Saturday, December 1, 2012

Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

as per hearsay stories from mumbai slums, many people from nepal and
bangladesh have got aadhar cards on the basis of recommendation
letters from politicians.

shiv kumar

On 2 December 2012 11:13, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dt.2/12/12
>
> Aadhar is a brainchild of the Prime Minister and is directly under him. He
> has roped in a specialist from private sector for issuing the cards.There
> are many instances where cards have been issued to wrong persons.
> It can also be used to favourillegal immigrants from Bangladesh in Assam,
> the home state of the Prime Minister as the criterion used isRegidency only.
> The shceme has not been discussed or law passed by Parliament.
> It is simply a scheme of Cash for Vote for the elctions.
> The PIL is therefore a welcome step.
> Gaur
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:13:23 +0530
> From: dcverma06@gmail.com
> To: rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
> CC: iac@lists.riseup.net; dineshgupta123@hotmail.com;
> dineshshah651@rediffmail.com; dineshdang@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too
> Late
>
> Justice K S Puttaswami,a former Judge of Karnataka High Court has filed a P
> I L before THE S C TO CHALLANGE THE VALIDITY OF the order to issue,direct
> transfer of cash to poor persons account on the sole basis of much hyped
> Aadhar Cards.As reported by Times of India the S C has agreed to to examine
> the matter.
> D C Verma
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
> in the year 1952, the issue of Ration Cards were stopped all over the
> country after the General Election held
> as assured by then Indian National Congress. It was announced by the
> Minister and not by the Prime Minster.
> In the year 1956 the Prime Minister had announced availabiltiy of of Wheat,
> Rice, Sugar, Soaps etc on Fair Price
> Shops at much lower rate as compere to market price being charged by the
> Business Community.
> In the year 1962 the introduction of Ration Card was introduced being term
> as identity proof of Residence in the State and
> to procure the Wheat, rice sugar edible oil under State Public Distribution
> Systam for all the people.It was also made applicable
> for Milk from Aarey at Mumbai and supply of Cooking Gas for Domestic
> purposes.The Gas Supplying Companies were not Nationalised
> There was no BPL Category, Poor Class or Middle Class or upper Class defined
> under any existing law or under the
> Constitution of India.
> Aadhar Card is not legal Document under our Constitution.It is illagal.
> Similarly the Ration card or Pass Port are not legal entity
> of Citizenship of India.
> It is just an eye Wash to collect Votes.
> The Election Commission is not empowered to issue AADHAR CARD, Ration Cards
> or :Pass ports ujnder Article 326 of the
> Constitution.
> We need to educate the poor and illiterate people of our counrty to remove
> Corruption.
>
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
> To: rajeshapandey@gmail.com
> Cc: iac@lists.riseup.net
> Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 6:04 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too
> Late
>
> Payment of cash subsidy apparently looks very laudable.How will it be
> implemented to the people for whom it is actually meant.Aadhar Cards are not
> issued to all who are
> those who are entitled to cash subsidy.Then to those Aadhar cards are
> issued,many don't have their bank account.Will it be possible to implement
> the Scheme with in the time schedule?
> D.C.Verma
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, <rajeshapandey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I partially agree with Purohit Ji.
>
> It may sound really absurd but if the economists do the mathematics right &
> make necessary dampeners in their calculations for Market Driving Forces
> that are currently guiding the policies, we as a country can arrive at the
> solution to Food Security & can do away with large portion of subsidies that
> are doled out today towards Food Security.
>
> We must put some thought behind this strategy for it to evolve in a workable
> model.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
>
> -----Original Message-----
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RE: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

Dt.2/12/12
 
Aadhar is a brainchild of the Prime Minister and is directly under him. He has roped in a specialist from private sector for issuing the cards.There are many instances where cards have been issued to wrong persons.
It can also be used to favourillegal immigrants from Bangladesh in Assam, the home state of the Prime Minister as the criterion used isRegidency only.
The shceme has not been discussed or law passed by Parliament.
It is simply a scheme of Cash for Vote for the elctions.
The PIL is therefore a welcome step.
Gaur
 
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:13:23 +0530
From: dcverma06@gmail.com
To: rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
CC: iac@lists.riseup.net; dineshgupta123@hotmail.com; dineshshah651@rediffmail.com; dineshdang@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

Justice K S Puttaswami,a former Judge of Karnataka High Court  has filed a P I L before  THE S C  TO CHALLANGE THE VALIDITY OF the order to issue,direct transfer of cash to poor persons account on the sole basis of  much hyped Aadhar Cards.As reported by Times of India the S C has agreed to to examine the matter.
D C Verma 

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
in the year 1952, the issue of Ration Cards were stopped all over the country after the General Election held
as assured by then Indian National Congress. It was announced by the Minister and not by the Prime Minster.
In the year 1956 the Prime Minister had announced availabiltiy of  of Wheat, Rice, Sugar, Soaps etc on Fair Price
Shops at much lower rate as compere to market price being charged by the Business Community.
In the year 1962 the introduction of Ration Card was introduced  being  term as identity proof of Residence in the State and 
to procure the Wheat, rice sugar edible oil under  State Public Distribution Systam for  all the people.It was also made applicable 
for Milk from Aarey at Mumbai and supply of Cooking Gas for Domestic purposes.The Gas Supplying Companies were not Nationalised
There was no BPL Category, Poor Class or Middle Class or upper Class defined under any existing law or under the
Constitution of India.
Aadhar Card is not legal Document under our Constitution.It is illagal. Similarly the Ration card or Pass Port are not legal entity
of Citizenship of India.
It is just an eye Wash to collect Votes.
The Election Commission is not empowered to issue AADHAR CARD, Ration Cards or :Pass ports ujnder Article 326 of the
Constitution.
We need to educate the poor  and illiterate people of our counrty to remove Corruption.

 
 

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
To: rajeshapandey@gmail.com
Cc: iac@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

Payment of cash subsidy apparently looks very laudable.How will it be implemented to the people for whom it is actually meant.Aadhar Cards are not issued to all who are
those who are entitled to cash subsidy.Then to those Aadhar cards are issued,many don't have their bank account.Will it be possible to implement the Scheme with in the time schedule?
D.C.Verma

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, <rajeshapandey@gmail.com> wrote:
I partially agree with Purohit Ji.

It may sound really absurd but if the economists do the mathematics right & make necessary dampeners in their calculations for Market Driving Forces that are currently guiding the policies, we as a country can arrive at the solution to Food Security & can do away with large portion of subsidies that are doled out today towards Food Security.

We must put some thought behind this strategy for it to evolve in a workable model.
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Dear Major Ravi

Instead of talking vaguely can we talk scientifically/intellectually.

Can you name me the specific MEASURABLE anti-corruption achievements
which Arvind can take absolute and exclusive credit for.

But before that

Can you tell me for how many years Arvind's wife was posted in Delhi/NCR ?

Can you tell me if it is true that she was leaking information to
Arvind which he used to get benefits from various persons under
investigation

Can you tell me why/how Arvind's wife managed to stay posted in Delhi
while "honest / upright officers" like Dr. Ashok Khemka etc get
routinely shunted around like shuttlecocks.

Is it also not true that Anil Ambani sponsored PCRF awards ?

Why don't you tell us who the real sponsor of AAP is, and why all the
targets of AAP/Arvind are only chosen to suit the business interests
of this person/parivaar ?

PS: Incidentally, Ms Shailaja Chandra was ex-Chief Secretary of
GoNCTD, and the information she used to award to genuine RTI
appellants was 10 times what say frauds like Shailesh Gandhi used to
award.

Sarbajit

On 12/1/12, Ravindran Major <majorravi@gmail.com> wrote:
> I totally disagree with Sarbjit Roy and his claim to IAC tag. As mentioned
> earlier IAC became a household name only through association with Team
> Anna. Sarabjit we know as the moderator of Humjanenge e-group.
>
> Next coming to Arvind's 'wild' allegations and his failure to get info
> sought and Sarabjit getting all the info sought itself does give clear
> indication of who does what and how.
>
> Even in this forum we can see how foul mouthed Sarabjit is and he is
> casting aspersions on Arvind for making allegations against a clerk of the
> IAS cadre. These clerks are supposed to be the backbone of the govt
> administration and we know how rotten it is. Even the failure of the RTI
> Act is a success in the way it has exposed the perfidy of these scamsters.
> I dare say that the best of the members of the IAS cadre are third rate
> clerks and the rest traitors!
>
> I had met Aravind for the 1st time in 2007 when NAPM organised a Jan Sansad
> at Jantar Mantar. The worst I could say of him was that he was a serious
> person always. Of course he has his own ideas and the courage of conviction
> to try and put them to test. His PCRF and RTI Awards are examples.
> Personally I was totally against his introducing an award for the best
> information commission but he thought it was necessary to recognise
> whatever good was being done by any information commissioner and he had to
> give that up after 2 years. But you can't blame him for that. It would
> certainly have been some learning experience for him. That's about all.
>
> Anyhow, to cut a long story short, Aravind is head over shoulders compared
> to most of us in this group. If each one us could do even 10 percent of
> what Arvind had been able to do then there could still be reason for hope.
>
> regards n bw
>
> ravi
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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

I totally disagree with Sarbjit Roy and his claim to IAC tag. As mentioned earlier IAC became a household name only through association with Team Anna. Sarabjit we know as the moderator of Humjanenge e-group.

Next coming to Arvind's 'wild' allegations and his failure to get info sought and Sarabjit getting all the info sought itself does give clear indication of who does what and how.

Even in this forum we can see how foul mouthed Sarabjit is and he is casting aspersions on Arvind for making allegations against a clerk of the IAS cadre. These clerks are supposed to be the backbone of the govt administration and we know how rotten it is. Even the failure of the RTI Act is a success in the way it has exposed the perfidy of these scamsters. I dare say that the best of the members of the IAS cadre are third rate clerks and the rest traitors!

I had met Aravind for the 1st time in 2007 when NAPM organised a Jan Sansad at Jantar Mantar. The worst I could say of him was that he was a serious person always. Of course he has his own ideas and the courage of conviction to try and put them to test. His PCRF and RTI Awards are examples. Personally I was totally against his introducing an award for the best information commission but he thought it was necessary to recognise whatever good was being done by any information commissioner and he had to give that up after 2 years. But you can't blame him for that. It would certainly have been some learning experience for him. That's about all. 

Anyhow, to cut a long story short, Aravind is head over shoulders compared to most of us in this group. If each one us could do even 10 percent of what Arvind had been able to do then there could still be reason for hope.

regards n bw

ravi





On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Reddy

I have known Arvind for quite some time, about 10 years when we both started using Delhi RTI Act. We first met outside Office of the Chairperson Delhi Public Grievance Commission who was the Appellate Authority for Delhi RTI Act.

Even in those days Arvind was a very confused and hyper person with a perpetual chip on his shoulder that the entire system was corrupt. He used to file all sorts of wild RTIs and never used to get information. He used to publicly abuse the Chairperson Ms. Shailaja Chandra IAS and make  wild allegations against her. He never got any information out of her because of his attitude. I on the other hand invariably used to get favourable orders from her and I went on to use the information obtained to great effect.

Arvind in those days was unemployed (or as we say 'vela') since he had fought with the Govt and was on leave. He formed a group known as "Delhi RTI Munch" of people who used to assemble outside Shailaja Chandra's office. Initially I was also in it, then they started dreaming up all sorts corruption fantasies involving her and many people left after bitter quarrels, and they got my friend Mr. Ravindra Balwani (he was a simple noble soul who obliged everybody) to level a complaint against her in the LokAyukta. The legal process being what it is, after levelling the accusations they refused to come forward with evidence, and finally after  4 years Ms. Chandra was exonerated after she went to High Court. This has always been Arvind';s modus operandi - level half baked allegations and then run away when it comes to giving evidence.

It is only because of Arvind's special relationship with people like Aruna Roy, Harsh Mander and Shekhar Singh that he could survive in Delhi in those early days. Whenever he was short of money, some foreign award like Ashoka or Magsaysay used to be conveniently arranged for him by these people. In those days Arvind even used to carry Aruna Roy's handbag and mobile when Nikhil Dey was not around.

These ringmasters also arranged that Arvind and his wife were always posted in Delhi/NCR region for 20(?) years to act as their peon. Later of course Arvind turned the table on some of them by setting up his own outfit and power base.

All these people, are professional touts who "sing for their supper" knowing very well that "he who pays the piper calls the tune". If you want to know more about this deeply entrenched anti-national NGO industry racket please read the very well researched book by Dr. Krishen Kak IAS which completely exposes them and their methods.

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?Itemid=109&id=843&option=com_content&task=view

There is more than enough material in public domain to show that all these people, Arvind, Anna, Kiran Bedi etc are all professional foreign financed trouble makers, wo are only concerned for themselves & their foreign paymasters and not for the public.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:33 AM, MVR Reddy <reddymvr@gmail.com> wrote:
As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort against Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all these people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP. But people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind Kesariwal. Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is really sad that  people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public this way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam associated people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have synergistic effect. 
Hope sense will prevail in these people.
Writing with anguish.
- MVR


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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Mr Kris
I am very happy to see person from Channai interacting on corruption,do you need to spend energy to take up issues of national policies? I request you to look at the street where you live & see where u can make difference .We are doing the same things in Punjab villages & trying to empower people with information to enable them to use this information while interacting with agencies where they  are forced to pay bribe.
Your feed back will be appreciated
Regards
P.P.S.DHILLON
IAC CO- ORDINATOR MOGA

From: Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Dear all,

I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and Rs 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The genuine currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from circulation and so on.

Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can be eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?

What do others in this forum think?

Kris Dev
Independent Anti-corruption Activist
Chennai

--
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On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Reddy

Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia as you are.

Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a political party - AAP.

Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts which Arvind and Manish have given about  funds collected in name of IAC

Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption "initiative" came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation" began corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram Lila grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great CRIMINAL LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will Dr. Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?

Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal series on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are honest and sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.

example
https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html

Mohd Ali Baig
Dist Coordinator IAC

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy  wrote:
As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort against Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all these people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP. But people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind Kesariwal. Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is really sad that  people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public this way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam associated people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have synergistic effect. 
Hope sense will prevail in these people.
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RE: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Dear all,

Can't we think out of the box. Can't we handle technological challenges?

If we are to gloat over our 5,000 years culture, why are so many people unethical and barbaric ? How come there is civic discipline in Singapore. MBD is the answer. We can talk of eliminating corruption. But unless we take concrete action on the ground nothing much will come out of it. We have seen corruption grow in geometric proportions over the last 67 years. Why we could not have initiated ethical living from day one of our democracy. I was invited by Mr. Nitish Kumar to Bihar to pave the way for anti corruption initiatives.

To answer Sarabjit, do you wish to further enhance corruption levels by printing rs 5000 and rs 10000 currency notes. We will truly become a banana republic.

To correct him, I wish to clarify, I've nothing to sell nor any vested interest. I'm just an Evangelist for good governance. I've been around the globe on business and know what I'm saying is in the common man's interest. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's up to each one to agree or disagree or ignore.

Best,

Kris Dev.

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From: rb purohit
Sent: 01/12/2012 11:44:49 am
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Good Advice in absence of total financial Inclusion and Rising out of
proportion Inflation. How about elimination of all currency Notes coins
below Re 10. COINS FOR 10 50, 100 AND 1000.
On 01-Dec-2012 11:34 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> @KrisDev
> 1) Many people prefer to keep their assets in tangible form
> 2) E-currency is not implemented anywhere in the world.
> 3) Bio-metrics ? first amend the Constitution
> 4) With inflation being what is is we need a 10,000 rupee note and fast.
> 5) Do you know how many hundreds of complaints are logged daily
> about securities frauds in Demat accounts?
> 6) You have a typical babu attitude that a techno solution will make
> all problems go away. Sorry, you have a vested interest in promoting
> this technology.
> 7) Think like a hacker.
> 8) Is it a crime to possess a 1,000 rupee note ?
> 9) Have you thought through the Constitutional implications of being
> a "socialist" state with what you propose.
> 10) Is it a crime to be "rich" ?
> 11) Do you trust all your money with US corporations like VISA and
> MASTERCARD
> and with the Indian FinNet yet to be fully tested ?
> 12) Have you ever thought how it would be to be the victim of a cyber
> crime and find all traces of your savings evaporated into cyber space
> with no trace.
>
> Sarbajit
> .
> On 12/1/12, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sounds brilliant, but how "hack-proof" is the tech? Till we can vouch
> > for its being solid - you are replacing NATIONAL CURRENCY with it, I
> > don't support. ATMs get spammed, there are vulnerabilities exposed in
> > online bank transfers. There exist criminals who make careers hacking
> > things like this (and most of the best ones are outside the country,
> > including hotspot China - with whom we have differences of opinion and
> > they have state sponsored hacking). This may mean to people's life's
> > earnings being vulnerable to vanishing.
> >
> > Additionally, security measures may result in horrendous losses of
> privacy.
> >
> > The idea itself has merit, without doubt, but the application will be
> > fraught with challenge, and till we can say with reasonable certainty
> > that such a system can be secured and can be free from corruption
> > (Ambani can afford to pay hackers if need be, for example), we will
> > not be doing a responsible thing.
> >
> > My view.
> >
> > Vidyut
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate
> >> banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and
> Rs
> >> 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The
> >> genuine
> >> currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account
> >> updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from
> >> circulation and so on.
> >>
> >> Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of
> >> transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can
> be
> >> eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption
> >> advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?
> >>
> >> What do others in this forum think?
> >>
> >> Kris Dev
> >> Independent Anti-corruption Activist
> >> Chennai
> >>
> >> --
> >> "He/she should not do that which he/she knows to be wrong, and suffer
> the
> >> consequence whatever it may be, this is the key to the use of
> >> soul-force."
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Reddy
> >>>
> >>> Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and
> >>> Manish Sisodia as you are.
> >>>
> >>> Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a
> political
> >>> party - AAP.
> >>>
> >>> Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts
> which
> >>> Arvind and Manish have given about funds collected in name of IAC
> >>>
> >>> Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption
> >>> "initiative"
> >>> came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation"
> >>> began
> >>> corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram
> >>> Lila
> >>> grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great
> >>> CRIMINAL
> >>> LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will
> Dr.
> >>> Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?
> >>>
> >>> Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal
> >>> series
> >>> on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are
> honest
> >>> and
> >>> sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.
> >>>
> >>> example
> >>> https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html
> >>>
> >>> Mohd Ali Baig
> >>> Dist Coordinator IAC
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort
> >>>> against
> >>>> Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all
> >>>> these
> >>>> people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
> >>>> Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/
> >>>> Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of
> AAP.
> >>>> But
> >>>> people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind
> >>>> Kesariwal.
> >>>> Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is
> >>>> really
> >>>> sad that people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and
> yesterday
> >>>> by
> >>>> Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public
> >>>> this
> >>>> way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam
> >>>> associated
> >>>> people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild
> >>>> allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to
> have
> >>>> synergistic effect.
> >>>> Hope sense will prevail in these people.
> >>>> Writing with anguish.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
> >>> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >>> Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net
> >>> Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/
> >>>
> >>
> >> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
> >> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net
> >> Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vidyut Kale
> > 9869060575
> > aamjanata.com
> >
>
> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
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>
>
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[HumJanenge] Court case of DPS vs CIC and othrs

Dear Members

Need your guidance and support on below matter.

In one of my case of RTI,  CIC declared DPS Rohini as Public Authority last year . 

Later on this decision was stayed by  Honble Justice Rajeev Sahai Endlaw. Seeing the importance of case, the court has made Delhi Abhivavak sangh, Directorate of Education and Federations of Private school of Delhi as party to the case. This case still pending at high court with next date of hearing on 14th April . 

As per last input received from some known sources, following were the update of the case

1. All parties except CIC and Delhi abhivavak sangh are in favor of keeping Private schools out of RTI preview.

2. Some one dropped the hint that shri Honble Justice Rajeev Sahai Endlaw was alumni of DPS and he should have rescue himself from the case while staying the judgement then. 

DPS society is known for its high connections and influencing the data etc and that is the main reason Directorate of Education is not in favor of bringing any private school under RTI. 

Currently this matter sub judice. Unfortunately i could not attend any of the hearing and seems i have already been made ex parte to the case.

Please advise if some one is interested in representing this case on my behalf and take this social cause forward. I have complete data in terms of various judgement of other high courts in similar cases, data related to DPS etc which would be very useful in fighting the case and ensuring CIC judgement is not setaside.

regards
Mohit Goel 


Times of India :: 24 September 2011
CIC's RTI order on pvt schools stayed
Abhinav Garg, TNN | Sep 24, 2011
NEW DELHI: Delhi high court on Friday decided to examine if the private unaided schools in the capital fall under the RTI Act and can be termed a "public authority".
Justice Rajiv Sahai Endlaw admitted a petition filed by one of the Delhi Public Schools challenging a Central Information Commission ruling that such schools are "public authority" as defined by the RTI Act and stayed the CIC order.
HC also made 'Delhi Abhibhavak Mahasangh' - an association of parents - a party to the case and asked all stakeholders , including the education directorate, to respond to the petition filed by DPS Rohini through its Principal Rita Sen.
Appearing for the school, advocate Punit Mittal argued the school is neither directly nor indirectly funded by the government. He also opposed CIC's conclusion that land was allotted to the school in 1997 at a concessional rate and said the CIC ruling is bad in law. After taking into account the arguments , HC has now posted the case for December.
Earlier this year, the CIC had declared DPS comes under the ambit of RTI Act as it received substantial funding from the government in the form of subsidized land. The transparency panel said Delhi Public School, Rohini, is a public authority within the ambit of the RTI Act as it is controlled by different agencies under the Delhiadministration like DDA and Directorate of Education.
The case relates to an RTI applicant Mohit Goel who sought information from DPS, Rohini, on admission procedures and admissions made under the policy framework specified by the Department of Education for 2010-11 for preschool.
The school refused to give any information saying the RTI Act is not applicable on it as it is a private unaided organization and also cited clause of exemption of personal and private information. Before the Commission, Goel challenged the reasons put forth by the school saying over 10,000sqm of land has been allotted to the school by DDA at a nominal rent of Rs 10 per annum. 
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Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

Justice K S Puttaswami,a former Judge of Karnataka High Court  has filed a P I L before  THE S C  TO CHALLANGE THE VALIDITY OF the order to issue,direct transfer of cash to poor persons account on the sole basis of  much hyped Aadhar Cards.As reported by Times of India the S C has agreed to to examine the matter.
D C Verma 

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
in the year 1952, the issue of Ration Cards were stopped all over the country after the General Election held
as assured by then Indian National Congress. It was announced by the Minister and not by the Prime Minster.
In the year 1956 the Prime Minister had announced availabiltiy of  of Wheat, Rice, Sugar, Soaps etc on Fair Price
Shops at much lower rate as compere to market price being charged by the Business Community.
In the year 1962 the introduction of Ration Card was introduced  being  term as identity proof of Residence in the State and 
to procure the Wheat, rice sugar edible oil under  State Public Distribution Systam for  all the people.It was also made applicable 
for Milk from Aarey at Mumbai and supply of Cooking Gas for Domestic purposes.The Gas Supplying Companies were not Nationalised
There was no BPL Category, Poor Class or Middle Class or upper Class defined under any existing law or under the
Constitution of India.
Aadhar Card is not legal Document under our Constitution.It is illagal. Similarly the Ration card or Pass Port are not legal entity
of Citizenship of India.
It is just an eye Wash to collect Votes.
The Election Commission is not empowered to issue AADHAR CARD, Ration Cards or :Pass ports ujnder Article 326 of the
Constitution.
We need to educate the poor  and illiterate people of our counrty to remove Corruption.

 
 

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
To: rajeshapandey@gmail.com
Cc: iac@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC++] Cash Subsidy Scheme through Aadhar - Too Little Too Late

Payment of cash subsidy apparently looks very laudable.How will it be implemented to the people for whom it is actually meant.Aadhar Cards are not issued to all who are
those who are entitled to cash subsidy.Then to those Aadhar cards are issued,many don't have their bank account.Will it be possible to implement the Scheme with in the time schedule?
D.C.Verma

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM, <rajeshapandey@gmail.com> wrote:
I partially agree with Purohit Ji.

It may sound really absurd but if the economists do the mathematics right & make necessary dampeners in their calculations for Market Driving Forces that are currently guiding the policies, we as a country can arrive at the solution to Food Security & can do away with large portion of subsidies that are doled out today towards Food Security.

We must put some thought behind this strategy for it to evolve in a workable model.
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

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RE: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

01/12/12
Sir, in other words you are advocating plastic currency in place of paper currency. I wonder if you are in India or abroad as you do not seem to aware of ground reality.
Today if you go to buy some grocery and vegetable you need a thousand rupee. If unfortunately any one in the family falls sick and has to be taken to a hospital, you need lakhs as deposit. You will pay all this by smart card ?.  What about the extra charges for smart/credit cards? Today the whole world is in the grip of politicians,multinationals and financial institutions.
Likewise when the political parties dont want electroral reforms, how will you eliminate corruption in elections. The politcal parties are not even filing returns of income with tax authorities.
 
Todaythe value of1000 rupees is only USD.18.00 and the US has currency notes of 20,50 and 100 and they keep on printing more and more.
 
So in my opinion banning of currency notes in not the solution but identify the end use of the and plug those holes like construction industry,land and property transactions, elecions etc.
 
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 10:28:05 +0530
From: krisdev@gmail.com
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
CC: raaz.baig@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Dear all,

I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and Rs 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The genuine currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from circulation and so on.

Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can be eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?

What do others in this forum think?

Kris Dev
Independent Anti-corruption Activist
Chennai

--
"He/she should not do that which he/she knows to be wrong, and suffer the consequence whatever it may be, this is the key to the use of soul-force."


On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Reddy

Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia as you are.

Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a political party - AAP.

Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts which Arvind and Manish have given about  funds collected in name of IAC

Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption "initiative" came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation" began corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram Lila grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great CRIMINAL LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will Dr. Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?

Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal series on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are honest and sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.

example
https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html

Mohd Ali Baig
Dist Coordinator IAC

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy  wrote:
As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort against Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all these people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP. But people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind Kesariwal. Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is really sad that  people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public this way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam associated people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have synergistic effect. 
Hope sense will prevail in these people.
Writing with anguish.


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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Good Advice in absence of total financial Inclusion and Rising out of proportion Inflation. How about elimination of all currency Notes coins below Re 10. COINS FOR 10 50, 100 AND 1000.

On 01-Dec-2012 11:34 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
@KrisDev
1) Many people prefer to keep their assets in tangible form
2) E-currency is not implemented anywhere in the world.
3) Bio-metrics ? first amend the Constitution
4) With inflation being what is is we need a 10,000 rupee note and fast.
5) Do you know how many hundreds of complaints are logged daily
about securities frauds in Demat accounts?
6) You have a typical babu attitude that a techno solution will make
all problems go away. Sorry, you have a vested interest in promoting
this technology.
7) Think like a hacker.
8) Is it a crime to possess a 1,000 rupee note ?
9) Have you thought through the Constitutional implications of being
a "socialist" state with what you propose.
10) Is it a crime to be "rich" ?
11) Do you trust all your money with US corporations like VISA and MASTERCARD
and with the Indian FinNet yet to be fully tested ?
12) Have you ever thought how it would be to be the victim of a cyber
crime and find all traces of your savings evaporated into cyber space
with no trace.

Sarbajit
.
On 12/1/12, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds brilliant, but how "hack-proof" is the tech? Till we can vouch
> for its being solid - you are replacing NATIONAL CURRENCY with it, I
> don't support. ATMs get spammed, there are vulnerabilities exposed in
> online bank transfers. There exist criminals who make careers hacking
> things like this (and most of the best ones are outside the country,
> including hotspot China - with whom we have differences of opinion and
> they have state sponsored hacking). This may mean to people's life's
> earnings being vulnerable to vanishing.
>
> Additionally, security measures may result in horrendous losses of privacy.
>
> The idea itself has merit, without doubt, but the application will be
> fraught with challenge, and till we can say with reasonable certainty
> that such a system can be secured and can be free from corruption
> (Ambani can afford to pay hackers if need be, for example), we will
> not be doing a responsible thing.
>
> My view.
>
> Vidyut
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate
>> banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and Rs
>> 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The
>> genuine
>> currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account
>> updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from
>> circulation and so on.
>>
>> Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of
>> transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can be
>> eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption
>> advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?
>>
>> What do others in this forum think?
>>
>> Kris Dev
>> Independent Anti-corruption Activist
>> Chennai
>>
>> --
>> "He/she should not do that which he/she knows to be wrong, and suffer the
>> consequence whatever it may be, this is the key to the use of
>> soul-force."
>>
>>
>> On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Reddy
>>>
>>> Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and
>>> Manish Sisodia as you are.
>>>
>>> Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a political
>>> party - AAP.
>>>
>>> Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts which
>>> Arvind and Manish have given about  funds collected in name of IAC
>>>
>>> Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption
>>> "initiative"
>>> came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation"
>>> began
>>> corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram
>>> Lila
>>> grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great
>>> CRIMINAL
>>> LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will Dr.
>>> Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?
>>>
>>> Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal
>>> series
>>> on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are honest
>>> and
>>> sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.
>>>
>>> example
>>> https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html
>>>
>>> Mohd Ali Baig
>>> Dist Coordinator IAC
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort
>>>> against
>>>> Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all
>>>> these
>>>> people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
>>>> Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/
>>>> Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP.
>>>> But
>>>> people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind
>>>> Kesariwal.
>>>> Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is
>>>> really
>>>> sad that  people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday
>>>> by
>>>> Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public
>>>> this
>>>> way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam
>>>> associated
>>>> people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild
>>>> allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have
>>>> synergistic effect.
>>>> Hope sense will prevail in these people.
>>>> Writing with anguish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
>>> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
>>> Quit: iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net
>>> Help: http://help.riseup.net/lists/
>>>
>>
>> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
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>
>
>
> --
> Vidyut Kale
> 9869060575
> aamjanata.com
>

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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

@KrisDev
1) Many people prefer to keep their assets in tangible form
2) E-currency is not implemented anywhere in the world.
3) Bio-metrics ? first amend the Constitution
4) With inflation being what is is we need a 10,000 rupee note and fast.
5) Do you know how many hundreds of complaints are logged daily
about securities frauds in Demat accounts?
6) You have a typical babu attitude that a techno solution will make
all problems go away. Sorry, you have a vested interest in promoting
this technology.
7) Think like a hacker.
8) Is it a crime to possess a 1,000 rupee note ?
9) Have you thought through the Constitutional implications of being
a "socialist" state with what you propose.
10) Is it a crime to be "rich" ?
11) Do you trust all your money with US corporations like VISA and MASTERCARD
and with the Indian FinNet yet to be fully tested ?
12) Have you ever thought how it would be to be the victim of a cyber
crime and find all traces of your savings evaporated into cyber space
with no trace.

Sarbajit
.
On 12/1/12, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds brilliant, but how "hack-proof" is the tech? Till we can vouch
> for its being solid - you are replacing NATIONAL CURRENCY with it, I
> don't support. ATMs get spammed, there are vulnerabilities exposed in
> online bank transfers. There exist criminals who make careers hacking
> things like this (and most of the best ones are outside the country,
> including hotspot China - with whom we have differences of opinion and
> they have state sponsored hacking). This may mean to people's life's
> earnings being vulnerable to vanishing.
>
> Additionally, security measures may result in horrendous losses of privacy.
>
> The idea itself has merit, without doubt, but the application will be
> fraught with challenge, and till we can say with reasonable certainty
> that such a system can be secured and can be free from corruption
> (Ambani can afford to pay hackers if need be, for example), we will
> not be doing a responsible thing.
>
> My view.
>
> Vidyut
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate
>> banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and Rs
>> 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The
>> genuine
>> currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account
>> updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from
>> circulation and so on.
>>
>> Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of
>> transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can be
>> eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption
>> advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?
>>
>> What do others in this forum think?
>>
>> Kris Dev
>> Independent Anti-corruption Activist
>> Chennai
>>
>> --
>> "He/she should not do that which he/she knows to be wrong, and suffer the
>> consequence whatever it may be, this is the key to the use of
>> soul-force."
>>
>>
>> On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Reddy
>>>
>>> Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and
>>> Manish Sisodia as you are.
>>>
>>> Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a political
>>> party - AAP.
>>>
>>> Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts which
>>> Arvind and Manish have given about funds collected in name of IAC
>>>
>>> Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption
>>> "initiative"
>>> came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation"
>>> began
>>> corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram
>>> Lila
>>> grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great
>>> CRIMINAL
>>> LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will Dr.
>>> Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?
>>>
>>> Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal
>>> series
>>> on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are honest
>>> and
>>> sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.
>>>
>>> example
>>> https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html
>>>
>>> Mohd Ali Baig
>>> Dist Coordinator IAC
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort
>>>> against
>>>> Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all
>>>> these
>>>> people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
>>>> Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/
>>>> Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP.
>>>> But
>>>> people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind
>>>> Kesariwal.
>>>> Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is
>>>> really
>>>> sad that people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday
>>>> by
>>>> Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public
>>>> this
>>>> way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam
>>>> associated
>>>> people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild
>>>> allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have
>>>> synergistic effect.
>>>> Hope sense will prevail in these people.
>>>> Writing with anguish.
>>>
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Re: [IAC++] Identity of Mr. Ash

Sounds brilliant, but how "hack-proof" is the tech? Till we can vouch
for its being solid - you are replacing NATIONAL CURRENCY with it, I
don't support. ATMs get spammed, there are vulnerabilities exposed in
online bank transfers. There exist criminals who make careers hacking
things like this (and most of the best ones are outside the country,
including hotspot China - with whom we have differences of opinion and
they have state sponsored hacking). This may mean to people's life's
earnings being vulnerable to vanishing.

Additionally, security measures may result in horrendous losses of privacy.

The idea itself has merit, without doubt, but the application will be
fraught with challenge, and till we can say with reasonable certainty
that such a system can be secured and can be free from corruption
(Ambani can afford to pay hackers if need be, for example), we will
not be doing a responsible thing.

My view.

Vidyut

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have been communicating with IAC in the past. I asked them to advocate
> banning of currency circulation in stages, first removing Rs. 1000 and Rs
> 500 from circulation to weed out black money and fake currency. The genuine
> currency with citizens can be deposited in banks and their bank account
> updated. Next rs 100 and rs 50 currency notes can be removed from
> circulation and so on.
>
> Instead of liquid cash, Biometric Smart Card can be the medium of
> transaction. This would leave an indelible audit trail. Most scams can be
> eradicated. Elections can be made transparent. Are the anti-corruption
> advocating NGOs for total transparency and accountability?
>
> What do others in this forum think?
>
> Kris Dev
> Independent Anti-corruption Activist
> Chennai
>
> --
> "He/she should not do that which he/she knows to be wrong, and suffer the
> consequence whatever it may be, this is the key to the use of soul-force."
>
>
> On 1 December 2012 09:56, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Reddy
>>
>> Not everybody is now so convinced about honesty of Arvind Kejriwal and
>> Manish Sisodia as you are.
>>
>> Not everybody in IAC is convinced about the decision to form a political
>> party - AAP.
>>
>> Not everybody is satisfied with non-transparent and vague accounts which
>> Arvind and Manish have given about funds collected in name of IAC
>>
>> Not everybody is convinced about how India Against Corruption "initiative"
>> came about, called on Prime Minister and then some IAC "organisation" began
>> corresponding with Delhi Police and MCD to book Jantar Mantar and Ram Lila
>> grounds for Anna Hazare's fasts. These actions have caused great CRIMINAL
>> LIABILITY for IAC which those persons cannot now run away from. Will Dr.
>> Kiran Bedi former IPS take responsibility for these actions ?
>>
>> Haven't you been seeing the photos in Arvind ki Junngle mein Mangal series
>> on "RealAamAadmiParty" blog . How can you still say that they are honest and
>> sober people ? IAC does not want such persons.
>>
>> example
>> https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/iac/2012-11/msg00232.html
>>
>> Mohd Ali Baig
>> Dist Coordinator IAC
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM, MVReddy wrote:
>>>
>>> As Sameer Banerjee rightly pointed out, allegations of this sort against
>>> Arvind Kesariwal and Sisodia by some of the IAC leaders (Who are all these
>>> people I dont know) like today by Mohd Ali Baig
>>> Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/
>>> Consultant For NGOs are hurting us all. I am still not a member of AAP. But
>>> people like me are in millions who admire Annaji, IAC and Arvind Kesariwal.
>>> Daily non-stop so many ill things are happening in our country. It is really
>>> sad that people like Mohd Ali Baig, Dist Coordinator IAC and yesterday by
>>> Raktim Mukhopadhyay, Advisor/ Consultant For NGOs are confusing public this
>>> way. Open your eyes, see today TOI headlines, see how CWG scam associated
>>> people are coming back in a big way. Why are you wasting your by wild
>>> allegations energy against AAP. Let them work and you also work to have
>>> synergistic effect.
>>> Hope sense will prevail in these people.
>>> Writing with anguish.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Post: iac@lists.riseup.net
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