Saturday, January 8, 2011

Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]

Constitution should be ammended so that it provide for strigent penalty for dereliction of duty, disobedience to the Constitution or violation of the provisions of Constitution,then only there will be some meaning to the constitution.

L.A.

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:26:45 +0530 wrote
>Dear Leslie & others,

That is an obscene ex-pression which every gentleman or lady should not employ it.

For historical knowledge & by acafdemic interest the ex-pression is

JAB KISMAT GAANDU HAI; PAANDU KYA KAREGA

However, you are wrong Leslie, Indian Constitution & laws enacted by parliament are excellent. In any democracy the people should be vigilent so that Democracy functions.therwise the Government installed by people goes astray.

The only drawback I find in the Constitution isthat is does not provide for any penalty for derelictiomn of duty, disobedience to the Constitution or violation of the provisions of Constitution, violation of fundamental or human rights of citizens by Constitutional functionaries(authorities) except one has to use provisions of IPC 1860 or The Human Rights Protection Act 1993. The functionaries who are empowered to penalise are appointed by the "State" as defined by Art. 12 of the Constitution hence, cannot afford to displease the state.

Only an impeachment by majority of people of India may do the job. This for the time being is a "WISHFUL THINKING"
>
Law is equal to all:

Read Art 14 of the Constitutionof India.


Right to Equality
Art. 14. The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. Definition. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights. 6 Equality before law.


Art. 13. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.

For appointment of Information Commissioner section 4(c&d) of RTI Act 2005 apply
Section
4






(c.)publish all relevant facts while formulating important policies or announcing the decisions which affect public;


(d)provide reasons for its administrative or quasi-judicial decisions to affected persons.

All politicians, Sonia Gandhi. Manmohan Singh, Vajpayee, Advani, Modi are all public servannts. Let us reconvince ourselves that we are a secular democratic republic& not subjects in colonial rule. Although by paradox & by our own follies, in practice situation is to the contrary.


Regards,
WEDS
>


From: leslie almeida
>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>Cc: wilevades@yahoo.co.uk
>Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 8:19:23
>Subject: Re: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>
>Jab Kahun hai Gandu too kai are Pandu
>
>Law is not equal to all citizens, Politicians have imunity, so they do what they want, example of Ramanand Thiwari's case, Being appointed a State information commissioner of Mumbai by none other than Chief minister, dy ch.minster and an person from the opposition, who are also corrupt. Whay Justice can a citizen get, although can of worms are begining to open up it will take a hurculian task to clean up the act,Constitution should be amended so that every citizen
is equally in the eyes of Law, no imunity to Beauracats and Politicians, will our P.M. or Sonia do it, the answer is NO reason if they do so how will they generate funds for elections.
>its sad to note that corruption is also creeping in some of our churches.
>
>Mr Leslie Almeida
>Volunter St. Andrew Church RTI helpline Bandra Mumbai
>
>On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:21:14 +0530 wrote
>>Dear all,
>
>I am reminded of a saying" Law is an ass(donkey)"
>
>Regards,
>WEDS
>>
>
>>
>
>
>From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
>>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>Cc: acfanand@gmail.com
>>Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 12:56:50
>>Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>>
>>Dear WED,Vikramsimha & Annad
>> It is a great case revealed by Annad and being an Advocate
>>Rajappa may like to Cross examine the prosecution Witnesses himself.
>>May be that some Criminal Lawyer join him to cross
examine
>>prosecution witnesses.Good lawyer can save him from the punishment. I
>>hope Rajappa is trying to be bailed out, because then he can do more
>>labour to search case law. A fellow colleague advocate can better
>>cross examine
>the witnesses. I do not know about all this, if Rajappa
>>has done so.
>> I remember a case of my advocate colleague against whom a
>>case u/s 307 IPC was pending. After bail, he prepared a written
>>arguments of several hundred pages to be filed before session trial
>>court, for which he kept busy in the Library and hundreds of case law
>>were quoted by him which took several months and ultimately, he was
>>released of charges u/s 307.
>> One can say that he was lucky enough. May be Rajappa may
>>also be released, if proper cross examining is done. Only one thing is
>>to be seen that the murdered person too was an Advocate.
>>God may bless
all.
>>Dr JN Sharma
>> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>
>>On 1/8/11, Vikram Simha wrote:
>>> Ofcourse , Nothing , As One lady in KRIA KATTE argued before me Long Ago on
>>> Such Mails "if you donot Putting such mails on Board --- you Are Depriving
>>> all others of the information & offcourse IOnformation is Power ". On Ground
>>> reality Bangalore mirror is Available only in Bangalore City
>>> Yes , Any Body Can Land up in Jail any Time and your time can be put to best
>>> use
>>>
>>> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , :
>>>
>>>
>>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>>> Subject: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 5:00
>AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Anand S,
>>>
>>> Despite
being accused of Murder, Rajappas' Fundamental & Human Rights are
>>> not abrogated. RTI is a fundamental & human right.
>>>
>>> What do you propse by this mail?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> WEDS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Anand acf
>>> To: vishva-kannada-samaja ; hrm
>>> ; citizens-action-forum
>>> ; rti4empowerment
>>> ; humjanenge
>>> Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 21:39:47
>>> Subject: [rti4empowerment]
>>>
>>> Murder accused studies his case in jail
>>>
>>> Rajappa used RTI to source a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of
>>> murdering fellow-advocate and girlfriend. He's busy poring over the
>>> pages
>>>
>>>
http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/20110104201101040728583578604ccf/Murder-accused-studies-his-case-in-jail.html
>>>
>>> Lodged inside Parappana Agrahara jail, S L Rajappa, an undertrial, has
>>> managed to obtain a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of murdering
>>> his fellow advocate and girl friend Naveena, using the Right to
>>> Information Act (RTI). He says he got the chargesheet to equip himself
>>> with the facts of the case.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajappa
>>> The case relates to the murder of advocate Naveena by Rajappa inside
>>> the Karnataka High Court on July 8, 2010, in front of court hall
>>> number 4. Rajappa, an advocate, stabbed J S Naveena, another advocate
>>> and slit her neck right in front of some other advocates. He then fled
>>> the spot. An onlooker gave him chase, but he entered a toilet and
>>>
locked himself up.
>>>
>>> Policemen on
>duty at the high court broke open the door of the toilet
>>> to find Rajappa attempting to kill himself. He had injured himself in
>>> the chest and neck, and was shifted to hospital. Naveena's colleagues
>>> attempted to save her, but her wounds were so grievous that she died a
>>> few minutes after the incident.
>>>
>>> After spending many months in hospital, Rajappa was shifted to
>>> Bangalore Central Jail. As he still can't walk properly, he has been
>>> admitted to the hospital inside the jail.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, he has equipped himself with four CrPC and IPC legal books
>>> and the chargesheet and is preparing for the hearing which will began
>>> shortly. The jail ward has become a study room for him. He keeps
>>> himself busy studying the case in detail and making notes from
the
>>> legal books provided by his friends.
>>>
>>> Robe over
>>> The Vidhana Soudha police have
>completed investigations and have
>>> chargesheeted him. As the incident occurred in broad daylight in front
>>> of many people, investigations were that much easier for the police.
>>> The police feel they have a strong chargesheet as they have four
>>> eyewitnesses, a confessional statement and circumstantial evidence
>>> which proves beyond doubt that Rajappa committed the crime.
>>>
>>> The police have even filed the transcript of a 200-page conversation
>>> between Rajappa and Naveena which further strengthens the case. So
>>> Rajappa, who has accessed the transcripts, is busy readying himself to
>>> face a series of questions by the prosecution.
>>>
>>> "Whenever I see Rajappa, he is busy reading one or the other book.
He
>>> has got a few legal books in his ward and is seen marking the books or
>>> writing on notepads. I have also seen him studying the chargesheet,"
>>> said a jail
>official.
>>> Still In Jail hospital
>>> "It is true that he is busy reading legal books. As there are
>>> thousands of prisoners, I don't know much about him. But I know that
>>> he is in the jail hospital and he has many legal books and that he is
>>> always reading," said the jail's chief superintendent M C
>>> Vishvanathaiah.
>>>
>>> Sources say the hearing of the case will begin shortly.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Anand S.
>>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>>> Bangalore 560 085.
>>> Cell No. +91-92410-12730
begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+91-92410-12730end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Reply: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Dear Bhimani, Vaghela & others,
 
Ministry of Home affairs Government of India overseas The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC)
I had filed 3 complaints to NHRC on my Human Right violations against M.B.Nagraj, Dy Superintendent of Police Udupi, V.Ponnuraj I.A.S Dy. Commissioner Udupi, P Hemalatha I.A.S. Dy Commissioner, Udupi . Instead of enquiring into them,
 
The complaints were forwarded to DG& IG, The Karnataka State Police, Bangalore, Chief Secretary, Government of Karnataka stating that complaints are forwarded, you may take any action you deem fit.  Any avtion is no action. Owing to compulsions of life I could not pursur them. Now they are in limbo.
 
About RTI application for disclosure under section 4 of RTI act 2005 I propse  that all of us should post individual applications to President, Prime Minister, CJI of Supreme Court, All CJ of High Courts and the rest. This information is a ,mandatory disclosure by Public Authorities. So applicant need not pay any charges except Rs.. 10 application fee. The information should be disclosed in website of Public Authorities.
 
For sol;idarity we ,may send RTI applications to places whereothers have filed these aplications too.
 
If in agreement, I shall send a draft which can be augmented or abridged.
 
Reply me soon.
 
WEDS

From: bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com; Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Cc: wilevades@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 5:09:32
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Dear Babubhai and WEDS
 
Yes I do agree with WEDS, strict implementation of sec. 4 of RTI must be our TOP PRIORITY


 
Bimal Khemani
RTI activist
ALIGARH-202001
INDIA
Mob:935-972-4625


--- On Sat, 8/1/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Vaghela B D" <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 9:44 PM

Dear Vaghela,

"Already our minister both in the states as well as in the union are just as too many cooks have spoiled the broth"
 
Instead of  all these there is a simpler method that is all of us should coordinate, not by establishing an apex organisation but, by tactical vcoordination.
 
First & foremost, we have to ensure that every Public authority discloses the total information that it is bound to do so as per section 4 of RTI Act 2005, Information Commissioner should be appionted strictly conforming to section 12(5) & 15(5) of RTI Act 2005 & people to be informed before their appointment as per section 4(1)(c&d) of that Act.
 
This disclosure under section 4 should be applicable without exemption
 to begin from President's Office, Priminister's Office, State Governor's Office, CJI of Supreme Court & CJ of High Court.
 
If this is ensured there will not be any HR or FR violations.
 
Are yiu in agreement? If yes, I shall suggest how.
 
Regards,
WEDS

From: Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 15:19:55
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Dear All,

Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Should we ask Prime Minister / President of India to post Human Rights Minister for India as we have none so far?

Will having Union Human Rights Minister help control & reduce blatant HR violations taking place in India?

Can we suggest that Mr A P Shah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Ajit_Prakash_Shah) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to his acceptance?

Can we suggest that Mrs Kiran Bedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kiran_Bedi) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to her acceptance?

Can we suggest any other competent person of proven track record & impeccable integrity to be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister? 

I seek your considered views.


Regards,

-- 
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M -  94276 08632
http://twitter.com/ BabubhaiVaghela
About me in Annexure at - http://bit.ly/9xsHFj
http://www.youtube.com/user/ vaghelabd
(Administrator - Google Group - Right to Information Act 2005)
http://groups.google.com/ group/Right-to-Information- Act-2005/about?hl=en




Reply: [rti4empowerment]

Dear Leslie & others,
 
That is an obscene expression which every gentleman or lady should not employ it.
 
For historical  knowledge & by acafdemic interest the expression is
 
JAB KISMAT GAANDU HAI; PAANDU KYA KAREGA
 
However,  you are wrong Leslie, Indian Constitution & laws enacted by parliament are excellent. In any democracy the people should be vigilent so that Democracy functions.therwise the Government installed by people goes astray.
 
The only drawback I find in the Constitution is that is does not provide for any penalty  for derelictiomn of duty, disobedience to the Constitution or violation of the provisions of Constitution, violation of fundamental or human rights of citizens by Constitutional functionaries(authorities) except one has to use provisions of IPC 1860 or The Human Rights Protection Act 1993. The functionaries who are empowered to penalise are appointed by the "State" as defined by Art. 12 of the Constitution hence, cannot afford to displease the state.
 
Only an impeachment by majority of people of India may do the job. This for the time being is a "WISHFUL THINKING"
Law is equal to all:
 
Read Art 14 of the Constitutionof India.
 

Right to Equality

Art. 14. The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. Definition. Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of the fundamental rights. 6 Equality before law.

 

Art. 13. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.

 
For appointment of Information Commissioner section 4(c&d) of RTI Act 2005 apply
Section
4

(c.) publish all relevant facts while formulating important policies or announcing the decisions which affect public;

(d)provide reasons for its administrative or quasi-judicial decisions to affected persons.

 
All politicians, Sonia Gandhi. Manmohan Singh, Vajpayee, Advani, Modi are all public servannts. Let us reconvince ourselves that we are  a secular democratic republic & not subjects in colonial rule. Although by paradox & by our own follies, in practice situation is to the contrary.
 
 
Regards,
WEDS

From: leslie almeida <leslie_almeida@rediffmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Cc: wilevades@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 8:19:23
Subject: Re: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]

Jab Kahun hai Gandu too kai are Pandu

Law is not equal to all citizens, Politicians have imunity, so they do what they want, example of Ramanand Thiwari's case, Being appointed a State information commissioner of Mumbai by none other than Chief minister, dy ch.minster and an person from the opposition, who are also corrupt. Whay Justice can a citizen get, although can of worms are begining to open up it will take a hurculian task to clean up the act,Constitution should be amended so that every citizen is equally in the eyes of Law, no imunity to Beauracats and Politicians, will our P.M. or Sonia do it, the answer is NO reason if they do so how will they generate funds for elections.
its sad to note that corruption is also creeping in some of our churches.

Mr Leslie Almeida
Volunter St. Andrew Church RTI helpline Bandra Mumbai

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:21:14 +0530 wrote
>Dear all,

I am reminded of a saying" Law is an ass(donkey)"

Regards,
WEDS
>

>


From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>Cc: acfanand@gmail.com
>Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 12:56:50
>Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>
>Dear WED,Vikramsimha & Annad
> It is a great case revealed by Annad and being an Advocate
>Rajappa may like to Cross examine the prosecution Witnesses himself.
>May be that some Criminal Lawyer join him to cross examine
>prosecution witnesses.Good lawyer can save him from the punishment. I
>hope Rajappa is trying to be bailed out, because then he can do more
>labour to search case law. A fellow colleague advocate can better
>cross examine
the witnesses. I do not know about all this, if Rajappa
>has done so.
> I remember a case of my advocate colleague against whom a
>case u/s 307 IPC was pending. After bail, he prepared a written
>arguments of several hundred pages to be filed before session trial
>court, for which he kept busy in the Library and hundreds of case law
>were quoted by him which took several months and ultimately, he was
>released of charges u/s 307.
> One can say that he was lucky enough. May be Rajappa may
>also be released, if proper cross examining is done. Only one thing is
>to be seen that the murdered person too was an Advocate.
>God may bless all.
>Dr JN Sharma
> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>
>On 1/8/11, Vikram Simha wrote:
>> Ofcourse , Nothing , As One lady in KRIA KATTE argued before me Long Ago on
>> Such Mails "if you donot Putting such mails on Board --- you Are Depriving
>> all others of the information & offcourse IOnformation is Power ". On Ground
>> reality Bangalore mirror is Available only in Bangalore City
>> Yes , Any Body Can Land up in Jail any Time and your time can be put to best
>> use
>>
>> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , :
>>
>>
>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>> Subject: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 5:00
AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Anand S,
>>
>> Despite being accused of Murder, Rajappas' Fundamental & Human Rights are
>> not abrogated. RTI is a fundamental & human right.
>>
>> What do you propse by this mail?
>>
>> Regards,
>> WEDS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Anand acf
>> To: vishva-kannada-samaja ; hrm
>> ; citizens-action-forum
>> ; rti4empowerment
>> ; humjanenge
>> Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 21:39:47
>> Subject: [rti4empowerment]
>>
>> Murder accused studies his case in jail
>>
>> Rajappa used RTI to source a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of
>> murdering fellow-advocate and girlfriend. He's busy poring over the
>> pages
>>
>> http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/20110104201101040728583578604ccf/Murder-accused-studies-his-case-in-jail.html
>>
>> Lodged inside Parappana Agrahara jail, S L Rajappa, an undertrial, has
>> managed to obtain a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of murdering
>> his fellow advocate and girl friend Naveena, using the Right to
>> Information Act (RTI). He says he got the chargesheet to equip himself
>> with the facts of the case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rajappa
>> The case relates to the murder of advocate Naveena by Rajappa inside
>> the Karnataka High Court on July 8, 2010, in front of court hall
>> number 4. Rajappa, an advocate, stabbed J S Naveena, another advocate
>> and slit her neck right in front of some other advocates. He then fled
>> the spot. An onlooker gave him chase, but he entered a toilet and
>> locked himself up.
>>
>> Policemen on
duty at the high court broke open the door of the toilet
>> to find Rajappa attempting to kill himself. He had injured himself in
>> the chest and neck, and was shifted to hospital. Naveena's colleagues
>> attempted to save her, but her wounds were so grievous that she died a
>> few minutes after the incident.
>>
>> After spending many months in hospital, Rajappa was shifted to
>> Bangalore Central Jail. As he still can't walk properly, he has been
>> admitted to the hospital inside the jail.
>>
>> Meanwhile, he has equipped himself with four CrPC and IPC legal books
>> and the chargesheet and is preparing for the hearing which will began
>> shortly. The jail ward has become a study room for him. He keeps
>> himself busy studying the case in detail and making notes from the
>> legal books provided by his friends.
>>
>> Robe over
>> The Vidhana Soudha police have
completed investigations and have
>> chargesheeted him. As the incident occurred in broad daylight in front
>> of many people, investigations were that much easier for the police.
>> The police feel they have a strong chargesheet as they have four
>> eyewitnesses, a confessional statement and circumstantial evidence
>> which proves beyond doubt that Rajappa committed the crime.
>>
>> The police have even filed the transcript of a 200-page conversation
>> between Rajappa and Naveena which further strengthens the case. So
>> Rajappa, who has accessed the transcripts, is busy readying himself to
>> face a series of questions by the prosecution.
>>
>> "Whenever I see Rajappa, he is busy reading one or the other book. He
>> has got a few legal books in his ward and is seen marking the books or
>> writing on notepads. I have also seen him studying the chargesheet,"
>> said a jail
official.
>> Still In Jail hospital
>> "It is true that he is busy reading legal books. As there are
>> thousands of prisoners, I don't know much about him. But I know that
>> he is in the jail hospital and he has many legal books and that he is
>> always reading," said the jail's chief superintendent M C
>> Vishvanathaiah.
>>
>> Sources say the hearing of the case will begin shortly.
>>
>> --
>> Anand S.
>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> Bangalore 560 085.
>> Cell No. +91-92410-12730 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+91-92410-12730end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>






Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

subject does not match with discussion. 4 future convienence, v sld b careful. imp of sec 4 will drastically number of rti applns & wikk bring true transtrancy.

--- On Sun, 9/1/11, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Vaghela B D" <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Cc: wilevades@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sunday, 9 January, 2011, 5:09 AM

Dear Babubhai and WEDS
 
Yes I do agree with WEDS, strict implementation of sec. 4 of RTI must be our TOP PRIORITY


 
Bimal Khemani
RTI activist
ALIGARH-202001
INDIA
Mob:935-972-4625


--- On Sat, 8/1/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Vaghela B D" <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 9:44 PM

Dear Vaghela,

"Already our minister both in the states as well as in the union are just as too many cooks have spoiled the broth"
 
Instead of  all these there is a simpler method that is all of us should coordinate, not by establishing an apex organisation but, by tactical vcoordination.
 
First & foremost, we have to ensure that every Public authority discloses the total information that it is bound to do so as per section 4 of RTI Act 2005, Information Commissioner should be appionted strictly conforming to section 12(5) & 15(5) of RTI Act 2005 & people to be informed before their appointment as per section 4(1)(c&d) of that Act.
 
This disclosure under section 4 should be applicable without exemption
 to begin from President's Office, Priminister's Office, State Governor's Office, CJI of Supreme Court & CJ of High Court.
 
If this is ensured there will not be any HR or FR violations.
 
Are yiu in agreement? If yes, I shall suggest how.
 
Regards,
WEDS

From: Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 15:19:55
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Dear All,

Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Should we ask Prime Minister / President of India to post Human Rights Minister for India as we have none so far?

Will having Union Human Rights Minister help control & reduce blatant HR violations taking place in India?

Can we suggest that Mr A P Shah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Ajit_Prakash_Shah) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to his acceptance?

Can we suggest that Mrs Kiran Bedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kiran_Bedi) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to her acceptance?

Can we suggest any other competent person of proven track record & impeccable integrity to be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister? 

I seek your considered views.


Regards,

-- 
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M -  94276 08632
http://twitter.com/ BabubhaiVaghela
About me in Annexure at - http://bit.ly/9xsHFj
http://www.youtube.com/user/ vaghelabd
(Administrator - Google Group - Right to Information Act 2005)
http://groups.google.com/ group/Right-to-Information- Act-2005/about?hl=en




Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?

Sirs, (1) If a Widow is paradaded Naked in village or a Boy is Chained to Tractor & Dragged or unthinkable Physical Torture take place in Police Custody, or Rape take place in Police Custody, how the mandatory RTI compliance would help? (2) Ministers are ineffective & we know it. Why do we have Prime Minister Chief Minister Finance Minister Home Minister....I just wonder. Babubhai

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 05:09 IST bimal khemani wrote:

>Dear Babubhai and WEDS

>Yes I do agree with WEDS, strict implementation of sec. 4 of RTI must be our TOP PRIORITY
>
>

>Bimal Khemani
>RTI activist
>ALIGARH-202001
>INDIA
>Mob:935-972-4625
>
>--- On Sat, 8/1/11, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Vaghela B D" <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
>Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 9:44 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Dear Vaghela,
>
>"Already our minister both in the states as well as in the union are just as too many cooks have spoiled the broth"

>Instead of  all these there is a simpler method that is all of us should coordinate, not by establishing an apex organisation but, by tactical vcoordination.

>First & foremost, we have to ensure that every Public authority discloses the total information that it is bound to do so as per section 4 of RTI Act 2005, Information Commissioner should be appionted strictly conforming to section 12(5) & 15(5) of RTI Act 2005 & people to be informed before their appointment as per section 4(1)(c&d) of that Act.

>This disclosure under section 4 should be applicable without exemption
> to begin from President's Office, Priminister's Office, State Governor's Office, CJI of Supreme Court & CJ of High Court.

>If this is ensured there will not be any HR or FR violations.

>Are yiu in agreement? If yes, I shall suggest how.

>Regards,
>WEDS
>
>
>From: Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 15:19:55
>Subject: [rti4empowerment] Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
>
>
>
>
>
>Dear All,
>
>
>Should India have Union Human Rights Minister?
>
>
>
>Should we ask Prime Minister / President of India to post Human Rights Minister for India as we have none so far?
>
>
>Will having Union Human Rights Minister help control & reduce blatant HR violations taking place in India?
>
>
>Can we suggest that Mr A P Shah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Ajit_Prakash_Shah) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to his acceptance?
>
>
>Can we suggest that Mrs Kiran Bedi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kiran_Bedi) be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister subject to her acceptance?
>
>
>Can we suggest any other competent person of proven track record & impeccable integrity to be posted as the 1st Union Human Rights Minister? 
>
>
>I seek your considered views.
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>-- 
>(Babubhai Vaghela)
>C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
>M -  94276 08632
>http://twitter.com/ BabubhaiVaghela
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>http://groups.google.com/ group/Right-to-Information- Act-2005/about?hl=en
>
>
>

Re: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]

Jab Kahun hai Gandu too kai are Pandu

Law is not equal to all citizens, Politicians have imunity, so they do what they want, example of Ramanand Thiwari's case, Being appointed a State information commissioner of Mumbai by none other than Chief minister, dy ch.minster and an person from the opposition, who are also corrupt. Whay Justice can a citizen get, although can of worms are begining to open up it will take a hurculian task to clean up the act,Constitution should be amended so that every citizen is equally in the eyes of Law, no imunity to Beauracats and Politicians, will our P.M. or Sonia do it, the answer is NO reason if they do so how will they generate funds for elections.
its sad to note that corruption is also creeping in some of our churches.

Mr Leslie Almeida
Volunter St. Andrew Church RTI helpline Bandra Mumbai

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:21:14 +0530 wrote
>Dear all,

I am reminded of a saying" Law is an ass(donkey)"

Regards,
WEDS
>

>


From: Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
>To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>Cc: acfanand@gmail.com
>Sent: Sat, 8 January, 2011 12:56:50
>Subject: Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>
>Dear WED,Vikramsimha & Annad
> It is a great case revealed by Annad and being an Advocate
>Rajappa may like to Cross examine the prosecution Witnesses himself.
>May be that some Criminal Lawyer join him to cross examine
>prosecution witnesses.Good lawyer can save him from the punishment. I
>hope Rajappa is trying to be bailed out, because then he can do more
>labour to search case law. A fellow colleague advocate can better
>cross examine
the witnesses. I do not know about all this, if Rajappa
>has done so.
> I remember a case of my advocate colleague against whom a
>case u/s 307 IPC was pending. After bail, he prepared a written
>arguments of several hundred pages to be filed before session trial
>court, for which he kept busy in the Library and hundreds of case law
>were quoted by him which took several months and ultimately, he was
>released of charges u/s 307.
> One can say that he was lucky enough. May be Rajappa may
>also be released, if proper cross examining is done. Only one thing is
>to be seen that the murdered person too was an Advocate.
>God may bless all.
>Dr JN Sharma
> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>
>On 1/8/11, Vikram Simha wrote:
>> Ofcourse , Nothing , As One lady in KRIA KATTE argued before me Long Ago on
>> Such Mails "if you donot Putting such mails on Board --- you Are Depriving
>> all others of the information & offcourse IOnformation is Power ". On Ground
>> reality Bangalore mirror is Available only in Bangalore City
>> Yes , Any Body Can Land up in Jail any Time and your time can be put to best
>> use
>>
>> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , :
>>
>>
>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
>> Subject: Reply: [rti4empowerment]
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 5:00
AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Anand S,
>>
>> Despite being accused of Murder, Rajappas' Fundamental & Human Rights are
>> not abrogated. RTI is a fundamental & human right.
>>
>> What do you propse by this mail?
>>
>> Regards,
>> WEDS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Anand acf
>> To: vishva-kannada-samaja ; hrm
>> ; citizens-action-forum
>> ; rti4empowerment
>> ; humjanenge
>> Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 21:39:47
>> Subject: [rti4empowerment]
>>
>> Murder accused studies his case in jail
>>
>> Rajappa used RTI to source a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of
>> murdering fellow-advocate and girlfriend. He's busy poring over the
>> pages
>>
>> http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/20110104201101040728583578604ccf/Murder-accused-studies-his-case-in-jail.html
>>
>> Lodged inside Parappana Agrahara jail, S L Rajappa, an undertrial, has
>> managed to obtain a copy of the chargesheet accusing him of murdering
>> his fellow advocate and girl friend Naveena, using the Right to
>> Information Act (RTI). He says he got the chargesheet to equip himself
>> with the facts of the case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rajappa
>> The case relates to the murder of advocate Naveena by Rajappa inside
>> the Karnataka High Court on July 8, 2010, in front of court hall
>> number 4. Rajappa, an advocate, stabbed J S Naveena, another advocate
>> and slit her neck right in front of some other advocates. He then fled
>> the spot. An onlooker gave him chase, but he entered a toilet and
>> locked himself up.
>>
>> Policemen on
duty at the high court broke open the door of the toilet
>> to find Rajappa attempting to kill himself. He had injured himself in
>> the chest and neck, and was shifted to hospital. Naveena's colleagues
>> attempted to save her, but her wounds were so grievous that she died a
>> few minutes after the incident.
>>
>> After spending many months in hospital, Rajappa was shifted to
>> Bangalore Central Jail. As he still can't walk properly, he has been
>> admitted to the hospital inside the jail.
>>
>> Meanwhile, he has equipped himself with four CrPC and IPC legal books
>> and the chargesheet and is preparing for the hearing which will began
>> shortly. The jail ward has become a study room for him. He keeps
>> himself busy studying the case in detail and making notes from the
>> legal books provided by his friends.
>>
>> Robe over
>> The Vidhana Soudha police have
completed investigations and have
>> chargesheeted him. As the incident occurred in broad daylight in front
>> of many people, investigations were that much easier for the police.
>> The police feel they have a strong chargesheet as they have four
>> eyewitnesses, a confessional statement and circumstantial evidence
>> which proves beyond doubt that Rajappa committed the crime.
>>
>> The police have even filed the transcript of a 200-page conversation
>> between Rajappa and Naveena which further strengthens the case. So
>> Rajappa, who has accessed the transcripts, is busy readying himself to
>> face a series of questions by the prosecution.
>>
>> "Whenever I see Rajappa, he is busy reading one or the other book. He
>> has got a few legal books in his ward and is seen marking the books or
>> writing on notepads. I have also seen him studying the chargesheet,"
>> said a jail
official.
>> Still In Jail hospital
>> "It is true that he is busy reading legal books. As there are
>> thousands of prisoners, I don't know much about him. But I know that
>> he is in the jail hospital and he has many legal books and that he is
>> always reading," said the jail's chief superintendent M C
>> Vishvanathaiah.
>>
>> Sources say the hearing of the case will begin shortly.
>>
>> --
>> Anand S.
>> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
>> Bangalore 560 085.
>> Cell No. +91-92410-12730 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+91-92410-12730end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





Re: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges

Dear Mr Abrol
 
Please see the attached documents.
 
regards n bw
 
ravi

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
TheJudges have been given the discretionary power as given to President of India, Prime Minister of India , Chief Ministers,
Ministers, Commissioners of Income Tax, Commissioner of Excise Duties, Commissioner of Customs, Salt Commissioner,
Police Officers, Police Inspectors, Public Prosecutors etc
Once a Judge is appointed can not be removed.
I have faced the problem of carrying goods in my Motor Vehicle in the year 1985 on 3rd January,1985 at Mumbai. That time Motor Vehicle
Act,1939 was in force. Under Section 42(1) the carrying the goods in any Motor Vehicle was allowed  to carry up to 4000 kilogram  in Light Motor Vehuicle
for demionstration, sale & Purchase ,but without any reward .
I had contested the case without the assistant of any Court Officere (Advocate) and was able get the order in 6 months.
After the Commemcement of Motor Vehicle Act,1888, again I had faced the similar issue.
I contested the matter.This time I took the assistant of Court Officer(Advocate). I was able to get the order after three years.
I contested one more issue in the year 1992. I contested the matter all alone without the assistant of the Court Officer (Advocate).I received
the order in Five Years in my favour.
I was arrested on 31st July1994 on flimsy ground without any authority of law prevailing in the country.I took the assistant of Court Officer (Advocate)
It took more than 18 years and I had been convicted 13 months. 
I had to challange at Session Court as they Lower Court was not having proof of arrest under the legal provision of the prevailing law in force.  

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
9820203154
rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in



From: Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 7 January, 2011 11:11:04 PM

Subject: Re: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges

Even if you narrate the process/ behavioral aspect of a Judge during the case in ur petition or submission a contermpt will be raised.
         This is my personal observation. To lie down the person to process any further.  Not only this but but also many times bad remarks are passed . I had once observed that petition was on board. Without serving any notice to other party my case was dismissed . When I saw the Judgment it was containing 4 pages. In another case it was dismissed and Judgment pages were 4 pages and irrelevant to the case!!!!
                   Even one PIL was dismissed. But the other Judge Issued order to DCP Traffic to give an affidavit to my petition. Other Judge without taking on record Affidavit in reply " Dismissed" and judgment was containing some clarification by Chief Justice  at his own !!!!!
                 This case was for Public Interest at large for towing the vehicles by Police. This is totally illegal under the Motor Vehicle Act. You go through the Provisions under Motor Vehicle Act . Such behavioral is against Public at large.!!!!!!???
God save us.
Shah D J

--- On Fri, 7/1/11, shak her <shake_lak2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shak her <shake_lak2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 6:44 AM

Dear Sir,
 
How abt Lawyers and the Bar Council in which categeroy they i;e . Public Servant, Professinals like Dr. or Auditor or Bussiness pll...?
 
B'cous if a Dr or any other persons behave impproperly before the Judge or Court they will at once will be punished as a Contempt of Law...
 
Please explain these differences...
 
Thanks
 
Shak

--- On Thu, 6/1/11, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Subject: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 6 January, 2011, 2:25 PM

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Re: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges

My experiences with the judiciary and quasi judicial organisations also confirm Mr Shah's views.
 
regards n bw
 
ravi

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:
Even if you narrate the process/ behavioral aspect of a Judge during the case in ur petition or submission a contermpt will be raised.
         This is my personal observation. To lie down the person to process any further.  Not only this but but also many times bad remarks are passed . I had once observed that petition was on board. Without serving any notice to other party my case was dismissed . When I saw the Judgment it was containing 4 pages. In another case it was dismissed and Judgment pages were 4 pages and irrelevant to the case!!!!
                   Even one PIL was dismissed. But the other Judge Issued order to DCP Traffic to give an affidavit to my petition. Other Judge without taking on record Affidavit in reply " Dismissed" and judgment was containing some clarification by Chief Justice  at his own !!!!!
                 This case was for Public Interest at large for towing the vehicles by Police. This is totally illegal under the Motor Vehicle Act. You go through the Provisions under Motor Vehicle Act . Such behavioral is against Public at large.!!!!!!???
God save us.
Shah D J

--- On Fri, 7/1/11, shak her <shake_lak2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: shak her <shake_lak2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 6:44 AM


Dear Sir,
 
How abt Lawyers and the Bar Council in which categeroy they i;e . Public Servant, Professinals like Dr. or Auditor or Bussiness pll...?
 
B'cous if a Dr or any other persons behave impproperly before the Judge or Court they will at once will be punished as a Contempt of Law...
 
Please explain these differences...
 
Thanks
 
Shak

--- On Thu, 6/1/11, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Subject: 04 - RE: [HumJanenge] public prosecutor, magistrate, high court judges, supreme court judges
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 6 January, 2011, 2:25 PM

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Re: [HumJanenge] FYI : "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan became Chairman NHRC" with unethical act of Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj...

Dear Mr Gupta
 
Please do not attach any a halo where nothing is due. Respect is given and taken. It is the conduct of the incumbants that demand respect and not any funny concept of office. First of all these office bearers should do their job honestly and correctly. Then we can think of giving their due respect. Otherwise they should get the kicks they deserve.
 
regards n bw
 
ravi
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:49 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
If some of my relative do something wrong, I should not be blamed for that till the time my involvement is suspected or proved. Posts of President, Judges and Governors have special sanctity.

--- On Sat, 8/1/11, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] FYI : "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan became Chairman NHRC" with unethical act of Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj...
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 4:49 PM


I have experrience of all Past Chief Justices of Gujarat and also Other Judges from Gujarat Cadres. They are also not exception . Jumping orders without  any affidavit and documents on record and file Judgments are given . I have proof. This is too horrible to ordinary people who comes for Justice and in the temple of Justice this is being practiced by all these people. They have opened their shops to do their businesses and not justice.

                          I have experience of  many more illuminaries of High Court of Gujarat who are worth and gave advise to do correct process in many cases!!!!!!!!!! Hats of to asll of them.
Shah D J

--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dwarakanath <dwarakanathdm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] FYI : "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan became Chairman NHRC" with unethical act of Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj...
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: "Rina Mahindra" <rina17@gmail.com>, "lalita_c" <lalita_c@indiatimes.com>, "sudhakar hegde" <sudhakarhegde733@gmail.com>, "Dhyan -" <dhyan40@hotmail.com>, yogi5050@gmail.com, "surisureshsuri23" <surisureshsuri23@yahoo.com>, shlpcb@gmail.com
Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 10:03 AM

Dear friends, It would be better to be choosy and careful about charging every one (including the on'ble President or Hon'ble Prime Minister) in our Country.  The rules of recuitment for the post of NHRC appears to be protocal that the ex-CJI only should be filled with this post.   If that is so the Prime Minister & President should initiate action to make the choice wider like recruiting other suitable and eminent persons also to be considered, thereby an allegation to the Selector can be avoided.  It is also difficult to accuse the selectors to have indulged in favouritism, if the choice left to them is a single individual.  If he is not selected, there are people who will be affected by lack of a NHRC to take care of excess committed on them.  Unless we are sure and there is enough evidence to prove that the selectors or approvers had the pre-knowledge of any malafide activity on the part of the candidate, it would not be vice to blame them.   However, the concerned authority is undertaking the investigation and if there is proof enough either way, the law should take its own course.  If inspite of evidence the law does not act, the certainly it become favouritism.  It is hoped that justice not only will be done but should also appear to hae been done.  Regards, dwarakanathdm,nbca

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,

You mention that you have protested to President about appointment of KGB   as NHRC Chairman. Is it not ironic and at the same time extremely intriguing since the person/  authority whom you have protested herself,despite having criminal background, is occupying that position by virtue of having been immunised by appointment to that post?. As much as KGB's sons & other relatives are  understood to be involved in possessing disproportionate assets
so also are president's husband and son involved in land grabing  (Even after she has become president). By the very logic KGB can be apponted as President to immunise him from present criminal background/stalemate ! In effect both are 'qualified' in height of wrong doings enough to be tied to the same bullock Cart! !

 I apologize if I have erred in my observation or offended any one

--- On Mon, 3/1/11, Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] FYI : "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan became Chairman NHRC" with unethical act of Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj...
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 3 January, 2011, 9:29 PM



--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>
Subject: "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan became Chairman NHRC" with unethical act of Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj...
To: "right-to-information-act-2005" <Right-to-Information-Act-2005@googlegroups.com>
Cc: bmfeedback@indiatimes.com, "Chairperson NHRC" <chairnhrc@nic.in>, "Cabinet Secretary to Government of India" <cabinetsy@nic.in>, "Prime Minister Govt of India" <pmosb@pmo.nic.in>, "Arun Jaitley" <ajaitley@sansad.nic.in>, "Smt Sushma Swaraj <" <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, "Help Gujarat High Court" <rg-hc-guj@nic.in>, "Help Supreme Court" <supremecourt@nic.in>, "Meira Kumar Speaker Lok Sabha Parliament" <speakerloksabha@sansad.nic.in>, "Hon'ble Vice President of India" <vpindia@sansad.nic.in>, "Smt Pratibha Patil President of India" <presidentofindia@rb.nic.in>
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 8:42 PM

Dear All,

This has reference to the media news:

"The NHRC chief must resign"


I requested Dr Manmohan Singh Mr Arun Jaitley & Smt Sushma Swaraj not to go ahead with it.

My protest in this regard to Smt Pratibha Patil is placed below which is in public domain. (http://tiny.cc/0n6hi).

Why Mr K G Balakrishnan is NHRC Head is because of morally corrupt politicians at the highest level in the country.

Someone should ask those three why do they knowingly indulge in arbitrary & illegal act violating Constitution of India.

Regards,

-- 
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M -  94276 08632

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Date: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM
Subject: "Former CJI Mr KG Balakrishnan to become Chairman NHRC" - If Dr Ambomani Ramadoss can get law enacted in a day, why BJP & UPA Govt feel shy of....
To: Arun Jaitley <ajaitley@sansad.nic.in>, Smt Sushma Swaraj <sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com>, Manmohan Singh <manmohan@sansad.nic.in>
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Dr Manmohan Singh,
Shri Arun Jaitley,
Smt Sushma Swaraj

Dear Sirs / Madam,

This has reference media news and the  valid objections that I filed - placed below.

If Dr Ambomani Ramadoss, as Union Health Minister, could get the law (AIIMS Bill) enacted by the Parliament, get it approved by the President of India & also get it implemented that too everything in a single day to remove Dr Venugopal as Director, AIIMS, New Delhi, I see no reason why the NHRC Act, requiring amendment & agreed to by the UPA Govt, could not be & cannot be amended expeditiously to allow other former CJIs also to be considered for the post of Chairperson, NHRC?

Further, if the post can remain vacant for one year, it can very well remain vacant for one more week or one more month till the NHRC Act is amended and heaven will not fall but, when Opposition Leaders in Rajya Sabha & Lok Sabha are not convinced of the selection of Mr K G Balakrishnan because only one name is proposed for consideration, why should they put self-imposed constraints on themselves and accept the situation as fait accompli?

Why should the Opposition Leaders in Rajya Sabha & Lok Sabha take the promise of the Prime Minister at face value when no time limit for amending NHRC Act is promised & particularly considering the rampant dishonesty that the UPA Govt has displayed in Corporate Governance? Is there any sanctity in the promise of the Prime Minister?

Moreover, while the reasonably longer term of five-year for NHRC Head is advisable, why it cannot be reduced permanently to four years?

And, because of the unexplained reluctance to amend NHRC Act, why should anyone be appointed at this highly crucial key position if the Selection Committee does not find the person suitable? Why should he be imposed upon the Nation of 120 Crore people? How can he be then expected to do justice to the job of protecting the human rights of the citizens?

I fail to understand as to why you people are hell bent upon knowingly & intentionally want to violate the fundamental human right of equality in the appointment of the Chairperson of National Human Rights Commission?   

What sort of precedence are you trying to set for future generation to follow? 

Would you consider it your moral duty to explain it to the citizens whom you are supposed to serve well with integrity of your actions intact?


Regards,


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New Delhi: Retired Chief Justice of India (CJI) KG Balakrishnan will be the new chairman of the national human rights commission (NHRC).

A meeting of the selection committee chaired by prime minister Manmohan Singh cleared his name on Tuesday night.

But the appointment came with a rider for the government.

BJP's Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley, who are members of the selection panel being opposition leaders in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, are reported to have expressed concern that they did not have much choice since the government proposed only Balakrishnan's name.

They consented only when the government agreed to consider amending the NHRC Act to include persons other former CJIs.

BJP is of the view that the Act should be amended as it limits the scope of selection and does not provide many options to selectors.

It provides that a former CJI alone is entitled to become NHRC chairman for five years, or till s/he retires at 70, whichever is less.

The Act says if a retiring chief justice is not immediately appointed NHRC chairman, s/he will never have a full tenure of five years.

It is because of these flaws in the Act that NHRC was without a chairman for more than a year. The government was opposed to the appointment of former CJI YK Sabharwal, who retired three years ago.

Sources told DNA the government had sent Balakrishnan's file for presidential approval. He will perhaps be the first chairman to hold the post for full five years. He retired as CJI on May 12.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_balakrishnan-will-be-new-nhrc-chairman_1391270#share


Message from vaghelabd@gmail.com:
 Dear All,
I see no reason why BJP should feel helpless and approve one name proposed by UPA Govt. Why can the NHRC Act not amended to allow other ex CJI to be considered for Chairperson NHRC?
Regards,
Babubhai Vaghela,

Ahmedabad
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