Saturday, September 27, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON NON HINDI SPEAKING STATES

Dear Friends,

Hindi is a great language and we should take pride in our National language and use it everywhere, however we need to understand that English language is the international language and Indians are one of the few peoples who are proficient in this language. So DO NOT promote Hindi at the cost of English and both the languages should go side by side. The fact that so many Indians get jobs outside the country is because of their English language besides technical and academic qualifications. However the best and and most easy to understand is the Bollywood Hindi. If you speak UP's "Sudha" it will go overhead of most of the Indians but Bollywood Hindi every body understands. 

Regards,

Col Mani K Gahatraj (Retd)

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Devinder Chopra <ddchop47@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends All,
i have followed the issue of Hindi and India's lingua franca, not only now over the internet, but over the previous decades, off and on -- now having touched my 80 th.
Prem Sabhlok ji and a few others have been very pragmatic on this subject. IF quick & correct communication is our goal, then Hindustani, spoken or written ought to get promoted -- by All. Including the Centre & the States. 
English should continue to flourish, as it has done in the course of our near-to seven decades, soon.
Literary Hindi has its place & no one should bar its growth, concurrently. All the current official languages of India should prosper and get any assistance from the States concerned or the Centre. Why not?
Let us recognise and promote the richness of our culture that remains unique in the 21 st century in this sub-continent. Our languages, spoken and written by millions in our neighbouring countries help promote trade & commerce, cultural activities, education, etc. and thus a better understanding among the common people, at large.
Hindi, Bengali and Urdu -- just to take ONE example are spoken or written very well by millions of Indians as by the citizens next door in Nepal, Bengal and Pakistan, respectively.
(Having studied Urdu up to my high school from my days in Lahore and later Delhi, put me in a better stead when serving in the Middle East, or Afghanistan...)

Hindustani cinema and the TV channels have promoted Hindustani perfectly; let us continue to support and build on that in the years and generations to come. Thus allowing with goodwill the support to all our Regional Languages and NOT hinder or suffocate their richness or growth.
IF we or our policies in the future tend to do that, then i see "ourselves, cutting the branch of a tree on which we s tand" -- to hopefully bring this point to a conclusion.

Shared with respect, asense of humility & good fortune to have been born an Indian!
devinder das chopra
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***
 

On 26 September 2014 11:22, Prem Sabhlok <premsabhlok@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Having  lived in Assam, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Andhra , Punjab, J and K and other parts of India, I noticed that even though their local language is different, People understand Hindustani and not Hindi. I gave two hour talk on Vedas in Pune and Chennai in Hindustani with a few words of English, local people could understand. Since people in different parts of India do not understand Hindi and Sanskrit, they developed their own scriptures in local languages. This has led to a lot of confusion by the followers of Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Let Hindi be made simpler by adding a few common words of Urdu, Tamil, Bengali etc. I find English language is also adding some common words of different languages. Shakespearean English people do not understand even in U.K. Even Americans find difficult to understand Australian English. I have been to Australia a number of times in the last 15 years , still can not understand what my grand daughter/grand son and their friends speak in English. Let Hindi evolve to Hindusatani including a few commonly used  words of English.

Regards
Prem Sabhlok    ,  

On Friday, 26 September 2014 6:53 AM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:


Let's not play into the hands of the politicians.All languages are good.Hindi happens to be a common link between us Indians.Though i do beg to say that spoken Hindi is easy but written Hindi is another ball game.May be that consession can be made here.
Regards to all.
On 24 Sep 2014 21:20, "Sk Chadda" <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Venkataraman,
Why there is fear of treatmeant as second grade citizens to non Hindi speaking states. This is fact a common person of Tamilnadu enjoys Hindi films as much as a person from UP or MP. Actors like Rajanikanth, Kamal Hassan, Sridevi, Vyjantimala, Padmini etc were accepted by Hindi speaking states, in spite of the fact that all these great people had slightly different accent.

I feel its only a mental blockage / ego problem / political issue to oppose Hindi. By the way, states like Punjab, West Bengal, Gujrat, Maharashtra, Odisha, AP, Karnataka, Telangana, and all NE Staes are all non Hindi speaking states. I don't think all these states are being treated as second grade.

It is really, a requirement to have a common language and since Hindi is generally understood and spoken by every part of the country, so it is prudent to accept Hindi as a compulsory language to be taught to all irrespective of which language is spoken in a particular state.

SK Chadda  

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Lalit Mohan Sharma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Very Right Sir

English is link language of the world

and

HINDI is Link Language of INDIA.

If Tamilians want to isolate themselves from rest of India, better to learn Tamil only. If they want to communicate with West, North, East India, it is better and easy to learn Hindi instead of learning different languages like Marathi/Gujarati, Punjabi, Bengali to communicate.

Some of the anti nationals, particularly in Tamil Nadu proudly learn English (a Foreign Language) but not ready to accept Hindi (most spoken language in most of the states in India). Remember there are 28 other states also in India and not just Tamil Nadu.
Compare - Hindi is spoken in how many states and in how many states Tamil is spoken?

Hindi is widely spoken and understood in states having non-Hindi Official Language like Gujarat, Maharastra, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Bengal, Assam, Punjab, Jammu Kasmir. And what about Tamil outside Tamil Nadu?

So Tamilians be proud in learning Hindi, the language of masses.

  JAI HIND    

 Lalit Mohan Sharma 
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On Thursday, 18 September 2014 1:55 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:


It is a fact of life today that english alone can be the medium of international discourse and hindi in India as this is a language which the largest number of people in India understand

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Pratik Chaudhari <pratik19chaudhari@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I am fully agree aboot Mr. Venkataramans thoughts. But we don't have any other language that could replace Hindi. Hindi Understanding population is far more than any other language understanding population. English is foreign language. We have to learn English as it is language of communication in the world. But at same time there are crores of people in all over India who doesn't understand English and Hindi too. So if a person then he maybe a Prime Minister of India want to communicate with people of India then it is better to communicate in Hindi because of following reason
1) Hindi speaking population is far more than any other language speaking population in India.
2) Speaker can't learn every language that get spoken in our country.
3) Speaker can't use English though he knows it because Common people(Mango-People) does not necesarrily know the English language.

 So now we have to become matured enough to form One Country with various cultures, religions, languages but at same time with Common National Language with Common System that gives equal opportunities to all and we don't have any other alternative except Hindi to be our national language. So Non Hindi Speaking people must learn Hindi for communication purpose or for day to day Hindi.  So that our country will get more binded than today.Specially Tamilians who opposed Hindi to become as National language must learn Hindi; 

   Non Hindi Speaking people can learn English but why they hesitate to learn Hindi which is one of the most spoken language in our country where as English is foreign language. So now let's be matured and stop opposing Hindi to be a national language. Evon my mother tongue is not Hindi and It's not like that I don't love or I don't have pride of my mother tongue.But Hindi is the only alternative we have to be as national language. 


Thanks & Regards,
Pratik

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
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                                                                                   IMPOSITION  OF  HINDI  ON  NON  HINDI  SPEAKING  STATES
 
It is surprising that those in charge of policy making in NDA  government do not understand the intensity of the anger and frustration  amongst the people in the non Hindi states due to the subtle attempts of Modi government to gradually impose Hindi. 
The genuine fear of the people in the non Hindi speaking states is that they would be reduced to second class citizens in the country  if Hindi would be imposed , as those speaking Hindi will get distinct advantage over the non Hindi speaking people at the national level.
Mr. Naredndra Modi does not seem to be aware of the  intense and popular anti Hindi agitation in non Hindi speaking states particularly in Tamil Nadu, when Mr. Lal Bahadur Shastri was the Prime Minister.  Schools and colleges had to remain closed for around three months in Tamil Nadu due to anti Hindi  protest by the students. Finally, Mr. Shastri had to give an assurance that Hindi would not be made national language so long as non Hindi speaking people would not want it. The situation has not much changed as far as the imposition of Hindi is concerned.
Today, India has enough problems and there is no feelings of difference in the country on  language issue. Mr. Narendra Modi  should not create new issues by trying to impose Hindi.
Even today, many people in non Hindi speaking states , particularly in Tamil Nadu , feel like aliens as they do not understand Mr. Modi speaking Hindi everywhere without any translators. When he spoke in Hindi to the school children on Teacher's Day , lakhs of school students in non Hindi speaking states felt left out and wondered  as to whether the Prime Minister belong to  Hindi knowing people only.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?

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[IAC#RG] DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?

 
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                                                 DOES VERDICT AGAINST JAYALALITHA SIGNIFY ANYTHING ?
 
 
The court verdict  punishing  Ms. Jayalalitha  in the corruption case certainly is a step forward in the anti corruption movement in India. However, this verdict does not  by itself should give any big hope , as the verdict has come after nearly eighteen years of trial.
 
Thousands  of corrupt persons in various walks of life including politicians, bureaucrats, educationists and even so called religious leaders are now going scot free, as the process of judiciary takes very long time and many of them do not receive the much deserved punishment in their life time. Further, the suspicions about judiciary itself  is a big deterrent for the anti corruption movement in India. 
 
In the present circumstances, one cannot expect much from the politicians in power and judiciary to improve the judicial system and ensure speedy justice. 
 
Huge pressure  has to be applied not only on the government but also on judiciary to ensure delivery of speedy justice , so that fear of punishment would deter the persons from indulging in corruption and nepotism.
 
With the media also increasingly going under the control of business houses, the anti corruption movement in India has to increasingly depend upon social media to spread the voice of wisdom. 
 
 In such conditions , the movement like India Against Corruption has huge responsibility and it should play a very  strong proactive role. Increasing participation of concerned persons in expressing their protests and voice through such movement  is also vitally important to build a climate of anti corruption in India.
 
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON NON HINDI SPEAKING STATES

Friends All,
i have followed the issue of Hindi and India's lingua franca, not only now over the internet, but over the previous decades, off and on -- now having touched my 80 th.
Prem Sabhlok ji and a few others have been very pragmatic on this subject. IF quick & correct communication is our goal, then Hindustani, spoken or written ought to get promoted -- by All. Including the Centre & the States. 
English should continue to flourish, as it has done in the course of our near-to seven decades, soon.
Literary Hindi has its place & no one should bar its growth, concurrently. All the current official languages of India should prosper and get any assistance from the States concerned or the Centre. Why not?
Let us recognise and promote the richness of our culture that remains unique in the 21 st century in this sub-continent. Our languages, spoken and written by millions in our neighbouring countries help promote trade & commerce, cultural activities, education, etc. and thus a better understanding among the common people, at large.
Hindi, Bengali and Urdu -- just to take ONE example are spoken or written very well by millions of Indians as by the citizens next door in Nepal, Bengal and Pakistan, respectively.
(Having studied Urdu up to my high school from my days in Lahore and later Delhi, put me in a better stead when serving in the Middle East, or Afghanistan...)

Hindustani cinema and the TV channels have promoted Hindustani perfectly; let us continue to support and build on that in the years and generations to come. Thus allowing with goodwill the support to all our Regional Languages and NOT hinder or suffocate their richness or growth.
IF we or our policies in the future tend to do that, then i see "ourselves, cutting the branch of a tree on which we s tand" -- to hopefully bring this point to a conclusion.

Shared with respect, asense of humility & good fortune to have been born an Indian!
devinder das chopra
aka   dev chopra
9810338049.
***
 

On 26 September 2014 11:22, Prem Sabhlok <premsabhlok@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Having  lived in Assam, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Andhra , Punjab, J and K and other parts of India, I noticed that even though their local language is different, People understand Hindustani and not Hindi. I gave two hour talk on Vedas in Pune and Chennai in Hindustani with a few words of English, local people could understand. Since people in different parts of India do not understand Hindi and Sanskrit, they developed their own scriptures in local languages. This has led to a lot of confusion by the followers of Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Let Hindi be made simpler by adding a few common words of Urdu, Tamil, Bengali etc. I find English language is also adding some common words of different languages. Shakespearean English people do not understand even in U.K. Even Americans find difficult to understand Australian English. I have been to Australia a number of times in the last 15 years , still can not understand what my grand daughter/grand son and their friends speak in English. Let Hindi evolve to Hindusatani including a few commonly used  words of English.

Regards
Prem Sabhlok    ,  

On Friday, 26 September 2014 6:53 AM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:


Let's not play into the hands of the politicians.All languages are good.Hindi happens to be a common link between us Indians.Though i do beg to say that spoken Hindi is easy but written Hindi is another ball game.May be that consession can be made here.
Regards to all.
On 24 Sep 2014 21:20, "Sk Chadda" <chaddask@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Venkataraman,
Why there is fear of treatmeant as second grade citizens to non Hindi speaking states. This is fact a common person of Tamilnadu enjoys Hindi films as much as a person from UP or MP. Actors like Rajanikanth, Kamal Hassan, Sridevi, Vyjantimala, Padmini etc were accepted by Hindi speaking states, in spite of the fact that all these great people had slightly different accent.

I feel its only a mental blockage / ego problem / political issue to oppose Hindi. By the way, states like Punjab, West Bengal, Gujrat, Maharashtra, Odisha, AP, Karnataka, Telangana, and all NE Staes are all non Hindi speaking states. I don't think all these states are being treated as second grade.

It is really, a requirement to have a common language and since Hindi is generally understood and spoken by every part of the country, so it is prudent to accept Hindi as a compulsory language to be taught to all irrespective of which language is spoken in a particular state.

SK Chadda  

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Lalit Mohan Sharma <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Very Right Sir

English is link language of the world

and

HINDI is Link Language of INDIA.

If Tamilians want to isolate themselves from rest of India, better to learn Tamil only. If they want to communicate with West, North, East India, it is better and easy to learn Hindi instead of learning different languages like Marathi/Gujarati, Punjabi, Bengali to communicate.

Some of the anti nationals, particularly in Tamil Nadu proudly learn English (a Foreign Language) but not ready to accept Hindi (most spoken language in most of the states in India). Remember there are 28 other states also in India and not just Tamil Nadu.
Compare - Hindi is spoken in how many states and in how many states Tamil is spoken?

Hindi is widely spoken and understood in states having non-Hindi Official Language like Gujarat, Maharastra, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Bengal, Assam, Punjab, Jammu Kasmir. And what about Tamil outside Tamil Nadu?

So Tamilians be proud in learning Hindi, the language of masses.

  JAI HIND    

 Lalit Mohan Sharma 
 Mobile-9868543317

Nothing Left To Ask For, Everything To Fight For
      


On Thursday, 18 September 2014 1:55 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:


It is a fact of life today that english alone can be the medium of international discourse and hindi in India as this is a language which the largest number of people in India understand

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Pratik Chaudhari <pratik19chaudhari@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I am fully agree aboot Mr. Venkataramans thoughts. But we don't have any other language that could replace Hindi. Hindi Understanding population is far more than any other language understanding population. English is foreign language. We have to learn English as it is language of communication in the world. But at same time there are crores of people in all over India who doesn't understand English and Hindi too. So if a person then he maybe a Prime Minister of India want to communicate with people of India then it is better to communicate in Hindi because of following reason
1) Hindi speaking population is far more than any other language speaking population in India.
2) Speaker can't learn every language that get spoken in our country.
3) Speaker can't use English though he knows it because Common people(Mango-People) does not necesarrily know the English language.

 So now we have to become matured enough to form One Country with various cultures, religions, languages but at same time with Common National Language with Common System that gives equal opportunities to all and we don't have any other alternative except Hindi to be our national language. So Non Hindi Speaking people must learn Hindi for communication purpose or for day to day Hindi.  So that our country will get more binded than today.Specially Tamilians who opposed Hindi to become as National language must learn Hindi; 

   Non Hindi Speaking people can learn English but why they hesitate to learn Hindi which is one of the most spoken language in our country where as English is foreign language. So now let's be matured and stop opposing Hindi to be a national language. Evon my mother tongue is not Hindi and It's not like that I don't love or I don't have pride of my mother tongue.But Hindi is the only alternative we have to be as national language. 


Thanks & Regards,
Pratik

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
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                                                                                   IMPOSITION  OF  HINDI  ON  NON  HINDI  SPEAKING  STATES
 
It is surprising that those in charge of policy making in NDA  government do not understand the intensity of the anger and frustration  amongst the people in the non Hindi states due to the subtle attempts of Modi government to gradually impose Hindi. 
The genuine fear of the people in the non Hindi speaking states is that they would be reduced to second class citizens in the country  if Hindi would be imposed , as those speaking Hindi will get distinct advantage over the non Hindi speaking people at the national level.
Mr. Naredndra Modi does not seem to be aware of the  intense and popular anti Hindi agitation in non Hindi speaking states particularly in Tamil Nadu, when Mr. Lal Bahadur Shastri was the Prime Minister.  Schools and colleges had to remain closed for around three months in Tamil Nadu due to anti Hindi  protest by the students. Finally, Mr. Shastri had to give an assurance that Hindi would not be made national language so long as non Hindi speaking people would not want it. The situation has not much changed as far as the imposition of Hindi is concerned.
Today, India has enough problems and there is no feelings of difference in the country on  language issue. Mr. Narendra Modi  should not create new issues by trying to impose Hindi.
Even today, many people in non Hindi speaking states , particularly in Tamil Nadu , feel like aliens as they do not understand Mr. Modi speaking Hindi everywhere without any translators. When he spoke in Hindi to the school children on Teacher's Day , lakhs of school students in non Hindi speaking states felt left out and wondered  as to whether the Prime Minister belong to  Hindi knowing people only.
 
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Friday, September 26, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON NON HINDI SPEAKING STATES

Learning Hindi on one's on accord is different from forcing the issue down the throats of unwilling people. It's wrong to say all indian languages are derived from Hindi. If you meant sanskrit it could be true to some extent barring Tamil. Tamil is the original language of India. Sanskrit was brought to India by indo-aryans who occupied gangetic plains driving original inhabitants away at the early dawn of civilisation. YOUR LOVE FOR hINDI SHOULD NOT TURN INTO FANATISISM.


On Friday, 26 September 2014 6:52 AM, Akash Tripathi <akash.biochem@gmail.com> wrote:


As per my own knowledge and opinion all languages of India is derived from 1 language (hindi=devnagri=Sanskrit)  and  do includes some words in its impaired form. eg. Sarswati is changed to Saraswathi.!!!...what is this...???
World recognize India as a Hindi speaking country, not by Telgu, Tamil, Bengali, Marathi etc. Even they call us as HINDI.
Only Hindi language has the power to give a message to the world that we have unity in diversity. We should have to respect for all state, regional and local languages but we all must learn Hindi.
 
Jay HINDI......Jay Bharat.....!!!! 

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Harish Damodaran <harishdamodaran@thehindu.co.in> wrote:
All pro-Hindiwallahs also send their children to English-medium schools. People in rural India and urban slums want their children to learnt English. And we are now wanting to impose Hindi!  
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When the GOI has laid down a 3-language
formula then every communication to the
public should be in all the 3-languages.

After all what is a language for?
to communicate with a person in the 
language one understands BEST.

The same thing is happening in Maharashtra,
imposing Marathi. Is this the way to progress?

Hypocracy! All the govt. servants who insist
on Marathi send their children to English Schools.  

 
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No explanation is necessary,
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On Thursday, 18 September 2014 1:59 PM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:


Well said.

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On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "colarun.joshi@gmail.com" <colarun.joshi@gmail.com> wrote:

God when are we going to grow up. I am willing to learn russian french etc by paying through my nose and feel proud about it. But get a constipation whrn asked to accept Hindi for functionality. Mera Bharat Mahan


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-------- Original message --------
From: Ramakrishnan N
Date:15/09/2014 21:45 (GMT+05:30)
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON NON HINDI SPEAKING STATES

I fully share your views

On Monday, September 15, 2014, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
 
To
 
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                                                                                   IMPOSITION  OF  HINDI  ON  NON  HINDI  SPEAKING  STATES
 
It is surprising that those in charge of policy making in NDA  government do not understand the intensity of the anger and frustration  amongst the people in the non Hindi states due to the subtle attempts of Modi government to gradually impose Hindi. 
The genuine fear of the people in the non Hindi speaking states is that they would be reduced to second class citizens in the country  if Hindi would be imposed , as those speaking Hindi will get distinct advantage over the non Hindi speaking people at the national level.
Mr. Naredndra Modi does not seem to be aware of the  intense and popular anti Hindi agitation in non Hindi speaking states particularly in Tamil Nadu, when Mr. Lal Bahadur Shastri was the Prime Minister.  Schools and colleges had to remain closed for around three months in Tamil Nadu due to anti Hindi  protest by the students. Finally, Mr. Shastri had to give an assurance that Hindi would not be made national language so long as non Hindi speaking people would not want it. The situation has not much changed as far as the imposition of Hindi is concerned.
Today, India has enough problems and there is no feelings of difference in the country on  language issue. Mr. Narendra Modi  should not create new issues by trying to impose Hindi.
Even today, many people in non Hindi speaking states , particularly in Tamil Nadu , feel like aliens as they do not understand Mr. Modi speaking Hindi everywhere without any translators. When he spoke in Hindi to the school children on Teacher's Day , lakhs of school students in non Hindi speaking states felt left out and wondered  as to whether the Prime Minister belong to  Hindi knowing people only.
 
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Re: [IAC#RG] SUPREME COURT CRYING FOR JUSTICE

Complain to the Chief Justice of the High Court

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Girendra Singh <badhotia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
Please advice that can you make a complaint (if yes, where?, to whom?) if any session judge has been corrupt and acquitted all the accuseds in any case by means of corrupt practices, can a complainant can make a complaint to higher judiciary or not? 
Please also advice that in state case, if PP has not worked properly, there may be any complaint (if yes to whom).?


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen many such victims in my legal practice,
One poor man  lost his son in a Honour killing by known people, Delhi Police blamed  some unidentified people, Crime branch had fortified Delhi Police's Story. It took several years for that father to get  investigation transferred to CBI. When CBI took investigation all available evidences where either tampered or not traceable. CBI finally got a co-accused to give statement. But CBI had also done mischief by letting elders. Finally three accused were charge sheeted . After 13 years the matter refereed to Juvenile court , two were again sent back to normal court and punished for life . One is still before the juvenile court with confusing date of birth documents. The appeal of the convicted prisoners are pending before High Court. All this years the poor father is fighting for justice without any support from the state machinery, all the time he has seen hostile behavior from the Prosecutors and other govt lawyers. 

Another poor father had no whereabouts of his major son , who had been abducted by some people in board day light near palam.. All the call details and the number of the vehicle were proved to the police but no proper investigation. When he filed writ petition seeking CBI investigation a High court judge laughed by saying that " CBI can't take every kind of silly cases" Supreme court also reposed full faith upon Delhi police and thus the petition filed by the father is dismissed. Now this father is being harassed by the police for making allegations against the police in his petition.    

This kind of incidents are common and no media will  cover it.
 No court will show any interest in this kind of cases as the same was not a celebrated case like Arushi etc. 
Or it is not brought by a highly paid  lawyer like Shnati Bhooshan or Prasanth bhooshan. 

This kind of unending stories will be continued for the sake of welfare state  
  


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dipak Shah <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If any body goes to my cases at  High Court of Gujarat , one will wonder of Justice and also they were sit in Hon. Supreme Court of India!!!!
Shah D J


On Tuesday, 15 July 2014 9:27 PM, Prasad Vaidya <pbv1968@gmail.com> wrote:


The Judges are sitting as expert in every matter and in every subject. The Supreme Court it self is violating fundamental rights . The matters filed by party in person are heard lastly and matters are listed at the bottm. Right to file writ petition u/a 32 of constitution but party person is compelled to request to court to allow him to file writ petition This is deadly unconstitutional decision.
Supreme Court is protecting corrupt decision of imposing bar examination which is deadly unconstitutional but petition challanging bar exam is kept pending purposefully by Supreme Court and Supreme Court want to see Ad Gopal Surahmanyam as Judge of SCI the person who took unconstitutional decision and acted like dectator.
The High Court judges are not reading notes of arguments and hearing only 10 to 20 % arguments and pasing order in final hearing matter instead of passing judgment. The judges are not knowing that there is no limitation for filing writ petition.
How you can say SCI is crying



On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
There are well known cases,where judgement wasNEVER delivered by Supreme Court.
Do you believe?
Devi Lal oath of office in union cabinet.
J.K.Chaudhry

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On Jun 25, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Gopalarao Rao <gvgrao33@gmail.com> wrote:

It is said that justice delayed is justice denied. There is one case pending in the high court for the last 7 yrs and GOK when the judgement will be issued also whether it will be delivered during my life time ( I am now 81)
Some one from the high court may know my plight.

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On Jun 21, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It is the courts and courts only which are responsible not only for the subversion of the justice delivery system but for the increasing lawlessness and crimes. Just ask how many times the apex court had entertained bail applications of Raja and Kanimozhi? And now they are shamelessly trying to pass on the buck to the Parliament. Why courts, even quasi judicial organisation have been following the bad example of courts and have been only draining the exchequer without delivering even 1 percent of what they are tasked to deliver. The district forum in Palakkad had been adjourning a consumer complaint of a complainant in the adjoining district involving a doctor for years on end. Almost after ten years I sought info on the status of the complaint. I got the info that it is pending. But at the next date for hearing it was dismissed! I complained to the minister for consumer affairs and the chief minister here. Nothing happened, except that in response to the complaint to the CM the President of the Forum said that the stipulation of three months for disposing a complaint is only a guideline and that was it! For details please read my blogs:

Obnoxious functioning of consumer fora/commissions- letter to minister (of 8/1/11) at 



FRAUD IN GOVERNANCE AND REDRESSAL OF PUBLIC GRIEVANCES at

Eight years of right to information: Are those responsible for governance idiots or traitors? at

and more...

regards n bw

ravi


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Forum for Fast Justice <fastjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


SUPREME COURT CRYING FOR JUSTICE

Appex Court appeals to the Parliament for legislating appropriate laws and to the Government for rationalising decision making process for stemming vicious and frivolous cases and appeals being filed. Read the last paras in the Surbroto Roy Sahara's recent Supreme Court Judgement.

(Bhagvanji Raiyani)
Chairman & Managing Trustee
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"REPORTABLE"
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
CRIMINAL ORIGINAL JURISDICTION
WRIT PETITION (CRIMINAL) NO. 57 OF 2014

Subrata Roy Sahara …. Petitioner
versus
Union of India and others …. Respondents

J U D G M E N T
Jagdish Singh Khehar, J.


149. A lot of these hearings consumed this Court's full working day. Hearing of the main case, consumed one full part, of the entire summer vacation (of the Supreme Court) of the year 2012. For the various orders passed by us, including the order dated 31.8.2012 (running into 269 printed pages) and the present order (running into 205 printed pages), substantial Judge hours were consumed. In this country, judicial orders are prepared, beyond Court hours, or on non-working days. It is apparent, that not a hundred, but hundreds of Judge hours, came to be spent in the instant single Sahara Group litigation, just at the hands of the Supreme Court. This abuse of the judicial process, needs to be remedied. We are, therefore of the considered view, that the legislature needs to give a thought, to a very serious malady, which has made strong inroads into the Indian judicial system.
150. The Indian judicial system is grossly afflicted, with frivolous litigation. Ways and means need to be evolved, to deter litigants from their compulsive obsession, towards senseless and ill-considered claims. One needs to keep in mind, that in the process of litigation, there is an innocent sufferer on the other side, of every irresponsible and senseless claim. He suffers long drawn anxious periods of nervousness and restlessness, whilst the litigation is pending, without any fault on his part. He pays for the litigation, from out of his savings (or out of his borrowings), worrying that the other side may trick him into defeat, for no fault of his. He spends invaluable time briefing counsel and preparing them for his claim. Time which he should have spent at work, or with his family, is lost, for no fault of his. Should a litigant not be compensated for, what he has lost, for no fault? The suggestion to the legislature is, that a litigant who has succeeded, must be compensated by the one, who has lost. The suggestion to the legislature is to formulate a mechanism, that anyone who initiates and continues a litigation senselessly, pays for the same. It is suggested that the legislature should consider the introduction of a "Code of Compulsory Costs".
151. We should not be taken to have suggested, that the cost of litigation should be enhanced. It is not our suggestion, that Court fee or other litigation related costs, should be raised. Access to justice and related costs, should be as free and as low, as possible. What is sought to be redressed is a habituation, to press illegitimate claims. This practice and pattern is so rampant, that in most cases, disputes which ought to have been settled in no time at all, before the first Court of incidence, are prolonged endlessly, for years and years, and from Court to Court, upto the highest Court.
152. This abuse of the judicial process is not limited to any particular class of litigants. The State and its agencies litigate endlessly upto the highest Court, just because of the lack of responsibility, to take decisions. So much so, that we have started to entertain the impression, that all administrative and executive decision making, are being left to Courts, just for that reason. In private litigation as well, the concerned litigant would continue to approach the higher Court, despite the fact that he had lost in every Court hitherto before. The effort is not to discourage a litigant, in whose perception, his cause is fair and legitimate. The effort is only to introduce consequences, if the litigant's perception was incorrect, and if his cause is found to be, not fair and legitimate, he must pay for the same. In the present setting of the adjudicatory process, a litigant, no matter how irresponsible he is, suffers no consequences. Every litigant, therefore likes to take a chance, even when counsel's advice is otherwise.
153. Does the concerned litigant realize, that the litigant on the other side has had to defend himself, from Court to Court, and has had to incur expenses towards such defence? And there are some litigants who continue to pursue senseless and ill-considered claims, to somehow or the other, defeat the process of law. The present case, is a classic illustration of what we wish to express. Herein the regulating authority has had to suffer litigation from Court to Court, incurring public expense in its defence, against frivolous litigation. Every order was consistently and systematically disobeyed. Every order passed by the SEBI was assailed before the next higher authority, and then before this Court. Even though High Courts have no jurisdiction, in respect of issues regulated by the SEBI Act, some matters were taken to the High Court of Judicature at Allahabad (before its Lucknow Bench). Every such endeavour resulted in failure, and was also sometimes, accompanied with strictures. Even after the matter had concluded, after the controversy had attained finality, the judicial process is still being abused, for close to two years. A conscious effort on the part of the legislature in this behalf, would serve several purposes. It would, besides everything else, reduce frivolous litigation. When the litigating party understands, that it would have to compensate the party which succeeds, unnecessary litigation will be substantially reduced. At the end of the day, Court time lost is a direct loss to the nation. It is about time, that the legislature should evolve ways and means to curtail this unmindful activity. We are sure, that an eventual determination, one way or the other, would be in the best interest of this country, as also, its countrymen.
…………………………….J.
(K.S. Radhakrishnan)
…………………………….J.
(Jagdish Singh Khehar)
New Delhi;
May 6, 2014.


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Thursday, September 25, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] SUPREME COURT CRYING FOR JUSTICE

Dear Sir,
In mamtaland, the DG was pulled up by the High Court
For being influenced by the ruling party. There are many instances of police inaction wherever party people are involved. Why are not such officers summarily removed and left to seek justice if they are aggrieved? Just as ordinary citizens do.
Chanakya had prescribed double punishment for state servants.
Samir acharya

On 26-Sep-2014 7:08 AM, "Girendra Singh" <badhotia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
Please advice that can you make a complaint (if yes, where?, to whom?) if any session judge has been corrupt and acquitted all the accuseds in any case by means of corrupt practices, can a complainant can make a complaint to higher judiciary or not? 
Please also advice that in state case, if PP has not worked properly, there may be any complaint (if yes to whom).?


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen many such victims in my legal practice,
One poor man  lost his son in a Honour killing by known people, Delhi Police blamed  some unidentified people, Crime branch had fortified Delhi Police's Story. It took several years for that father to get  investigation transferred to CBI. When CBI took investigation all available evidences where either tampered or not traceable. CBI finally got a co-accused to give statement. But CBI had also done mischief by letting elders. Finally three accused were charge sheeted . After 13 years the matter refereed to Juvenile court , two were again sent back to normal court and punished for life . One is still before the juvenile court with confusing date of birth documents. The appeal of the convicted prisoners are pending before High Court. All this years the poor father is fighting for justice without any support from the state machinery, all the time he has seen hostile behavior from the Prosecutors and other govt lawyers. 

Another poor father had no whereabouts of his major son , who had been abducted by some people in board day light near palam.. All the call details and the number of the vehicle were proved to the police but no proper investigation. When he filed writ petition seeking CBI investigation a High court judge laughed by saying that " CBI can't take every kind of silly cases" Supreme court also reposed full faith upon Delhi police and thus the petition filed by the father is dismissed. Now this father is being harassed by the police for making allegations against the police in his petition.    

This kind of incidents are common and no media will  cover it.
 No court will show any interest in this kind of cases as the same was not a celebrated case like Arushi etc. 
Or it is not brought by a highly paid  lawyer like Shnati Bhooshan or Prasanth bhooshan. 

This kind of unending stories will be continued for the sake of welfare state  
  


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dipak Shah <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If any body goes to my cases at  High Court of Gujarat , one will wonder of Justice and also they were sit in Hon. Supreme Court of India!!!!
Shah D J


On Tuesday, 15 July 2014 9:27 PM, Prasad Vaidya <pbv1968@gmail.com> wrote:


The Judges are sitting as expert in every matter and in every subject. The Supreme Court it self is violating fundamental rights . The matters filed by party in person are heard lastly and matters are listed at the bottm. Right to file writ petition u/a 32 of constitution but party person is compelled to request to court to allow him to file writ petition This is deadly unconstitutional decision.
Supreme Court is protecting corrupt decision of imposing bar examination which is deadly unconstitutional but petition challanging bar exam is kept pending purposefully by Supreme Court and Supreme Court want to see Ad Gopal Surahmanyam as Judge of SCI the person who took unconstitutional decision and acted like dectator.
The High Court judges are not reading notes of arguments and hearing only 10 to 20 % arguments and pasing order in final hearing matter instead of passing judgment. The judges are not knowing that there is no limitation for filing writ petition.
How you can say SCI is crying



On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Dr. J. K. Chaudhry <jkchaudhry@gmail.com> wrote:
There are well known cases,where judgement wasNEVER delivered by Supreme Court.
Do you believe?
Devi Lal oath of office in union cabinet.
J.K.Chaudhry

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Gopalarao Rao <gvgrao33@gmail.com> wrote:

It is said that justice delayed is justice denied. There is one case pending in the high court for the last 7 yrs and GOK when the judgement will be issued also whether it will be delivered during my life time ( I am now 81)
Some one from the high court may know my plight.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 21, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

It is the courts and courts only which are responsible not only for the subversion of the justice delivery system but for the increasing lawlessness and crimes. Just ask how many times the apex court had entertained bail applications of Raja and Kanimozhi? And now they are shamelessly trying to pass on the buck to the Parliament. Why courts, even quasi judicial organisation have been following the bad example of courts and have been only draining the exchequer without delivering even 1 percent of what they are tasked to deliver. The district forum in Palakkad had been adjourning a consumer complaint of a complainant in the adjoining district involving a doctor for years on end. Almost after ten years I sought info on the status of the complaint. I got the info that it is pending. But at the next date for hearing it was dismissed! I complained to the minister for consumer affairs and the chief minister here. Nothing happened, except that in response to the complaint to the CM the President of the Forum said that the stipulation of three months for disposing a complaint is only a guideline and that was it! For details please read my blogs:

Obnoxious functioning of consumer fora/commissions- letter to minister (of 8/1/11) at 



FRAUD IN GOVERNANCE AND REDRESSAL OF PUBLIC GRIEVANCES at

Eight years of right to information: Are those responsible for governance idiots or traitors? at

and more...

regards n bw

ravi


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Forum for Fast Justice <fastjustice@gmail.com> wrote:


SUPREME COURT CRYING FOR JUSTICE

Appex Court appeals to the Parliament for legislating appropriate laws and to the Government for rationalising decision making process for stemming vicious and frivolous cases and appeals being filed. Read the last paras in the Surbroto Roy Sahara's recent Supreme Court Judgement.

(Bhagvanji Raiyani)
Chairman & Managing Trustee
Forum For Fast Justice


"REPORTABLE"
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
CRIMINAL ORIGINAL JURISDICTION
WRIT PETITION (CRIMINAL) NO. 57 OF 2014

Subrata Roy Sahara …. Petitioner
versus
Union of India and others …. Respondents

J U D G M E N T
Jagdish Singh Khehar, J.


149. A lot of these hearings consumed this Court's full working day. Hearing of the main case, consumed one full part, of the entire summer vacation (of the Supreme Court) of the year 2012. For the various orders passed by us, including the order dated 31.8.2012 (running into 269 printed pages) and the present order (running into 205 printed pages), substantial Judge hours were consumed. In this country, judicial orders are prepared, beyond Court hours, or on non-working days. It is apparent, that not a hundred, but hundreds of Judge hours, came to be spent in the instant single Sahara Group litigation, just at the hands of the Supreme Court. This abuse of the judicial process, needs to be remedied. We are, therefore of the considered view, that the legislature needs to give a thought, to a very serious malady, which has made strong inroads into the Indian judicial system.
150. The Indian judicial system is grossly afflicted, with frivolous litigation. Ways and means need to be evolved, to deter litigants from their compulsive obsession, towards senseless and ill-considered claims. One needs to keep in mind, that in the process of litigation, there is an innocent sufferer on the other side, of every irresponsible and senseless claim. He suffers long drawn anxious periods of nervousness and restlessness, whilst the litigation is pending, without any fault on his part. He pays for the litigation, from out of his savings (or out of his borrowings), worrying that the other side may trick him into defeat, for no fault of his. He spends invaluable time briefing counsel and preparing them for his claim. Time which he should have spent at work, or with his family, is lost, for no fault of his. Should a litigant not be compensated for, what he has lost, for no fault? The suggestion to the legislature is, that a litigant who has succeeded, must be compensated by the one, who has lost. The suggestion to the legislature is to formulate a mechanism, that anyone who initiates and continues a litigation senselessly, pays for the same. It is suggested that the legislature should consider the introduction of a "Code of Compulsory Costs".
151. We should not be taken to have suggested, that the cost of litigation should be enhanced. It is not our suggestion, that Court fee or other litigation related costs, should be raised. Access to justice and related costs, should be as free and as low, as possible. What is sought to be redressed is a habituation, to press illegitimate claims. This practice and pattern is so rampant, that in most cases, disputes which ought to have been settled in no time at all, before the first Court of incidence, are prolonged endlessly, for years and years, and from Court to Court, upto the highest Court.
152. This abuse of the judicial process is not limited to any particular class of litigants. The State and its agencies litigate endlessly upto the highest Court, just because of the lack of responsibility, to take decisions. So much so, that we have started to entertain the impression, that all administrative and executive decision making, are being left to Courts, just for that reason. In private litigation as well, the concerned litigant would continue to approach the higher Court, despite the fact that he had lost in every Court hitherto before. The effort is not to discourage a litigant, in whose perception, his cause is fair and legitimate. The effort is only to introduce consequences, if the litigant's perception was incorrect, and if his cause is found to be, not fair and legitimate, he must pay for the same. In the present setting of the adjudicatory process, a litigant, no matter how irresponsible he is, suffers no consequences. Every litigant, therefore likes to take a chance, even when counsel's advice is otherwise.
153. Does the concerned litigant realize, that the litigant on the other side has had to defend himself, from Court to Court, and has had to incur expenses towards such defence? And there are some litigants who continue to pursue senseless and ill-considered claims, to somehow or the other, defeat the process of law. The present case, is a classic illustration of what we wish to express. Herein the regulating authority has had to suffer litigation from Court to Court, incurring public expense in its defence, against frivolous litigation. Every order was consistently and systematically disobeyed. Every order passed by the SEBI was assailed before the next higher authority, and then before this Court. Even though High Courts have no jurisdiction, in respect of issues regulated by the SEBI Act, some matters were taken to the High Court of Judicature at Allahabad (before its Lucknow Bench). Every such endeavour resulted in failure, and was also sometimes, accompanied with strictures. Even after the matter had concluded, after the controversy had attained finality, the judicial process is still being abused, for close to two years. A conscious effort on the part of the legislature in this behalf, would serve several purposes. It would, besides everything else, reduce frivolous litigation. When the litigating party understands, that it would have to compensate the party which succeeds, unnecessary litigation will be substantially reduced. At the end of the day, Court time lost is a direct loss to the nation. It is about time, that the legislature should evolve ways and means to curtail this unmindful activity. We are sure, that an eventual determination, one way or the other, would be in the best interest of this country, as also, its countrymen.
…………………………….J.
(K.S. Radhakrishnan)
…………………………….J.
(Jagdish Singh Khehar)
New Delhi;
May 6, 2014.


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