Hello friends SC is supposed to be independant from executive which is under control of UPA. It is the SC which sent the 'marines' to Itally under the pretext of voting which has now turned out to be farcical and legally incorrect. The SC judges who are seeking plum postings after retirement tries to please the executive by all means and the present scenario should be viewed in this perspective. Post retirement assignments for retired personnels from judiciary should be stopped as the only way to keep it independant from corrupt and rotten executive. Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE,INFAM(IndianFarmersMovement)National Trustee. --- On Sun, 17/3/13, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:
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Saturday, March 16, 2013
Re: [IAC#RG] Italian Marines a corruption issue
Re: [IAC#RG] this is a complete LIE
Let us forget whatsoever happen before 1947. Let us correct what has been wrong with us thereafter.
One point is very clear that Nehru's mistakes were our mistakes unless we had opposed at time and played our roll.
Nehru's foreign policy was a blunder, likely due to his whimsical approach and his autocracy as media has not provide due coverage to his opponents like Raj Gopalachari, Morarji Desai, Jai Prakash Narain and Vinoba Bhave.
It could not also be false the it was not Nehru's blunder, it was Nehru's scam. This is because his daughter had dirty hands. A father of dirty hand daughter can not have clean hands, when the father was promoting his daughter in politics.
Nehru should have been removed at least after the defeat of India in war with China.
Greater series of blunders, frauds and scam had been executed by Indira NehruGhandi. The same aforesaid Nehruvians are even now worshiped by the current Nehruvian Congress of India Private limited.
Unfortunate India:
Opponents of Nehruvian Congress are quarreling among themselves as to what is the cause of deterioration of India.
Is it the defeat of Pores with Alexander or Aryan Invasion or Battle of Plasi or British rule of divide or MK Gandhi's recommendation of Nehru as PM or India's Caste system …. Or BJP's failure on Ram Mandir etc… There are groups for each of these points and they are concentrating and breaking their heads.
I am falling under the category of a group which is passing blame on Nehruvian Congress (i.e. the persons who accepted Nehruvians lead Congress or remain sufficiently inactive to raise their voice against Nehruvians).
Any way it is never too late. We have to concentrate only on "ONE POINT PROGRAM" OF "DEFEAT NEHRUVIAN CONGRESS ALONG WITH ITS ALLIES" TO PROSECUTE THEM.
From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; "kumar_8134@yahoo.com" <kumar_8134@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] this is a complete LIE
Mr Sharma, Thank you. Very nicely explained. Whether this will make any difference to our friends or not is another matter. The beauty is that they will never come back and quote chapter and verse in support of their claim but repeat the same story again at an other suitable occasion. That is how the ideologues work.. Devinder
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Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 9:37
Subject: [IAC#RG] this is a complete LIE
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If we circulate with FERVOUR what is proved to be a fake by scholarship, then we loose our patriotic, nationalistic credibility.
Somehow Macaulay is a target of the phenomenal rage of persons from the vernacular system as they feel that the English speakers, spawned by him (Thomas Babington Macaulay) have an undeserved advantage over the mere natives.
Why does Chandra Bhan worship Angreji Devi and use Macaulay's birthday as the day of rebirth and awakening of the Dalits?? Pls think.
I have read Macaulay's biography, as also Hastings and Curzon's and Kipling's. These people knew the strengths and weaknesses of the defeated, oppressed, superstitious, primitive Hindus. They used their wisdom, policy and resources to convert Hindus into the world's greatest resource of Mangers and Software engineers. Hitler emasculated them (brits) in fraternal bloodletting and so the task of sub continental human resource development was left unfinished which then fell into the hands of confused & unformed minds who were later succeeded by depraved criminals. The current crop of criminal rulers, Pawar / Laloo / Mulayam / Karunanidhi / are NOT Macaulay's children. But Thank God, we do have many of them in various positions of authority. That gives us a great civilisational edge in dealing with Ghalib's children across our porous Maginot line.
============================================================Devinderji!!Have you not read the observation of Mac Caulay on India? This was posted so many times in this group. And you say Indians learnt integrity from British Rulers?LORD MC.CAULAY'S ADDRESS TO THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT- 2ND.FEBRUARY,1835"I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief, such wealth I have seen in this Country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this Country, unless we break the very backbone of this Great Nation, which is her Spiritual and Cultural heritage, and therefore I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated Nation"Who looted the Country of all valuables starting from invaluable Kohinoor, Peacock Throne..etc? Looting a Country and stealing, robbing and enslaving people comes under the definition of integrity?Perhaps such a perverted definition of integrity might apply to the present ruling UPA headed by an Italian Mafioso.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Italian Marines a corruption issue
Dear Manmohan ji,
We have many Senior Advocates and advocates in our movement who can better explain such things (privately) in depth.
It is said that the higher judiciary today is excessively corrupt and the highest corruption takes place at the highest levels.
It is only eternal vigilance, (we are after all only barking dogs), is the price for freedom, so we must either bark now or wear a collar of slavery forever
Sarbajit
We have many Senior Advocates and advocates in our movement who can better explain such things (privately) in depth.
It is said that the higher judiciary today is excessively corrupt and the highest corruption takes place at the highest levels.
It is only eternal vigilance, (we are after all only barking dogs), is the price for freedom, so we must either bark now or wear a collar of slavery forever
Sarbajit
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Manmohan Kumar <nrisoldierleague@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit,
I did not quite understand this 'Lastly, the Indian SC has been behaving in a strange way for quite some time now.'
I think, at least, in this matter SC has taken laudable stand.
ManmohanOn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Thakur
"Bharat" is not (yet) a State of Italy.
I am not focusing on the drama taking place in India. The Italians in Jan 2013 had threatened that they would be taking the matter to International Court of Justice. Like in the Bhpoal gas tragedy, a deal was worked out (ie huge bribes have been paid) to get the marines off. All the paper work (like SC undertaking etc) were put in place to delay and confuse matters. It must be remembered that Mr.jHarish Salve comes from an old Congress family of proven loyal to the family.
The Italian marines are not going to return to face trial (unless we force them to return). The recent criminal laws amendments and mood of the Indian nation is worrying them.
Italian Govt has publicly stated that they are now INTERNATIONALLY DISPUTING the return of the marines. If they had tried this with the United States there would have been a fleet of Aircraft carriers raining bombs by now, with or without a declaration of war.
India can do nothing because of the following reasons.
1) No UN Security Council seat and no ally there.
2) We have neglected Russia and allow/ed China to become their biggest client for arms.
All India can do is bluff and bluster. If we have so many nuclear bombs and missiles, now is the time to use a few of them.like North Korea does. Our good friend France will have to choose between Italy or us.. Our new missiles can just about reach Italy with a reduced payload.
Lastly, the Indian SC has been behaving in a strange way for quite some time now. It is useless to expect that anything will emerge - from them unless we FORCE THEM TO ACT.
SarbajitOn Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:Mr Roy.With all due respect, it would be wrong to call the present crisis between the State of Bharat and Italy as a state of war. The Italian government has reneged on a sovereign undertaking given by none other than their Ambassador in India. which the SC accepted in good faith. The failure of the ambassador to produce the two Italian marines as promised would mean that the said ambassador would be, personally, in breach of his solemn undertaking and therefore an act of contempt of court. The august court has already issued orders for the Ambassador not to leave India. and that is where the matter rests at the present time. We should wait for the next step that the SC takes in the matter.The idea of a state of war with Italy is nothing more than a jingoistic nonsense.at the present time. Can you imagine India being in a state of war with a country which is a NATO.ally?Although no doubt, in the event of war, the foreign aliens do become suspects, I can not see how on earth can we declare India born Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi as foreign aliens and Mrs Gandhi by virtue of being the mother of two India born children as well as an MP under Oath of Allegiance without any clear ground(s). Reg. Devinder.Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2013, 17:59
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Italian Marines a corruption issue
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1) If the Govt of Italy does not return its marines on 22.03.2013 and treats it as a bilateral dispute then we are in a state of war, whether formally declared or not.
2) For a person to be treated as an enemy alien, it is not needed for war to be formally declared. Even persons with acquired citizenship are treated as enemy aliens (for eg. the WW-II Japanese Americans in 1942) . India also has a long history of this, in the 1962 war Indian citizens of Chinese origin were treated as enemy aliens and interned. In our wars with Pakistan, Muslims were always viewed with great suspicion (rightly or wrongly is not the issue).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_alien
3) If Italy fails to return the marines, then Ms. Sonia Gandhi's NAC Chairperson position, as an Italian born naturalised Indian who has never publicly clarified if she has formally given up her Italian citizenship / passport, will become quite untenable.
4) IAC has specific information that the marines were going to do the bunk in December itself. But the above mentioned points came in the way. Hence the marines were reluctantly returned to India, Rahul Gandhi was hastily made #2 in the Congress party, some blood money provision was made in the SC to keep the foolish Indian public quiet, and the marines were allowed to slip away again. Sonia herself will slip away for "medical treatment" very soon (and the NAC will be disbanded). At least that is the present plan obtained from IAC''s reliable sources.
SarbajitOn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
With regard to Item G, whatever be the outcome of the case with the Italian government. It would be foolish to suggest that Mrs Gandhi and her family be treated as the enemies of India as they have no direct or indirect involvement in the case. Moreover, as citizens of India they have all the rights and protection in law as any other Indian.subject, .notwithstanding the Italian origin of Mrs S Gandhi and the IAC should bear this in mind. Devinder .From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2013, 16:03
Subject: [IAC#RG] Italian Marines a corruption issue
Dear IAC members
After reading the 100's of emails (especially the unpublished ones) on the subject issue when linked with Smt. Sonia Gandhi's possible dual nationality it is abundantly clear that the consolidated views of the members are as follows:-
A) That IAC should treat the issue in a national way instead of as political issue to score brownie points
B) That it is a matter of grave national concern if the Italian marines were allowed to leave the country with the full knowledge of the Chief Justice of India knowing that they were unlikely to return, and for which a security was taken.
C) That this is another scandal, like the Bhopal Gas settlement, if the Supreme Court, has again facilitated foreign murderers getting away after heavy bribes are paid to the Congress party (and/or its "dual citizenship" President) to allow them to escape. The "blood money" is no substitute for justice.
D) That this sordid episode reeks of JUDICIAL CORRUPTION and it is nothing but a corruption issue considering that the offenders were in India's judicial custody (albeit enjoying extraordinary privileges and 5 star comfort) and the tables have been turned on the Congress led State Government of Kerala which arrested the marines in the first place and had their notional custody. The Chief Justice of India Mr. Altamas Kabir should immediately resign.
E) That the members want IAC to coordinate with all other like minded forces on this issue.
F) That on Sonia Gandhi's dual nationality question IAC should proceed cautiously to ensure that IAC does not end up with egg on its face in case Mrs. Gandhi has actually renounced her Italian citizenship. However, if she has not done so then it is equally a corruption issue which needs to be vigorously pursued.
G) That if no resolution emerges on the Marines issue by 22 March 2013, then irrespective of the subsequent orders of the Court, India should consider itself at being in a state of war with Italy and that naturalised Indians of Italian origin like Ms. Sonia Gandhi and her family be deemed as enemy aliens and treated as such.
H) That Mr. Harish Salve's integrity and honesty is directly in question if he tendered the guarantees on behalf of his client.
Since the views of the members have been aggregated as above, if anyone wishes them to be modified/amended before they are formally adopted please post short and crisp responses/objections/suggestions to this list and we will try and publish as many as possible, otherwise the above points shall be deemed as adopted.
Sarbajit
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[IAC#RG] "Strive for excellence NOT for perfection"
Dear Thakur ji & Balbirji,
Please read the attached mail below. Maj. Chauhan is going viral. I have tried my best to
calm him down but he loves to walk on the wrong side of the road. Is it not our friendly duty
to remind good people to join us in the right side of the road that leads to right destination?
Dr. Kumar Arun
March 16, 2013
All of us are engaged in dicusssion on irrelevant issue without any action plan. Vnc
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
It appears that without understanding the situation or going through the facts or studying thescriptures you are arriving at the conclusions. It is a known fact admitted even by Western scholars that McCauley was responsible for imbibing slavish mentality especially in Hindus through his educational policy and destorting of Hindu scriptures.So also don'tblame Brahmanism; there was or is nothing like Brahmanism.Brahmin was a class created under Vernashram or Sanatana Dharma like other three classes;Vernashram was not created by Brahmins as being propagated just like the theory of Aryan Invasion of India.Now a day it has become a fashion to blame Sanatana Dharma or Brahmanism for every wrong in the society without knowing the correct facts. If you are really interested to know the position, you may read the book "Eastern Religions and the Western thought" by the great Indian philosopher and ex-President of India, late Dr. S, Radhakrishnan. As regards Gen.V.K. Singh's date of birth episode, I have seen the date-wise records when he actually moved to correct the the date of birth.It is a pity that we are spreading such falsehood without knowing the facts as you are doing in case of Brahmanism; only one request and that is don't bring in honesty. |
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From: Sainik Sangh <gs@sainiksangh.org> Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics Date: Friday, 15 March, 2013, 11:39 AM Let's not blame McCaulay or any It is the instinct of taking advantage of the moment for convenience , an eye on profits from any enterprise that a Hindu undertakes that has been his bane down history lane . This greed and lust for wealth is embedded in Hindu lifestyle which makes him soft self indulgent and slippery -courtesy BAHMANISM- OUR CUTOMS, TEMPLE RITUAL S , IDOLS THE SELF THAT IS CENTRIC IN LIFE NOT THE COMMUNITY OR TRIBE, NEITHERT PRINCIPLES . A SIMPLE e.g. A general suddenly realizes he can get another year of prestige and perks and so TAKES U TURN engaging with his DOB abandoning his duty! at what cost? And people at large accept this as a justification? What are the standards and codes of conduct that can distinguish a Hindu as we can many – we would know how German or JAPANESE would react to a situation – not the Hindu unpredictable for this very reason ! Well were McCauley to be in China the Chinese would learn every bit of his language and all that it can give use it to the best advantage of China and Chinese ! Let get out of blame game and do self examination reduce hunger for power and greed . There is much that needs to be done as we ever evaded real solutions which do not come without struggle –not the satygrah style but honest will to change. THANK YOU Chauhan Maj gen From: vasant sardesai [mailto:vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics
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