Saturday, September 26, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Major Raveendran

Kindly note that IAC does not appreciate such kind of personal attacks
on fellow members.

The "truth" is

a) That 2 wrongs do not make a right. If Govt servants like IAS get
OROP as a privilege then fight to take it away from them.

b) Patriotism (or rather pseudo-patriotism) is the last refuge of
rascals and the virtue of the vicious. The actual meaning of
patriotism stems from one who supports the rights of the land and its
people AGAINST its rulers. Faujis are the "State" so by definition
they CANNOT be patriots.

Online nuggets

"In other words, a patriot stood for the rights of local
self-government and was opposed to tyrannical rule-even by his own
king. Thus, true patriotism is the impulse to defend one's land,
country or way of life against unjust governmental oppression."

"patriotism is the egg from which wars are hatched."

Sarbajit

On 9/24/15, major raveendran <majorraveendran53@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Mr Kapoor,
> Are you or your father or grant father a refugee from Pakistan?It is just a
> doubt, as many Kapoors have ran for their life from Pakistan to India during
> the partition days.Feel shame to comment on Armed Forces of India, with out
> studying about them.Your article is a shame to any patriotic Indian.People
> like you are the enemies of this country!! Raveendran
> From: Ramesh Sharma <rnsgss@gmail.com>
> To: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorssatish@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
>
> Dear Mr Kapoor,
> Are you even aware of how such a condition has come about?
> You want to know if there are any other countries where such type of pension
> is there. Do you have the faintest idea about the pensions and treatment
> that veterans are given in other countries?
> I would recommend that you carry out a little research about the genesis of
> this problem to know how we have reached such a sorry state.
> It appears that you are OK with the "Babus" and the politicians getting
> their OROP, pension and perks ... who have no shame in taking the country
> for a ride ... but you are vehemently against the genuine demand of the
> veterans who have been short changed by these very "Babus" and politicians.
> I would like to ask you if you are willing to lay down your life for the
> country? Or, for that matter, do you have any of your relatives who are a
> part of the armed forces?
> To me it is obvious that you, and people like you, who sit in the comfort of
> their homes ... (a condition created by the sacrifice of the defence
> services, who guard the countries borders, at the cost of their lives, in
> difficult conditions, so that you and the rest of the population of this
> country can live peacefully) .. are totally clueless and yet consider it
> necessary to pass judgement on the legitimate demands of the veterans.
> I sincerely urge you to get to the bottom of this and, I am sure, you will
> be ashamed of the injustice that has been done to the armed forces. You will
> also understand how the government (both present and past) have taken the
> armed forces for a ride.
> Please do your homework before raising such questions.
> Regards,
> Ramesh Sharma
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor
> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of
> pension is there?
> These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country.
> There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a
> Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting
> Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pensionwhy a person who
> retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire
> today or after years will get?
> country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving
> money at their cost is crime.
> S.K.KapoorRetired Sr Dy General Manager
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan
> <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years
> ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I
> have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in
> watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions.
> Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our
> retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to
> them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor,
> petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position
> (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles
> can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired
> from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
> MGR Rajan
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 05:01:59 +0530
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> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
>
> OROP– bungled promise, warped goodwill:
> http://swarajyamag.com/politics/counter-view-orop-bungled-promises-and-warped-goodwill/
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore
> <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in
> circulation , this is still worth a read.
> _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________Please
> circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
> WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES
> SO MUCH??
> Dear People Of India,
> As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some
> warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war
> widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there
> has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know
> some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
> 1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other
> advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men
> and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a
> law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the
> expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to
> the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the
> armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It
> recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational
> effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and
> women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited
> bureaucracy.
> In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve ,
> 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents
> having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served
> during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American
> Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming
> the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they
> respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans.
> 2 Your Armed Forces cannot be compared with the IAS, IPS, BSF, CRPF,
> ITBP, CISF , NSG, Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the
> State Armed Police Forces.
> A Nation can have only one Military.
> The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate
> social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by
> civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who
> serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not
> in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and
> making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be
> compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
> 3 WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
> (a) WE HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD
> !
> (b). WE ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT
> THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY,
> IAS, IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP, CISF , NSG, RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN
> FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.
> PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
> 4 THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS
> OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU
> THEIR SCARCITY :
> (a) OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND
> ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
> (b). OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS
> RAISED FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC .
> (c). IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS,
> IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES (LESS ARMED FORCES) WOULD RETIRE AT THE
> HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT
> FORCES OUT OF IT.
> (d). THE IAS ,IPS and the CENTRAL SERVICES also gave themselves
> ACP - ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY
> DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST
> LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade
> the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT
> DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date a DIG was was between a Lt Col
> and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade
> (NFSG). The rank of a DIG is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are
> now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and
> the Central Services to run down the Military.
> (e) THEY CAN "DONATE" $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC
> CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND
> BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it
> comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who are" FORCED "
> TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY.
>
>
> 5 It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED
> PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj
> Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
> 6 YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND
> THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis OTHER GOVT
> SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
> 7 GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE
> FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT
> GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
> ..
> 8 WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF
> DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY
> RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
> 9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE, WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS,
> EARTHQUAKE ?? JUST LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE RIOTS IN GUJARAT
> COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE
> ARMY DID THE JOB !!
> 
> CAN THIS NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES ??
> REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT
> IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS
> AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
>
>
>
>
>
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Friday, September 25, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Sorry to intervene in this very technical issue of orop,which we know Govt is looking into in great detail.
What is surprising is retired service personal or serving are talking in trailing mails abt 'strikes' by forces in India.
This is truly a matter of pity and shows that as we, once used to hold our army and forces ppl in great regard have come to this.
And, yes we all have someone in the family serving in Indian forces.
Lastly, resorting to personal jibes shows ones desperation which is last thing we common ppl want to see in our forces.
Regards to all.

On 25 Sep 2015 08:11, "Col Devesh Chandra" <coldevesh@hotmail.com> wrote:

Can you ask similar questions to burocrates who in the guise of NFU has made sure that they get Orop even after serving for full 60 years as compares to def forces who retire at a very early age.
Regards
Col Devesh retd

On 23 Sep 2015 02:21, shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

This type of mails should not be circulated.  The author is misinformed and totally ignorant of facts and figures on OROP.

Arguing on OROP with Kapoor Saab is tantamount to waist of time. I request that one should not venture out in a territory where he has no inkling as to where to move forward.

Regards.

SR

can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Thursday, September 24, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Sir

As regards to priority in pay scales of Armed forces and IAS care is concerned, Yes it should be there, if in 6th pay commission Armed forces were left, they should be compensated atleat in 7th pay commission. Then armed forces should fight with Govt on this issue and not OROP

S.K.Kapoor



On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:11 AM, bcs <vaidy1953@gmail.com> wrote:


this is the first time i am responding in this group

I am a retired Naval officer and since I saw OROP as subject , I could not resist

i am not here to criticise babus and others who are the biggest obstacles to anything good for military perople- serving or retired

i want the nation to imagine this scenario -  the military goes on STRIKE like railways or banks or central government 

is there any one else who can take over the roles

wheras in most of the civilian strikes the military has and can step in to at least keep the essentials going

and if we go on strike what will our neighbours do ?

the day a soldier is made to ask for his rights [ promised by govts ] that is the dooms day for the nation

i repent for having spent my productive life in the defence --- 

what a shame

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Natarajan <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Let us leave it to political parties to justify one wrong on the basis of another. They are beyond redemption. The country is bleeding under the burden of salaries paid to bureaucrats till their spouses' death or their own death whichever occurs later. Pay commissions are merely an excuse to enhance the salaries , pensions and DA perpetually. Pay commissions are composed of chairman and members who have conflict of interest. Someone in each member's family stands to benefit from the recommendations. They have been making irresponsible recommendations without regard for fairness or the country's ability to pay.  Fairness demands that only the poor be protected against inflation. However while poor farmers are committing suicide, daily workers in construction sites do not even have proper food, and there is so much bonded labour, thanks to our administrative and political system,  babu secretaries and generals are being given 100% neutralization for inflation even after retirement. This is such a shame. I will be happy if our brave retired Generals would question this inequity and demand a lowering of such benefits to Civilians and enhancing the living conditions of the poor instead of competing with the latter to loot this country in the name of patriotism. In fact the entire exploitative bubu-dom including many in the armed forces is responsible for this situation. If they don't mend their ways, the entire society will rise in wrath. 
With regards
Prof N.Natarajan



On Wednesday, 23 September 2015 2:42 PM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear Sir

i know a lot about Developed countries and lived there.
i know pension in IAS/IES cadres and other Govt Departments. i belong to family mostly in jobs.
In my opinion a country where 50% population even does not get two meals per day, demand of forces is unjustified particularly for higher rank officers.
Pension is calculated on last pay drawn and Govt gives DA to neutralise increase in cost of living (not ofcourse 100%) , moreover after certain period Govt appoints pay commission and again gives some increase. Besides all this there are more facilities to Army like  army canteen, rank pay, reservation in plots/flats being allotted by various state Governments.
i know persons in Army who apply for properties in almost all states and when allotted sell at higher price.

according to Govt, govt has already given an increase of 25% in pension.

Why then still asking for more? greed has no limits

S.K.Kapoor



On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 12:07 AM, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:


Mr Satish Kumar Kapoor & others

1.    I am surprised that you ,like the politicians, talk of why a General should get Rs 80,000 + ? What percentage makes this category ? Any idea ? It is less than 1% - hence do not hood wink others to quote figures to make believe in what you say. Are you aware that 100% OROP is already applicable to bureaucrats, Judiciary, Parliamentarians etc.

2.    Do you know ?
        (a) After the Great Victory in 1971,as a reward,  the Govt reduced the pension of Defence Persons from 70 % to 50 % and at the same time increased their ( bureaucrats & others) pension from 30 % to 50 %.
       (b)  In the 6th Pay commission, NFU was doled out to others (less Armed Forces), where in all IAS, IPS& Group 'A' Services would retireat the highest pay scale, ensuring highest pension + OROP. They left Defence Forces out of it
        (c) The IAS,IPS and Central Forces also gave themselves ACP - Assured Career Progression, but again the Forces were left out. Thus Defence Forces were made below the civilian counter parts and systematically brought down in protocol list. Result - % of persons joining the Forces reduced drastically . Can we afford this ?
        (d) Any natural or man made calamity - who comes to the rescue - Defence Forces. Be it floods, earth quake, tsunami - Army is called out.
        (e) Nehru wanted to disband the existing Army and said India does not need Army and Police and Para military forces would do the job . Then came 1962 when Chinese attacked India, with their pants down. What was the result ! Read books on this. History will tell you.
         (e) For OROP we need 8,300 crores. What is this amount - a chicken feed for a country like ours ! We talk of scams of lakhs of crores. Donation to Bihar (political wooing) 1,25,000 crores !!!
         (f)  You may be surprised to know that, there is no representative of Defence Services in Central Pay Commission, in spite of several requests. The forthcoming 7th Pay Commission is also without any representation from Defence.
         (g) Defence Forces are debarred from having Unions, Strikes etc . Civilians can resort to these tactics to put forth their demands on Salary etc and more often that not they are successful.
         (h) The Committee ordered by the Govt to look into the OROP has recommended it. Both UPA Govt and  NDA Govt has passed it in Parliament and finally Supreme Court has also asked for early implementation of OROP. In fact Govt of India has been served with Contempt of Court.

3.  Suffice to mention the above.There are many more such injustices done and the Defence Forces which will need volumes to write.


 With Regards
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)    



On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Col. Devesh
I am happy that you have posed this bold question. Yes, you need to take this fight to the bureaucrats'camp and as the first step you must demand the babus' pension should be brought down on par with the treatment meted out to the armed forces. Moreover any DA payment made to neutralize inflation must apply across the board to all cadres as a fixed amount and not linked to their salary as a percentage. That will be the right formula which should apply to even the judiciary and politicians. Even those who are not eligible for pension must be paid this amount. If you can fight for this cause, the whole country will back you and this will be a  real fight for our motherland.     
 
With regards Prof N.Natarajanreal



On Wednesday, 23 September 2015 9:04 PM, Col Devesh Chandra <coldevesh@hotmail.com> wrote:


Can you ask similar questions to burocrates who in the guise of NFU has made sure that they get Orop even after serving for full 60 years as compares to def forces who retire at a very early age.
Regards
Col Devesh retd
On 23 Sep 2015 02:21, shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
This type of mails should not be circulated.  The author is misinformed and totally ignorant of facts and figures on OROP.
Arguing on OROP with Kapoor Saab is tantamount to waist of time. I request that one should not venture out in a territory where he has no inkling as to where to move forward.
Regards.
SR
can any supporter of OROP tell name of any country where this type of pension is there?

These Ex-forces officers are just blackmailing politicians and country. There makes sense only if this is limited to non-commissiones cadre, Why a Col/Lt Col, Brigadiar and persons in rank of Generals, who are getting Rs50000 to Rs80000/= pension shoud get almost double pension
why a person who retired 10 years ago should get same pension the person who will retire today or after years will get?

country where almost 50% population does not get two meals perday, giving money at their cost is crime.

S.K.Kapoor
Retired Sr Dy General Manager





On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:26 AM, m.g.r. rajan <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:


I am a supporter of OROP since the time it was first mentioned, many years ago, but not implemented by the BJP or Congress when they were in power. I have family members who served in the forces, and have taken great pride in watching the Armed Forces at the Republic Day Parade and other occassions. Like the Veterans in UK, USA and European countries, we need to let our retired forces live with dignity. A lot of things have been doled out to them, like subsidised goods at armed forces canteens, low cost liquor, petrol pumps etc etc. There are on record instances of mis-use of position (which no doubt happens in other cadres too). I expect that all these doles can be withdrawn if they are paid well, while in service and when retired from service so that they can lead a dignified life.
MGR Rajan

 

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP


On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:


Even though the issue of OROP has had a large number of emails in circulation , this is still worth a read.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please circulate to 1.3 billion Indians-
WHY DO THE POLITICIANS AND THE BUREAUCRATS DESPISE THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES SO MUCH??
Dear People Of India,
As you know OROP (One Rank One Pension) has been announced though with some warts which need rectification and after getting the war heroes and war widows, many in their eighties, on the streets, a sad spectacle. As there has been a lot of disinformation and lack of awareness, you need to know some facts. These have gone unnoticed.
1 We are Indian Army Soldiers. Countries like the US and UK and most other advanced democracies, with Armies that are facing conflict, venerate the men and women who serve in the Armed Forces. The UK parliament has even passed a law called Armed Forces Covenant . An Armed Forces Covenant is the expression of the moral obligation that the government and the nation owe to the armed forces community. The covenant acknowledges that members of the armed forces sacrifice some freedoms and often face dangerous situations. It recognises that families play a vital role in supporting the operational effectiveness of the armed forces. It is only in India where our men and women have to go through the humiliation of a comparison with a discredited bureaucracy. 
 In the United States, 15 presidents have served in the Army/Army Reserve , 9 in the State Militias, 6 in the Navy/Naval Reserve, with 2 presidents having serving in the Continental Army. In addition, eight presidents served during World War II, while seven served in the military during the American Civil War. That was the kind of military service they did before becoming the President and Commander in Chief of the US of America. No wonder they respect their Armed Forces and their Veterans. 
 2 Your Armed Forces  cannot be compared with the IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  Railway Protection Force, Rapid Deployment Force or the State Armed Police Forces.
 A Nation can have only one Military. 
The renowned sociologist Morris Janowitz had famously said: "The intimate social solidarity of the military profession is both envied and resented by civilians." A bureaucrat is in no way comparable to a man or woman who serves in the Armed Forces. Nowhere is this comparison even attempted, not in the United States, the United Kingdom or even China. It's laughable and making that comparison is ludicrous. Neither can the Armed Forces be compared or equated to other police forces of a Country.
3   WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND TO NO ONE ELSE BECAUSE :
        (a)  WE  HAVE PLEDGED TO PROTECT YOU, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORD !
        (b). WE  ARE SURE THAT YOU LOVE US AND WE KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE INDIAN MILITARY IS THE LAST BASTION OF HOPE WHEN THE GOVT MACHINERY, IAS,  IPS, BSF, CRPF, ITBP,  CISF , NSG,  RPFHAVE FAILED ----- AND WHEN FINALLY THE ARMED FORCES FAIL ; INDIA WILL BE LOST.       
PLEASE KNOW THESE FACTS.
4  THE GOVT, FINANCE MINISTRY AND THE IAS/IPS LOBBY IS DENYING YOUR SOLDIERS OROP UNDER THE PLEA OF FINANCIAL SCARCITY . THE FOLLOWING WILL TELL YOU THEIR SCARCITY : 
        (a)  OROP ALREADY EXISTS FOR 100% OF THE BUREAUCRATS, JUDICIARY AND  ALL THE PARLIAMENTARIANS.
        (b).  OUR PENSION WAS BROUGHT DOWN  FROM 70% to 50 %WHILE THEIRS WAS RAISED  FROM 30% TO 50% IN THE 3rd CPC . 
        (c).  IN THE 6th CPC THEY DOLED OUT NFU - A SYSTEM BY WHICH ALL IAS, IPS OFFICERS & GROUP A SERVICES  (LESS ARMED FORCES)  WOULD RETIRE AT THE HIGHEST PAY SCALE -THEREBY GIVING THEM HIGHEST PENSION PLUS OROP. THEY LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT.
        (d).  THE IAS ,IPS  and the CENTRAL SERVICES  also gave themselves ACP -  ASSURED CAREER PROGRESSION - BUT AGAIN LEFT FORCES OUT OF IT . BY DOING THIS , THEY BROUGHT US DOWN SEVERELY AND HAVE MADE THE FORCES LEAST LUCRATIVE AND LEAST HONORABLE JOB. Without doubt the aim was to downgrade the Armed Forces of India. OUR ENEMIES ARE HAPPY AND WATCHING THIS GREAT DRAMA WITH GLEE ! Do you know that till date  a DIG was was between a Lt Col and a Col . Now a Col has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG  is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900. Because of the machinations of the Govt and the Central Services to run down the Military.
         (e)   THEY CAN  "DONATE"  $ 1 MILLION TO MONGOLIA, DONATE 1.25 LAC CRORE TO A STATE VOTE BANK, LET SCAMS OF LACS OF CRORE IN GOVT , IPL AND BCCI, give bailouts of hundreds of LAKHS to AIR INDIA but feel poor when it comes toRs. 8,300 crores for the Armed Forces personnel who  are" FORCED " TO RETIRE YOUNG SO THAT THE NATION CAN SLEEP EASY. 
       
          
5  It is not just Modi's promise but a four decade old promise, AN APPROVED PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE (KOSHIARY ) REPORT, A FAVOURABLE SC JUDGMENT (Maj Gen Vains ) and a promise by all Govts.
6  YOU CANNOT REMAIN INSULATED  AND SEE VETERANS AND WIDOWS IGNORED AND THE STATUS AND PARITY OF THE INDIAN ARMED FORCES vis-a- vis  OTHER GOVT SERVANTS DISTORTED. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1947 !!
7  GOD FORBID IF ONE OF YOUR OWN SON or DAUGHTER or RELATIVE IS IN THE FORCES ~~ WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME ?? WILL YOU SEND YOUR NEXT GENERATION TO THE ARMED FORCES NOW ??
..
8  WE ARE BARRED FROM STRIKES , PROTESTS, UNIONS ETC -FOR REASONS OF DISCIPLINE , BUT REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET WHAT THEY WANT ANY TIME BY RESORTING TO RIOTING, RAIL-ROKO etc !
9 HAVE WE EVER FAILED YOU IN PEACE,  WAR OR TERRORISM, RIOTS, FLOODS, EARTHQUAKE ??   JUST  LAST WEEK, EVEN THE SMALL SCALE  RIOTS IN GUJARAT COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE POLICE OR THE PARA MIL FORCES ( !! ) AND THE ARMY DID THE JOB !! 

CAN THIS  NATION SURVIVE WITHOUT ITS ARMED FORCES  ?? 
REMEMBER SALARY MAKES US DO OUR JOB BUT ITS HONOR AND RECOGNITION THAT IMPELS US TO EMBRACE DEATH WILLINGLY WHILE EXECUTING OUR JOB.THE POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE DISHONOURED US.
 





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Re:[IAC#RG]

We hope that people of your thought process will come to power as PM one day and do miracle ........ He as done some thing very simple which others could not do for example Swatch Bharat Abiyan, speaking to people in Man ki baat, this shows that he  quite grounded etc 

I would say it is very simple to criticize  just open your mouth ..... and go ahead.  Nation building is a process that requires contributions from all citizens.. 

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Aires Rodrigues <airesrodrigues1@gmail.com> wrote:

WANING NARENDRA MODI ON THE SLIDE


By Aires Rodrigues


In yet more empty rhetoric Narendra Modi now vows that he will do in 50 months what others have not done in 50 years obviously referring to the Congress. But over the last 16 months he has only been blabbering and merrily touring the world. And for the next 34 months that is all he will be up to. All indications are however that in Corruption the BJP may pocket in 50 months what it took the Congress 50 years.  


Like Dr Manmohan Singh, now Narendra Modi too sits mum when his government is cornered. He promised the country the moon but has miserably failed to deliver.  It has been only empty glossy talk all the way. With his one man rule, basic democratic values have been consigned to the wind. 


Nothing has been done to strengthen the Right to Information Act while the Lok Pal is also not in place only affording 'Acche din' for the corrupt. It is no secret that the Narendra Modi government is geared, controlled, and manipulated by the RSS and the VHP who are deeply entrenched in their very divisive ideology.


Fascism is at its peak, with sheer intolerance to criticism. L. K. Advani was not wrong in voicing his concern as recently as on 18th June this year that the repeat of Emergency could happen. The people of India are now seeing through NaMo's vicious game plan with the chorus already bugling 'Modi Hatao Desh Bachao'. 



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