Saturday, June 1, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: Need for Electoral Reforms -- Fundamental Deficiency

Dr. Arun Kumar

Am not suggesting reforms for the next elections in 2014. My target is 2019 by which time we should totally change our electoral system to a Proportionate Electoral System. 89 countries in the world have already shifted to it and only about 60 democracies (mostly former colonies of the British) are still holding on to our type of FPTP system. FPTP is designed for two party democracies. When it is applied to a multicultural and multiparty country like India, it leads to absolute dominance of some very powerful families, dynasties or parties controlled by a few. It leads to unlimited levels of corruption and violence. PR system countries on the other had have no police on polling days and much less corruption not only at the time of elections but also at other times of governance. 

The Campaign for Electoral Reforms in India (CERI) has already moved many things in this direction including mentions in the Parliament and the Election Commission setting up a special committee to look into the possibility of ushering in PR system in the country. This campaign is based on substantial researches in many countries and top guys on electoral systems preparing an India specific PR system. 

Please write to me to get hold of soft copies of these documents. I have also written a book on Electoral Systems that is available in almost all online bookshops. My email is: mcraj.reds@gmail.com

Raj

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:58 AM, L. B. Thapa <apasmalb@gmail.com> wrote:
Echoing to Dr Arun's line , will the electronic Voting machine be possible to reduce the booth and muscles capturing? Do theese EVMs self or auto function under the soloar energy where no central grid system is linked or heavy load shedding like in rural parts of the country? If solar is used then it can be used in Nepal's upcoming election too .
L B


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Rai,

I have not gone into detail of your ideas but on the surface this sounds very interesting. Would you 
please let me know how the proposed electoral system can be applicable in the coming general election?

Dr. Kumar Arun


Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 00:18:50 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: Need for Electoral Reforms -- Fundamental Deficiency

Dear friends,

I am attaching a research document on the subject, how to select the best public supported candidate in election process. There are various ways to do it. One of them is Approval Voting System. Time has come that we introduce a new thinking on how to select a representative out of many candidates. In a democracy people must be given sovereign and wider powers to select a candidates. The current process is introduced by British rulers whose motto was to divide and rule. Currently a candidate manages to get himself elected by dividing opposition votes and feeding to his own vote-bank. People have to understand this problem. The answer could be a Run off Election between two best voted candidates, and whoever secures more than half (50%) votes is winner. But here we have to bear the cost of two times election process, it is a drawback for our country.

I will talk about one time election process and people to select the best of the candidates. Here we allow voter (people) to vote for multiple candidates to as many as he or she likes (No limitation of single voting). Every candidate so voted gets one vote each. In this way the whole constituency rates good candidates from the list of all the contestants in the election. The candidate who gets maximum votes (majority public support) wins the election, as he or she is the best rated or selected candidate out of all. It is so simple and without the fear of vote divisions among multiple candidates. In this election process, the only hardship will be for election commission to count more number of votes.

This will have multiple benefits. Divisive campaigning will become a thing of past as a candidate will have to work for entire section of society rather than his vote bank. Secondly if people see more options to choose from and meaningful electoral process, they will turnout in large numbers to vote. It will strengthen the democracy and also unite the population.

The other suggestions as right to reject, right to recall, control of muscle power and state funding of election are also very important suggestions and must be adopted in our framework. after all, all the money spent in election, white or black, it is public money. So why not state funding of election.

BRIJESH KUMAR RAI
Nerul NaviMumbai


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM, harish malhotra <hc_malhotra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Friends ,
 
 You may already be aware about  the recent  initiative undertaken by   Mrs. Kiran Majumdar Shaw CMD of Biocon Industry  , Mr T V Mohandas Pai ( ex Infosys and now the Chairman Manipal Global Education )  and a few others   to sponsor through the Bangalore Political Action Committee ( B.PAC) , a few young  , honest and dynamic professionals as  candidates for the Karnataka State  Elections  on 5th. May . Out of 14 candidates  sponsored  5  attained the desired success at the polls and got elected and 3 made tremendous impact and got the taste of it  , which will undoubtedly ,open up further options in the oncomming Elections due  in other States and later for the Lok Sabha as well .
 I also have the  pleasure in sharing a self explanatory  document describing the need for Electoral Reforms , which to our mind , are the Fundamental Reforms . We will have to mobilise the YOUTH  ENERGY  to demand this , without which , it will NOT happen and we will remain where  we are today or become even worse .

 
The attachment is a self explanatory  document written by Mr P P Rao , Eminent  Senior Advocate Supreme Court and one of the REVERED  EXPERTS  on  the Constitution Law . This document  is well  worth reading and sharing with your friends / associates , the  family and also  the GROUPS OF  YOUTH , wherever you may  access  them in your circle , so as to Enlighten and Awaken  them  for  their Honest Focus on what our specific Hopes and  Demands should be about the "  FUNDAMENTAL   REFORMS " in our NATIONAL AND THEIR  OWN  PUBLIC  INTEREST  . I wish the present  Activists and the Speakers  comming regularly  on the Prime Time  Television Programs  every day , instead of just  Preaching / Denigrading the Political Leaders and / or the  Parties  and highlighting ONLY the  prevailing  problems without proposing any  Viable and / or Available  Solutions / Options   , should concentrate more  to Educate and Energise  the Youth about the Various  Issues of Priority  Concern such as  the  Uninspiring , Untrustworthy and Self-Seeking   Political Leadership , Divisive Politics , Incapacity of Governance which is NEITHER being able to Formulate Policies  NOR  is  it being able to  Handle the Huge , Costly and  Ineffective   Administrative  Machinery  in  it's Delivery of Services to the Public , thereby , Remaining  Unable  to Fulfill it's Responsibilities to Serve Our National Security and Public  Interests .
 . In order to Inclusively  Develop Economically , India needs  Mental Resources , Material resources and the WILL  to Progress. While we  have the First Two , but NOT  the Third in Reality  . We have the Wish to Progress ;  but we have yet to Develop the WILL at the Helm of Leadership  to progress  through  Determined Actions .However , there seems to be some Glimpse of  Evolutionary  Stocktaking , currently  going on  amongst  the pubic , which will hopefully  lead us to the desired  CHANGE in ATTITUDES .  To note , a Bad Government is the Inevitable Consequence of an Indifferent  Electorate and  it's Vague Level of  Awareness .
It is also  a Vicious Circle wherein , the Men / Women of Talent and Integrity will NOT Enter Public Life because of the Existing  Filth and the Stench; and yet Public Life cannot be Cleansed unless Men and Women of Talent and Integrity enter it and Assume their Social  Responibilities .
Nevertheless , I have great hopes in our Young Men and Women of Talent once they are Awakened to Combine their Energies  . The National Conscience will  Continuously  be Aroused till it  Reaches  such a Degree that it will Cease to Tolerate any further   Falsehood and Dishonesty in Public Life . Standards of Ethics and Decency in Public Life are less Easy to Enforce by Law than by Public Opinion . What our country today badly needs , and sadly lacks, is not  Political  Leadership but  Moral  Leadership, which can Inspire and  Lead to a Renaissance of the True Indian Culture .
The Bleak Socio-political Environment, as it exists today however , need  Not  make us Unduly Despondent . India has the Traditional  Gift of Producing Great Souls / Leaders  in the Darkest Hour . With Deep Seated Faith , I have to confess that when the HOUR STRIKES  , the Situation will CHANGE  like  Volcanic Action and the appropriate Leadership will be found on the Horizon to get us out of the present  QUAGMIRE . Hopefully , by then we will also see surfacing of the Collective Wisdom / Experience  of the Elders duly  integrated with  the  Energy of the Youth .
AS WE LIVE IN THE  UNCERTAIN  AND YET VERY   INTERESTING TIMES TODAY , THE DESIRED CHANGES ARE  SEEMINGLY  IN THE PIPE LINE TO BE SEEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE   AHEAD . WHILE WE   WAIT IN HOPE FOR THE GREAT  FUTURE TO ARRIVE SOON BUT WITHOUT ANY FORTHRIGHT CONSIDERATION / ACTION , IT MAY BE DELAYED BEYOND REDEMPTION ! Therefore , it is time for the real India to stand up and it is time that the Ex servicemen stood up as a collective  force to demand the Electoral  Reforms without any partisanship for or against any POLITICAL  PARTY . 
Thankyou very much . Kind Regards.
R.Adm (retd.) H.C.Malhotra
Sector 15-A , Noida
Mb; 9953525252

 
 
 
 

 




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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: Need for Electoral Reforms -- Fundamental Deficiency

Echoing to Dr Arun's line , will the electronic Voting machine be possible to reduce the booth and muscles capturing? Do theese EVMs self or auto function under the soloar energy where no central grid system is linked or heavy load shedding like in rural parts of the country? If solar is used then it can be used in Nepal's upcoming election too .
L B


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Rai,

I have not gone into detail of your ideas but on the surface this sounds very interesting. Would you 
please let me know how the proposed electoral system can be applicable in the coming general election?

Dr. Kumar Arun


Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 00:18:50 +0530
From: bkraikac@gmail.com
To: hc_malhotra1@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: Need for Electoral Reforms -- Fundamental Deficiency

Dear friends,

I am attaching a research document on the subject, how to select the best public supported candidate in election process. There are various ways to do it. One of them is Approval Voting System. Time has come that we introduce a new thinking on how to select a representative out of many candidates. In a democracy people must be given sovereign and wider powers to select a candidates. The current process is introduced by British rulers whose motto was to divide and rule. Currently a candidate manages to get himself elected by dividing opposition votes and feeding to his own vote-bank. People have to understand this problem. The answer could be a Run off Election between two best voted candidates, and whoever secures more than half (50%) votes is winner. But here we have to bear the cost of two times election process, it is a drawback for our country.

I will talk about one time election process and people to select the best of the candidates. Here we allow voter (people) to vote for multiple candidates to as many as he or she likes (No limitation of single voting). Every candidate so voted gets one vote each. In this way the whole constituency rates good candidates from the list of all the contestants in the election. The candidate who gets maximum votes (majority public support) wins the election, as he or she is the best rated or selected candidate out of all. It is so simple and without the fear of vote divisions among multiple candidates. In this election process, the only hardship will be for election commission to count more number of votes.

This will have multiple benefits. Divisive campaigning will become a thing of past as a candidate will have to work for entire section of society rather than his vote bank. Secondly if people see more options to choose from and meaningful electoral process, they will turnout in large numbers to vote. It will strengthen the democracy and also unite the population.

The other suggestions as right to reject, right to recall, control of muscle power and state funding of election are also very important suggestions and must be adopted in our framework. after all, all the money spent in election, white or black, it is public money. So why not state funding of election.

BRIJESH KUMAR RAI
Nerul NaviMumbai


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM, harish malhotra <hc_malhotra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Friends ,
 
 You may already be aware about  the recent  initiative undertaken by   Mrs. Kiran Majumdar Shaw CMD of Biocon Industry  , Mr T V Mohandas Pai ( ex Infosys and now the Chairman Manipal Global Education )  and a few others   to sponsor through the Bangalore Political Action Committee ( B.PAC) , a few young  , honest and dynamic professionals as  candidates for the Karnataka State  Elections  on 5th. May . Out of 14 candidates  sponsored  5  attained the desired success at the polls and got elected and 3 made tremendous impact and got the taste of it  , which will undoubtedly ,open up further options in the oncomming Elections due  in other States and later for the Lok Sabha as well .
 I also have the  pleasure in sharing a self explanatory  document describing the need for Electoral Reforms , which to our mind , are the Fundamental Reforms . We will have to mobilise the YOUTH  ENERGY  to demand this , without which , it will NOT happen and we will remain where  we are today or become even worse .

 
The attachment is a self explanatory  document written by Mr P P Rao , Eminent  Senior Advocate Supreme Court and one of the REVERED  EXPERTS  on  the Constitution Law . This document  is well  worth reading and sharing with your friends / associates , the  family and also  the GROUPS OF  YOUTH , wherever you may  access  them in your circle , so as to Enlighten and Awaken  them  for  their Honest Focus on what our specific Hopes and  Demands should be about the "  FUNDAMENTAL   REFORMS " in our NATIONAL AND THEIR  OWN  PUBLIC  INTEREST  . I wish the present  Activists and the Speakers  comming regularly  on the Prime Time  Television Programs  every day , instead of just  Preaching / Denigrading the Political Leaders and / or the  Parties  and highlighting ONLY the  prevailing  problems without proposing any  Viable and / or Available  Solutions / Options   , should concentrate more  to Educate and Energise  the Youth about the Various  Issues of Priority  Concern such as  the  Uninspiring , Untrustworthy and Self-Seeking   Political Leadership , Divisive Politics , Incapacity of Governance which is NEITHER being able to Formulate Policies  NOR  is  it being able to  Handle the Huge , Costly and  Ineffective   Administrative  Machinery  in  it's Delivery of Services to the Public , thereby , Remaining  Unable  to Fulfill it's Responsibilities to Serve Our National Security and Public  Interests .
 . In order to Inclusively  Develop Economically , India needs  Mental Resources , Material resources and the WILL  to Progress. While we  have the First Two , but NOT  the Third in Reality  . We have the Wish to Progress ;  but we have yet to Develop the WILL at the Helm of Leadership  to progress  through  Determined Actions .However , there seems to be some Glimpse of  Evolutionary  Stocktaking , currently  going on  amongst  the pubic , which will hopefully  lead us to the desired  CHANGE in ATTITUDES .  To note , a Bad Government is the Inevitable Consequence of an Indifferent  Electorate and  it's Vague Level of  Awareness .
It is also  a Vicious Circle wherein , the Men / Women of Talent and Integrity will NOT Enter Public Life because of the Existing  Filth and the Stench; and yet Public Life cannot be Cleansed unless Men and Women of Talent and Integrity enter it and Assume their Social  Responibilities .
Nevertheless , I have great hopes in our Young Men and Women of Talent once they are Awakened to Combine their Energies  . The National Conscience will  Continuously  be Aroused till it  Reaches  such a Degree that it will Cease to Tolerate any further   Falsehood and Dishonesty in Public Life . Standards of Ethics and Decency in Public Life are less Easy to Enforce by Law than by Public Opinion . What our country today badly needs , and sadly lacks, is not  Political  Leadership but  Moral  Leadership, which can Inspire and  Lead to a Renaissance of the True Indian Culture .
The Bleak Socio-political Environment, as it exists today however , need  Not  make us Unduly Despondent . India has the Traditional  Gift of Producing Great Souls / Leaders  in the Darkest Hour . With Deep Seated Faith , I have to confess that when the HOUR STRIKES  , the Situation will CHANGE  like  Volcanic Action and the appropriate Leadership will be found on the Horizon to get us out of the present  QUAGMIRE . Hopefully , by then we will also see surfacing of the Collective Wisdom / Experience  of the Elders duly  integrated with  the  Energy of the Youth .
AS WE LIVE IN THE  UNCERTAIN  AND YET VERY   INTERESTING TIMES TODAY , THE DESIRED CHANGES ARE  SEEMINGLY  IN THE PIPE LINE TO BE SEEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE   AHEAD . WHILE WE   WAIT IN HOPE FOR THE GREAT  FUTURE TO ARRIVE SOON BUT WITHOUT ANY FORTHRIGHT CONSIDERATION / ACTION , IT MAY BE DELAYED BEYOND REDEMPTION ! Therefore , it is time for the real India to stand up and it is time that the Ex servicemen stood up as a collective  force to demand the Electoral  Reforms without any partisanship for or against any POLITICAL  PARTY . 
Thankyou very much . Kind Regards.
R.Adm (retd.) H.C.Malhotra
Sector 15-A , Noida
Mb; 9953525252

 
 
 
 

 




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Re: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values

To my simple mind, legalizing a certain percentage of what we call Corruption should be legalized. This should be based on the amount of Tax being paid by that individual/ Company. If found that that limit is exceeded then heavy penalty needs to be levied. The culture of bribery comes in religion as well. We promise to God, whoever He may be Krishna, Christ, Mohammad, etc. that if my dire need (whatever relevant that need be) is met I would donate a golden chain, I would feed a 1000 hungry people, I would do penance and so on.
On the basis of  the above, if its already a part of our everyday life then lets accept this fact. Its not that only India and Eastern countries are corrupt. It does exist in the so called developed world as well. Only the quantum and spread is comparatively minimal, because of fear of law.
Jai Ho !
Joy. 
 


From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values

The point I raised is not based on religion or cast.I am concerned with the air flowing against the BHARTIYA culture.i am not against women lib.AS A HUMAN BEING BOTH MEN & WOMEN have equal rights.RIGHT TO LIVE WITH DIGNITY IS A CONSTITUITIONAL RIGHT.
I am aware that Gay Marriages are gaining ground.As per one report 58%people in U.S.support same sex marriage.On the Commonwealth Day The Queen Elizabeth is 
supposed to sign support for gay rights.
My aim was to discuss & have views of the learned readers about the call being given to legalize betting in I P L .How far it will be right in INDIA ?
D.C.Verma



On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Shri Verma and Kumar Arun. I think you both need to wake up. Values and traditions change over time. The traditional subservient bhartiya nari has changed. And it is about time. Women in India have been considered either pativratas or prostitutes or loose women. There was no other classification. So kindly try and accept that women have the same rights and desires as men. As far as same sex marriages or gay rights are concerned, people are naturally inclined that way. What if you were born like that? I am not born like that but I can understand that if anyone has a different sexual orientation then that is certainly not a crime. As far as the Islamicisation of the country is concerned, let me tell you that all of us are citizens with the same rights including propogation of religion. I have commanded muslim troops and they are as loyal and brave as any other soldier. The army has produced several muslim generals (I know some and they are good friends), besides thousands are serving soldiers and have won the highest awards in war including Kargil. If the muslim population is increasing, so what? At least they are not killing their unborn daughters. Neither are Christians. Which brings me back to the initial point. Try and value women and their rights. The old Bharat was not a sexually repressed society. And you know what is happening in Delhi and elsewhere. Please wake up to the new reality. Pavan Nair
On 1 Jun 2013 10:19, "Kumar Arun" <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Verma,

Your words appear as if you are waking up from sound sleep after some years. I for one am very glad
that you did wake up. There are millions who are still doing things in sleep mode, so welcome!

There was a country called Bharat aka Hindustan which became Islamic Bharat first and then turned 
into British India. Our so called patriots & leaders have turned India into a country like France where 
muslims first begged to enter and now they are demanding French to leave. Hindus have never learnt 
from the history and probably will have to leave Bharat like French and other Europeans. 

Best wishes,

Kumar A


Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:22:21 +0530
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Dear All Readers,
India has always been for high moral values.Alas the same is going down.Earlier ...

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Re: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values

Thank you sir. I appreciate your response. A democracy must provide rights to all citizens irrrespective of caste, class or religion. Unfortunately that does not happen in our country. But I do see hope in a movement like ours. A diverse group of people can make a difference even if we are on the right or left side of the political spectrum. Pavan Nair

On 1 Jun 2013 21:33, "Sureshan" <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:

  Well said pavan.we are failing to recognise human liberty and freedom.which never surrenderd while creating any form of government.the creation of govt is to protect it.if freedom liberty is not hurting others why should it be prevented.more children particular class is objectionable when others burdened in view of social security.so social security is the problem not the right to produce children






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Re: [IAC#RG] Himanshu begins fast unto death at Jantar Mantar from today

Killing people on duty is no answer to the injustice mete out to the tribal. Why cant they demand through the democratic process i.e elections..People like Himanshu Kumar can guide them to to do it without iolence otherwis people out of Naxal areas will always say that vilence must be met with more violence. Though it is is not on. 


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आदिवासियों के संसाधनों पर पैसे वाली कंपनियों के कब्जा कर लेने और आदिवासियों को उनके अपने ही घर से भगा देने का मुद्दा इस देश के लिये कोई बड़ी समस्या नहीं बन पा रहा है 

यह बात सच है कि हम तभी चेतते हैं जब समाज में किसी मुद्दे पर कहीं हिंसा होती है . विनोबा का भूदान आन्दोलन भी भूमि को लेकर फैले हुए अन्याय और उससे उत्पन्न होने वाली हिंसा में से ही  निकला था .

अभी आदिवासी इलाकों में अमीर कंपनियों के लोभ के लिये करोड़ों आदिवासियों के जीवन , आजीविका और सम्मान पर हमला जारी है , 

भारत को एक राष्ट्र के रूप में सोचना पड़ेगा कि यह देश अपने मूल निवासियों के साथ क्या सुलूक करेगा ?

क्या हम आदिवासियों की ज़मीनों पर पुलिस की बंदूकों के दम पर कब्ज़ा जायज़ मानते हैं ? क्या हम मानते हैं कि आदिवासियों की बस्तियों में आग लगा कर उन्हें उनके गाँव से भगा कर उनकी ज़मीनों पर कब्ज़ा करने के बाद हम इस देश में शांति ला सकते हैं ?

एक बार हमें अगर अपने ही देशवासियों के साथ अन्याय करने की आदत पड़ गई तो क्या यह आदत हमें किस किस के साथ अन्याय करने का नहीं खोल देगी ?

आज हम आदिवासी पर हमला करेंगे ,फिर हम दलितों को मारेंगे, फिर हम गाँव वालों को मारेंगे . और एक दिन हम चारों तरफ से दुश्मनों से अपने ही बनाये गये दुश्मनों से घिर जायेंगे . 

इसलिये आज ही हमें आदिवासियों के साथ हमारे सुलूक की समीक्षा करनी चाहिये .

मेरी विनम्र कोशिश है कि इसी मौके को हम आदिवासियों के साथ इस देश को कैसा सुलूक करना चाहिये इस मुद्दे पर सोचने के रूप में सदुपयोग करें .

इस मुद्दे पर आत्म चिंतन करने के लिये मैं एक जून से जंतर मंतर पर एक उपवास शुरू करने का प्रस्ताव करता हूं

इस दौरान सामान मन के साथी अपने अपने क्षेत्र में इस विषय में कार्यक्रम और चर्चा करेगे तो हम देश भर में न्याय के पक्ष में और अन्याय के विपक्ष में एक माहौल तैयार कर पायेंगे .

आपके सुझाव का स्वागत है .


हिमांशु कुमार 




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Re: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values

The point I raised is not based on religion or cast.I am concerned with the air flowing against the BHARTIYA culture.i am not against women lib.AS A HUMAN BEING BOTH MEN & WOMEN have equal rights.RIGHT TO LIVE WITH DIGNITY IS A CONSTITUITIONAL RIGHT.
I am aware that Gay Marriages are gaining ground.As per one report 58%people in U.S.support same sex marriage.On the Commonwealth Day The Queen Elizabeth is 
supposed to sign support for gay rights.
My aim was to discuss & have views of the learned readers about the call being given to legalize betting in I P L .How far it will be right in INDIA ?
D.C.Verma



On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shri Verma and Kumar Arun. I think you both need to wake up. Values and traditions change over time. The traditional subservient bhartiya nari has changed. And it is about time. Women in India have been considered either pativratas or prostitutes or loose women. There was no other classification. So kindly try and accept that women have the same rights and desires as men. As far as same sex marriages or gay rights are concerned, people are naturally inclined that way. What if you were born like that? I am not born like that but I can understand that if anyone has a different sexual orientation then that is certainly not a crime. As far as the Islamicisation of the country is concerned, let me tell you that all of us are citizens with the same rights including propogation of religion. I have commanded muslim troops and they are as loyal and brave as any other soldier. The army has produced several muslim generals (I know some and they are good friends), besides thousands are serving soldiers and have won the highest awards in war including Kargil. If the muslim population is increasing, so what? At least they are not killing their unborn daughters. Neither are Christians. Which brings me back to the initial point. Try and value women and their rights. The old Bharat was not a sexually repressed society. And you know what is happening in Delhi and elsewhere. Please wake up to the new reality. Pavan Nair

On 1 Jun 2013 10:19, "Kumar Arun" <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Verma,

Your words appear as if you are waking up from sound sleep after some years. I for one am very glad
that you did wake up. There are millions who are still doing things in sleep mode, so welcome!

There was a country called Bharat aka Hindustan which became Islamic Bharat first and then turned 
into British India. Our so called patriots & leaders have turned India into a country like France where 
muslims first begged to enter and now they are demanding French to leave. Hindus have never learnt 
from the history and probably will have to leave Bharat like French and other Europeans. 

Best wishes,

Kumar A


Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:22:21 +0530
From: dcverma06@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values



Dear All Readers,
India has always been for high moral values.Alas the same is going down.Earlier ...


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Re: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values

Just rightly put pavanji.
Instead of harping on age old ideas,infact even our Indian old ideas like yoga etc are gaining ground.
So let's mk India best of all worlds.

On Jun 1, 2013 3:44 PM, "pavan nair" <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shri Verma and Kumar Arun. I think you both need to wake up. Values and traditions change over time. The traditional subservient bhartiya nari has changed. And it is about time. Women in India have been considered either pativratas or prostitutes or loose women. There was no other classification. So kindly try and accept that women have the same rights and desires as men. As far as same sex marriages or gay rights are concerned, people are naturally inclined that way. What if you were born like that? I am not born like that but I can understand that if anyone has a different sexual orientation then that is certainly not a crime. As far as the Islamicisation of the country is concerned, let me tell you that all of us are citizens with the same rights including propogation of religion. I have commanded muslim troops and they are as loyal and brave as any other soldier. The army has produced several muslim generals (I know some and they are good friends), besides thousands are serving soldiers and have won the highest awards in war including Kargil. If the muslim population is increasing, so what? At least they are not killing their unborn daughters. Neither are Christians. Which brings me back to the initial point. Try and value women and their rights. The old Bharat was not a sexually repressed society. And you know what is happening in Delhi and elsewhere. Please wake up to the new reality. Pavan Nair

On 1 Jun 2013 10:19, "Kumar Arun" <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Verma,

Your words appear as if you are waking up from sound sleep after some years. I for one am very glad
that you did wake up. There are millions who are still doing things in sleep mode, so welcome!

There was a country called Bharat aka Hindustan which became Islamic Bharat first and then turned 
into British India. Our so called patriots & leaders have turned India into a country like France where 
muslims first begged to enter and now they are demanding French to leave. Hindus have never learnt 
from the history and probably will have to leave Bharat like French and other Europeans. 

Best wishes,

Kumar A


Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:22:21 +0530
From: dcverma06@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Legalise Corruption /Moral Values



Dear All Readers,
India has always been for high moral values.Alas the same is going down.Earlier ...

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Re: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY

The complete story can be looked up here:
<http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne021010Chief_Injustices.asp>.

Sukla

On 31/05/2013, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MORE ON TAINTED JUDICIARY
> Truth, in India, has only
> recently become defence. But if the court pursues these courageous
> affidavits
> and tasks the Bhushans to prove their allegations with evidence, it could
> become a unique moment in history. Retired justice VR Krishna Iyer has
> already said this is a historic opportunity for public cleansing. The first
> step is to share information in public interest. Here, therefore, are
> edited
> excerpts from Prashant Bhushan's affidavit.
>
> RANGANATH
> MISHRA
>
> 25.09.1990
> - 24.11.1991
>
> CHIEF JUSTICE Ranganath
> Mishra as a judge of the Supreme Court presided over a Commission of
> Inquiry
> on the genocide of Sikhs in 1984. He conducted the inquiry proceedings in a
> highly biased manner and went on to give a clean chit to the Congress
> party,
> despite there being considerable evidence implicating senior leaders of the
> party.
>
> After conducting inquiries into the 1984 riots, he became a Congress Rajya
> Sabha MP
> The evidence
> against the Congress leaders and party has come out in subsequent official
> inquiry reports as well as in the subsequent CBI investigations.
>
> He went on, after
> his retirement, to agree to become a Rajya Sabha MP of the Congress. Such
> actions, to my mind, clearly smack of corruption. Corruption, as I have
> mentioned earlier, is not used in a narrow sense of taking bribe alone, but
> in
> a wider sense of being morally culpable or blameworthy. Rewarded with post
> retirement Commission for many years
>
> KN
> SINGH
>
> 25.11.1991
> - 12.12.1991
>
> CHIEF JUSTICE KNSingh
> who followed Justice Rangnath Mishra, passed a series of unusually
> benevolent orders in favour of Jain Exports and its sister concern Jain
> Shudh
> Vanaspati. Several of these were passed during
> his 18-day tenure as Chief Justice, and many of these cases were
> ordered to be listed before him by oral mentioning.
>
> This became such a
> talked about scandal in the corridors of the Court that eventually in a
> hearing
> on 9 December 1991, the counsel for the Union of India was forced to object
> to the manner in which the cases came to be listed before Justice KN
> Singh's
> bench. He was forced to give a laboured explanation about how and why he
> ordered the matter to be listed before him when it was before another
> bench.
>
> All these judgments
> came to be reviewed and reversed later by a series of subsequent benches,in
> some of which, the review petitions were heard in open court, in a
> departure
> from the normal procedure.
>
> Passed a series of orders in favour of Jain Shudh Vanaspati. These were
> later set aside
> On 1 April 1991 and
> 9 September 1991, Justice KN Singh allowed two Civil Appeals of Jain
> Exports
> regarding the import of caustic soda and reduced the import duty payable by
> the
> company from 92 percent to 10 percent. Both these orders were subsequently
> reviewed and set aside.
>
>
> On 28 November
> 1991, (during his 18 day tenure as CJI) Justice Singh dismissed the appeal
> of
> Union of India against Jain Shudh Vanaspati in a case involving the import
> of
> edible oil in stainless steel containers (the import of which was banned),
> which were fraudulently painted over to disguise them as mild steel
> containers.This order was reviewed and set aside on 16 July 1993 by
> a bench of Justice JS Verma and PB Sawant.
>
> All these orders of
> Justice KN Singh in the Jain Exports and Jain Shudh Vanaspati cases were
> widely
> understood and regarded as having been passed for corrupt considerations.
> They
> became a much talked about scandal in the Court, even while he was Chief
> Justice.
>
> AM
> AHMADI
>
> 25.10.1994
> - 24.03.1997
>
> CHIEF JUSTICE AM
> Ahmadi, who succeeded Justice Venkatachalaiah (who was widely respected and
> regarded as a judge of great integrity), went
> on to quash the charge of culpable homicide in the criminal case arising out
> of
> the Bhopal Gas
> leak. Seven benches were changed during the hearing of this case, the only
> common judge in all these benches was Justice Ahmadi who was Chief Justice
> and
> constituting the benches.
>
> This judgment of
> quashing the charge of culpable homicide before the trial not only delayed
> the
> trial but led to such miscarriage of justice, that the Supreme Court has
> thought it fit to issue notice on a curative petition filed by the CBI even
> 14
> years after that judgment.
>
> Justice Ahmadi then
> went on to deal with and pass several orders in the Union Carbide case
> involving the setting up of a hospital from the sale proceeds of Union
> Carbide
> India Limited's shares held by Union Carbide Corporation, USA.
>
> In fact, he passed
> the orders releasing the amount of Rs. 187 crore for the construction of
> the
> hospital from the attached funds of Union Carbide. Quite remarkably, after
> having dealt with these cases of Union Carbide, Justice Ahmadi (soon after
> his
> retirement) went on to become the lifetime Chairman of the same hospital
> trust
> whose case he had extensively dealt with as Chief Justice. and reportedly
> used the Hospital facilities for the elite and not Gas affected.
>
>
> A Supreme Court
> bench headed by Justice Kuldip Singh had, on 10 May 1996, passed an order
> staying all construction within 5 km of Badkal and Surajkund lakes in
> Faridabad for
> environmental reasons. This order prevented any construction in plots in a
> development called Kant Enclave, which is adjoining Surajkund lake and on
> land
> which had been notified as Forest Land under S4 of the
> Punjab Land Preservation Act.
>
> Being forest land,
> no construction was permissible on this land without the prior permission
> of
> the Union Ministry of Environment and Forests, and also without the
> permission
> of the Supreme Court by virtue of the orders of the Court in the Godavarman
> case.
>
> Despite
> this, however, Justice Ahmadi, who was as this time the Chief Justice of
> the
> Court, went on to purchase plots in this development around this time and
> also
> went on thereafter to construct one of the first houses on this (a palatial
> house where he has lived since his retirement) in violation of the orders
> of
> the Court and the Forest Conservation Act.
>
> He bought land, built a house in Kant Enclave in Surajkund. The court had
> ruled it illegal
> Soon after the
> original order of Justice Kuldip Singh, Justice Ahmadi as Chief Justice set
> about reconstituting these benches and urgently listing review petitions
> filed
> by Kant Enclave and others against these orders, where these orders came to
> be
> successively modified.
>
>
> The order
> prohibiting construction within 5 km of the lakes was modified to 1 km by
> the
> order dated 11 October 1996. This order was further modified in the review
> petitions filed by Kant Enclave and others by order dated 17 March 1997, to
> obviate
> the need to no-objection certificates from the Pollution Control Boards for
> construction. This was further modified by even allowing construction even
> within 1 km of Surajkund lake by an order dated 13 April 1998 by a bench
> headed
> by the then Chief Justice MM Punchhi.
>
> The
> fact that the construction of Justice Ahmadi's house in Kant Enclave is
> completely illegal and in violation of the Supreme Court's judgments, as
> well
> as the Forest Conservation Act, has now been emphatically stated by the
> Supreme
> Court itself in its order dated 14 May 2008 on the clarification application
> on
> behalf of Kant Enclave.
>
> The Centrally
> Empowered Committee of the Court has found the violations of those who
> constructed their houses in Kant Enclave so egregious, that they have
> recommended the demolition of these constructions which includes that of
> Justice Ahmadi in their report dated 13 January 2009.I
> regard Justice Ahmadi's actions in all this as morally culpable and indeed
> corrupt. They had become a much talked about scandal in the corridors of
> the
> court as well as among judges at that time.
>
> MM
> PUNCHHI
>
> 18.01.1998
> - 09.10.1998
>
> JUSTICE PUNCHHIhad a
> short tenure of 10 months. He succeeded Justice Verma, who is widely
> regarded as one of the finest and most upright Chief Justices of the
> Supreme
> Court. The Committee on Judicial Accountability had prepared an
> impeachment motion against Justice Punchhi, which had been signed by more
> than
> 25 members of the Rajya Sabha, but did not get the requisite number of
> signatures since he went on to become Chief Justice of India. The six
> extremely serious charges in the impeachment
> motion are detailed below:
>
> 1. As a Judge of
> the Supreme Court, while deciding an appeal of Shri KN Tapuria against a
> judgment of the Bombay High Court, dated 10.12.93 by which he was sentenced
> to
> two years rigorous imprisonment, Justice Punchhi allowed the Appeal and
> acquitted Shri Tapuria on the basis of a purported compromise entered into
> between Shri Tapuria and the alleged representative of M/s Turner Morrison
> & Co, and thereby remitted his prison sentence. This was done despite
> the fact that the offence of criminal breach of trust for which Shri
> Tapuria
> had been convicted cannot be compounded in law and thus could not have been
> allowed to be compromised by the complainant. The order passed by Justice
> Punchhi was on extraneous considerations.
>
> 2. As a Judge of
> the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Justice Punchhi heard and dismissed a Writ
> Petition of the Vice Chancellor of the Rohtak University, Dr Ram Gopal,
> containing serious allegations of malafides against the then Chief Minister
> of
> Haryana Bhajan Lal. That while he decided
> this case dismissing allegations against Bhajan Lal, two of his unmarried
> daughters residing with him, Madhu and Priya, applied for and got allotment
> of
> two valuable house plots in Gurgaon from the discretionary quota of the
> Chief
> Minister. The plots were allotted on 1.5.86, the same day
> Justice Punchhi dismissed Ram Gopal's Writ Petition against Bhajan Lal. The
> judgment of Justice Punchhi dismissing the Writ Petition was obviously given
> on
> extraneous considerations.
>
> 3. As Inspecting
> Judge of the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Justice Punchhi made an adverse
> inspection report questioning his integrity, against KS Bhullar,
> Sub-Judge-cum-
> Judicial Magistrate of Punjab, for the reason that Bhullar had refused to
> decide a case before him involving Justice Punchhi's co-brother in his
> favour.
>
> 4. As a Judge of
> the Supreme Court, Justice Punchhi attempted to hear and decide a case
> involving the validity of section 8 (a) of the Capital of Punjab
> (Development and Regulation) Act, 1952 though he was personally interested
> in
> the outcome of the case.
>
> He decided on a case about a law when he was personally interested in the
> outcome
> 5. That Justice
> Punchhi attempted to browbeat officials of the Registry of the Punjab &
> Haryana High Court when they came to take inventory of items of furniture
> at
> the residence of the then Chief Justice of the Punjab & Haryana High Court,
> Justice V Ramaswami. He ordered them to mention in the inventory report
> that
> all the items had been found in order even when these had not been verified
> and
> this was not true.Thereafter, when this matter became
> subject of the impeachment proceedings and was put in issue in Writ
> Petitions
> filed in the Supreme Court, Justice Punchhi attempted to hear and decide
> that
> case, though in view of his role in the matter, he was clearly disentitled
> from
> doing so.
>
> 6. That as Judge of
> the Supreme Court, Justice Punchhi, kept pending with him a matrimonial
> proceeding involving one Ashok and Rupa Hurra from Gujarat,
> even after it had become infructuous. The matter was kept pending in order
> that
> a fresh petition to be filed by the husband also come before him. These
> proceedings were finally decided by him for extraneous considerations in a
> manner which was contrary to law.
>
> AS
> ANAND
>
> 10.10.1998
> - 01.11.2001
>
> JUSTICE ANAND,who
> succeeded Justice Punchhi, too enjoyed a very controversial tenure as Chief
> Justice of India. During his tenure, evidence of several acts of very
> serious misconduct came to light and came to the possession of the Committee
> on
> Judicial Accountability. As a result of this, an
> impeachment motion was also prepared by the Committee on Judicial
> Accountability against Justice Anand, which contained four serious charges
> which are detailed below:
>
> 1. That AS Anand,
> when he was the Chief Justice of the High Court at J&K, heard and passed
> favourable interim orders in the case of one Krishan Kumar Amla, soon after
> he had accepted gratification from Amla in the form of a 2 Kanal plot of
> land
> at Ganderbal, Srinagar. That Anand accepted this gratification from Amla
> even though he had been as a judge hearing and dealing with the cases of
> the
> companies owned by Krishan Amla and his father Tirath Ram Amla. These acts
> constitute gross misconduct and misbehaviour on the part of a Judge.
>
> 2. That AS Anand
> abused his office and influence as a judge and Chief Justice of the J&K
> High Court to hold on to the ownership of agricultural land which should
> have
> been vested in the government under the J&K Agrarian Reforms Act of 1976.
>
> He passed an order favouring a person from whom he had received a plot of
> land
> 3. That AS Anand
> while he was a judge of the Supreme Court abetted his wife and mother-in-law
> in
> filing a suit based on false averments in a civil court in Madhya Pradesh.
> During the proceedings before the civil court, he abused his influence and
> authority to get the revenue authorities to suppress from the trial court
> the
> record of the proceedings before the revenue court. That he subsequently
> used
> his influence to get the State Government of MP to withdraw the Special
> Leave
> Petition filed by the State against his wife.
>
> 4. That Anand
> abused his office and influence as Chief Justice of the J&K High Court to
> get from the government of J&K a 2-kanal plot of land at Gandhinagar in
> Jammu for a price which
> was a small fraction of the market price. That in
> doing so, he gave a false and misleading affidavit that he owned no land or
> immovable property in Jammu.
>
> Despite the fact
> that there was documentary evidence of serious charges of corruption
> against
> Justice Anand it was not possible to get the impeachment motion signed by
> the
> requisite number of MPs against a sitting Chief Justice of the Supreme
> Court.MPs are
> very reluctant to sign an impeachment motion against a sitting judge of the
> Supreme Court or a sitting Chief Justice of a High Court, even if one has
> documentary evidence of serious charges of misconduct against the judge
> concerned. This is because of a fear of judicial backlash against the MP or
> his political party, most of whom have cases pending in the courts.
> YK
> SABHARWAL
>
> O1.11.2005
> - 14.01.2007
>
> ON 3 AUGUST2007, the
> Campaign for Judicial Accountability had issued a press release detailing
> several serious charges against Chief Justice YK Sabharwal. The most serious
> among these charges was that he passed a series of orders
> for sealing commercial properties in Delhi,
> operating in residential areas.
>
> The immediate
> consequence of his orders was to force shops and offices to shift to
> shopping
> malls and commercial complexes being constructed by builders and
> developers,
> which resulted in increasing their prices enormously almost overnight. At
> precisely the time when Justice Sabharwal passed these
> orders of sealing, his sons entered into partnerships with some of the
> largest
> shopping mall and commercial complex developers and thus made huge profits.
> Moreover, the registered offices of his sons' companies were at the
> official
> residence of Justice Sabharwal at this time.
>
> While he heard the Amar Singh tapes case, his sons got land allotments in
> Noida
> Apart from this,
> his sons were allotted huge commercial plots by the Mulayam Singh government
> of
> Uttar Pradesh in Noida at highly concessional rates, at a time when Justice
> Sabharwal was dealing with the case of Amar Singh's tapes, the publication
> of
> which he had stayed.
>
>
> As a result of
> these transactions, the sons of Justice Sabharwal, who till he started
> dealing
> with the sealing case, were small traders having a turnover of less than Rs.
> 2
> crore went on to purchase a property of Rs. 15.43 crore in Maharani Bagh in
> March 2007 and more recently a property at 7 Sikandra Road for Rs. 122
> crore
> (in partnership with their builder friends) in April 2010.
>
> The property at Sikandra Road was
> purchased by Justice Sabharwal's sons for Rs.122 crore with the help of a
> number of unconscionable judicial orders of single judges of the Delhi High
> Court, at a time when the property was worth well over Rs.150 crore.
>
> Despite complaints
> to the CBI and the CVC, however, no FIR appears to have been registered nor
> any
> investigation done by the CBI.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY
>
> Not only that, but here is a partial bag of tricks played by "judges" that I
> have encountered:
> 1. I filed an execution application together with application for president
> to recuse in view of his extra-ordinary bias and judicial cheating. The
> Registrar gave a date, but the "judge" did not hear the matter. I met him in
> his chambers as to why the matter was not called. He said that it is not the
> registrar who gives the date, but he. If I wanted my matter to be heard, I
> should withdraw my application for his recusal!
> 2. They will completely ignore all the law points, evidence, as well as
> precedents from SC/HC. In other words, they will pronounce their own version
> of law! This is contra s 141/144 of the constitution.
> 3. They will turn and twist facts, evidence and circumstances to suit their
> own version of the law.
> 4. They will introduce issues that neither you nor the OP argued.
> 5. They will totally ignore the prayers, and introduce their own "reliefs",
> which naturally will be as per their own corrupt purposes rather than as per
> law of the land.
> 6. Etc.
> Regards,
> Vijay Kapoor
>
> --- On Fri, 5/31/13, Naveen Johri <naveenjohri@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Naveen Johri <naveenjohri@gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY
>>To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 3:51 AM
>>
>>
>>Dear sirs
>>Exactly the same thing happened with me three years back at Allahabad high
>> court
>>In open court the high court judge dismissed the petition as the
>> petitioner failed to deposit the amount decreed by lower court after many
>> defaults thereby quashingthe petition.
>>Few days later when the order came it was another date.
>>Nothing much could be done ..my advocate advised to accept the fate
>> meekly..
>>One can't tape the proceedings in the court
>>NK Johri
>>
>>from my Android phone
>>On May 31, 2013 3:21 PM, "SURESHAN P" <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Dear Pankaj , this kind of stories are enormous in our country , a
>>>person who knows little bit about the courts and judges of this
>>>country believes that judiciary are as corrupt as any other agency .
>>>only people who never had an occasion to experience the working of the
>>>courts only put their faith upon judiciary. Our gods are richest
>>>because of our system , In this country people believes that every
>>>thing happens because of of destiny. astrologer and God's men's
>>>happy lots in the system. All is Ram Barosa. In other developed
>>>countries they have a better system and thus no body cares about GOD.
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>On 5/31/13, Pankaj Rai <raipankaj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I have personal experience of two judges of High Court of Karnataka
>>>> pronouncing an order in the open court and then going back on their
>>>> word.
>>>> Legally I have challenged that and also filed an administrative about
>>>> the
>>>> misconduct of the two judges.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pankaj
>>>>
>>>> Maj Pankaj Rai (Retd),
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>>>> Cc: prakash risbud <risbud_p@yahoo.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013 11:32 AM
>>>> Subject: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no transparency in our total governing system . They have all
>>>> the
>>>> powers but no responsibility and accountability.Every one in the rung
>>>> particularly the politicians , bureaucracy and judiciary have been
>>>> taking
>>>> the maximum advantage.They ensured safeguards at every step so as no to
>>>> be
>>>> punished for their misdeeds.
>>>> Recently one IAS officer of Karnataka was tried and punished by Lokpal
>>>> Court for wrongfully distribution of land to his favorites . When he
>>>> appealed against the punishment , the Karnataka High Court dismissed
>>>> the
>>>> case saying that Government permission was not taken before trying this
>>>> IAS
>>>> officer.This is how they find the loopholes in the laws but never go
>>>> into
>>>> the gravity of the crime.
>>>> How long this will continue? Thus the first step needed is to rejuvenate
>>>> the
>>>> judiciary .
>>>>
>>>> brig J S Ahuja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>>> <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Revert the same to Appellate of that organization with copy of refused
>>>>> "postal letter", with letter for such incident. If no response forward
>>>>> the
>>>>> same to CIC, with all copies of communications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hemant K
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:54 PM, prakash risbud <risbud_p@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Can anyone tell me if RTI letter is refused and sent back as
>>>>> refused
>>>>> what is the further process.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> prakash
>>>>> From: v.v. mishra <vmishra70@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY
>>>>> send more details.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adv V Mishra
>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Vijay Kapoor
>>>>> <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience with judges discloses that many, if not most, are
>>>>> corrupt.
>>>>> They are typically beholden to the rich and powerful, thereby
>>>>> disclosing a
>>>>> feeble mind. The country is in urgent need for complete overhaul of
>>>>> the
>>>>> judiciary .... recruitment, training, monitoring & evaluation, and
>>>>> weeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vijay Kapoor
>>>>> --- On Tue, 5/28/13, Jasvir Singh <jasvir70@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jasvir Singh <jasvir70@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] TAINTED CHARACTERS IN INDIAN JUDICIARY
>>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 2:59 AM
>>>>> Dear Maniramji, you have raised a very pertinent issue. The appointment
>>>>> to
>>>>> the chairs of the CBI is also highly questionable, so very
>>>>> comprehensive
>>>>> and wide ranging reforms shall be required to be put in place. I share
>>>>> your concerns over the deplorable plight of the judicial system in
>>>>> our
>>>>> country.
>>>>> regards
>>>>> jasvir
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:33 AM, MANIRAM SHARMA
>>>>> <http://us.mc1402.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maniramsharma@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Mani Ram Sharma
>>>>> Advocate
>>>>>
>>>>> Nakul Niwas, Behind Roadways Depot
>>>>> Sardarshahar- 331 403-7District Churu (Raj)
>>>>> http://us.mc14/
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