Saturday, November 24, 2012

Re: [IAC++] Dear Arvind

Yes Sarbajit. Arabind should leave immediately and joint his dirty political game. But IAC also should be free of all type of corruption and corrupted and fraud people. Still now some people with vested interests are within newly built IAC. It should also be free from Corporate Fund and influence of foreign power to destabilize India. A fight for corruption free India should be there with the peole and the money from people. But, before that, IAC should clear all accounts i.e. how much fund it got for first phase movement, who sponsored all those expenditures and with whom and how much balance is lying. As you people are raising voice against corruption IAC should be very open and clear first. Till now IAC is not clear and open about money matters. I was also with another National Campaign, Campaign for Electoral Reforms India ( CERI) and involved our the then Chief Election Commissioner Dr. S.Y. Quraishi and National Election commission. Election commission also constituted a Special committee for CERI. But as they are not clear about fund source and expenditures I  just came out of it and also a good number of important people came out. I am ready to be with IAC with all my nation wide strength and all networks with which I am there if IAC clear the money matters.

Best of regards to you all,
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On 25 November 2012 11:56, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Arvind,

Thank you for returning the IAC to us after the 11 month "lease" HRA gave it to you for expired.  Better late than never.

As IAC's  soon-to-be former tenant please ensure that you clean up the IAC space and take all your belongings out with you when you leave tomorrow, as our own plans for the IAC andolan are ready to take off.

You may deposit the keys with our old chowkidar from the village, for whom we had to make alternate living arrangements while you were squatting on our property.

Sarbajit
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Re: [IAC++] Dear Arvind

Hi,

There is no point being acerbic, we have bigger things to fight for, lets support each other and ensure we can really fulfill the goal of a better India.

Regards,
Ashutosh.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Arvind,

Thank you for returning the IAC to us after the 11 month "lease" HRA gave it to you for expired.  Better late than never.

As IAC's  soon-to-be former tenant please ensure that you clean up the IAC space and take all your belongings out with you when you leave tomorrow, as our own plans for the IAC andolan are ready to take off.

You may deposit the keys with our old chowkidar from the village, for whom we had to make alternate living arrangements while you were squatting on our property.

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[IAC++] Dear Arvind

Dear Arvind,

Thank you for returning the IAC to us after the 11 month "lease" HRA gave it to you for expired.  Better late than never.

As IAC's  soon-to-be former tenant please ensure that you clean up the IAC space and take all your belongings out with you when you leave tomorrow, as our own plans for the IAC andolan are ready to take off.

You may deposit the keys with our old chowkidar from the village, for whom we had to make alternate living arrangements while you were squatting on our property.

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, Jan Andolan

RE: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India

Dear Friends,
Any sane person in India will certainly know the power of money. All the politicians derive power thro money. It is very rare that a good person with no money gets elected. Even our P.M. did not stand for election before becoming the P.M. Shri Rajagopalachari, the first and only Indian Viceroy was defeated in the elections from swatantra party and Gen. Kariappa met the same fate. Most of the honest politicians have been elected to Upper houses or nominated to Lok sabha/assemblies.
There is one sure way of losing an election and that is by not spending money.
Most of the politicians have made this a business. They invest for the elections and make many times that amount once they are elected. That is how the corruption starts. The officials are more than willing to tread the path shown by the politicians and make more than enough money.
The only way any honest person wins the election, is, if we fish out all the cash the politicians and others have in their ware houses.
Pl insist on demonetising Rs.100, Rs.500, and Rs.1000. rupee notes.  Restrict cash transactions for any transaction to an upper limit of of Rs.5,000/- and insist that not more than Rs.5000/- can be held by any person who is a major at any time and any holding more than this amount be made a criminal offence. Once this is done the govt. receipts at all levels swell to at least 20 times if not more and our rupee will be highly valued at Rs40 a dollar or better. Corruption will be reduced to just about or less than 10% of the value as of to-day. I am prepared to explain/ draw up a plan and also I can more than justify and validate my estimates.
Is there any organisation thinking in these terms or if not WHY? AAM AADMY PARTY is going to field good persons to the poles but how many can retain their deposits and how many can win. I do not think that people are still ready to vote according to their conscience and weigh the candidates for their future honesty. It is too much to expect miracles and people with no money power getting elected.
Mr.Jaya Prakash Narayan, (ex IAS, resigned) tried and how many are there in from his party in the elected houses. You may say it is only a beginning but it will only be a never ending beginning. Let us not look at the impoosibilities and strive for what is possible in the near term. We must insist on the demonetisation and ask the govt as to why they are not going for it if they refuse it. This would be a good tool to get some success for the honest parties to come up in the elections.
Let us bring the black money hoarded by all the rich, the Govt. servants, politicians and others to come clean and let us have a level playing ground for all the honest to serve the country.
I am open for discussion and debate at any place at any forum and any place.
Thanks,
Col.Nanda Gopal.(retd) 


Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:08:04 -0800
From: mkkhera@yahoo.com
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Fw: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India

Surely, all true patriot citizens are included in the veterans. 

People of the country confer every 5 years the power upon these natas to keep the nation happy, healthy and safe. Netas actually sell this people power illegally to crony capitalists for their personal gains only to come back again after 5 years to seek the people power again. This cycle has continued unabated for 65 years. Therefore, I reiterate, Jan Lokpal is to rid the country of political corruption. Sh Anna has already led this movement to a great degree of success and he needs to pursue it until a fool proof  broad based effective Jan Lokpal bill is passed and implemented which inter-alia seeks autonomy for CBI. 

5 years time bound implementation of NeGP is to rid the country of corruption in government obligations and services to its citizens where the perpetrators of such degradation are babus, police and judges. Anna must demand NeGP to be implemented directly under the watchful eyes of the honorable PM. Routine NeGP is already under slip shod implementation by Central IT Secy and State IT Secys. Upgraded NeGP to include spending process of more than $ 1 tn financial outlay in  5 year plans must be implemented by 2017 as a national objective committed by the PM. Monthly progress by Central IT Secy on National DD, State IT Secys on all Regional DDs and bimonthly progress by PM on National TV for 1.2 billion people of the country to know the status must be done. The regular update in the progress of implementation of NeGP is the right of every citizen and is far more important than the meaningless exercise going on for last 65 years by PM coming on TV on 26 Jan and 15 Aug to do a lip service to the same people by giving them hollow assurances and speaking on corrupt and half baked MNREGA, PDS, free meals, subsidies, BPL schemes, reservations etc. Such a national wasteful exercise must be stopped and substituted by giving progress to the people on national objectives of Jan Lokpal, NeGP, national infrastructure projects etc.

These two, Jan Lokpal and NeGP are not theory, abstraction or merely concept. These two are actual permanent ground actions to create huge deterrent to the pol class and the governance machinery from getting into the gutter of corruption ever. Other things like change of hearts, self regulation, community oriented teachings against corruption would continue so long as the civilization exists but they are far from acting as system oriented deterrent against corruption. 

Every citizen irrespective of caste, creed, profession or political leaning must support Anna in these two demands as their duty. Team Anna in turn must get the PM to treat these as national commitment just like nuclear deterrent policy. 

Jai Hind. 
Col Mahesh Khera

From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:02:51 +0000
To: Thakur Singh (Retd.col-India)<thakursinghk@gmail.com>; Col. Arun Joshi<colarun.joshi@gmail.com>; Brig. Nair<israel@jayakaran.com>; <iacmailreply6@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:52:39 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India
From: thakursinghk@gmail.com
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Dear All,

 Please elaborate as how can we implement National E Governance Plan (NeGP) 2005 to end the corruption + janlokpal.

Regards

Col Thakur Singh

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> wrote:
Hullo All,
 
        I am  Israel Jayakaran, veteran,Chennai.
 
        I have been following all your messages and the Denmark example on eradicating coruption in India. While you have been exploring the steps, you have forgotten the reasons as to why some people resort to  corruption and adopt corrupt practices.
 
        What is the aim        behind  the             corrupt       practices?      Not everyone indulges in them but only a few;  may be in thousnads and yet they areonly a few.  Who  are they?  Not like people like you and me who draw a pension andlive comfortably. And the corrupt also lead a comfortable life.  But the money they have is not sufficient for their future profession - Politics !.  Some people in India want to enjoy high status and that happens to be politics as of now.
 
        It's not an easy thing to get elected in our marvellous democracy.  You need tons and tons of money to win elections. Unless you are a    multi         millionnaire,   you       can't    think        of   standing for elections.  Any winning candidate will certify to it.And this quantum could come only through corrupt means;  legal routes just won't fetch even one thousandth of the needed money.  So, now you understand why some people indulge in corruption and corrupt ptactices.Once you get     elected, you think of the next elections and prepare for it   and   collect crores while you are in position of power. And the process continues.
 
       Once upon a time, a  candidate spent just Rs 25,000 for Lok sabha election.  Not anymore.  You need 250 crores in   present times.
 
       So, the villain of the piece is 'the high cost of election'.  If we make elections a cheap affair, nobody would amass wealth to fight it. I am viualising a situation whereof one is not  required to spend even ONE rupee on elections and yet he/she  could get elected because he/she is a highly competent person to rule the land.  Unbelievable,isn't it?  And yet it is possible to set up such  a system.  I have thought of a foolproof one, for that matter.
      
        And tell me, why the highly experienced and most knwledgeable candidates don't stand for elecitons;  the intelligenstia to be precise?  High cost ! my friend.  And these gentlemen and ladies don't want to make illegal money to fight elections.  So, thugs who know the art of amassing tons of money stand for elections.  What kind of intellectual contributions  could you expect from illiterates like them? Is ours  a government of the people?  "People" is not any Lallu,  Panju and Idiots.  A particular brand of humans recognised and accepted by the electorate.     
 
 
       So, let us not waste our valuable time at finding ways and means to eradicate corruption but apply our mind as to how to get the 545 members elected out of 1.2 billion people with the minimum cost on the part of the government and at no cost on the part of the candidates. Corruption then will automatically get eleminated.  Incidentally, did it ever occur to you that no one wants to indulge in mal practices;  their conscience would tell them that but they are forced into it because they want to be MPs and MLAs? 
 
       Our Indian Election system has not ony killed one's conscience but have also detached  these indians from the connecting line to God.  Some 40 to 50 years ago, an Indian was known as the most God fearing man in the world. And the world too acknoledged this fact.  But    not anymore. "Where is God?" an Indian asks these days.
 
 
                                                   Israel Jayakaran,     Colonel (Retd), Signals, veteran, Chennai.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Hi Arun,

Surely, your point is valid, ultimately, it is the man behind the gun. However, in many routine automation of functions, the dependency of man can be completely done away with. The classic example is banking. Pl recall, how ICICI and HDFC etc made debut with automation and they succeeded in all urban market in nineties and semi urban market in the previous decade. Seeing their astounding success, PSU banks have also improved now though it has taken them around 15-20 years or so but today in CBS branches of PSU banks, no one is dependent upon bank babus. 

All we need is to demand two things from the govt, Jan Lokpal bill and 5 years implementation of fool proof NeGP under the direct charge of PMO. If IAC can do their home work, they should just swamp the nation, mobilize the people with these two demands only and force the govt to give monthly progress of NeGP on national TV by IT secy and on regional TV by state IT secy. Non achievement of time bound targets should result in heads roll. Watch the most lethal combination of Jan Lokpal and NeGP in the world working wonders in 1.2 billion strong and 50 % illiterate  India. 90 % netas, babus, police, judges and crony capitalists will be turned around by the same Indian people who have been taken for a ride for last 65 years and at least 90 % corruption will vanish by 2017 and 10 % corruption will land the people responsible in jail. India jumps to 41 rank in least corrupt nations index just after 40 developed countries.  
 
Jai Hind

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera


From: arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com>
To: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com>
Cc: "iac@lists.riseup.net" <iac@lists.riseup.net>; "iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com" <iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Dear Col Khera,
Pardon the interruption.
I was fortunate to attend a course MMA (ADP) in 1987 (Middle Management appreciation- automated data processing) There was one prayer our instructors recited daily.........
"Gentlemen ,these systems as they evolve are support systems. Remember it is absolutely essential for the man behind the machine to be true to his job.
I fully subscribe to your views of e governance. It will assist in reducing corruption to a discernible extent. However not until our genes (especially Govt servants) are completely overhauled would we see an improvement. 
I am presently struggling to obtain a birth certificate. Struggling because I refused to pay the Lady Rs 1000/-. RTI and a personal interview with the Commissioner of the City has not helped as yet. 
Nevertheless I have not yet lost hope.
With Regards

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear M/s Kris and Iftikhar,

We must thank you for bringing out such live examples to the people of India. I am happy to see this as also the curiosity of the people as to when a small democratic country like Denmark can be No 1 least corrupt country then India the world's greatest democracy can also be similar.

I must share with you that in Oct 2010, in a seminar on mobile broadband, I brought out that Denmark has achieved No 1 rank in least corrupt index due to their commitment to implement their national e governance program. The two secys to the government of India were on the chair. Secy DoT just dismissed me that I do not know any thing that India has a National E Governance Plan (NeGP) 2005 and this is under implementation. The other gentleman, Chairman TRAI did appreciate what I said and he was of the opinion that India seriously needs to look at what Denmark has done. For Danish NeGP, they have had huge broadband penetration in the country over which their NeGP, inter-alia,  touching upon every national infrastructure project right from e-RFP, to e-tendering, e-bidding, e-purchase order, e-implementation monitoring and e-operations monitoring has been included. You can imagine our NeGP 2005, the less said the better. We had 2G scam, CWG scam, Coal scam, host of mining, land, power scams and so on. Going forward, we have a $ trillion financial outlay in our 5 year plan, an unlimited money for nation building and some people must be licking their fingers. Suppose, we were actually implementing the real NeGP 2005, all these scams would not have been there. If at all some one does then the e evidence which is indelible in nature can nail the person(s) and within less than a year, the guilty is/are prosecuted, sentenced and find themselves in jail. Imagine, the huge deterrent which true NeGP can bring to the corruption. This is what Denmark has successfully implemented.

I would be happy to contribute to the real India's NeGP through Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) which in conjunction with Jan Lok Pal can give 90 % relief to India from corruption. For more details, would request you to please click the URL  http://www.ktmt.in/Recent%20News/News_24.aspx
 
With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

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Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Iftikar,

I like the way Denmark has done. Do you think it's possible in India? If yes, how do we make it happen?

Best,

Kris Dev





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Re: [IAC++] Please join IAC Cell Tower Radiation Movement as an activist

can u pl specify the policy on the issue these r erected on every second house in my colony. though I do not stay in Mumbai but in a small town, Rohtak in Haryana. but since these r health hazard I wish to take up a case with municipal council/govt to deal with the issue as per laid down policy.
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Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC++] Please join IAC Cell Tower Radiation Movement as an activist
Hi friends, 
i am just an activist and never ever had any intentions of joining a political party. My intention of coming along with IAC is plainly to get a better base for a movement for public welfare. So i request u all even if u against joining IAC, which u may consider as political, please join the link of this Facebook page mention below as this is a plain activist movement for public welfare. i am sure u would appreciate the cause and work to give it strength. Will u join movement against illegal Cell towers under IAC ? If yes please click on link to join the page. 1.1800 illegal towers in Mumbai 2. BMC draft fails 2 include existing tower 3. Mr. Milind Deora is favoring operators 4. Cell Operator lobby is strong and powerful and able to manage everyone but all this could be changed by ur action.
5. Only pubic outcry could force authorities to get the Bombay HC stay order vacated though already SC has upheld judgement of Jaipur HC to remove such towers from Schools and hospitals but they r continuing in Mumbai and other parts. 
rgds,
Jitendra Gupta--- On Thu, 22/11/12, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC++] Fwd: Maganbhai: Shivendra Singh Chauhan's letter 26.May.2012
To: iac@lists.riseup.net, vn.krishnan@gmail.com
Date: Thursday, 22 November, 2012, 5:25 PM

Dt.22/11/12 I am not a regular member of your group. But I have started receiving the msgs, I felt I should respond briefly. After Arvind Kejrival's decision to form a political party his focus has naturally shifted from IAC. Since Annaji has declined to be a part of political party and will be solely using IAC name, the activists who were a part of IAC have to decide in which direction they will work. For the present,therefore,one has to wait and watch rather than pronouncing judgements on honesty,dedication and integrity of Arvind Kejrival,Prashant Bhusan and the group. JKGaur Mumbai 
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:05:30 +0530From: krisdev@gmail.comTo: iac@lists.riseup.net; vn.krishnan@gmail.comSubject: Re: [IAC++] Fwd: Maganbhai: Shivendra Singh Chauhan's letter 26.May.2012Venkat,I'm sure, you can now understand why I stepped out of the activities of IAC, Chennai, though I was the first person to initiate the activities of IAC, Chennai and organize the Human Chain at Marina Beach on Jan 30 (2010). You came in later after the National Election Watch Meet at IITM. I coordinated the parallel protest in Chennai at Thakkar Baba Vidyalaya to synchronize with Anna Hazare fast in Delhi. I invited Mr. T.S. Krishnamurthy, Mr. Naresh Gupta and others. As you know, I attended many meetings of IAC, Chennai but found it was hijacked by a few. Hence I quietly stepped out.Anti-corruption, transparency and accountability was and is my focus. If IAC is serious of its anti-corruption agenda, I have the necessary inputs to create a corruption free India. If there is a will, there can be a way. And we can show the way.Best,Kris Devhttp://ll2b.blogspot.com/      .  
On 20 November 2012 07:52, krishna oilmill <krishnaoilmil05@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Krishnan

Your words are exactly describe what I have been feeling so many days. Nobody is listening to us who have build up the movement and sacrifce so much.

2 times I also face  the insults from person close to Arvindbhai and Manishbhai, but I keep my feeling inside me only because I think that they are decent persons but pictures of manishbhai which all the IAC coordinator got 2 days are too bad. Now the test for Arvind and prashanthji. if Manish still in party we are supporting Anna ji only

Maganbhai
IAC Rajkot
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Venkatanarayan Krishnan <vn.krishnan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear friends,

I have been watching quite bemusedly at various happenings on this forum and this mail about Shivendra was the last straw and I decided to break my self-imposed silence.

I have to say that it is time that we all step back and allow dignity to be the first point of reference in our mails. All the name callings are hurting us a lot much more than what you can imagine. I haven't heard of Ajay Dixit anywhere prior to the starting of this mailing list of IAC-HQ. I however, don't have much to his antecedents. However, the kind of vituperative language that is being used by some of his friends, makes me wonder about the intent of (t)his list.

First of all, in my firm belief, I think Arvind Kejriwal is not the ghoul that many of many have made him to be. I have a lot of differences in thoughts about the way that the movement or the political party is going forward, but to call him names is the biggest disservice that we can do ourselves. He is a brilliant scholar; erudite and most importantly has a passion for the welfare of our nation that cannot be matched by many. Also, no one can question the fact that he was among the pioneers and lynchpin of this movement right from the beginning.

Notwithstanding what I believe about Arvind Kejriwal, I think the way the movement was conducted earlier or and the way that it metamorphosed into a political party is not to my liking. What Shivendra Chauhan had written earlier to Arvind Kejriwal is nothing new and was published back in Feb / March this year. I find that many of the points that Shiv had written quite valid and definitely deserves a point by point answer. To my knowledge this answer has not come as yet.

I think the gravest mistake that the movement made was not to organize itself so that it can be effective. Except for a few places (Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore) the movement didn't have any structure. Anytime that we had made an attempt to organize ourselves, it was met with silence from the Delhi Team. The so-called "team Anna" was a cocoon which was securely and zealously guarded and none was allowed into the core-team. I had a terrible experience when I went to Ralegan Siddhi last September after being invited by none other than Arvind Kejriwal. I was asked to sit out of "important" meetings. If this is how they could treat me, - a core-volunteer from Chennai, who had been active from the beginning (last week of January 2011 when this movement had no traction), been the person who quit my job for the sake of the movement, then I don't know how different or inclusive this movement / core-group is. I remained silent not bothered about the slight for the sake of "unity". But things went from bad to worse continually. No communication, no mechanisms to take suggestions, no clarity of actions or thoughts. Right up to the point where the decision to form a political party was taken.

I do not see any change in this pattern even now. If it is expected that millions of volunteers should come on the street and they are not given any briefing on what is happening and why it is happening, do you expect the persons to come out? Sorry, I don't see that as a sustainable way of running a movement much less a political party. By preappointing all representatives without any clear definition, parameter that is transparent, the idea that we can be a movement or party with difference is bellied. If we are not even able to transparently see how or who is elected to represent us, can we ever dream of achieving the goal of being "aam-admi" party where the people decide the policies. A pipe dream at best.

Talking about the political party, can anyone from the Team Arvind explain what is happening and where we are as far as strategies or brainstorming meetings are concerned? Silence yet again. There was a "closed door" meeting of some people that happened last month in Delhi and not a whisper about it to the volunteers of IAC. A classic case of "We decide you follow". 

When Mr. Yogendra Yadav came on a visit to Chennai after the announcement of the political party formation, he parleyed with a group of people from Tamilnadu, who were nowhere near the movement when we were sweating our blood out on the streets, at the police station, in front of the gates of P. Chidambaram and other political bigwigs. After the closed door meeting with some arbitrary TN group, as an afterthought Mr. Yadav met with some volunteers. Hardly an inclusive formation. 

Recently, Mr. Prashanth Bhushan came to Chennai and addressed a group of volunteers. The lack of communication was communicated to him and he said that the Chennai team should call all the active volunteers and have an election to see who will represent Chennai. Unfortunately, soon after this generous offer from Mr. Bhushan, I believe that the Delhi team has unilaterally selected a group of people to represent Chennai (and Tamilnadu) and the beauty is that this is not announced officially as usual and from what I hear from Grapevine, the list contains people who had nothing to do with the movement all this while.

So essentially, after the thought of the political party came about, the drift from IAC was deliberate. So the team Arvind can do everyone a favour and call this as Team Arvind's party and not use the name IAC even in the interim. I don't see magnanimity in the offer of Arvind not to use IAC's name or Annaji's name for the party, it was practical necessity. I would however, gently plead that this drift be announced very categorically so that unnecessary confusion and heartburn can be avoided.

I do not bear any grudge against anyone especially people like Shri Arvind Kejriwal, Shri Prashanth Bhushan whose personal integrity is very difficult to question. However, I think that as the leaders of the erstwhile IAC, they owe me, and the multitudes like me, an answer to the mess that we are in. For the efforts that we put in for the same cause that they fought for, with passion that is nothing less than theirs, don't we deserver an answer?

I hope that some of the "Core-team" members condescend to reply to my doubts.

Sincerely,

Venkat

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:31 AM, krishna oilmill <krishnaoilmil05@gmail.com> wrote:
All friendsplease be carefullThis Ajay Dixit is really Shivendra Singh Chauhan who is having some fight with Arvind Kejriwal.See his letter below.
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RE: [Hum] Fwd: [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement

Dt.19/11/12
Dear sir,
You are not appreciating the hard work put in by Arvind Kejrival and Anna Hazare specially Anna who has been
 fighting against corruption in Maharashtra during the last two decades. I am neither a member of IAC nor hold any brief for any of its leaders. At the same time I know PILs having been filed in
supreme Court by Prashant Bhusan in Association with NGOs and the relief obtained, the latest being the landmark Ruling in CVC appointment and the concept of integrity. Aso the work done by Arvind Kejriwal for monitoring the elections and fight for electoral reforms. And what is wrong if one of retired judge has lent support to the movement. His conduct has been above board so far. It is beyond the intelectuals like you and me( if you permit to include me) to run a peoples movement on all India basis.
Please do not bring the oblivision of Gandhi scion from political field. The foster Gandhi family is cashing on the charisma of Gandhi name
You should appreciate the good work done by Anna and Arvind so far and they will continue to do so till  2014.
Balot battles are fought on the ground and not on the internet.
 
 Let us not exhibit the same divisive nature of our society which had kept the country a slave  for thousands of year.
Regds
JKGaur
 

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:22:47 -0800
From: niyamshanti@yahoo.com
To: hum@lists.riseup.net; gandhiansb@gmail.com; info@transparencyindia.org; snehsantosh@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Hum] Fwd: [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement

Dear All

Well, a well meaning judge and a jurist has spoken from the bleeding heart for the country. One needs to have access to the  minds and hearts of the 50 odd crore  electorate. The 50 years old political parties have precisely got that edge over all the KEJRIWALS and even some ANNA HAZARES.I will be grateful to the people if i am proved wrong in 2014.

ANNA had started of very well. The  A  &  K combination was almost ordained by almighty . Although i do not hold the brief for the smart lady police officer but i do wish to say that the jurists in the  K  team need not have been there.The human weaknesses appear to be taking over.

If mere tours and talks would have worked in electoral battles, Gandhi Sion would not be in the oblivion today.

The K and the A teams are going in to play the "world cup" in 2014 without even warming up for the event . We the 'Aam Admi' appears to have missed the bus ,at least for now.Once again, I pray that I am proved wrong in 2014.

Omkar Razdan 
2011, 2012 Anna Activist and Satyagrahi

The K and the A teams are going in to play the "world cup" in 2014 without even warming up for the event . We the Aam Admi appears to have missed the bus ,at least for now.


--- On Mon, 12/11/12, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Hum] Fwd: [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement
To: hum@lists.riseup.net, "Gandhian Satyagraha Brigade" <gandhiansb@gmail.com>, "Transparency International India" <info@transparencyindia.org>, "S. K. Agarwal TII" <snehsantosh@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, 12 November, 2012, 1:08 PM

Is it all 'confusion worse confounded'? Is 'India Against Corruption' a Society; is it a Society registered under the Societies' Registration Act 1860? If it is not a Society, then is it merely a 'group of persons in association with each other' under Article 19(1)(c) of Constitution of India? If yes, then what are the particulars of each of the persons in the 'group'? Is it a legal entity entitled to sue and liable to be sued; if so, by what name?

 

Now please do not mar the fair concept of India Against Corruption, because the CONCEPT has helped the PEOPLE to stand up as ONE throughout the length and breadth of the Country against the prevailing massive Corruption all around. The genius of the   man who created the 'phrase' deserves praise; and if he and his supporters do not want to debunk the concept,  they may give serious thought to convert IAC into a regular Society as known to Law, and join hands with  Arvind Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan, Kiran Bedi and several other anti-corruption crusaders well recognized by the People as leaders of anti-corruption movement.

 

It is recognized by all that a 'political alternative' is absolutely necessary for making an effective dent into current political inertia of protecting crime and corruption. Pro-crime/corruption takes shelter behind the so-called representative character of our Parliament because they know that they can successfully thwart any anti-corruption measure through Parliament. History records PM Narasimha Rao's corruption in Jharkhand Mukti Morcha matter to prevent the fall of his Government, that for 50 years the Parliamentary snags have prevented enacting an effective Lokpal Act, that properties continue to be amassed in Benami Transactions despite Benami Transactions (Prohibition) Act 1988 through the device of not framing Rules to effectuate the Statute, that persons with criminal antecedents continue to be elected to Parliament and Legislatures, that Section 8(4) of Representation of People Act, which is blatantly supportive of a Convicted Parliamentarian or Legislator, is not repealed, that in effect vast majority of Members of Parliament and Legislatures do not represent the aspirations of the People who elect them, that Parliamentary Privilege of immunity from action under Article 105(2)/ 194(2) of the Constitution continue to be abused, that no roll of their duties  was ever framed to be performed within their Constituencies or some sort of monitoring of their performance for the People to see – so on & so forth. The manner in which important laws are not framed under the so-called Supremacy of Parliament, despite repeated pronouncements of Supreme Court that Sovereignty vests in the People and only the Constitution of India is 'Supreme' – all call for a credible Political Alternative in the Parliament whatever the strength of the 'alternative party' may be. AAM AADMI PARTY is a good name.

 

            The Nation will be grateful if the confusion is cleared at the earliest. May God be with you in your ventures of National Causes. With Deepawali Greetings,

 

            Yours sincerely,

                     KN

 

 

 

 

 

From the Desk of :

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Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

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`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh , India

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+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

 


From: hum-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:hum-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of IAC INFO
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:26 PM
To: hum@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [Hum] Fwd: [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement

 

Dear Sarbajit and friends
FYI
The copy of 3rd email issued by IAC(Arvind) recently.
Ajay


The general press release has already been issued to local media by IAC-HQ as planned from the official IAC PR email ID. It has been clarified in it that you may be issuing your own statement later. We can tweak everything in your statement. Copy of the general press release as sent out is being uploaded right now to IAC private mailing list also.

Ash

 

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <parivartanindia@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't issue any press release. I discussed with Prashant and a few others. Will discuss with everyone and then make it public.

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel


From: Ash IAC-Media <ash.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:34:28 +0530

To: indiaagainstcorruption<indiaagainstcorruption@lists.riseup.net>

Subject: [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement

 

Dear Friends

Shri Arvind Kejriwal has agreed not to use the name and style of India Against Corruption henceforth.
An official press release will be issued very shortly.

Ash
National Spokesperson India Against Corruption


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_arvind-kejriwal-agrees-not-to-use-iac-s-name_1763330
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_anna-hazare-claims-iac-s-name-arvind-kejriwal-ready-to-oblige_1763112
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/if-anna-hazare-asks-me-to-stop-using-iacs-name-i-wont-use-it-arvind-kejriwal/1030059/

 


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Fw: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India

Surely, all true patriot citizens are included in the veterans. 

People of the country confer every 5 years the power upon these natas to keep the nation happy, healthy and safe. Netas actually sell this people power illegally to crony capitalists for their personal gains only to come back again after 5 years to seek the people power again. This cycle has continued unabated for 65 years. Therefore, I reiterate, Jan Lokpal is to rid the country of political corruption. Sh Anna has already led this movement to a great degree of success and he needs to pursue it until a fool proof  broad based effective Jan Lokpal bill is passed and implemented which inter-alia seeks autonomy for CBI. 

5 years time bound implementation of NeGP is to rid the country of corruption in government obligations and services to its citizens where the perpetrators of such degradation are babus, police and judges. Anna must demand NeGP to be implemented directly under the watchful eyes of the honorable PM. Routine NeGP is already under slip shod implementation by Central IT Secy and State IT Secys. Upgraded NeGP to include spending process of more than $ 1 tn financial outlay in  5 year plans must be implemented by 2017 as a national objective committed by the PM. Monthly progress by Central IT Secy on National DD, State IT Secys on all Regional DDs and bimonthly progress by PM on National TV for 1.2 billion people of the country to know the status must be done. The regular update in the progress of implementation of NeGP is the right of every citizen and is far more important than the meaningless exercise going on for last 65 years by PM coming on TV on 26 Jan and 15 Aug to do a lip service to the same people by giving them hollow assurances and speaking on corrupt and half baked MNREGA, PDS, free meals, subsidies, BPL schemes, reservations etc. Such a national wasteful exercise must be stopped and substituted by giving progress to the people on national objectives of Jan Lokpal, NeGP, national infrastructure projects etc.

These two, Jan Lokpal and NeGP are not theory, abstraction or merely concept. These two are actual permanent ground actions to create huge deterrent to the pol class and the governance machinery from getting into the gutter of corruption ever. Other things like change of hearts, self regulation, community oriented teachings against corruption would continue so long as the civilization exists but they are far from acting as system oriented deterrent against corruption. 

Every citizen irrespective of caste, creed, profession or political leaning must support Anna in these two demands as their duty. Team Anna in turn must get the PM to treat these as national commitment just like nuclear deterrent policy. 

Jai Hind. 
Col Mahesh Khera

From: Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:02:51 +0000
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Cc: Col. Mahesh Khera<mkkhera@yahoo.com>; <iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India

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Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:52:39 +0530
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Re:Eradicaion of corruption in India
From: thakursinghk@gmail.com
To: colarun.joshi@gmail.com; israel@jayakaran.com; kumar2786@hotmail.com; iacmailreply6@gmail.com
CC: mkkhera@yahoo.com; iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com

Dear All,

 Please elaborate as how can we implement National E Governance Plan (NeGP) 2005 to end the corruption + janlokpal.

Regards

Col Thakur Singh

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> wrote:
Hullo All,
 
        I am  Israel Jayakaran, veteran,Chennai.
 
        I have been following all your messages and the Denmark example on eradicating coruption in India. While you have been exploring the steps, you have forgotten the reasons as to why some people resort to  corruption and adopt corrupt practices.
 
        What is the aim        behind  the             corrupt       practices?      Not everyone indulges in them but only a few;  may be in thousnads and yet they areonly a few.  Who  are they?  Not like people like you and me who draw a pension andlive comfortably. And the corrupt also lead a comfortable life.  But the money they have is not sufficient for their future profession - Politics !.  Some people in India want to enjoy high status and that happens to be politics as of now.
 
        It's not an easy thing to get elected in our marvellous democracy.  You need tons and tons of money to win elections. Unless you are a    multi         millionnaire,   you       can't    think        of   standing for elections.  Any winning candidate will certify to it.And this quantum could come only through corrupt means;  legal routes just won't fetch even one thousandth of the needed money.  So, now you understand why some people indulge in corruption and corrupt ptactices.Once you get     elected, you think of the next elections and prepare for it   and   collect crores while you are in position of power. And the process continues.
 
       Once upon a time, a  candidate spent just Rs 25,000 for Lok sabha election.  Not anymore.  You need 250 crores in   present times.
 
       So, the villain of the piece is 'the high cost of election'.  If we make elections a cheap affair, nobody would amass wealth to fight it. I am viualising a situation whereof one is not  required to spend even ONE rupee on elections and yet he/she  could get elected because he/she is a highly competent person to rule the land.  Unbelievable,isn't it?  And yet it is possible to set up such  a system.  I have thought of a foolproof one, for that matter.
      
        And tell me, why the highly experienced and most knwledgeable candidates don't stand for elecitons;  the intelligenstia to be precise?  High cost ! my friend.  And these gentlemen and ladies don't want to make illegal money to fight elections.  So, thugs who know the art of amassing tons of money stand for elections.  What kind of intellectual contributions  could you expect from illiterates like them? Is ours  a government of the people?  "People" is not any Lallu,  Panju and Idiots.  A particular brand of humans recognised and accepted by the electorate.     
 
 
       So, let us not waste our valuable time at finding ways and means to eradicate corruption but apply our mind as to how to get the 545 members elected out of 1.2 billion people with the minimum cost on the part of the government and at no cost on the part of the candidates. Corruption then will automatically get eleminated.  Incidentally, did it ever occur to you that no one wants to indulge in mal practices;  their conscience would tell them that but they are forced into it because they want to be MPs and MLAs? 
 
       Our Indian Election system has not ony killed one's conscience but have also detached  these indians from the connecting line to God.  Some 40 to 50 years ago, an Indian was known as the most God fearing man in the world. And the world too acknoledged this fact.  But    not anymore. "Where is God?" an Indian asks these days.
 
 
                                                   Israel Jayakaran,     Colonel (Retd), Signals, veteran, Chennai.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Hi Arun,

Surely, your point is valid, ultimately, it is the man behind the gun. However, in many routine automation of functions, the dependency of man can be completely done away with. The classic example is banking. Pl recall, how ICICI and HDFC etc made debut with automation and they succeeded in all urban market in nineties and semi urban market in the previous decade. Seeing their astounding success, PSU banks have also improved now though it has taken them around 15-20 years or so but today in CBS branches of PSU banks, no one is dependent upon bank babus. 

All we need is to demand two things from the govt, Jan Lokpal bill and 5 years implementation of fool proof NeGP under the direct charge of PMO. If IAC can do their home work, they should just swamp the nation, mobilize the people with these two demands only and force the govt to give monthly progress of NeGP on national TV by IT secy and on regional TV by state IT secy. Non achievement of time bound targets should result in heads roll. Watch the most lethal combination of Jan Lokpal and NeGP in the world working wonders in 1.2 billion strong and 50 % illiterate  India. 90 % netas, babus, police, judges and crony capitalists will be turned around by the same Indian people who have been taken for a ride for last 65 years and at least 90 % corruption will vanish by 2017 and 10 % corruption will land the people responsible in jail. India jumps to 41 rank in least corrupt nations index just after 40 developed countries.  
 
Jai Hind

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera


From: arun joshi <colarun.joshi@gmail.com>
To: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com>
Cc: "iac@lists.riseup.net" <iac@lists.riseup.net>; "iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com" <iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Dear Col Khera,
Pardon the interruption.
I was fortunate to attend a course MMA (ADP) in 1987 (Middle Management appreciation- automated data processing) There was one prayer our instructors recited daily.........
"Gentlemen ,these systems as they evolve are support systems. Remember it is absolutely essential for the man behind the machine to be true to his job.
I fully subscribe to your views of e governance. It will assist in reducing corruption to a discernible extent. However not until our genes (especially Govt servants) are completely overhauled would we see an improvement. 
I am presently struggling to obtain a birth certificate. Struggling because I refused to pay the Lady Rs 1000/-. RTI and a personal interview with the Commissioner of the City has not helped as yet. 
Nevertheless I have not yet lost hope.
With Regards

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear M/s Kris and Iftikhar,

We must thank you for bringing out such live examples to the people of India. I am happy to see this as also the curiosity of the people as to when a small democratic country like Denmark can be No 1 least corrupt country then India the world's greatest democracy can also be similar.

I must share with you that in Oct 2010, in a seminar on mobile broadband, I brought out that Denmark has achieved No 1 rank in least corrupt index due to their commitment to implement their national e governance program. The two secys to the government of India were on the chair. Secy DoT just dismissed me that I do not know any thing that India has a National E Governance Plan (NeGP) 2005 and this is under implementation. The other gentleman, Chairman TRAI did appreciate what I said and he was of the opinion that India seriously needs to look at what Denmark has done. For Danish NeGP, they have had huge broadband penetration in the country over which their NeGP, inter-alia,  touching upon every national infrastructure project right from e-RFP, to e-tendering, e-bidding, e-purchase order, e-implementation monitoring and e-operations monitoring has been included. You can imagine our NeGP 2005, the less said the better. We had 2G scam, CWG scam, Coal scam, host of mining, land, power scams and so on. Going forward, we have a $ trillion financial outlay in our 5 year plan, an unlimited money for nation building and some people must be licking their fingers. Suppose, we were actually implementing the real NeGP 2005, all these scams would not have been there. If at all some one does then the e evidence which is indelible in nature can nail the person(s) and within less than a year, the guilty is/are prosecuted, sentenced and find themselves in jail. Imagine, the huge deterrent which true NeGP can bring to the corruption. This is what Denmark has successfully implemented.

I would be happy to contribute to the real India's NeGP through Telecom, Media and Technology (TMT) which in conjunction with Jan Lok Pal can give 90 % relief to India from corruption. For more details, would request you to please click the URL  http://www.ktmt.in/Recent%20News/News_24.aspx
 
With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

From: Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com>
To: iac@lists.riseup.net; iftikhar.gilani@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] How Denmark has curbed corruption? c link

Iftikar,

I like the way Denmark has done. Do you think it's possible in India? If yes, how do we make it happen?

Best,

Kris Dev





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