Re: [HumJanenge] SONIA GANDHI-RELIGION- RTI challenges

Dear Sarabjit
You may not be incorrect, & I have seen the link sent by you
for which I am thankful to you.
But what ever is there, it belongs to old stories, when Col.
Olcot and Madam Blavetsky were strongly criticised by people on all
this. But now things are different and is completely changed. May be
that you never been member of inner group( which you call secret),
otherwise you would not have written to me like this.
But any way as you also have written that this is not the
forum to discuss all these, let us close here the matter.
Now again let us talk on the common man and on RTI.
As I wrote to you earlier, I as an Advocate am fighting
cases & appearing at Supreme court for many poor who lost their
money with a company-Bank as also am engaged in helping people on
cases filed under RTI.
Regards
Dr JN Sharma

On 12/14/10, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Dr Sharma
>
> Your are wrong on virtually every point and your post is a careful
> pastiche of fact, fiction and deception. BUT, this is not the forum to
> discuss it.
>
> For your convenience I am citing a link, but as is normal with
> cultists you are programmed to disregard these.
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coues.htm
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
> <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> THANKS DEAR ROY YOU HAVE CORRECTED ME. BUT IN THEOSOPHICAL LITERATURE
>> HIS NAME FIGURES.
>> This is good that you have given lot of information on it
>> That is why credit goes to Guru Ravindranath Tagore for
>> introducing Theosophy in his University, which still is being taught
>> there.
>> Guru Ravindra nath Tagore's name also figures in Esperanto
>> literature too, which is an international Language ( UNO has accepted
>> it )and Mr SS Pal of Calcutta , who is Vice President of Esperanto
>> Federation of India, is running a school for teaching the language.
>>
>> Guru Tagore believed in the International language and
>> several foreign languages are also taught in Vihwabharti.
>>
>> I knew that you must be from Bengal, & will talk of
>> Adi Brahmo Samaj as a religion, that is why I highlighted on Theosophy
>> which believes in all religions of the world, including Brahmo Samaj
>> Religion.
>> The Esperanto & Theosophy have one goal ALONE like other
>> GROUPS BASED ON WORLD PEACE:
>> UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD
>> So Theosophy is not a religion, which was established
>> by Col. Olcot of USA & Madam H.B. Blavatsky of Russia & the
>> Theosophy embraces all religions of the world including Brahmo samaj.
>> May be Theosophy and Brahmo samaj not tallying on
>> few of the facts, as you said but I have never come about any such
>> differences between the two as I have remained for several years in
>> Bengal.
>> The members of Brahmo samaj have every right to become
>> member of Theosophical Society and in my knowledge there is none who
>> opposed theosophy.
>>
>> In my view there can not be any difference between the
>> two or any other group or samaj.
>> Now it is 135 years, after establishing of the
>> Theos. Society, in 1875 and later shifted as International Hq. at
>> Chennai.
>>
>> Yes to some extent you may be correct that worship is
>> secretly done where Mahatma KootHumi, and other Mahatma's picture are
>> kept.
>> I may correct you that to join that secret group of Mahatma
>> Kuthumi & other Mahatma, a member is allowed if he has completed
>> membership of Theos society for three years.
>> You may also be correct that many members of the
>> Nehru-gandhi Parivar are/were members of theos Society.
>> But it is misconception of a few & it is not a foreign
>> society as it was shifted from New york to Chennai after say about
>> five years say in 1890.
>> Many more misapprehensions, about the role of
>> Theosophical. society, in attaining independence they are not correct
>> nor it is correct that it had foreign spies.
>>
>> I have to further state that I have not talked about Mrs
>> Sonia Gandhi at all nor about her religion or politics.
>>
>> I believe that matter relating to politics should not be
>> discussed under RTI group and if I find that she is against the RTI
>> movement/ empowerment, I will be the first person to raise my voice.
>> Members know me that so many mails against this Govt.
>> has been sent by me who want SC Judges to be kept out side the ambit
>> of RTI.
>> Be sure for RTI I am with you and as also with all
>> organisations which are fighting for its empowerment.
>> As such I do not want to discuss any religion or
>> politics under our group.
>> Earlier also I never had discussed about religion or
>> politics under this group or other groups.
>> Regards
>> DrJN Sharma
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/10, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Dr Sharma
>>>
>>> I do not want to discuss religion on this group but RTI. My interest
>>> in Sonia's religion is only to the extent it concerns RTI, decision of
>>> P&H HC and the destruction/suppression of dox
>>> which people are requesting in RTI.
>>>
>>> I can straight away correct you that Rabindranath Tagore was
>>> interested in Theosophy or a believer in all religions. He was not. He
>>> was the President of the Adi Brahmo Samaj which is a religion in its
>>> own right (today the 9th largest religion of India with about 11
>>> million adherents) and occasionally attended Theosophy meetings as an
>>> invitee under his legal obligation to the Brahmic Trust Deed of 1830
>>> drafted by his grandfather Dwarkanath Tagore.
>>>
>>> In any case if you go through the old records of the Theosophy Society
>>> available online, you will find that Theosophy does not tally with
>>> Brahmo religion and the theological principles are quite opposed.
>>>
>>> Theosophy was only taught (as an elective) after the Congress Govt
>>> took over VishwaBharati. Theosophy in any case is only a front for
>>> FreeMasons and other devil worship secret (KootHumi) societies. Many
>>> members of the Nehru-gandhi Parivar are/were members of such foreign
>>> organisations opposed to true independence for India/Indians. HPB,
>>> Annie Besant etc
>>> were foreign spies of the highest degree, and a former Law Minister of
>>> India publicly
>>> declares on his party website that Ms Sonia(?) Gandhi is another in the
>>> line.
>>>
>>> Hence it is quite understandable why you (as a theosophist) do not
>>> want Sonia Gandhi's religion to be exposed, - because she has none.
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> On 12/13/10, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Sarabjit
>>>> I do not want to discourage any one who is interested that Mrs
>>>> Sonia Gandhi may TELL THAT WHAT RELIGION SHE BELONGS TO.
>>>>
>>>> I NEVER HATE ANY RELIGION, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT OF
>>>> THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, AT LUCKNOW AND AM A MEMBER SINCE 1966.
>>>>
>>>> You will be surprised to know that THEOSOPHY IS ONE OF THE
>>>> SUBJECT BEING TAUGHT IN VISHWABHARTI UNIVERSITY, SHANTINEKETAN,
>>>> W.BENGAL and There is no other university in our country nor even in
>>>> the whole world where THEOSOPHY is being taught as a subject. Shri
>>>> Ravindra Nath Tagore, was too a believer in all religion and that is
>>>> why he introduced THEOSOPHY IN HIS VISHWABHARTI UNVERSITY.
>>>> I have been teaching at shantiniketan, West Bengal. I also
>>>> had met Mr B L Bhattachrya, who is the Secretary Federation of
>>>> Theosohical Society, Calcutta, W. Bengal.
>>>>
>>>> Though Dr Annie Besant who also was a britisher, but
>>>> despite this she was also President of Congress party. She has
>>>> contributed a lot to the Indian society and worked as if she was a
>>>> hindu, & she wrote a book on Gita and several hundred of other
>>>> books, including, upanishad, on Karma Theory etc. & ALSO WORK FOR THE
>>>> EDUCATION OF CHILDREN.
>>>>
>>>> In 1890 a meeting of the international group of
>>>> Theosophical Society was held at International headquarter ADYAR
>>>> Chennai, where it was decided to work for the independence of India
>>>> from the clutches of British Govt.
>>>> The meeting was presided by Dr Annie Besent and Lord Hume
>>>> ( who too was a britisher BUT WHOLE HEARTEDLY WORKED FOR FREEDOM OF
>>>> INDIA), Dada Bhoy Naorozi and many others were present. May be that
>>>> this was first meeting where role of Theosophical Society and the
>>>> Congress party was assigned for freedom of our nation.
>>>> Dr A.P. Sinnet, who too was a britisher and was Editor of
>>>> Pioneer news paper, at Lucknow & had also played role for our
>>>> country's freedom.
>>>> SO I DO NOT WANT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DEBATE ON REGION OF
>>>> SONIA GANDHI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/9/10, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> This is the first in a series of simple RTI challenges.
>>>>> As the series progresses the challenge gets tougher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently the Punjab High Court disallowed a former IGP
>>>>> from accessing Sonia's Gandhi's "religion" which she
>>>>> had (supposedly) declared in her Census returns.
>>>>> Disclosure of census data/ information is explicitly
>>>>> barred in the Census Act.
>>>>>
>>>>> My RTI Challenge;
>>>>> How to access Sonia Gandhi's "religion" using RTI ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please post strategies to this thread. Then we shall
>>>>> implement it in practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> NB: Please don't change the topic of this thread
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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