YOURSELF, KNOW YOUR ENEMY
A HUNDRED BATTLES, A HUNDRED VICTORIES"

PS: This quotation if I recall it was, aptly, on the front page of the Henderson-Brooks Bhagat report on the 1962 debacle, and it is very curious that our (now exposed as puppet) PM is carrying on the Congress traditions and keeping this report "secret".

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

Go on strike against such demands should be the mantra.
If 44 MP's from congress can demostrate outside parliament and prevent its functioning, what prevents I.a.c from repeating huge demonstration as it did in 2012 when parliament convenes in Feb. For budget session.
We have already missed an opportunity when kejriwal increased salary.perks and entitlements to his flock.

On 1 Jan 2016 16:49, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Seven reasons why Modi should stop salary hikes for MPs

Large scale public dissatisfaction

The behaviour of MPs inside Parliament resulting in repeated disruption of proceedings have lowered the image of MPs amongst the people. Considering the poor standards maintained by them in the Parliament, people think they do not deserve any hike in salary and perks. Such public perception can be readily seen in social media and in several national surveys in recent times. Modi government should necessarily understand the public mood and avoid taking unpopular decision to hike the income of MPs. If Modi govt. would permit such hike, people's unhappiness would become as much with Modi govt as with MPs.

Friday, January 1, 2016

RE: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

That is right we are practicing lame duck democracy destitute in nation building values. A nation state is a product of citizenry conscious of its duties more than rights ! WHERE NATIONAL SERVICE is an essential component . So also education without which democracy is tantamount to counterfeit activity. MPs and ministers are not even matriculate and proud of it . Education must become a criteria too. Glad such issues are being discussed but to what avail when concrete steps are not being suggested how to implement this .

chauhan

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One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Well said. A soldier (or sailor or airman) is ON DUTY 24 hours day,

no overtime. Absence from place of duty attracts severe punishment,

including death.

People should get their facts(?) right before publishing them.

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Working Hours for a Soldier is 24 x 7 pls.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Mr. Venkatraman,

Then why increase the salaries of bureaucrats, who are among the most corrupt class of people in India.

You can not speak against bureaucrats because then you can't get anything done in the government departments.

But you know that no harm will occur to you if you speak against the politicians.

The freedom of expression that we are enjoying today, is because of democracy with political parties controlling the governments in the state and at the centre. The day democracy is replaced by the rule of bureaucracy only, you will see the repeat of what happened to us during black days of emergency in our country.

Our basic rights were taken away and we were all at the mercy of corrupt babus and police officials, with no alternate place to go to seek solution of our problems.

If a bureaucrat or a policewala commits any highhandedness against a common, it is the political class that comes to his/her defence. You launch a political agitation and build pressure to get justice.

But under Army rule or totally bureaucratic rule, you lose your rights and become virtual slave of the ruling class.

Regards,

Thanks & regards,

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Seven reasons why Modi should stop salary hikes for MPs

Large scale public dissatisfaction

The behaviour of MPs inside Parliament resulting in repeated disruption of proceedings have lowered the image of MPs amongst the people. Considering the poor standards maintained by them in the Parliament, people think they do not deserve any hike in salary and perks. Such public perception can be readily seen in social media and in several national surveys in recent times. Modi government should necessarily understand the public mood and avoid taking unpopular decision to hike the income of MPs. If Modi govt. would permit such hike, people's unhappiness would become as much with Modi govt as with MPs.
MPs are not salaried class

MPs enter Parliament with the avowed objective of serving society. While MPs do need sort of remuneration and other benefits to enable them to discharge their duties, it is ridiculous to hike the salary for MPs at regular intervals just like raising the salary for wage earners in commercial establishments. MPs are deemed to be a class different from that of employees and the remuneration provided to them must necessarily take into consideration the fact that 30% of national population still live below poverty line, not knowing where their next meal would come from. MPs should not forget the fact that they have a primary responsibility to alleviate the problems of poor people and keep their sentiments in view in all their actions.
What basis salary hike ?

Apart from the fact that considering the performance of MPs they may not deserve remuneration hike, it is not clear about the basis for frequent increase in remuneration and perks. Normally, salary hike is given to the employees by any organisation based on fund availability, profitability, performance criteria and inflationary trends. There is no yardstick to measure MPs performance while frequently providing them higher remuneration and perks. Instead of evaluation by independent body, MPs just vote themselves increased income, which is an unjustifiable practice.
Rewards and no punishments

It is well known that several of MPs face murder, corruption and other criminal charges. Many of them have declared wealth which run into several crores of rupees. They are known to spend several crores of rupees for their election campaign and also pay to their party for getting nomination. Obviously, most of the MPs are not impoverished lot unlike the politicians of yester years such as Gulzarilal Nanda, Kamaraj and Lal Bahadur Shastri. Many MPs just sign and go away everyday and MPs like Tendulkar and Rekha rarely attend Parliament. Why reward them instead of punishing them for their behaviour ?
Setting bad example to the countrymen

When the government employees demand more wages, go on strike in favour of such demands, the government often pleads its lack of resources. Govt also tells such govt employees that govt funds are needed for development projects to provide relief to the poor and downtrodden and promote economic and social development. When in such circumstances, MPs frequently raise their remuneration and govt is a party to this, the govt loses the credibility to insist that its employees should be concerned about the overall economy of the country while demanding wage rise, particularly when such stipulations are not thought about when revising the remuneration to MPs.
Put restrictions on business activities of MPs

Several MPs are known to be involved in profit oriented business enterprises in direct or indirect way. If income hike has to be provided to MPs, then relate them to their other sources of income so that the govt does not spend people's money to pay the MPs who can do as well without such income. Certainly, many of these people would like to continue to remain as MPs even if they would not be paid at all, since they have several ingenious ways of making money.
Let not Modi ignore public mood

The recent decision to stop subsidy in Parliament canteen has received huge welcome in the country. While this would not be big expense for the govt., still this decision reflects the sentiments of what people think. If Modi govt. would choose to ignore the public mood and agree to hike the salary and perks for MPs, it would be squarely blamed for taking this unpopular decision and will pay a price.

N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice for the Deprived
nandinivoice.com

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:22 AM, B.D. Vakharia <prof.vakharia@gmail.com> wrote:
One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
these politician must give up all the facilities.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

I fully agree with you. Like directors of a company they may be paid sitting fees but there should be no question of paying salary and pension or other perks. Moreover are the MPs of other countries paid any salaries?

V, S, Sardesai

On Friday, 1 January 2016 4:48 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Seven reasons why Modi should stop salary hikes for MPs

Large scale public dissatisfaction

The behaviour of MPs inside Parliament resulting in repeated disruption of proceedings have lowered the image of MPs amongst the people. Considering the poor standards maintained by them in the Parliament, people think they do not deserve any hike in salary and perks. Such public perception can be readily seen in social media and in several national surveys in recent times. Modi government should necessarily understand the public mood and avoid taking unpopular decision to hike the income of MPs. If Modi govt. would permit such hike, people's unhappiness would become as much with Modi govt as with MPs.

MPs are not salaried class

MPs enter Parliament with the avowed objective of serving society. While MPs do need sort of remuneration and other benefits to enable them to discharge their duties, it is ridiculous to hike the salary for MPs at regular intervals just like raising the salary for wage earners in commercial establishments. MPs are deemed to be a class different from that of employees and the remuneration provided to them must necessarily take into consideration the fact that 30% of national population still live below poverty line, not knowing where their next meal would come from. MPs should not forget the fact that they have a primary responsibility to alleviate the problems of poor people and keep their sentiments in view in all their actions.

What basis salary hike ?

Apart from the fact that considering the performance of MPs they may not deserve remuneration hike, it is not clear about the basis for frequent increase in remuneration and perks. Normally, salary hike is given to the employees by any organisation based on fund availability, profitability, performance criteria and inflationary trends. There is no yardstick to measure MPs performance while frequently providing them higher remuneration and perks. Instead of evaluation by independent body, MPs just vote themselves increased income, which is an unjustifiable practice.

Rewards and no punishments

It is well known that several of MPs face murder, corruption and other criminal charges. Many of them have declared wealth which run into several crores of rupees. They are known to spend several crores of rupees for their election campaign and also pay to their party for getting nomination. Obviously, most of the MPs are not impoverished lot unlike the politicians of yester years such as Gulzarilal Nanda, Kamaraj and Lal Bahadur Shastri. Many MPs just sign and go away everyday and MPs like Tendulkar and Rekha rarely attend Parliament. Why reward them instead of punishing them for their behaviour ?

Setting bad example to the countrymen

When the government employees demand more wages, go on strike in favour of such demands, the government often pleads its lack of resources. Govt also tells such govt employees that govt funds are needed for development projects to provide relief to the poor and downtrodden and promote economic and social development. When in such circumstances, MPs frequently raise their remuneration and govt is a party to this, the govt loses the credibility to insist that its employees should be concerned about the overall economy of the country while demanding wage rise, particularly when such stipulations are not thought about when revising the remuneration to MPs.

Put restrictions on business activities of MPs

Several MPs are known to be involved in profit oriented business enterprises in direct or indirect way. If income hike has to be provided to MPs, then relate them to their other sources of income so that the govt does not spend people's money to pay the MPs who can do as well without such income. Certainly, many of these people would like to continue to remain as MPs even if they would not be paid at all, since they have several ingenious ways of making money.

Let not Modi ignore public mood

The recent decision to stop subsidy in Parliament canteen has received huge welcome in the country. While this would not be big expense for the govt., still this decision reflects the sentiments of what people think. If Modi govt. would choose to ignore the public mood and agree to hike the salary and perks for MPs, it would be squarely blamed for taking this unpopular decision and will pay a price.

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice for the Deprived

nandinivoice.com

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:22 AM, B.D. Vakharia <prof.vakharia@gmail.com> wrote:

One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
these politician must give up all the facilities.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Go on strike against such demands should be the mantra.
If 44 MP's from congress can demostrate outside parliament and prevent its functioning, what prevents I.a.c from repeating huge demonstration as it did in 2012 when parliament convenes in Feb. For budget session.
We have already missed an opportunity when kejriwal increased salary.perks and entitlements to his flock.

On 1 Jan 2016 16:49, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Seven reasons why Modi should stop salary hikes for MPs

Large scale public dissatisfaction

MPs are not salaried class

What basis salary hike ?

Rewards and no punishments

Setting bad example to the countrymen

Put restrictions on business activities of MPs

Let not Modi ignore public mood

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice for the Deprived

nandinivoice.com

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:22 AM, B.D. Vakharia <prof.vakharia@gmail.com> wrote:

One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

these politician must give up all the facilities.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Seven reasons why Modi should stop salary hikes for MPs

Large scale public dissatisfaction

MPs are not salaried class

What basis salary hike ?

Rewards and no punishments

Setting bad example to the countrymen

Put restrictions on business activities of MPs

Let not Modi ignore public mood

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice for the Deprived

nandinivoice.com

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:22 AM, B.D. Vakharia <prof.vakharia@gmail.com> wrote:

One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
these politician must give up all the facilities.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

Faujis have been made second class citizen by taking away their Rights as available to a Citizen of India.

Faujis are on duty 24x7 but are paid for 8x365 by equating with civilians and much less allowances perks then their so called equivalent babus.

In India Faujis being treated as Slaves.

enjoy 2016

On Thursday, 31 December 2015 11:36 PM, B.D. Vakharia <prof.vakharia@gmail.com> wrote:

One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

these politician must give up all the facilities.

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Re: [IAC#RG] MP versus Soldier

One suggetion here :-

To contest an election for M.P. etc. one must have military training for atleast 3 years.

Discipline will will come automatically.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, vijay harlalka <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

these politician must give up all the facilities.

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