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Re: [HumJanenge] RTI Unification advisory
Re: [HumJanenge] Need volunteers to devote 2 hours per week.
The Himalayan Chipko Foundation needs volunteers to :1. file and follow up RTI applications2. collect data through internet searchThe information is required to enable us to stop the timber mafia from cutting trees in the Himalayas and elsewhere.Those interested in volunteering about two hours per week or four hours per month please contact : The volunteers have to work from their homes.JP DabralPresidentHimalayan Chipko FoundationEmail: jp_dabral@indiatimes.comPhone: 9868277171
Re: [HumJanenge] Need volunteers to devote 2 hours per week.
Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
I am ready to volunteer but I am stationed at Pitampura Delhi after my retirement from BARC Mumbai.
Dr N C Jain
12-12-10
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:21:28 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need volunteers to devote 2 hours per week.
From: jkgroup999@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Dear Shri JP Dabral-Ji,
This is in response to your Appeal for Volunteers.I am ready to volunteer for your organisation. Please give me the details of your organisationThank youJithendar Reddywehelpngokarimnagar andhra pradesh 9701778357
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RE: [HumJanenge] Need volunteers to devote 2 hours per week.
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Dr N C Jain
12-12-10
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:21:28 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Need volunteers to devote 2 hours per week.
From: jkgroup999@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Dear Shri JP Dabral-Ji,
This is in response to your Appeal for Volunteers.I am ready to volunteer for your organisation. Please give me the details of your organisationThank youJithendar Reddywehelpngokarimnagar andhra pradesh 9701778357
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[rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment
As a moderator of RTI4empowerment.yahoogroup I closed the idiotic poll started by Mr Dhirendra Krishna when I observed the trend going against him. The automatically generated final results were posted to both yahoo and google groups.
Now I find that Mr Krishna has reopened the poll to try and rig the results and deleted the results from the Yahoo group.
list owner
--- In rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com, "Urvi Sukul Singh" <usukulsingh@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr Krrishna,
> Who is bringing out this idiotic poll and results?I think there is some mischief being played as the poll was posed from rti4emp@yahoo and the results come on the googlegroups?What rubbish is going on?
> Urvi
>
>
> From: RTI4Emp
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:45 PM
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [rti4empowerment] Poll results for rti4empowerment
>
>
> Poll results for rti4empowerment
>
> The following rti4empowerment poll is now closed. Here are the final results:
>
> POLL QUESTION: The policy for allowing illegal immigration is under consideration. Views of members of yahoo group rti4empowerment are solicited, for sending a representation to the Prime Minister of India. The question to be considered is whether it is in India's national interest to allow illegal migrants from neighboring countries?
>
> What do you think ?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
>
> - Yes, existing practice should continue,. 0 votes, 0.00%
> - No, effective measures should be taken to prevent them, 1 vote, 25.00%
> - Any one who criticizes such illegal entry is an "hindu bigot" and should be condemned, 3 votes, 75.00%
> - International borders have lost their significance in glogalized environment, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Any other views. ( Please specify by posting a message in yahoo group rti4empowerment.), 0 votes, 0.00%
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rti4empowerment
>
> For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.html
>
Poll results for rti4empowerment
The following rti4empowerment poll is now closed. Here are the final results:
POLL QUESTION: The policy for allowing illegal immigration is under consideration. Views of members of yahoo group rti4empowerment are solicited, for sending a representation to the Prime Minister of India. The question to be considered is whether it is in India's national interest to allow illegal migrants from neighboring countries?
What do you think ?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, existing practice should continue,. 0 votes, 0.00%
- No, effective measures should be taken to prevent them, 1 vote, 25.00%
- Any one who criticizes such illegal entry is an "hindu bigot" and should be condemned, 3 votes, 75.00%
- International borders have lost their significance in glogalized environment, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Any other views. ( Please specify by posting a message in yahoo group rti4empowerment.), 0 votes, 0.00%
For more information about this group, please visit
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Sir,This is the point on which few Hindu elements that had always propogated communal agends have hiccups when they see vote of Congress government in each state of India. Indira Gandhi married to a Muslim and therefore Rajiv gandhi was a muslim and so in Rahul gandhi. But whats wrong in it, both Feroz and Indira were Indians. Your agenda of hared falls flat but it gives huge shocks to those Hindus who vote for Congress and hate Muslims. So correct your facts.Regards,Rajeev Yadav,National President,Adhikaar the rights path,+919811242471
From: sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com>To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Date: Saturday, 11 December, 2010, 1:34 PM
It is clear that the old British tactics of "divide and rule" can
still be applied
in India today.
My challenge is a simple one
1) Sonia Gandhi and her children and their spouses are the de-facto
rulers of India.
2) Members of this family sit in Parliament and shape/ vote on
legislation which affects all of us, including on personal laws.
3) The media makes a big thing out of the fact that they visit and eat
in Dalit households.
In this context every citizen has a right to know
1) What the religion of Members of Parliament like Sonia Gandhi and
Rahul Gandhi is
2) Furthermore, if they belong to a religion which has caste then what
that caste is.
Every Indian citizen has to declare their religion at various
occasions which is information in Govt Records. Every publicly
accessible record concerning the religion and caste of these MPs and
Prime Ministers has been rendered inaccessible or destroyed. I am not
speaking about Census records which are privileged, but documents
which citizens have.a right to inspect at any time.
Let me summarise the material available in public domain on these questions.
1) Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi. He never converted out of Zorastrianism,
2) Indira Gandhi was a Kashmiri Pandit (Hindu). In 1930 she renounced
Hindusim and converted to Adi Dharm religion.
3) Indira Nehru and Feroze Gandhi married under Adi Dharm Vedic rites
at Allahabad and their marriage was registered in Allahabad under
Special Marriage Act 1872. After some objections were raised against
this marriage ("completely illegal marriage") Jahawarlal Nehru
arranged for a Arya Samaj marriage certificate under Arya Marriage
Validation Act 1939 by submitting a memorandum (as father of bride)
claiming that Feroze Gandhi has converted to Hinduism and underwent
suddhikaran. A claim which Feroze Gandhi always denied.
4) It is very well known that Jawaharlal Nehru who had no other legal
heir broke up this marriage and 'kidnapped" Rajiv Gandhi and Sanjay
Gandhi to bring them up and did not
allow Feroze Gandhi to see them. Some investigtors have even claimed
that Nehru hastened
Feroze Gandhi's demise.
5) Rajiv Gandhi married Sonia Gandhi by Vedic rites, and got marriage
registered in Delhi under Special Marriage Act 1954 on basis of
marriage certiifcate issued by Arya Samaj. Until 2007 these papers
were at Patiala House Court New Delhi. In the supporting affidavits it
was written that Rajiv Gandhi's religion as "Adi Dharm" and Sonia
Maino as "Christian-Roman Catholic". This was also entered in certain
diaries maintained by the Marriage Officer. These diaries also
contained the records of numerous other citizens. All these records
have now disappeared.
6) Assuming for a moment that all the above information is true, and
Rajiv Gandhi was a converted Arya Samaji or Adi Dharmi then in terms
of Hindu shastra he has no caste or at best the lowest caste.
7) When Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, he was cremated at public
expense. Surely the citizens have a right to know why the child of a
Parsi father was cremated at huge public expense instead of being
exposed at a Tower of Silence.
If there is any person here who is competent enough to draft a
"responsible" RTI request to know the religion and caste of Sonia
Gandhi or Rahul Gandhi, please discuss it, or I shall withdraw this
challenge and mark it up as a loss against this group and a win for
me.
Sarbajit
Re: [rti4empowerment] Poll results for rti4empowerment
-BLIND BELIEF-DOES GOD EXIST??????!!!!!
Please ponder over these very rational statements.
Most amongst the human beings believe that God exists.
For some it is either Brahma, Vishnu or Maheshwar or one of the 399 Gods & Goddesses or scores of spirits & ghosts,
For some, it is Jesus Christ,
For some it is Allah,
For some it is Buddha,
For some it is any of Jain Tirtankars,
For some any of the Gurus of Sikhism so on & so forth.
We quarrel amongst ourselves that we are Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, Jains, Buddhists, etc., but, has any God or Goddess revealed himself or herself to any one of us to either endorse our quarrel or decry it? Answer is an emphatic NO!
Does any one who dies, return to tell tale about? Answer also is an emphatic NO!
Is SWARG or NARAK, JANNAT or JEHANNUM, HEAVEN or HELL a large celestial world? If YES, how much of it is under control of any of these;
BRAHMA, VISHNU, MAHESHWAR & 399 GODS & GODDESSES OR ALLAH, JESUS CHRIST, BUDDHA ETC., so on & so forth? There is no answer!
If one or some change ones or their faith, which Swarg or Narak, Jannat or Jehnnum, Heaven or Hell that one or those reach? None knows the answer!
Do these Gods & Goddesses retain accounting books with them so that those who forsake a faith shall be a debit entry in the forsaken God/Goddess's book and credit entry in embraced God/Goddess's book? None knows the answer!
If these Gods/Goddesses are OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPERVADING do they need Temples, Mosques, Churches, Basadis, Gompas, Gurudwaras? Answer obviously is an emphatic NO!
If these Gods/Goddesses exist, why Allah did not prevent demolition of Babri Mosque; why did Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswar & other 399 Gods & Goddesses did not prevent the demolition of scores of temples in India & outside after demolition of Babri Mosque? Likewise, why Jesus Christ did not prevent demolition of churches in history? So much so, the Jain Sikh & Buddhist Gods prevent the demolition of the respective places of worships whenever they occurred in the history? E.g. Jain temples in Southern India & Buddhist temples in Northern India WERE converted to Hindu temples in the late second century A.D. when Hinduism usurped trampling Jainism & Buddhism in India ? Any answers? Obviously NO!
Is there any evidence of war or quarrel amongst or conquest of any of the Gods & Goddesses by the other? Answer is obviously NO!
Followers of various faiths quarrel among themselves & one another without any interference from any of the Gods. Just as in the case of political parties, party leaders do not quarrel but, party workers quarrel for the leaders sustain injuries & losses. What a paradox! Any reasons? Answer is yet again an emphatic NO!
Religions are being used just as political parties trying to create vote bank, by Swamis, Mullah's & others, Priests or numerous Godmen & Godwomen prompting their followers to quarrel for them.
Why Gods & Goddesses exist only for Human Beings & not for reptiles, birds & Animals? Any answers? Obviously NO!
In Punarjanm or Reincarnation, cow is one form of Punarjanm. Visualise a Hindu, A Muslim, a Christian, a Sikh, A Jain, A Buddhist, so on & so forth having a cow each and if these sell their cows amongst themselves; does the cow sold relinquishes worship of God/Goddess of its earlier master/mistress & begin to worship God/Goddess of its new master/mistress? Any answers? Obviously NO!
Which of the Gods/Goddesses the scores of birds, reptiles, animals in jungle worship? Any answers? Obviously NO!
Human beings in the world speak scores of languages. Why these Gods/Goddesses standardize the languages spoken by their adorers? Any answers? Obviously NO!
Sun shines evenly without discrimination upon a Hindu (any sect) Christian (any denomination) Muslim( any denomination) so on & so forth. So does when it rains!
A cat mews identically in a house of a Hindu (any sect) Christian (any denomination) Muslim ( any denomination) so on & so forth!
A cow yields milk & milk alone regardless whether it is in the house of a Hindu (any sect) Christian ( any denomination) Muslim( any denomination) so on & so forth!
So does a dog or any other mammal that is reared!
Every Purohit or Bhat, or Priest or Mullah or Sant avers that God always tests a devotee by giving him or her testing times & travails to ensure that he/she is steadfast in his/her devotion and also those who undergo travails & tribulations are ensured happiness in the other world; whereas, to bring the wrongdoer into God's fold God is extra benevolent to him/her! What a paradoxical justice! What is it anyway; nothing but HUMBUG!
Every faith propagates that the human beings were created by the creator, The God! In that case why the Gods created Human speaking different languages, different races, skin colour etc.?
Why the Gods created Humans with uneven distribution of wealth, intellect & ability?
Are so named or called Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Christians, Buddhists etc., so on & so forth, denote or connote different ethnic or groups? Answer obviously is No!
These are only groups owing allegiance to different schools of thought! Just as political parties!
All Gods or Goddesses may at best historical personalities or creation of fertile imagination & nothing else!
So, it is futile to build places of worship, e.g. TEMPLES, MOSQUES, CHURCHES, GURUDWARAS, JAIN & BUDDISTS TEMPLES so on & so forth & waste resources in propitiation, votive offerings etc.,
All those God-men, God-women, priests, swamis, mullahs etc., exist by profession; only a CRAFT to earn one's livelihood! Just as Sanskrit saying; UDHARA BHARANUM; BAHUKRITA VESHAM!
Further, every religion claims that all humans have a soul but, birds, animals, reptiles etc., have none! What a partisan dispensation by the God!!!???
"I helped give birth to three children with the human cloning technique, known as genetic recoding. It involved two boys and a girl who are nine years old today. They were born healthy and they are in excellent health now." said Severino Antinori, a prominent gynaecologist, to Oggi, an Italian weekly in an interview that appeared on Wednesday, the 4th of February 2009.Do these two boys & one girl who were created by Severino Antinori have souls???!!! Any answers???!!!
In India, recent statistics indicate that about 76% of Indian population subsist by earning just Rs. 25 a day. This population also worships different Gods/Goddesses, align themselves to varied faiths, pray, offer votives, pay obeisance! Alas! None of the Gods/Goddesses have alleviated them from this morass or predicament! So why waste time & spend hard earned money in these futile exercises?
India, our motherland is so diverse, linguistically, ethnically and anthropologically with over 4000 languages about over 1600 religious practices and equally large ethnic origins; it can be equated to an extremely large, massively grown tree; in the boughs & branches immigrant birds from far and wide, genetically & specieally very diverse, have perched and built their nests laid eggs in them, incubated them into fledglings which became fully fledged to further the genus. This tree, the mother India has sheltered them and offered them a habitat & continue to do so without any discrimination on genus & specie!
Hence, no specie of any genus can claim proprietary right on this tree!
Those countrymen & women who on the basis of religion & God, spread hatred, strife, riots, vandalism, loot, unrest, massacre, bloodshed, lawlessness, anarchy, economic halt, shredding human fibre to pieces that cannot be rewoven into a fabric, are responsible for the tears those are shed from the eyes of hapless kith & kins of those who lose their parents, siblings, bread earners with gloom staring in their eyes! Let them think for a while & visualize what would have been their plight had they encountered similar predicament!
So, in conclusion, none of the human beings have any choice when they are born; let human beings live as human beings respecting others right to exist, live, pursue a profession, earn livelihood by fair & equitable means, so long as such a behaviour does not cause any harm, injury, loss or consternation to others, coexisting in this world as human beings, in perfect symbiosis.
Regards,
WEDS
From: RTI4Emp <rti4empowerment.owner@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 December, 2010 23:45:30
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Poll results for rti4empowerment
Poll results for rti4empowerment
The following rti4empowerment poll is now closed. Here are the final results:
POLL QUESTION: The policy for allowing illegal immigration is under consideration. Views of members of yahoo group rti4empowerment are solicited, for sending a representation to the Prime Minister of India. The question to be considered is whether it is in India's national interest to allow illegal migrants from neighboring countries?
What do you think ?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, existing practice should continue,. 0 votes, 0.00%
- No, effective measures should be taken to prevent them, 1 vote, 25.00%
- Any one who criticizes such illegal entry is an "hindu bigot" and should be condemned, 3 votes, 75.00%
- International borders have lost their significance in glogalized environment, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Any other views. ( Please specify by posting a message in yahoo group rti4empowerment.), 0 votes, 0.00%
For more information about this group, please visit
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Re: [rti4empowerment] FROM CIC WEBSITE ON VIG-EYE
I had complained of under valuation of propertis while registering sale * purchase of immoveable properties, to CVC, CBDT, Prime Minister & Finance Minister. No action initiated yet.
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 December, 2010 19:31:16
Subject: [rti4empowerment] FROM CIC WEBSITE ON VIG-EYE
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[HumJanenge] RTI Unification advisory
ADVISORY 2010/12/002
To all members / moderators
1. [rti_india]
2. [humjanenge]
3. [rti4empowerment]
Circulating emails over the afore mentioned RTI google mailing lists on the following topical subjects shall result in instant revocation of group membership.
a. DoPT's draft RTI Rules
b. Digvijay Singh
This advisory is issued on behalf of, and in the interest of, all group members / cityzens as a short term measure to limit volume of group message posts.
RU project coordinator
[rti4empowerment] RTI Unification advisory
ADVISORY 2010/12/002
To all members / moderators
1. [rti_india]
2. [humjanenge]
3. [rti4empowerment]
Circulating emails over the afore mentioned RTI google mailing lists on the following topical subjects shall result in instant revocation of group membership.
a. DoPT's draft RTI Rules
b. Digvijay Singh
This advisory is issued on behalf of, and in the interest of, all group members / cityzens as a short term measure to limit volume of group message posts.
RU project coordinator
[rti4empowerment] Poll results for rti4empowerment
The following rti4empowerment poll is now closed. Here are the final results:
POLL QUESTION: The policy for allowing illegal immigration is under consideration. Views of members of yahoo group rti4empowerment are solicited, for sending a representation to the Prime Minister of India. The question to be considered is whether it is in India's national interest to allow illegal migrants from neighboring countries?
What do you think ?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, existing practice should continue,. 0 votes, 0.00%
- No, effective measures should be taken to prevent them, 1 vote, 25.00%
- Any one who criticizes such illegal entry is an "hindu bigot" and should be condemned, 3 votes, 75.00%
- International borders have lost their significance in glogalized environment, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Any other views. ( Please specify by posting a message in yahoo group rti4empowerment.), 0 votes, 0.00%
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
that you are a Hindu. I am not saying this but the Supreme Cout uses this
as a test for who is a Hindu and who is not. This is 1 test of 3 tests
in the "Tilak test of Hinduism" formulated by Bal Gangadhar Tilak
Regards,
Devendra Tripathi
[PS: I have removed my cell number from my signature as per moderator's instructions]
From: Ashok Chaitanya <ashok_chaitanya@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 4:18:51 AM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
I have read the various critical comments on Mr. Sarbjit by a number of
esteemed members of this platform. Notwithstanding the same, I would
certainly acknowledge Mr. Sarbjit's quality of arguments. In my view, Mr.
Sarabjeet has put forth the clinching and substantial arguments here.
Ashok Chaitanya
-----Original Message-----
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of sroy1947
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:24 PM
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Dear Guptaji
When you say that there are many paths to reach the goal, it proves
that
you are a Hindu. I am not saying this but the Supreme Cout uses this
as a test for who is a Hindu and who is not. This is 1 test of 3 tests
in the "Tilak test of Hinduism" formulated by Bal Gangadhar Tilak.
Hinduism is an inclusive religion, others like Islam, Christianity,
Parsi etc
are not - you must be their adherent to the exclusion of all other
religions. ie. a Christan cannot be a Muslim or vice-versa or a Parsi.
Another test laid down by the Supreme Court is if the convert been
accepted into the community. So if say Sonia Gandhi claims to be a
Hindu, has the Hindu community accepted her as such ? Today if
you go into any village with Hindus, you will be asked for your jaat
and paat and gotra. It is normal in Indian tradition. Many people base
their decisions on such factors. What is the gotra of Sonia Gandhi ?
I say she has none ! As Subsrmanian Swamy has written, even her
name is not Sonia.
Sarbajit
On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Though I was born in the family of a Vaish (Gupta) in the Hindu religion
yet I
> regard myself as Indian first. I also respect Muslim, Sikh, Christian,
Budha,
> Jainism, Persian and all other religions not mentioned here. The goal of
all the
> religions is one though the ways to reach that goal are different. I
shall have
> been equally happy if I have been born in some other religion as I believe
in
> one religion i.e. 'Humanity' and in servicing of not only human beings but
also
> other creatures of God. We don't have any control to take birth in a
particular
> religion and this is decided by God but we can control ourselves by living
in
> harmonious ways with the followers of all other religions.
>
>
> After the hate messages of Mr. R. Singh have been stopped on yahoogroup,
on this
> group, one member is suggesting to revoke the suspension of another sender
of
> hate messages i.e. Mr S D Sharma to invite such messages. Shame on us. Pl.
do
> not test patience of the members.
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
1. Kindly specify exactly where Sarabjit Roy (or are you referring
instead to Rajeshwar Rao ?) has spread hatred, animosity and created
rifts between communities living in harmony. As assured we shall take
the necessary action if google's terms of service or this group's
additional regulations are contravened.
2. As the bare reading of this thread titled "RTI Challenge" shows,
Sarabjit Roy had cited a recent judgment of Punjab & Haryana High
Court directly concerning a substantial question of law on RTI upon a
petition by an IG of Police decided against him concerning a request
for records of Sonia Gandhi's religion.
3) Evidently this is information a great many other citizens (such as
Mr Roy) are interested in securing lawfully under the RTI after
discussion on this group. Mr Roy has formally complained that certain
disruptive members are attempting to derail the discussion by
agitating communal and other non-issues. We are inclined to agree with
him.
PMK
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:49 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>
> What about issuing caution to Mr. Sarabjit Rao for trying to spread hatered in the society. Moderators are allowing this wilfully and will be equally liable for this before the law. Such action give rise to the apprehensions that Mr. PMK1504 and Mr. Sarabjit Rao are one and same person.
>
> If such things are not stopped, members may complain to the Delhi Police and other authorities authorsed of taking action.
>
> This is not for the rti related issue of filing an application for knowing the religion of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi but for spreading animosty, creating rift between communities living in peace and harmony.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/12/10, PMK1504 <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: PMK1504 <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 11 December, 2010, 9:31 PM
>
> Dear members
>
> This group is titled "Hum Janenge - People's resolve to know".
>
> Our prime focus is on discussion of the following issues pertaining to India
> a) RTI
> b) democracy
> c) accountability
> d) transparency
> e) corruption
>
> Everyone can rest assured that owners / moderators shall intervene
> immediately whenever group regulations are contravened.
>
> Sh Khemani is cautioned not to circuate his mobile number to to group
> members. It is a contravention of regulation 1(j ) which can be read
> on this group's homepage
>
> PMK
Re: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLS
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:41:32 +0530 wrote
>Dear members
This group is titled "Hum Janenge - People's resolve to know".
Our prime focus is on discussion of the following issues pertaining to India
a) RTI
b) democracy
c) accountability
d) transparency
e) corruption
Everyone can rest assured that owners / moderators shall intervene
immediately whenever group regulations are contravened.
Sh Khemani is cautioned not to circuate his mobile number to to group
members. It is a contravention of regulation 1(j ) which can be read
on this group's homepage
PMK
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM, bimal khemani
>
> Now a days ,we are discussing more on other issues, except RTI
> I think ,moderators of various groups must stop all these misuses.
>
> Bimal Khemani
> RTI activist
> ALIGARH-202001
> INDIA
> Mob:935-972-4625
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM, bimal khemani
>
> Now a days ,we are discussing more on other issues, except RTI
> I think ,moderators of various groups must stop all these misuses.
>
> Bimal Khemani
> RTI activist
> ALIGARH-202001
> INDIA
> Mob:935-972-4625
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
What about issuing caution to Mr. Sarabjit Rao for trying to spread hatered in the society. Moderators are allowing this wilfully and will be equally liable for this before the law. Such action give rise to the apprehensions that Mr. PMK1504 and Mr. Sarabjit Rao are one and same person. If such things are not stopped, members may complain to the Delhi Police and other authorities authorsed of taking action. This is not for the rti related issue of filing an application for knowing the religion of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi but for spreading animosty, creating rift between communities living in peace and harmony. --- On Sat, 11/12/10, PMK1504 <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
This group is titled "Hum Janenge - People's resolve to know".
Our prime focus is on discussion of the following issues pertaining to India
a) RTI
b) democracy
c) accountability
d) transparency
e) corruption
Everyone can rest assured that owners / moderators shall intervene
immediately whenever group regulations are contravened.
Sh Khemani is cautioned not to circuate his mobile number to to group
members. It is a contravention of regulation 1(j ) which can be read
on this group's homepage
PMK
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM, bimal khemani
<bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Now a days , we are discussing more on other issues, except RTI
> I think , moderators of various groups must stop all these misuses.
>
> Bimal Khemani
> RTI activist
> ALIGARH-202001
> INDIA
> Mob:935-972-4625
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM, bimal khemani
<bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Now a days , we are discussing more on other issues, except RTI
> I think , moderators of various groups must stop all these misuses.
>
> Bimal Khemani
> RTI activist
> ALIGARH-202001
> INDIA
> Mob:935-972-4625
>
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Only Indian no first or last.This group should take care of Secularism/Democracy --- On Sat, 11/12/10, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Now a days , we are discussing more on other issues, except RTI I think , moderators of various groups must stop all these misuses. Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Sat, 11/12/10, rajeev kumar <yadavrajeev_2005@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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RE: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
esteemed members of this platform. Notwithstanding the same, I would
certainly acknowledge Mr. Sarbjit's quality of arguments. In my view, Mr.
Sarabjeet has put forth the clinching and substantial arguments here.
Ashok Chaitanya
-----Original Message-----
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of sroy1947
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:24 PM
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Dear Guptaji
When you say that there are many paths to reach the goal, it proves
that
you are a Hindu. I am not saying this but the Supreme Cout uses this
as a test for who is a Hindu and who is not. This is 1 test of 3 tests
in the "Tilak test of Hinduism" formulated by Bal Gangadhar Tilak.
Hinduism is an inclusive religion, others like Islam, Christianity,
Parsi etc
are not - you must be their adherent to the exclusion of all other
religions. ie. a Christan cannot be a Muslim or vice-versa or a Parsi.
Another test laid down by the Supreme Court is if the convert been
accepted into the community. So if say Sonia Gandhi claims to be a
Hindu, has the Hindu community accepted her as such ? Today if
you go into any village with Hindus, you will be asked for your jaat
and paat and gotra. It is normal in Indian tradition. Many people base
their decisions on such factors. What is the gotra of Sonia Gandhi ?
I say she has none ! As Subsrmanian Swamy has written, even her
name is not Sonia.
Sarbajit
On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Though I was born in the family of a Vaish (Gupta) in the Hindu religion
yet I
> regard myself as Indian first. I also respect Muslim, Sikh, Christian,
Budha,
> Jainism, Persian and all other religions not mentioned here. The goal of
all the
> religions is one though the ways to reach that goal are different. I
shall have
> been equally happy if I have been born in some other religion as I believe
in
> one religion i.e. 'Humanity' and in servicing of not only human beings but
also
> other creatures of God. We don't have any control to take birth in a
particular
> religion and this is decided by God but we can control ourselves by living
in
> harmonious ways with the followers of all other religions.
>
>
> After the hate messages of Mr. R. Singh have been stopped on yahoogroup,
on this
> group, one member is suggesting to revoke the suspension of another sender
of
> hate messages i.e. Mr S D Sharma to invite such messages. Shame on us. Pl.
do
> not test patience of the members.
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
This is last warning to these communal forces to stop their hate mails failing which i shall be compelled to lodge an F.I.R. against these vested interests and leave no stone unturned to get you convicted. You have spoilt the atmoshphere at the groups, we RTI activist work above caste and community lines. Regards Rajeev Yadav --- On Sat, 11/12/10, sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
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[HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
When you say that there are many paths to reach the goal, it proves
that
you are a Hindu. I am not saying this but the Supreme Cout uses this
as a test for who is a Hindu and who is not. This is 1 test of 3 tests
in the "Tilak test of Hinduism" formulated by Bal Gangadhar Tilak.
Hinduism is an inclusive religion, others like Islam, Christianity,
Parsi etc
are not - you must be their adherent to the exclusion of all other
religions. ie. a Christan cannot be a Muslim or vice-versa or a Parsi.
Another test laid down by the Supreme Court is if the convert been
accepted into the community. So if say Sonia Gandhi claims to be a
Hindu, has the Hindu community accepted her as such ? Today if
you go into any village with Hindus, you will be asked for your jaat
and paat and gotra. It is normal in Indian tradition. Many people base
their decisions on such factors. What is the gotra of Sonia Gandhi ?
I say she has none ! As Subsrmanian Swamy has written, even her
name is not Sonia.
Sarbajit
On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, "M.K. Gupta" <mkgupta...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Though I was born in the family of a Vaish (Gupta) in the Hindu religion yet I
> regard myself as Indian first. I also respect Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Budha,
> Jainism, Persian and all other religions not mentioned here. The goal of all the
> religions is one though the ways to reach that goal are different. I shall have
> been equally happy if I have been born in some other religion as I believe in
> one religion i.e. 'Humanity' and in servicing of not only human beings but also
> other creatures of God. We don't have any control to take birth in a particular
> religion and this is decided by God but we can control ourselves by living in
> harmonious ways with the followers of all other religions.
>
>
> After the hate messages of Mr. R. Singh have been stopped on yahoogroup, on this
> group, one member is suggesting to revoke the suspension of another sender of
> hate messages i.e. Mr S D Sharma to invite such messages. Shame on us. Pl. do
> not test patience of the members.
>
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Though I was born in the family of a Vaish (Gupta) in the Hindu religion yet I regard myself as Indian first. I also respect Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Budha, Jainism, Persian and all other religions not mentioned here. The goal of all the religions is one though the ways to reach that goal are different. I shall have been equally happy if I have been born in some other religion as I believe in one religion i.e. 'Humanity' and in servicing of not only human beings but also other creatures of God. We don't have any control to take birth in a particular religion and this is decided by God but we can control ourselves by living in harmonious ways with the followers of all other religions.
After the hate messages of Mr. R. Singh have been stopped on yahoogroup, on this group, one member is suggesting to revoke the suspension of another sender of hate messages i.e. Mr S D Sharma to invite such messages. Shame on us. Pl. do not test patience of the members.
From: sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 11 December, 2010 2:58:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Dear Nikit
Please believe when I say that I understand and agree with the
sentiment behind your message. I also appreciate your usage of starred
terms <smile>
I shall truthfully reply that YES I think the issue of why Sonia
Gandhi's and Rahul Gandhi's religion and caste details as recorded in
PUBLIC Govt records is not accessible in RTI to citizens is a matter
of incredible public concern.
I am not interested in the politics of this. For me all political
parties / politicians are equally unsavoury and corrupt.
The specific reason why I want this information is to test the
integrity / honesty / equity of the RTI delivery system. If this group
which has so many people knowledgeable about RTI cannot get access to
PUBLIC records using RTI then the RTI scheme stands exposed as a
massive fraud. I personally cannot accept an RTI appellate scheme
which says Mr X is entitled to inspect records submitted in
coinfidence by Sarbajit Roy (over my detailed objections) but not that
of Sonia Gandhi (because she appointed me as an Information
Commissioner) which are in any case in the public domain as per
pre-existing law.
Finally, if the discussion here is poor, it is because the good and
honest people choose to keep quiet.
I hope you understand what I am saying here.
Sarbajit
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Nikit Abhyankar
<nikit.abhyankar@gmail.com> wrote:
> What the f*** is this supposed to mean Mr. Roy? If you think these issues
> are really more important than everything else that the country is facing -
> I pity you. I am deeply disappointed with the discussions on this group
> lately.
> MODERATORS: PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME.
> Nikit Abhyankar
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
[HumJanenge] Request legal guidance on culpability of MD in cheating / conspiracy / abetment
Friends: please give some guidance whether a Managing Director of a company is culpable for the acts of his executives in cheating, conspiracy, abetment, criminal breach of trust, etc. Any citations, please? Thanks. Victor |
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
Please believe when I say that I understand and agree with the
sentiment behind your message. I also appreciate your usage of starred
terms <smile>
I shall truthfully reply that YES I think the issue of why Sonia
Gandhi's and Rahul Gandhi's religion and caste details as recorded in
PUBLIC Govt records is not accessible in RTI to citizens is a matter
of incredible public concern.
I am not interested in the politics of this. For me all political
parties / politicians are equally unsavoury and corrupt.
The specific reason why I want this information is to test the
integrity / honesty / equity of the RTI delivery system. If this group
which has so many people knowledgeable about RTI cannot get access to
PUBLIC records using RTI then the RTI scheme stands exposed as a
massive fraud. I personally cannot accept an RTI appellate scheme
which says Mr X is entitled to inspect records submitted in
coinfidence by Sarbajit Roy (over my detailed objections) but not that
of Sonia Gandhi (because she appointed me as an Information
Commissioner) which are in any case in the public domain as per
pre-existing law.
Finally, if the discussion here is poor, it is because the good and
honest people choose to keep quiet.
I hope you understand what I am saying here.
Sarbajit
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Nikit Abhyankar
<nikit.abhyankar@gmail.com> wrote:
> What the f*** is this supposed to mean Mr. Roy? If you think these issues
> are really more important than everything else that the country is facing -
> I pity you. I am deeply disappointed with the discussions on this group
> lately.
> MODERATORS: PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME.
> Nikit Abhyankar
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
RE: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
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From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com on behalf of sroy 1947
Sent: Sat 12/11/2010 1:34 PM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges
It is clear that the old British tactics of "divide and rule" can
still be applied
in India today.
My challenge is a simple one
1) Sonia Gandhi and her children and their spouses are the de-facto
rulers of India.
2) Members of this family sit in Parliament and shape/ vote on
legislation which affects all of us, including on personal laws.
3) The media makes a big thing out of the fact that they visit and eat
in Dalit households.
In this context every citizen has a right to know
1) What the religion of Members of Parliament like Sonia Gandhi and
Rahul Gandhi is
2) Furthermore, if they belong to a religion which has caste then what
that caste is.
Every Indian citizen has to declare their religion at various
occasions which is information in Govt Records. Every publicly
accessible record concerning the religion and caste of these MPs and
Prime Ministers has been rendered inaccessible or destroyed. I am not
speaking about Census records which are privileged, but documents
which citizens have.a right to inspect at any time.
Let me summarise the material available in public domain on these questions.
1) Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi. He never converted out of Zorastrianism,
2) Indira Gandhi was a Kashmiri Pandit (Hindu). In 1930 she renounced
Hindusim and converted to Adi Dharm religion.
3) Indira Nehru and Feroze Gandhi married under Adi Dharm Vedic rites
at Allahabad and their marriage was registered in Allahabad under
Special Marriage Act 1872. After some objections were raised against
this marriage ("completely illegal marriage") Jahawarlal Nehru
arranged for a Arya Samaj marriage certificate under Arya Marriage
Validation Act 1939 by submitting a memorandum (as father of bride)
claiming that Feroze Gandhi has converted to Hinduism and underwent
suddhikaran. A claim which Feroze Gandhi always denied.
4) It is very well known that Jawaharlal Nehru who had no other legal
heir broke up this marriage and 'kidnapped" Rajiv Gandhi and Sanjay
Gandhi to bring them up and did not
allow Feroze Gandhi to see them. Some investigtors have even claimed
that Nehru hastened
Feroze Gandhi's demise.
5) Rajiv Gandhi married Sonia Gandhi by Vedic rites, and got marriage
registered in Delhi under Special Marriage Act 1954 on basis of
marriage certiifcate issued by Arya Samaj. Until 2007 these papers
were at Patiala House Court New Delhi. In the supporting affidavits it
was written that Rajiv Gandhi's religion as "Adi Dharm" and Sonia
Maino as "Christian-Roman Catholic". This was also entered in certain
diaries maintained by the Marriage Officer. These diaries also
contained the records of numerous other citizens. All these records
have now disappeared.
6) Assuming for a moment that all the above information is true, and
Rajiv Gandhi was a converted Arya Samaji or Adi Dharmi then in terms
of Hindu shastra he has no caste or at best the lowest caste.
7) When Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated, he was cremated at public
expense. Surely the citizens have a right to know why the child of a
Parsi father was cremated at huge public expense instead of being
exposed at a Tower of Silence.
If there is any person here who is competent enough to draft a
"responsible" RTI request to know the religion and caste of Sonia
Gandhi or Rahul Gandhi, please discuss it, or I shall withdraw this
challenge and mark it up as a loss against this group and a win for
me.
Sarbajit
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