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Saturday, July 27, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] “I am Narendra Modi’s Wife”

We should not attack or even discuss somebody's personal life unless it is

in public interest.politics should not elude moral ethics.

Manas Ranjan Mahapatra

From: T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "I am Narendra Modi's Wife"

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

I am not impressed with your public statement. It was not called for. May be, readers' views have started pricking your conscience. Nobody stops you from being anti-Modi or pro-Congress; what hurts is your pretence of trying to hide your inner feelings. Modi's personal life (will come to this as I proceed) and Rahul calling himself a Brahmin are flimsy grounds on which they can be judged. We need to rise to much higher levels.

Coming to the debate part, I hate to dump all the politicians (there are good people & bad people every where but the politicians appear rascals because they are seen to be breaking the rules, which they make). Let us be realistic. Can we get rid of them? If they are all bad, would you like to import politicians from outside? You can answer it yourself without much of strain on your mind ????. Hence till the present system changes, we have to live with the menace. The only option before us is to choose the better out of the lot till we succeed or to infiltrate the system by getting into it thru electoral process. Kejriwal rightly understood it and has taken a plunge but unfortunately, he is also under your hammer (looks like you have some personal score to settle with him). Let us also accept that it is difficult to find even one politician, who can claim to be 100% above board; this truth also limits our options. So my personal request to you would be to keep your prejudices as your own secrets. Being National Convenor of IAC, it doesnt behove you to seem to ride two boats simultaneously.

Now coming to Modi specifics (your action of enclosing links related only to Modi and NIL to Rahul again smacks of your bias against the former). Anyway, I have gone thru both the links sent by you related to Modi's personal life. The first one saying that Modi accepts Jashodaben as his wife is dated 01 April 13 & the second one coming from Modi's wife saying "I am Modi's wife" is dated 11 Apr 13. I feel the matter should have been gracefully buried after the first one but the hungry media would have then starved.

Notwithstanding, after reading the stories my respect for Modi as well as his wife has increased manifold. Differences between husband and wife are common and they are acceptable as long as they escape public eye. I admire both the parties here that they decided to live separately and no mud was thrown at eachother. The fact that they did not separate/divorce also speaks of their greatness, if viewed from the old Indian traditions. Modi, if not his wife, could have easily thrown her away and picked up another partner like Mr Putin, the Great but he did not do so. It is unfortunate that virtue is being displayed as being ugly by the media hounds. We dont really like to let people live in peace. If Modi had married another lady after becoming CM, we would not have spared him, either. Honestly speaking, we should encourage politicians to remain unmarried or if married, staying away from family/ relations (utopian idea); this will, to a great extent, reduce nepotism and corruption besides devoting full time to the profession. Full marks to Modi, on this account. Please look at the similar cases and you will find some resemblance except one.

Hope my thoughts havent annoyed you, Mr Sarbajit.

Regards.

Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Some IAC subscribers have falsely said that I am anti-Modi / anti-BJP. Accordingly, I hereby give a public statement (offer valid for 15 days) in my personal capacity for benefit of IAC movement and anti-corruption movement in India.

"I, Sarbajit Roy, National Convenor - India Against Corruption an apolitical jan andolan, shall vote for the BJP and publicly support Mr. Narendra Modi for Prime Minister of India in 2014, if Mr. Modi and/or BJP publicly clarifies to my satisfaction who this lady "Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi" is and why/if she suffered humiliation and mistreatment for so long in his and/or BJP ruled State of Gujarat.

Provided that I am free to vote for the BJP, or not, irrespective of Mr. Modi / BJP providing a clarification"

Provided further that this offer is subject to a prior offer/declaration given that I will similarly vote for/support Shri Rahul Gandhi / Congress Party if Shri Rahul Gandhi / Congress Party clarifies to my satisfaction how/if Shri Rahul Gandhi claims to be a Brahmin by caste (said prior offer expiring at midnight of 30/31 August 2013)

Provided further that this and all other such offers made by me are subject to their legality under the laws of India.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TOP-gujarat-chief-minister-narendra-modi-finally-accepts-wife-jashoda-4223132-PHO.html

http://www.openmedianetwork.in/article/nation/i-am-narendra-modi-s-wife

Sarbajit

"I am Narendra Modi's Wife"

In a poor village, the woman who is believed to be the estranged wife of the most powerful man in Gujarat lives in a one-room home

She is clad in an ill-fitting blouse and a modest printed sari. Somewhat stooped, her face is wrinkled, her hands have obviously seen hard times and her hair is pulled back in a tight bun, making her look severe. Dirt grips the cracks of her slipper-clad feet. She could have been any woman in Rajosana village, Gujarat. But then, she is Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi. Everyone in this village knows her as Narendra Modi's wife.

After the post-Godhra Gujarat riots, Modi's political foes in Banaskantha district discovered her in this dusty village. Since then, Jashodaben has lived her life under intense scrutiny. Few among the 2,500 villagers, predominantly Muslim, disbelieve her story. Even Modi has neither confirmed nor denied her muted claim. At the time of going to press, a faxed request for a comment was not returned by Modi's office.

People close to her say that she was married to Modi in his native village, Vadnagar, in Mehsana district, when she was 18. At the time of her marriage, she had studied only up to Class VII. That is believed to have put a strain on their marriage. (Also, according to a villager, Jashodaben does not like to be photographed as she believes she is not good looking.) A few days after the marriage, Jashodaben was sent back to her father Chimanlal's house to complete her education. As those who know her say, in a bid to please her husband and measure up to his exacting standards, she started studying in Dholaka and completed her SSC (old pattern) in 1972. Then she completed a primary teachers course and worked in Ahmedabad for three months.

Subsequently, on 23 March 1978, Jashodaben joined a primary school in Dekwali village in Banaskantha district. She was later transferred to the District Panchayat School in Roopal village where she worked for 12 years. On 2 December 1991, she came to Rajosana village, where she currently lives. Villagers say that though she has been to Ahmedabad occasionally, she was never asked to stay on by her husband.

Jashodaben, a first standard teacher at the Rajosana Primary School, is very popular among her Muslim students. Muslim women in the village, none of whom were willing to be quoted, say that Modi's estranged wife is shaping the personalities of Muslim children through her diligence as a teacher. They seem to like her. But the 57-year-old will be retiring in October.

"Narendrabhai Modi is a national leader. He is intelligent and good looking. Jashodaben may not be able to match him. But she is his wife; he has married her. He must take her back to live with him," says a village elder.

When I met her at the school, Jashodaben was as excited as a child and could not stop smiling. She expressed a desire to talk and tell her tale. But the principal of the school, Pravinkumar P Vyas, admonished her for talking to a journalist. "You will only talk to them after school hours. Now go back to your class," Vyas told her.

She pleaded, "Can I talk to her during the break? It will only take a few minutes." But the principal was unrelenting.

She left the room meekly, only to come back soon. She said,"I will not say anything against my husband. He is very powerful. This job is all I have to survive. I am afraid of the consequences." She then went back to her classroom.

Meanwhile, the principal had made a call from his mobile phone to inform somebody that Jashodaben had visitors. He then went to meet her in her classroom. After that, she became a different person. She smiled no more, her excitement was gone and she looked nervous. She kept wringing her hands. When I approached her again, she screamed, asking to be left alone. But as she walked away, she gestured to suggest that she would talk later.

Later, some men visited the school, one after the other, in different vehicles. They parked their vehicles within the school premises, and looked directly into the principal's office. After a while, they left. When the school day came to an end, Jashodaben almost ran out to a waiting autorickshaw. She pointed at me and told some villagers that I was harassing her.

Hiding her face in her hands, she went to her brother's house in her maternal village in Brahamanwada, about 20 km away. A few minutes later, a young man who identified himself as Prakashbhai, a reporter from Ram Setu (a two-page government-run newspaper printed with inconsistent frequency), approached me and asked me to leave the village. By then a sizeable crowd had gathered around us.

Though Jashodaben earns a monthly salary of Rs 10,000, she lives in a one-room tenement in the Panchalvas area in the village, and pays a rent of Rs 150 every month. The 100 sq ft room has a tin roof, no toilets, and not even a bathroom. The tap is located outside the house. According to the villagers, Jashodaben wakes up very early and takes a bath outside the house.

Despite the fact that she can afford a better life, she has chosen to stay in a somewhat impoverished village, in a sympathetic and helpful neighbourhood. Here, her story is known to all. Even the children of her school refer to her as 'Narendrabhai Modi's wife'.

But for all practical purposes, that means little. Jashodaben does not enjoy any privileges. She has to sweep and clean her house, fill water, use a public toilet, cook her meals and wash her own clothes. She does not have any domestic help.

The moment a car is spotted in the village, those living in the bylane leading to Jashodaben's house gather outside their homes and maintain a close watch on her. Everyone I met claimed to be close to her. In fact, some even asked for money to ensure good access to her. Every Sunday, she takes the 20 km ride to Brahmanwada in an autorickshaw to spend the day with her brother's family. Her brother runs a provision store.

People close to her say that she longs for that phone call from her husband, the call asking her to come and live with him forever. Jashodaben has consulted numerous astrologers for this reason. Interestingly, the verdict of all the astrologers is that one day she will definitely live with her husband.

The war between the BJP and Congress in Gujarat, particularly in Rajosana, works in Jashodaben's favour. Her story will be retold over and over again.

For many years, the Congress had an upper hand in the Panchayat elections, but of late, the BJP is emerging stronger here. So, while Modi's supporters maintain a close watch on Jashodaben's activities to ensure that her disclosures do not embarrass the Chief Minister of Gujarat, his opponents are keen to reveal her to the nation. Meanwhile, Jashodaben is noticed to be turning increasingly religious.

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Re: [IAC#RG] “I am Narendra Modi’s Wife”

Dear Sarsbjit,

Modi only only Modi can save this country
I am absolutely apolitical and professional
and now fully convinced what the present Govt has done this country, basically ruined the contry and nation as a whole.
65 MPs wrote to Obama about Modi:what the hell is it? They deserve to disqualified and put behind bar for anti national activities because they swear by the contitution of India and faith in the judiciary
Some rascals use community to prevent arresting and punishing terrorist, deny the existence of IM and what not.
Raised doubts about security, some NGOs paid and financed by anti national elements from within & outside the country are allowed to speak to demoralize the force, these group needs to be investigated regarding financing and other hidden agenda and prosecute them.
How they can insult our poor and hungry men and women children by saying full meal at Rs 5, 1, 12 then on pressure withdraw statements, meaning they are cheats and know nothing about the realty of proverty in India, deserve to darken their face in public.
Congress leader like Digvijay vould talk all nonsense and escape being distanced by his bloody party who claim to bo the monopoly of freedom ftom British, hell they are the gestest liers, Freedom movement was a spontaneous national under the leadership those great people.
These Paid NGOs now questioning court jufgements
Oh my God what will happen to this great country

Only Modi not BJP could save and bring the country back to normal
Please convey to all members and Even AAP time to join hands, not to fragment and divide voters if divided these bugers will return back and finally Indai will break and disappear from the world map
Let us do whatever we have in our hand save this country from ruins

Modi can only do others cannot
please tell our minority friends do not hate Modi
Please convey these BJP old guards like Sinhas, Singhs and even Advaniji, time has come for them to remain quite, even if they dislike Modi
They are already tried and tested persons, people has rejected give a chance to MODI

Dr Elangbam K S
Shillong

On Jul 28, 2013 3:12 AM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Pannu

On what basis did you come to the conclusion that I am pro-Congress ? Life is not only Orange, White or Green, there is also Blue, Red and Yellow etc (not to mention Brown, Olive and Khaki).

If you agree with AAP's view on politics being the solution, then you are quite obviously not TOUGH enough for the battle which is sure to come. WIMPY things like Voting, Gandhism, Satyagraha etc are not really within the toolset which IAC will use. If you wait a week or 2 you can go watch Prakash Jha's ersatz "SatyaGraha" and "feel good" about Big_B impersonating Anna (or not) with lots of Indian flag waving. All that is not the IAC of today (and the IAC which is to come).

While going on about your "respect" for Namo's handling of his domestic situation, have you looked at it from his wife's POV ? A male can go plant his seed / staff anywhere, but such options are not really available to Hindu womenfolk.

Let me say this very baldly from the hitherto uncontested / uncontradicted facts.

A) Namo contracted a child mnarriage to Jashodabehn ? He then took sanyaas, joined the RSS (an avowedly misogynist body which accords to women the status of chattel) and completely abandoned his wife as part of the misogynist RSS pracharak norms. (My own equally Hindutva based nationalist movement OTH encourages familyhood and makes it compulsory for its pracharaks to be householders).

B) The child marriage (it was a marriage and not a sagaai) once contracted (may or may not be consummated) is LEGAL and preserved under the Hindu Marriage Act (I trust Namo does not deny he is a Hindu). Such marriage is NOT "void" but it is "voidable" at the instance of any party once they attain adulthood. (There are "n" number of BJP advocates on this list who can correct me on the law)

C) Poor Jashodabehn is a Good devoted Hindu wife pining for her husband to call her, and havng to uplift Muslim students in the meantime to maintain herself. What sort of Hindu would you describe the husband of such a lady as ? What is the difference between such a person and, say, the husband of a Shah Bano ? Would it really make a difference if India had a Uniform Civil Code if such people administer it ?

D) The only thing which prevents Namo from taking his wife into his home, is the love which dare not speak its name that binds Iron Man and Prince Charming to their respective mothers.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:44 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

  I am not impressed with your public statement. It was not called for. May be, readers' views have started pricking your conscience. Nobody stops you from being anti-Modi or pro-Congress; what hurts is your pretence of saying to hide your inner feelings. Modi's personal life (will come to this as I proceed) and Rahul calling himself a Brahmin are flimsy grounds on which they can be judged. We need to rise to much higher levels.

   Coming to the debate part, I hate to dump all the politicians (there are good people & bad people every where but the politicians appear rascals because they are seen to be breaking the rules, which they make). Let us be realistic. Can we get rid of them? If they are all bad, would you like to import politicians from outside? You can answer it yourself without much of strain on your mind ????. Hence till the present system changes, we have to live with the menace. The only option before us is to choose the better out of the lot till we succeed or to infiltrate the system by getting into it thru electoral process. Kejriwal rightly understood it and has taken a plunge but unfortunately, he is also under your hammer (looks like you have some personal score to settle with him). Let us also accept that it is difficult to find even one politician, who can claim to be 100% above board; this truth also limits our options. So my personal request to you would be to keep your prejudices as your own secrets. Being National Convenor of IAC, it doesnt behove you to seem to ride two boats simultaneously.

Now coming to Modi specifics (your action of enclosing links related only to Modi and NIL to Rahul again smacks of your bias against the former). Anyway, I have gone thru both the links sent by you related to Modi's personal life. The first one saying that Modi accepts Jashodaben as his wife is dated 01 April 13 & the second one coming from Modi's wife saying "I am Modi's wife" is dated 11 Apr 13. I feel the matter should have been gracefully buried after the first one but the hungry media would have then starved.

    Notwithstanding, after reading the stories my respect for Modi as well as his wife has increased manifold. Differences between husband and wife are common and they are acceptable as long as they escape public eye. I admire both the parties here that they decided to live separately and no mud was thrown at each other. The fact that they did not separate/divorce also speaks of their greatness, if viewed from the old Indian traditions. Modi, if not his wife, could have easily thrown her away and picked up another partner like Mr Putin, the Great but he did not do so. It is unfortunate that virtue is being displayed as being ugly by the media hounds. We dont really like to let people live in peace. If Modi had married another lady after becoming CM, we would not have spared him, either. Honestly speaking, we should encourage politicians to remain unmarried or if married, staying away from family/ relations (utopian idea); this will, to a great extent, reduce nepotism and corruption besides devoting full time to the profession. Full marks to Modi, on this account. Please look at the similar cases and you will find some resemblance except one.

   Hope my thoughts havent annoyed you, Mr Sarbajit.
Regards.
Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

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Re: [IAC#RG] “I am Narendra Modi’s Wife”

Dear Mr Pannu

On what basis did you come to the conclusion that I am pro-Congress ? Life is not only Orange, White or Green, there is also Blue, Red and Yellow etc (not to mention Brown, Olive and Khaki).

If you agree with AAP's view on politics being the solution, then you are quite obviously not TOUGH enough for the battle which is sure to come. WIMPY things like Voting, Gandhism, Satyagraha etc are not really within the toolset which IAC will use. If you wait a week or 2 you can go watch Prakash Jha's ersatz "SatyaGraha" and "feel good" about Big_B impersonating Anna (or not) with lots of Indian flag waving. All that is not the IAC of today (and the IAC which is to come).

While going on about your "respect" for Namo's handling of his domestic situation, have you looked at it from his wife's POV ? A male can go plant his seed / staff anywhere, but such options are not really available to Hindu womenfolk.

Let me say this very baldly from the hitherto uncontested / uncontradicted facts.

A) Namo contracted a child mnarriage to Jashodabehn ? He then took sanyaas, joined the RSS (an avowedly misogynist body which accords to women the status of chattel) and completely abandoned his wife as part of the misogynist RSS pracharak norms. (My own equally Hindutva based nationalist movement OTH encourages familyhood and makes it compulsory for its pracharaks to be householders).

B) The child marriage (it was a marriage and not a sagaai) once contracted (may or may not be consummated) is LEGAL and preserved under the Hindu Marriage Act (I trust Namo does not deny he is a Hindu). Such marriage is NOT "void" but it is "voidable" at the instance of any party once they attain adulthood. (There are "n" number of BJP advocates on this list who can correct me on the law)

C) Poor Jashodabehn is a Good devoted Hindu wife pining for her husband to call her, and havng to uplift Muslim students in the meantime to maintain herself. What sort of Hindu would you describe the husband of such a lady as ? What is the difference between such a person and, say, the husband of a Shah Bano ? Would it really make a difference if India had a Uniform Civil Code if such people administer it ?

D) The only thing which prevents Namo from taking his wife into his home, is the love which dare not speak its name that binds Iron Man and Prince Charming to their respective mothers.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:44 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

  I am not impressed with your public statement. It was not called for. May be, readers' views have started pricking your conscience. Nobody stops you from being anti-Modi or pro-Congress; what hurts is your pretence of saying to hide your inner feelings. Modi's personal life (will come to this as I proceed) and Rahul calling himself a Brahmin are flimsy grounds on which they can be judged. We need to rise to much higher levels.

   Coming to the debate part, I hate to dump all the politicians (there are good people & bad people every where but the politicians appear rascals because they are seen to be breaking the rules, which they make). Let us be realistic. Can we get rid of them? If they are all bad, would you like to import politicians from outside? You can answer it yourself without much of strain on your mind ????. Hence till the present system changes, we have to live with the menace. The only option before us is to choose the better out of the lot till we succeed or to infiltrate the system by getting into it thru electoral process. Kejriwal rightly understood it and has taken a plunge but unfortunately, he is also under your hammer (looks like you have some personal score to settle with him). Let us also accept that it is difficult to find even one politician, who can claim to be 100% above board; this truth also limits our options. So my personal request to you would be to keep your prejudices as your own secrets. Being National Convenor of IAC, it doesnt behove you to seem to ride two boats simultaneously.

Now coming to Modi specifics (your action of enclosing links related only to Modi and NIL to Rahul again smacks of your bias against the former). Anyway, I have gone thru both the links sent by you related to Modi's personal life. The first one saying that Modi accepts Jashodaben as his wife is dated 01 April 13 & the second one coming from Modi's wife saying "I am Modi's wife" is dated 11 Apr 13. I feel the matter should have been gracefully buried after the first one but the hungry media would have then starved.

    Notwithstanding, after reading the stories my respect for Modi as well as his wife has increased manifold. Differences between husband and wife are common and they are acceptable as long as they escape public eye. I admire both the parties here that they decided to live separately and no mud was thrown at each other. The fact that they did not separate/divorce also speaks of their greatness, if viewed from the old Indian traditions. Modi, if not his wife, could have easily thrown her away and picked up another partner like Mr Putin, the Great but he did not do so. It is unfortunate that virtue is being displayed as being ugly by the media hounds. We dont really like to let people live in peace. If Modi had married another lady after becoming CM, we would not have spared him, either. Honestly speaking, we should encourage politicians to remain unmarried or if married, staying away from family/ relations (utopian idea); this will, to a great extent, reduce nepotism and corruption besides devoting full time to the profession. Full marks to Modi, on this account. Please look at the similar cases and you will find some resemblance except one.

   Hope my thoughts havent annoyed you, Mr Sarbajit.
Regards.
Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

Re: [IAC#RG] Who says Govt doesn't / can't work ?

Thanks for the good input, Mr Sarbajit.

However, will it be fair to limit our judgement on just one incident and dish out a certificate of good governance. What about the major failures witnessed thus far?

I think we should raise our standards much higher and judge them on a very wide spectrum. Since election 2014 is approaching fast, you can, though, expect better performance in the near future because they know our memory is shortlived to retain earlier happenings.

Wonder if you will agree.

Regards.

T Pannu

Air Veteran

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear IAC members

We keep hearing that Govt is useless / corrupt / doesn't work etc. Let me disclose that often the fault is OURS because of our lack of practice and egoistic approach when it comes to interfacing with Govt..

Some days when I am "on-net" I usually dash off about 20-30 complaints (its all automated, and automatically tracked for followup) on small issues.

Here is an example inline : Result achieved within 57 minutes Read through to end

At 11:43 am I encountered 2 govt_of_india websites which were distributing virii (There's an automated scanner running somewhere to detect these things - which tracks about 1 million websites per hour)

At 12:00 noon following message goes out from me:-

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Subject: Chinese hackers :
To: mocit@nic.in

To:
Shri Kapil Sibal
Union Minister C&IT

27-07-2013

Sir

Chinese hackers have infiltrated GOV.IN "Internet facing computers".

This is a major security threat to the nation and requires your prompt personal attention since the Controller of Cyber Security / DG-CERT-IN etc seem to be sleeping.

Please see:
www.anantapur.gov.in/uc-page/images/faq/jpmorgan.html
www.anantapur.gov.in/uc-page/images/faq/sallymaestudent.html
www.ogpl.gov.in/node/65838

yours etc.

Er. Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024
Tel 09311448069

At 12:06 PM I get call from Min's office, asking me to contact Dr. Gulshan Rai (he's in charge of Cyber Security for GoI) directly on his gmail ID. I say "its not my job now considering I've filed an official complaint to the Minister and I want to go through channels". Person on line then gives me a gmail ID to send the complaint to.

From: Sarbajit Roy<sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Subject: Fwd: Chinese hackers :
To: ranjxxxx.kxxxx@gmail.com

Shri Ranjxxxx Khxxxxx
Private Secretary

As discussed, please take immediate action on this with Dr. Gulshan Rai etc. as these sites are planting malware on user computers to take over email accounts.

By 12:57 PM, these sites have been corrected.

MORAL / TIPS:

1) Send the message to the top.

2) I'm sure they called back and sorted it out because
a) they don't want to tangle
b) They know that "small" problems need to be sorted out before they snowball
c) I used the right "babu" code language - eg. "Internet facing computers",
d) I complained about a lower authority under them - whose job it actually was.
e) In all my interactions (emails and phone), I was polite, CRISP, and knew my rights
F) IT WAS IN THE GOVT's INTEREST TO RESOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.

Point F is the most important. You must always work after figuring out how the other side (Govt / babu etc) ALSO benefits (if all else fails there's always money).

Try it, it takes practice and is frustrating at first, but after that it's like a hot knife going through butter (for small things)

Now I could have reported this to CERT-IN directly, but they would have taken 24-48 hours to "do the needful".

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] FW: UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

Dear Air Commodore Pannu

The reason we don't discuss Bofors nowadays is a mundane one.

As per our last month's internal statistics 48.6% of Indian voters in 2014 were born before the Bofors scandal broke and 39.2% of the remainder don't give a rats arse about Bofors when it comes to voting.

If you really want to know what voters are concerned about (and I dont believe fake surveys in paid media - but rely instead on IAC's own detailed ground level inputs) - POVERTY, INFLATION, RELIGION, CASTE, INSECURITY, CRIME, DRUGS, EKING OUT EXISTENCE, COPING WITH MONEY LENDERS and so on. "Corruption" is a symptom of all these and not the disease.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:34 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

   I am not convinced with your reply. My belief that you are hung up on Modi is getting stronger day by day. Your references to Modi alone confirms this.

   Secondly, your soft corner for Congress seems to be evident from your silence on Chitra Subramanian's interview (Titled Quattrocchi's Gravy Trian), completely devoted to Bofors Deal. Inspite of my pointing out that Mr Kumar probably erred in clubbing it with Kedarnath problem, you have found it convenient to ignore it. Wonder how otherwise the complete story appearing in Kumar's email escaped your notice.

    I feel there is a need on your part to be sensitive to readers' feelings. You need to assure that the moderators do not suppress any stories. If they do, it amounts to censorship. It seems evident from some mails that anything derogatory to Congress is being withheld; this must be based on their experiences.

    Lastly, it seems to me that you have unnecessarily enlarged the scope/purview of IAC by giving an indication that you can investigate and correct the politicians. At one stage when some of us pointed out that we should not discuss religion here, you emphatically

said "NO". With your limited resources, I feel you are trying to eat more than what you can digest. Please give it a thought.
Regards.
Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

Re: [IAC#RG] “I am Narendra Modi’s Wife”

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

Hope my thoughts havent annoyed you, Mr Sarbajit.

Regards.

Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Some IAC subscribers have falsely said that I am anti-Modi / anti-BJP. Accordingly, I hereby give a public statement (offer valid for 15 days) in my personal capacity for benefit of IAC movement and anti-corruption movement in India.

"I, Sarbajit Roy, National Convenor - India Against Corruption an apolitical jan andolan, shall vote for the BJP and publicly support Mr. Narendra Modi for Prime Minister of India in 2014, if Mr. Modi and/or BJP publicly clarifies to my satisfaction who this lady "Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi" is and why/if she suffered humiliation and mistreatment for so long in his and/or BJP ruled State of Gujarat.

Provided that I am free to vote for the BJP, or not, irrespective of Mr. Modi / BJP providing a clarification"

Provided further that this offer is subject to a prior offer/declaration given that I will similarly vote for/support Shri Rahul Gandhi / Congress Party if Shri Rahul Gandhi / Congress Party clarifies to my satisfaction how/if Shri Rahul Gandhi claims to be a Brahmin by caste (said prior offer expiring at midnight of 30/31 August 2013)

Provided further that this and all other such offers made by me are subject to their legality under the laws of India.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TOP-gujarat-chief-minister-narendra-modi-finally-accepts-wife-jashoda-4223132-PHO.html

http://www.openmedianetwork.in/article/nation/i-am-narendra-modi-s-wife

Sarbajit

"I am Narendra Modi's Wife"

In a poor village, the woman who is believed to be the estranged wife of the most powerful man in Gujarat lives in a one-room home

She is clad in an ill-fitting blouse and a modest printed sari. Somewhat stooped, her face is wrinkled, her hands have obviously seen hard times and her hair is pulled back in a tight bun, making her look severe. Dirt grips the cracks of her slipper-clad feet. She could have been any woman in Rajosana village, Gujarat. But then, she is Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi. Everyone in this village knows her as Narendra Modi's wife.

After the post-Godhra Gujarat riots, Modi's political foes in Banaskantha district discovered her in this dusty village. Since then, Jashodaben has lived her life under intense scrutiny. Few among the 2,500 villagers, predominantly Muslim, disbelieve her story. Even Modi has neither confirmed nor denied her muted claim. At the time of going to press, a faxed request for a comment was not returned by Modi's office.

People close to her say that she was married to Modi in his native village, Vadnagar, in Mehsana district, when she was 18. At the time of her marriage, she had studied only up to Class VII. That is believed to have put a strain on their marriage. (Also, according to a villager, Jashodaben does not like to be photographed as she believes she is not good looking.) A few days after the marriage, Jashodaben was sent back to her father Chimanlal's house to complete her education. As those who know her say, in a bid to please her husband and measure up to his exacting standards, she started studying in Dholaka and completed her SSC (old pattern) in 1972. Then she completed a primary teachers course and worked in Ahmedabad for three months.

Subsequently, on 23 March 1978, Jashodaben joined a primary school in Dekwali village in Banaskantha district. She was later transferred to the District Panchayat School in Roopal village where she worked for 12 years. On 2 December 1991, she came to Rajosana village, where she currently lives. Villagers say that though she has been to Ahmedabad occasionally, she was never asked to stay on by her husband.

Jashodaben, a first standard teacher at the Rajosana Primary School, is very popular among her Muslim students. Muslim women in the village, none of whom were willing to be quoted, say that Modi's estranged wife is shaping the personalities of Muslim children through her diligence as a teacher. They seem to like her. But the 57-year-old will be retiring in October.

"Narendrabhai Modi is a national leader. He is intelligent and good looking. Jashodaben may not be able to match him. But she is his wife; he has married her. He must take her back to live with him," says a village elder.

When I met her at the school, Jashodaben was as excited as a child and could not stop smiling. She expressed a desire to talk and tell her tale. But the principal of the school, Pravinkumar P Vyas, admonished her for talking to a journalist. "You will only talk to them after school hours. Now go back to your class," Vyas told her.

She pleaded, "Can I talk to her during the break? It will only take a few minutes." But the principal was unrelenting.

She left the room meekly, only to come back soon. She said,"I will not say anything against my husband. He is very powerful. This job is all I have to survive. I am afraid of the consequences." She then went back to her classroom.

Meanwhile, the principal had made a call from his mobile phone to inform somebody that Jashodaben had visitors. He then went to meet her in her classroom. After that, she became a different person. She smiled no more, her excitement was gone and she looked nervous. She kept wringing her hands. When I approached her again, she screamed, asking to be left alone. But as she walked away, she gestured to suggest that she would talk later.

Later, some men visited the school, one after the other, in different vehicles. They parked their vehicles within the school premises, and looked directly into the principal's office. After a while, they left. When the school day came to an end, Jashodaben almost ran out to a waiting autorickshaw. She pointed at me and told some villagers that I was harassing her.

Hiding her face in her hands, she went to her brother's house in her maternal village in Brahamanwada, about 20 km away. A few minutes later, a young man who identified himself as Prakashbhai, a reporter from Ram Setu (a two-page government-run newspaper printed with inconsistent frequency), approached me and asked me to leave the village. By then a sizeable crowd had gathered around us.

Though Jashodaben earns a monthly salary of Rs 10,000, she lives in a one-room tenement in the Panchalvas area in the village, and pays a rent of Rs 150 every month. The 100 sq ft room has a tin roof, no toilets, and not even a bathroom. The tap is located outside the house. According to the villagers, Jashodaben wakes up very early and takes a bath outside the house.

Despite the fact that she can afford a better life, she has chosen to stay in a somewhat impoverished village, in a sympathetic and helpful neighbourhood. Here, her story is known to all. Even the children of her school refer to her as 'Narendrabhai Modi's wife'.

But for all practical purposes, that means little. Jashodaben does not enjoy any privileges. She has to sweep and clean her house, fill water, use a public toilet, cook her meals and wash her own clothes. She does not have any domestic help.

The moment a car is spotted in the village, those living in the bylane leading to Jashodaben's house gather outside their homes and maintain a close watch on her. Everyone I met claimed to be close to her. In fact, some even asked for money to ensure good access to her. Every Sunday, she takes the 20 km ride to Brahmanwada in an autorickshaw to spend the day with her brother's family. Her brother runs a provision store.

People close to her say that she longs for that phone call from her husband, the call asking her to come and live with him forever. Jashodaben has consulted numerous astrologers for this reason. Interestingly, the verdict of all the astrologers is that one day she will definitely live with her husband.

The war between the BJP and Congress in Gujarat, particularly in Rajosana, works in Jashodaben's favour. Her story will be retold over and over again.

For many years, the Congress had an upper hand in the Panchayat elections, but of late, the BJP is emerging stronger here. So, while Modi's supporters maintain a close watch on Jashodaben's activities to ensure that her disclosures do not embarrass the Chief Minister of Gujarat, his opponents are keen to reveal her to the nation. Meanwhile, Jashodaben is noticed to be turning increasingly religious.

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Re: [IAC#RG] FW: UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

Dear Hemant

As usual you have made some interesting points which need to be addressed.

1) Please don't keep implying that we censor emails - you know very well that we allow emails which make their points properly irrespective of author / party / criticism. The next time you say "I hope moderator will publish my mail... ", we won't.

2) If an activist can't catch a small fish, there is no way he can harpoon a whale. As you know, I have done much whale harpooning in my time, but have now moved beyond all that and am now a deeply spiritual person devoted to spreading message of Hindutva.

3) The whales I speared were mostly the BJP whales. The reason for this was not political, but it was because the BJP fellows were "not as clever" as the Congress when it came to covering their tracks.

4) The BJP when they were in power as NDA, were also bloody arrogant and brazen in their corruption. They thought they were untouchable (in the same way the UPA-II is now). The BJP also has this tendency of being "kanjoos" when it comes to distributing the fruits of corruption, so mid-level babus did not support them in pushing / preparing files to the extent they support Congress.The NDA babus were always happy to give me loads of documents free of charge to shaft their political overlords with.

5) Now, here is the REAL REASON why we hardly publish much on Congress corruption. BECAUSE the anti-Congress people on this list don't know how to write properly. They feel we must publish each and every piece of atrociously written propaganda crap they mass mail us with. They mistake IAC forums for Indiatimes comments.

6) We take the credibility of posts made to this forum very seriously. At the very least your posts must meet Wikipedia norms -->, you know properly "verifiable", from "reliable sources" etc. We have no difficulty with biased, one-sided and slightly abusive messages - so long as they are verifiably from reliable sources. Posting crap like "Feroze Gandhi is the son of a Muslim wine merchant" is simply not going to work on our lists ("8134" this is for you).

7) So now use your motivation, and send us ORIGINAL well written TOPICAL stuff on RECENT Congress corruption - AND WE WILL POST IT.

PS: Don't go back into things like Bofors - which are very dead horses and not worth flogging.

PPS: Rahul Gandhi has "girlfriends" ?

PPPS: The PRIME REASON why there is so much corruption in UPA-II is "coalition politics". The Govt of the day has to put up with a lot of shit just to stay on in power (and incidentally provide some token semblance of Govt. to ungrateful buggers like us).

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

With respect to the mail below, are we saying that we let go the BIG people and scammers? And bite people who are working and their style of working is not as per our wishes? It makes no sense when you have big fish and yet you want to tiny fishes only??? Why people like you and I have no aspiration that one day we can make India a prosperous nation where there is no corruption and justice to prevail?

As per people like you have said me to be a radical thought person, tomorrow if I am do anything good for nation suppose if I say appointment 1000 judges each courts in each state, then what you will say? It is definite that you will say "you are asking for 1000 more corrupted people" though my motive will be expedited justice system will erase pending cases and crime. Then you will say I am corrupt?

It is more like you are either afraid / paid so not to involve in a big dog fight? Are we so small enough as not to fight for justice or fool enough to get confused and disoriented? Based on my experience or maybe also other people, we are not fools to be easily dealt with by any govt. official, then why we are not having a single person who can "publish" a single big scam topic on the list? Why moderators are always blocking anything involving congress? There are topics involving modi, mayawati, nitish kumar even ram dev baba but never anything involving congress?

Till date we have appointed congress who f***ed us for 65 years and still fu**ing middle class, aren't we suppose to say some thing for it? Just last year Arvind kejriwal started his political party and the mailing list is stone pelting him? for what? do we feel threatened by his small presence? Or we are afraid of big parties?

For your "Rahul Gandhi is a Brahmin ?" it will take a considerate stupid person to believe that. And those who believe that sh*t should leave or not be allowed to post their statement. We are yet not talking of Rahul Gandhi's affairs or girlfriends... and how ill treated they were...

All the things mention do point to one direction, this list is becoming more of "corrupt" nature as none of us are stupid or fearful of big fish but yet the list is delibrately direct to different direction altogether.

I hope moderator will publish my mail...

Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar

To acquire knowledge, one must study;
but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.
- Marilyn vos Savant

Re: [IAC#RG] FW: UPA exposed to average Indians - Chitra Subramanian Duella

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

I am not convinced with your reply. My belief that you are hung up on Modi is getting stronger day by day. Your references to Modi alone confirms this.

Secondly, your soft corner for Congress seems to be evident from your silence on Chitra Subramanian's interview (Titled Quattrocchi's Gravy Trian), completely devoted to Bofors Deal. Inspite of my pointing out that Mr Kumar probably erred in clubbing it with Kedarnath problem, you have found it convenient to ignore it. Wonder how otherwise the complete story appearing in Kumar's email escaped your notice.

I feel there is a need on your part to be sensitive to readers' feelings. You need to assure that the moderators do not suppress any stories. If they do, it amounts to censorship. It seems evident from some mails that anything derogatory to Congress is being withheld; this must be based on their experiences.

Lastly, it seems to me that you have unnecessarily enlarged the scope/purview of IAC by giving an indication that you can investigate and correct the politicians. At one stage when some of us pointed out that we should not discuss religion here, you emphatically

said "NO". With your limited resources, I feel you are trying to eat more than what you can digest. Please give it a thought.

Regards.

Air Commodore (Retd) T Pannu

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Air Commodore Pannu

1. There is nothing authentic in public domain to show that Mr. Vadra owns an Air Charter company which demanded Rs.2 lakhs (or even 1 rupee) to ferry persons/bodies in the Uttarakhand disaster.

2. IAC is apolitical. We don't have a soft corner for anybody - its pure business - our contempt for democratic systems is well known and publicly stated. Anybody who has negotiated with us knows that we don't leave even one drop behind for someone else to squeeze. Come election time, for a reliable seller, the more buyers there are in the market the better. The 2014 election is going to be very good for people who deal with anyone. For instance, in the recent WB panchayat poll the CPM candidates were prepared to pay upto Rs. 95,000 per vote in certain panchayats whereas TMC was only prepared to pay around Rs. 20,000 (of course these are exceptional rates in some prestige contests) . And this is only for a PANCHAYAT poll.

3. Modi loses ground while BJP streaks ahead
A recent survey by CNN-IBN and CSDS claims that only about 18% Indians want to see Chief Minister Narendra Modi as India's next Prime Minister.

The maximum approval for Modi outside his state comes from upper caste college educated Hindus. A whopping 88% of BJP supporters from Gujarat seem to back Modi for PM. However, the small sample size of only 910 respondents from Gujarat renders this survey somewhat dubious, although it claims as many Gujaratis (64%) believe Modi's government is corrupt as much (66%) as they believe the Central UPA-II government is too.

The BJP, however, appears to be doing much better in Gujarat than their Chief Minister who is slipping. The party is likely to gain 7% if elections were held today versus a 5% slippage for Modi personally.
4. If anyone wants to promote / deride Mr. Modi, I suggest this is the place to go to www.narendramodiplans.com or email info@narendramodiplans.com

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 2:17 AM, T Pannu <tpannu@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

   While appreciating your gesture of finding time to attend to the points raised by me, I regret to mention that you have not done justice. Please go over the problem once again.

   Mr Kumar Arun fwded the mail from another Mr Kumar making a request as follows:-

(Reaching Citizens of India for RTI approach through you, please do forward)

    I guess he approached you with the intention that you, being the Convenor of IAC, will be able to help. The same intention seemed repeated in the mail from Mr Vijoy Ambasta. In my opinion, the appropriate reply would have been as stated by Mr Devender Thakur. It would have been appreciated if you had taken a similar stand & advised the affected party accordingly instead of splitting hair. I rate you very high in my estimation & expect you to know that corruption/bribery thrives thru benami transactions by the highups. Merely saying that no plane was " lent" by Mr Vadra (since he owns none) has no meaning. I can agree that the report may be false but the way it is chosen to be disposed off is not fair. Secondly, the way you expressed your feelings about Modi smacks of your strong bias against the man (Incidently, I am neither pro nor anti-Modi).

  The second point was about Chitra Subramanian's interview; agreed that Mr Kumar erred in clubbing it with the first one. If I could sense the error, there should have been no problem for you (sitting at such a high pedestal) to make it out but you chose not to say even a word about the serious topic covered by her. Instead, you again appeared to confirm your bias against Modi by bringing him in whereas there was no mention of Modi anywhere in the interview. Will you please read it again.

    I am disappointed, Mr Sarbajit. The justice should not only be done but should also appear to be done. Of late, I have started getting an impression that you, though claiming to be apolitical, seem to have soft corner for persons (politicians) in/close to power but try to hide it. Will appreciate if you can correct my perception.

    Lastly, I wish to draw your attention to the following links. This may help you to have a re-think on Modi; he seems to be standing tall among the lot.

http://www.newsinsight.net/Ratingthecontestants.aspx#page=page-1

http://www.newsinsight.net/Ratingthecontestants-2.aspx#page=page-1
http://www.newsinsight.net/Ratingthecontestants-3.aspx#page=page-1

Veteran T Pannu
Air Commodore (Retd)

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Re: [IAC#RG] “I am Narendra Modi’s Wife”

Jo jitana Mahtwkanchhi hota hai ,ushko safed chehare ache lagtea hai, Modi Apne Man ke Hain , Jo apnee Dharmpatni ke satha Nahi Nibhaya ,to Desh ke Sath Kya Nibhayegen,

Congress and BJP me Koi Fark Nahi hai ,

Ham Log hamarea Desh Ham in Decteterone ke Bechmensea Kishi ke satha Rahana Pdtha

1-Nehru Gandhi Family

2-Abdulla Family, J&K

3-Badal -Punjab

4-Chutal -Haryana

5-Mulayam Yadav-UP

6-Mayawati-UP

7-Lalluji-Bihar

8-Nitishji-Bihar

9-Navinji-Odisha

10-mamtaji-West Bangal

12-Jaylalitaji

13-Karunanidhiji

On 27 July 2013 16:51, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

I have posted the following comments at http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1753768/report-rape-case-against-rahul-gandhi-quashed

This is how our courts deliver justice! Have you heard of shooting the messenger? As per the initial reports I had read the MLA had filed the petition based on a newspaper report. And if so, why should he not have filed the case, Rahul being a PM in waiting? I, for one, am convinced that the MLA was right and the court wrong in this case. Of course, I am also one of those who believe that more crimes have been committed by our courts in the name of justice than all the criminals convicted by them put together! And if you want it on authority this is what the National Commission to Review the working of the Constitution has said in its report: 'Judicial system has not been able to meet even the modest expectations of the society. Its delays and costs are frustrating, its processes slow and uncertain. People are pushed to seek recourse to extra-legal methods for relief. Trial system both on the civil and criminal side has utterly broken down.' Also, 'Thus we have arrived at a situation in the judicial administration where courts are deemed to exist for judges and lawyers and not for the public seeking justice'. And for the information of the less informed this commission was headed by former CJI Venkatachaliah and 6 of its 11 members were from the judiciary!

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

It is the under-informed people who give the ANTI-CONGRESS movement a bad name.

Most AK / Namo bhagats uniformly have the IQ of Rahul Gandhi. God has
also given keyboards to every monkey these days in the hope that his
name will be spelt correctly (eventually).

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1753768/report-rape-case-against-rahul-gandhi-quashed

Now if you want to say that the Supreme Court is corrupt, then we can
most definitely discuss that on this list with specific examples.

@RahulBagaria, the issue was never about Namo's marital status but
about how he treats women in general and his wife in particular.

Sarbajit

On 7/27/13, Arti Choraria <arti.choraria@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atleast he is not a rapist like rahul gandi. Ask rahul gandhi who is
> sukanya devi.

> On Jul 27, 2013 2:45 PM, "rahul bagaria" <bagaria.r@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to interrupt you with your pathetic views, but what I believe is ,
>> this is not at all a point of concern whether Modiji is married or
>> bachelor.The point of concern is better future of this country . I am a
>> strong follower of IAC but what hurts me is you are degrading every
>> party,
>> which is not a sign of healthy democracy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Regards
>>
>> Rahul Bagaria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:40 PM, <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> There cannot be more degrading and personalised debate as this one.
>>> Painful. Regds. SR
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> SR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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Re: [IAC#RG] India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

It is very sad.and has become almost part of our culture . Why blame any one though it was expected from our committed bureaucracy to break us.

May god grant wisdom to us

Brig J S Ahuja

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:23 PM, India News <indianewsco@gmail.com> wrote:

India's ex-servicmens apex body IESM splits over corruption charges

IESM GOVERNING BODY TERMINATES THE PRIMARY MEMBERSHIP OF LT GEN RAJ KADYAN

India's Ex-Service Men's apex body (IESM) has split over corruption charges with bitter emails being exchanged from all sides.

2 emails circulated from its blog and by its General Secretary are reproduced below to show the extent of the divide:

26 Jul 2013.

Dear Veterans,

Jai Hind.

Dear Members,

I am deeply pained to circulate the email below, received from Gp Capt VK Gandhi, Secretary General IESM.

However, the action taken by the IESM Governing Body is correct and it should have been taken long time ago.

Governing Body IESM continued to persuade Lt Gen Kadyan to mend his ways but, due to his ulterior motives and some carrot hanging somewhere, he continued on the course adopted by him to destroy IESM.

Five years ago Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Maj Gen Satbir Singh with increasingly very large support from ESM located from North to South of India from East to West of India, started IESM with great josh and efforts. Rightly, within six months of its raising IESM became a force to reckon.

While many other ESM organisation have been working hard and are still working hard to resolve problems of ESM and families, but the approach adopted by IESM made greater success in a short time.

The UPA Government became visibly scared of the ways of operations of IESM. Many requests, directly and indirectly came to IESM saying don't do this or that – IESM carried on fearlessly.

UPA Government has been looking for ways and means to destroy IESM as it destroyed many other movements. IESM leadership stood firmly against such attempts till one of its stalwarts saw some very attractive carrot hanging in front of him. This happened about two years ago.

For over two years I have been receiving very reliable information from many sources that Kadyan has been given a specific task to achieve. His behaviour in the IESM Governing Meetings was also confirming those inputs. I warned many senior members of IESM about it – but they would not believe me.

The true colours of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan became apparent to the Governing Body IESM in Dec 2012. The story beyond Dec 2012 has been well related by Gp Capt Gandhi in his email below.

Kadyan is playing very dirty trick of creating a divide among the officers, JCOs and OR among the ESM and families with a view to destroy their joint power to fight against injustice by the UPA Government and thus quickly reach the carrot hanging in front of him.

I am very sure that with the expulsion of Lt Gen Kadyan major hurdles in the way of IESM are out. IESM have the will power and resources and with help from you all – IESM will be able to come over the hurdles that Kadyan will now openly generate to ensure that he receives the carrot promised to him by highly placed personalities.

A sad day in the history of ESM and families of India.

Please remember with support from you ALL, IESM will regain its lost ground. So go all out to support IESM.

JAI BHARAT – JAI JAWAN.

In service of Indian Military Veterans & Families

Chander Kamboj

and

From :   Vinod Gandhi (vk_gandhi@yahoo.com)

To : indianveterans (indianveterans@yahoogroups.com); IESM GROUP   (iesm_group@googlegroups.com)

Dear Members

By now you must be aware that all is not well in IESM. It is my duty to keep facts in front of all members so that members can make their own opinion. At the outset I ask for your patience for a bit long mail but I cannot help since I want to bring all facts in-front of veterans

IESM has been in operation since last five years. The accounts of IESM had been regularly audited and presented to all veterans every year in AGM. All queries raised by veterans are answered satisfactorily. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had been signing the balance sheet for the last five years and had never raised any objection. Monthly income and expenditure statements are being made as per rules and are available in the office for all to check. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had access to all accounts as all other members of GB and all members of IESM. GB IESM invites all veterans to come and check the accounts which are available in the office. GB had not agreed to put the accounts on the website as demanded by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan as GB felt that Internet is not a safe medium such sensitive information. Any constructive suggestion would be taken and incorporated in the accounting procedure. Yes IESM Gov Body had refused to pay the transportation charges of veterans who came from Jhajjhar for casting their votes and attending the AGM on 2 Dec 2012, as it is against the rules of the AGM and elections. This has probably infuriated Lt Gen Raj Kadyan because he had to pay Rs 18000/ from his pocket to these veterans who were called by him to vote for him and his candidates. Accounts of IESM are being kept as per rules and will be projected for scrutiny of all members in coming AGM planned on 20 Oct 2013 at AVCC Sector 37 Noida.



The problem in IESM started about two years back when members of GB pointed out to the Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he had been visiting Defense Minister all alone and then issuing Sitreps to the environment. GB members advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan on many occasions that it must be delegation of IESM who should meet the RM and other officials to present the problems of veterans. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan refused this simple request and termed those meeting as his personal meetings and confirmed that he meets RM for many problems and also discusses the IESM issues and he would continue meeting him alone. We all know the outcome of these meetings! I can say with conviction that veterans and widows were not benefited in any way. But he continued visiting RM by himself and kept mentioning it in Sitreps. This issue was considered too insignificant to bring to the notice of environment. However GB members communicated their opposition to the stand of Lt Gen Kadyan. Veterans noticed the slant towards praise of the Govt in Sitreps in last few months and discussed with GB members. Many veterans expressed their apprehensions that this change in the outlook of Sitreps is not a healthy sign for our fight for Justice and OROP.

GB members had been discussing in meetings that IESM delegation must meet three the chiefs of armed forces and explain to them problems of veterans so that Armed Force HQs understand our problems and veterans would know the stand of HQs on veterans' issues. Lt Gen Kadyan kept steam rolling this suggestion and refused to meet the three Chiefs. Then, suddenly one day he informed the GB that he had met the CNS. GB members questioned about this visit and asked why did he visit CNS alone? He had no reply and gave flimsy reasons that there was no time to inform any GB member.

Sometimes in April 12 Army HQs informed Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Vice Chairman IESM, that a rally of veterans has been organized in village Palra in Jhajjhar dist on 16 May 12. COAS Gen VK Singh would address the veterans in the rally. The issue was discussed by the GB and a decision was taken that IESM will wholeheartedly only take part in the rally and would ensure a very large gathering for the rally. To the utter surprise of GB, Lt Gen Kadyan vehemently opposed participation of IESM and veterans in the rally. GB members over-ruled (single dissention) his objection and decided that IESM will lend full support to the rally as this rally would bring many- fold advantages to the veterans. Veterans would get a chance to meet COAS and explain their problems first hand and, veterans would get to sort out their pension problems and ECHS problems as Army HQs had arranged all specialists to attend to the problems of veterans, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued opposing IESM participation and even published in newspapers and asked veterans to boycott the rally. Lt Gen Kadyan even gave statements against the then COAS Gen VK Singh that he was using this rally to build up his image. This statement of Lt Gen Kadyan against Gen VK Singh was shocking and to say the least vey shameful. He went a step ahead and threatened GB members that he would not sanction any funds for the rally. It was surprising to hear this from the Chairman. IESM did not spend any funds on this rally. The rally was a huge success and veterans were a happy lot to mingle with the brother soldiers and felt elated. Many veterans could resolve their pension problems as CDA officials were present to provide instant replies. On the day of the rally, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan suddenly decided to attend the rally and insisted that he would speak on behalf of IESM. Army authorities had by then sensed the real intent of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he would use his position and create disturbance in the rally. He was not permit him to speak. Later on it was revealed that intelligence inputs had indicated that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan came to malign the rally and speak against the then COAS Gen VK Singh. It was not difficult to put the two and two together of his real intent. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was well known to speak against Gen VK Singh in every TV interview and used all his vocabulary to speak against Gen VK Singh. He was using his position to make a constituency for himself and make his image on the TV shows.

GB members smelled the rat and advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan to avoid misusing his position but he did not heed to the advice. Even the 'MOA' of IESM clearly lays down that decision in the GB meetings will be taken by 'Majority' view. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued disregarding the majority decision of the GB. Many a times it was pointed out in GB meeting and decision taken by GB was recorded that decision taken by GB would be final and all must abide by the decision. His continuous disregard and willful defiance of GB decisions had started troubling GB members.

IESM announced a grand rally on 1 Dec 2012 and AGM and election to GB on 2 December 12. The rally was attended by more than 5000 veterans from 14 states. Many speakers expressed their views. Vice Chairman spoke about the achievements and future plans of IESM. It was surprising to hear Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan speak against the official thinking of the IESM to the audience. The issues brought out by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan surprised all and brought out the differences in the GB in open. Surprisingly Lt Gen Raj Kadyan did not deem it necessary to discuss the issues with GB members before bringing it out in public glare thus lowering the image of IESM in the eyes of veterans.

Brig OP Marwaha and Col VK Sekhri were requested to conduct the election of IESM GB planned for 2 Dec 12. The team had conducted the previous elections of IESM in 2010 and were regarded very fair in conducting elections. 24 nomination papers were received by the election team (Five for the appointments in GB and 19 for the post of member GB). Election team found mistakes in many forms and approved only 11 nomination forms for the post of member GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan met Chief election Officer and attempted to influence him in favor of four contestants. Chief Election Officer confirmed to him that he would conduct the elections as per rules of Election Commission and prevalent traditions. The results were announced as the approved nomination papers were less than the vacancies in the GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan announced to the audience that he was not in agreement with the elections and he suggested re-elections thus creating disturbance in the meeting. He also once again touched upon the issues which had till then not been discussed in the GB. Lt Gen Kadyan thus once again brought the differences in the GB to the public without even discussing in the GB. Four contestants whose nomination papers were rejected by the Chief Election Officer then sent representation to the Registrar Societies, Haryana Chandigarh. The Registrar Societies had fixed 4 Apr 12 as date of hearing. Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Gen Sec Gp Capt VK Gandhi were respondents in the complaint. Governing Body IESM took a decision that the IESM would be represented by Maj Gen AJB Jaini, Gp Capt VK Gandhi and Cdr SS Ahuja and no other member will attend the hearing on 4 Apr 12 from IESM. This decision was communicated to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan who had not attended the meeting in which this decision was taken. He not only attended the hearing, against the resolution of GB, but also argued in favor of the petitioners. This action on part of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan brought in open his plan to induct some members who would take his side in GB meetings and he would be able to get his views through the GB. This is for the information of veterans that Gov Body had sensed a tilt in favor of Govt in the behavior of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan. GB members were therefore very critical of his suggestions and most of his suggestions were over-ruled with only one vote in favor of his suggestion and rest voting against his opinion. This is probably the reason that Lt Gen Kadyan wanted to fill the GB with his YES men but failed because of mistakes on the part of his men in filling the forms. Director Societies in his order has asked IESM to amend the MOA and increase strength of GB members from present 17 to 21 with a view to accommodate the four complainants. IESM has already formed a committee to amend the MOA and is planning to bring the amendments in the forthcoming AGM.

Lt Gen Kadyan has now called for Emergency General Meeting (EGM) on 28 July 12 without discussing the matter in the GB.   There is no provision in the MOA of the IESM for Chairman to call for an EGM. IESM had already planned the AGM on 20 Oct 12 and is in the process of announcing to the environment. It is therefore difficult to understand the urgency of the EGM when regular AGM has already been planned on 20 Oct unless there is an ulterior motive of forcibly taking over control of GB. It is not difficult to notice the powers working behind this move. IESM has become a thorn in the eyes of Govt because Govt has not done justice with the veterans. This is the only to put brakes on the activities of IESM. Therefore, this meeting has been declared illegal by IESM.

In view of constant defiance of GB decisions by Lt Gen Kadyan, and specially attending the hearing in the office of The Registrar Societies on 4 April 12 totally against the resolution of GB, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was asked in writing on 25 April the reasons for his defiance of GB decision and asked to reply by 1 May 12. He replied that he would send his reply by 7 May 12. His reply was not received by the due date. He was then issued a Show Cause Notice on 15 July and was asked to send his justification latest by 25 July 12. Once again the reply has not been received by the due date. In-spite of coming clean and giving justification of his anti IESM action, he has decided to confront the GB and MOA and has announced an EGM with the help of disgruntled veterans. He is also attempting to create a rift in officers, JCOs and ORs where in-fact there is none. There is one important question which every veteran is asking, "How much veterans have befitted from his friendship with the Defence Minister? The answer probably is that NIL. Pension of widows also could not be increased with his clout.

Governing Body of IESM met on 25 July 12 and deliberated on this situation and came to the conclusion that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan has no justification for his action against the collective will of GB. He has been constantly acting against the majority decision of GB. Because of constant defiance of GB and lowering the image of IESM by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, his primary membership of IESM has been terminated by the GB under the powers vested in GB under clause 7 (d) (vi) of MOA. His primary membership of IESM has been terminated with immediate effect.

This is a very sad decision that primary membership of the erstwhile Chairman had to be terminated because of his constant actions against the majority decisions of the Governing Body and acting against the interest of IESM.

Regards

Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
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