Hum Janenge: 11/13/11

Saturday, November 19, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Dear sir ,

indeed it appears to be a very good order .

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:19 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sandeep

http://rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SM_C_2011_001237_M_69735.pdf

This is perfectly good order from CIC(SM) and should be emulated by
all other ICs. I don't know why you are upset about it <smile>

Sarbajit

On Nov 20, 6:57 am, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sir,
> I want notice to be issued to PIO for not replying and to ensure the
> rights of the complainants. as first appeal was already filed, the
> commissioner (in my opinion) erred in ordering the
> complainant/appellant to file first appeal again in response to PIO 's
> order (if any). Why should the complainant/appellant send second
> appeal again?
> regards
>

> On 11/19/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Sandeep
>
> > What do you want ?
>
> > 1) Information
> > 2) Penalty against PIO
> > 3) To ensure primacy of section 18 over 19 using Writ process
> > 4) All of the above
>
> > If your answer is 4, I suggest you review your assumptions.
>
> > Sarbajit
>

> > On 11/19/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear All,
> >> I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
> >> against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
> >> complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
> >> respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
> >> intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
> >> appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
> >> was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
> >> This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
> >> I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
> >> filing this writ.
>
> >> --
> >> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> >> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> >> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

sir,
thanks a lot for your critical observations. The fact is that other
ICs are not emulating this order. Only SM is passing this type of
orders. SS/SG/DS/AD have assigned duties to their office staff to copy
paste the orders on the complaints filed. Please see the enclosed
order.
regards
sandeep

On 11/20/11, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sandeep
>
> http://rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SM_C_2011_001237_M_69735.pdf
>
> This is perfectly good order from CIC(SM) and should be emulated by
> all other ICs. I don't know why you are upset about it <smile>
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Nov 20, 6:57 am, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sir,
>> I want notice to be issued to PIO for not replying and to ensure the
>> rights of the complainants. as first appeal was already filed, the
>> commissioner (in my opinion) erred in ordering the
>> complainant/appellant to file first appeal again in response to PIO 's
>> order (if any). Why should the complainant/appellant send second
>> appeal again?
>> regards
>>
>> On 11/19/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Dear Sandeep
>>
>> > What do you want ?
>>
>> > 1) Information
>> > 2) Penalty against PIO
>> > 3) To ensure primacy of section 18 over 19 using Writ process
>> > 4) All of the above
>>
>> > If your answer is 4, I suggest you review your assumptions.
>>
>> > Sarbajit
>>
>> > On 11/19/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
>> >> against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
>> >> complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
>> >> respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
>> >> intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
>> >> appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
>> >> was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
>> >> This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
>> >> I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
>> >> filing this writ.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> >> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> >> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Please refer:

Not penalized

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/blogs/jps50/815-if-pio-faa-not-penalised-ic.html

-J. P. SHAH 9924106490
http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/

From: sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Dear All,
I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
filing this writ.

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

[HumJanenge] Re: help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Dear Sandeep

http://rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SM_C_2011_001237_M_69735.pdf

This is perfectly good order from CIC(SM) and should be emulated by
all other ICs. I don't know why you are upset about it <smile>

Sarbajit

On Nov 20, 6:57 am, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sir,
> I want notice to be issued to PIO for not replying and to ensure the
> rights of the complainants. as first appeal was already filed, the
> commissioner (in my opinion) erred in ordering the
> complainant/appellant to file first appeal again in response to PIO 's
> order (if any). Why should the complainant/appellant send second
> appeal again?
> regards
>
> On 11/19/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Sandeep
>
> > What do you want ?
>
> > 1) Information
> > 2) Penalty against PIO
> > 3) To ensure primacy of section 18 over 19 using Writ process
> > 4) All of the above
>
> > If your answer is 4, I suggest you review your assumptions.
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On 11/19/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear All,
> >> I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
> >> against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
> >> complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
> >> respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
> >> intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
> >> appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
> >> was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
> >> This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
> >> I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
> >> filing this writ.
>
> >> --
> >> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> >> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> >> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

sir,
I want notice to be issued to PIO for not replying and to ensure the
rights of the complainants. as first appeal was already filed, the
commissioner (in my opinion) erred in ordering the
complainant/appellant to file first appeal again in response to PIO 's
order (if any). Why should the complainant/appellant send second
appeal again?
regards

On 11/19/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sandeep
>
> What do you want ?
>
> 1) Information
> 2) Penalty against PIO
> 3) To ensure primacy of section 18 over 19 using Writ process
> 4) All of the above
>
> If your answer is 4, I suggest you review your assumptions.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
> On 11/19/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
>> against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
>> complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
>> respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
>> intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
>> appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
>> was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
>> This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
>> I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
>> filing this writ.
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Dear Sandeep

What do you want ?

1) Information
2) Penalty against PIO
3) To ensure primacy of section 18 over 19 using Writ process
4) All of the above

If your answer is 4, I suggest you review your assumptions.

Sarbajit

On 11/19/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
> I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
> against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
> complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
> respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
> intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
> appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
> was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
> This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
> I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
> filing this writ.
>
> --
> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>

Friday, November 18, 2011

[HumJanenge] help regarding writ against orders of the CIC

Dear All,
I wish to file a writ petition in Punjab and Haryana high court
against a decision in my case in which instead of deciding the
complaint (against no response by PIO), the CIC directed the PIO to
respond to the application (without issuing of penalty notice) with
intimation of details of FAA,. The complainant was asked to file first
appeal against the order of the PIO if not satisfied. The complainant
was asked to file second appeal again if aggrieved by orders of FAA.
This is a violation of section 18 of the RTI act.
I wish that the members of the group may provide legal grounds for
filing this writ.

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181

Fw: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2011, 9:21
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

I like that "Military Contractor" part......

And come to think of it, you were even paid for your time.

Poor chap will lose his sleep, if his name comes to light.

RTIwanted

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>

Dear Arun

BTW and FYI my virus writing and reverse assembling activity was done
as a patriotic Indian using advanced computer resources of a military
contractor.

Sarbajit

Thursday, November 17, 2011

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

I like that "Military Contractor" part......

And come to think of it, you were even paid for your time.

Poor chap will lose his sleep, if his name comes to light.

RTIwanted

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Mr Hari Goyal,

Someone has hacked (gained access to ) your mail account and was asking money in your name, but what if the hacker sends a threatening mail to a CM, or sends a coded message to a banned organization in your name and many more possible criminal activities, while you are totally unaware of the fraud . Please do not take this, as an act of prankster. Immediately change your password (without a clue to earlier one) , talk to your computer wizard friends for any other steps you have to take, and I also suggest, please do report to Cyber Crimes section of Police, and they have the means to identify from which computer the fraud was committed and the geographic location of the computer used .
All the best.

M.V.Ramana Murthy

On 16 November 2011 20:47, Hari Goyal <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Friends, my mail has been hacked. I received a number of phone calls from my relatives and contacts on this subject.

Please simply ignore it. I am very much in Delhi.

Hari Goyal

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to
> enable me to complete my activities here.
> I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union
> Money Transfer or money gram with this information.
> Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal
> Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,
> SW7 5JA
> Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as
> you have made the transfer
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Dr Hari Dev Goyal
> Indian Economic Service (R)

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

No comments Mr. Roy...I wish for your achievement Govt. of India will definitely award you "Bharat Ratna".
Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:02:43
To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Arun

It is due to my advanced research, for example in 1984 I showed how a
polymorphic self encrypting virus would work (along with the source
code), that the Billion dollar Anti Virus Industry came about. In
contrast the Pakis came out with their "brainy" virus (a real joke
virus) only in 1986. From 1983 till 1987 most of the non-Govt virii
were based on my source code / kits.

BTW and FYI my virus writing and reverse assembling activity was done
as a patriotic Indian using advanced computer resources of a military
contractor.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your logic is like I must be proud that an Indian (Dawood) made it to the list of
> 10 most wanted international terrorist / criminals
> compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
>
> I must be proud that Harshad Mehta has made a scam before any Pakistanis did and I should
> be proud that an Indian placed his research freely into the
> public domain (primitive as it was then) for others to
> build upon and Ketan Parekh had best utilised it.
>
> Mr. Roy I'm proud that one of the 10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals is giving lectures about social reforms, anti corruption, transparency in public works and what not.
>
> Really Mera Bharat Mahan....
> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:55
> To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently
>
> Dear Arun
>
> You should be proud that an Indian developed a working and widely
> distributed computer virus 2 years before the Pakistanis. You should
> be proud that an Indian placed his virus research freely into the
> public domain over internet (primitive as it was then) for others to
> build upon. You should be proud that an Indian made it to the list of
> 10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals
> compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
> Instead yuou want me to be put behind bars.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:05 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Roy who utilized his skills to develop viruses (a hacker infact) has
>> become a so called messiah to criticize others in the guise of freedom of
>> speech ...this man (Sarbjit Roy) should have been behind bars.
>>
>> CS Arun Dash
>> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
>> ________________________________
>> From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
>> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:52 -0800 (PST)
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>> ReplyTo: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
>> urgently
>> Mr Shashi Kumar,
>> Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us
>> ?
>> Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first
>> Computer Virus !
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy
>>
>> That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other
>> thieves.
>>
>> RTIwanted
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
>> urgently
>>
>> Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to
>> prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of
>> this group , please en-light us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Arun

It is due to my advanced research, for example in 1984 I showed how a
polymorphic self encrypting virus would work (along with the source
code), that the Billion dollar Anti Virus Industry came about. In
contrast the Pakis came out with their "brainy" virus (a real joke
virus) only in 1986. From 1983 till 1987 most of the non-Govt virii
were based on my source code / kits.

BTW and FYI my virus writing and reverse assembling activity was done
as a patriotic Indian using advanced computer resources of a military
contractor.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your logic is like I must be proud that an Indian (Dawood) made it to the list of
> 10 most wanted international terrorist / criminals
> compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
>
> I must be proud that Harshad Mehta has made a scam before any Pakistanis did and I should
> be proud that an Indian placed his research freely into the
> public domain (primitive as it was then) for others to
> build upon and Ketan Parekh had best utilised it.
>
> Mr. Roy I'm proud that one of the 10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals is giving lectures about social reforms, anti corruption, transparency in public works and what not.
>
> Really Mera Bharat Mahan....
> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:55
> To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently
>
> Dear Arun
>
> You should be proud that an Indian developed a working and widely
> distributed computer virus 2 years before the Pakistanis. You should
> be proud that an Indian placed his virus research freely into the
> public domain over internet (primitive as it was then) for others to
> build upon. You should be proud that an Indian made it to the list of
> 10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals
> compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
> Instead yuou want me to be put behind bars.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:05 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Roy who utilized his skills to develop viruses (a hacker infact) has
>> become a so called messiah to criticize others in the guise of freedom of
>> speech ...this man (Sarbjit Roy) should have been behind bars.
>>
>> CS Arun Dash
>> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
>> ________________________________
>> From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
>> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:52 -0800 (PST)
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>> ReplyTo: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
>> urgently
>> Mr Shashi Kumar,
>> Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us
>> ?
>> Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first
>> Computer Virus !
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy
>>
>> That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other
>> thieves.
>>
>> RTIwanted
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
>> urgently
>>
>> Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to
>> prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of
>> this group , please en-light us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Your logic is like I must be proud that an Indian (Dawood) made it to the list of
10 most wanted international terrorist / criminals
compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.

I must be proud that Harshad Mehta has made a scam before any Pakistanis did and I should
be proud that an Indian placed his research freely into the
public domain (primitive as it was then) for others to
build upon and Ketan Parekh had best utilised it.

Mr. Roy I'm proud that one of the 10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals is giving lectures about social reforms, anti corruption, transparency in public works and what not.

Really Mera Bharat Mahan....
Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:55
To: <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Arun

You should be proud that an Indian developed a working and widely
distributed computer virus 2 years before the Pakistanis. You should
be proud that an Indian placed his virus research freely into the
public domain over internet (primitive as it was then) for others to
build upon. You should be proud that an Indian made it to the list of
10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals
compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
Instead yuou want me to be put behind bars.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:05 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr. Roy who utilized his skills to develop viruses (a hacker infact) has
> become a so called messiah to criticize others in the guise of freedom of
> speech ...this man (Sarbjit Roy) should have been behind bars.
>
> CS Arun Dash
> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
> ________________________________
> From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:52 -0800 (PST)
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
> ReplyTo: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
> urgently
> Mr Shashi Kumar,
> Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us
> ?
> Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first
> Computer Virus !
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy
>
> That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other
> thieves.
>
> RTIwanted
>
> ________________________________
> From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
> urgently
>
> Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to
> prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of
> this group , please en-light us
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Arun

You should be proud that an Indian developed a working and widely
distributed computer virus 2 years before the Pakistanis. You should
be proud that an Indian placed his virus research freely into the
public domain over internet (primitive as it was then) for others to
build upon. You should be proud that an Indian made it to the list of
10 most wanted international computer hackers / cyber criminals
compiled by a very prestigious policing / investigative agency.
Instead yuou want me to be put behind bars.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:05 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr. Roy who utilized his skills to develop viruses (a hacker infact) has
> become a so called messiah to criticize others in the guise of freedom of
> speech ...this man (Sarbjit Roy) should have been behind bars.
>
> CS Arun Dash
> Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
> ________________________________
> From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
> Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:52 -0800 (PST)
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
> ReplyTo: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
> urgently
> Mr Shashi Kumar,
> Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us
> ?
> Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first
> Computer Virus !
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy
>
> That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other
> thieves.
>
> RTIwanted
>
> ________________________________
> From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money
> urgently
>
> Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to
> prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of
> this group , please en-light us
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Good ! I had mails from many of my contacts in e.mail and I did receive quite a number of them seeking monitory help. It baffled me in the beginning, but caqught on to the game later on.
JP.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to
> enable me to complete my activities here.
> I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union
> Money Transfer or money gram with this information.
> Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal
> Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,
> SW7 5JA
> Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as
> you have made the transfer
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Dr Hari Dev Goyal
> Indian Economic Service (R)

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: Swiss bank to Indian government

Dear Mr Krishna

As a former officer of the Indian Audit Services surely you be be able to spot such obviously "fraudie" missives and not circulate it to the members unless you have some hidden agenda or axe to grind.

In passing I may mention that it is the failure / corruption / complicity of the auditors which are responsible for virtually every scam we are seeing today. Your own experience in BHEL would bear my opinion out

Sarbajit

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Dhirendra Krishna <dhirendra.krishna@yahoo.com> wrote:

Friends,

I have no way of checking the authenticity of the "letter" from Swiss Bank and the possibility of its being a forged document cannot be ruled out.

Concerned authority should verify from the bank and issue clarification, as scanned copy of this "letter" has been sent as email to me. There are also (unverified) allegations from various quarters that Swiss Bank has sent details of Indian accounts to the Government of India.

I had only brought the letter to the notice of Members, to generate awareness about such allegations, which should be refuted by the Government after ascertaining the authenticity of letter from Bank.

Dhirendra Krishna

--- In rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com, "Anil Laul" <anillaul@...> wrote:
>
> Correction
>
> I couldn't agree more with you
>
> This is fraud with mischievous intent
>
> The English which reads "If we do not get a clear details" would have read
> as "if we do not get clear details"
>
> The next fraud is in the word "Impede". The correct word is IMPOUNDED and
> surely the Swiss bank knows more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from the desk of
> anil laul
> c.e.o & principal architect
> anangpur building centre
> (the ABC of holistic human settlement design)
> faridabad, haryana - 121003 (india)
> telefax: +91-129-2512364
> mobile: +91-98100-59691
> email: <mailto:anillaul@...> anillaul@...,
> <mailto:anillaul@...> anillaul@...
> URL: <http://www.anangpur.com> http://www.anangpur.com

> Skype ID: anillaul
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anil Laul
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:22 PM
> To: 'The Milli Gazette | Editor'; 'Krishna Dhirendra'
> Cc: rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] Swiss bank to Indian government
>
>
>
>
>
> I couldn't agree more with you
>
> This is fraud with mischievous intent
>
> The English should have read "If we do not get a clear details" would have
> read as "if we do not get clear details"
>
> The next fraud is in the word "Impede". The correct word is IMPOUNDED and
> surely the Swiss bank knows more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from the desk of
> anil laul
> c.e.o & principal architect
> anangpur building centre
> (the ABC of holistic human settlement design)
> faridabad, haryana - 121003 (india)
> telefax: +91-129-2512364
> mobile: +91-98100-59691
> email: anillaul@..., anillaul@...
> URL: http://www.anangpur.com
> Skype ID: anillaul
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Milli Gazette |
> Editor
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:34 PM
> To: Krishna Dhirendra
> Cc: rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Swiss bank to Indian government
>
>
>
> Shame on you. This is a plain forgery. No one outside the Subcontinent uses
> "lakh" and "crore" and no one uses the sign /- as a mark for the end of the
> figure.
> Dr Khan
> Editor, The Milli Gazette
> New Delhi
>
> On 16/11/2011 12:32 PM, Krishna Dhirendra wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

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[rti4empowerment] Fw: please transfer this money urgently

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011, 14:51
Subject: please transfer this money urgently

I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to enable me to complete my activities here.

I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union

Money Transfer or money gram with this information.

Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal

Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,

SW7 5JA

Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as you have made the transfer

Best regards,

Dr Hari Dev Goyal

Indian Economic Service (R)

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Mr. Roy who utilized his skills to develop viruses (a hacker infact) has become a so called messiah to criticize others in the guise of freedom of speech ...this man (Sarbjit Roy) should have been behind bars.

CS Arun Dash

Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone

From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>

Sender: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:05:52 -0800 (PST)

To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>

ReplyTo: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Mr Shashi Kumar,

Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us ?

Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first Computer Virus !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy

That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other thieves.

RTIwanted

From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of this group , please en-light us

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Mr Shashi Kumar,

Now what have you ended up in doing and WHOM are you asking to enlighten us ?

Mr Sarbajit is a bad-boy of the 80's who himself wrote India's first Computer Virus !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy

That is just like asking a thief as to how to protect yourself from other thieves.

RTIwanted

Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of this group , please en-light us

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Mr. Roy you are expert you are an expert in electrical engineering , how to prevent hacking and what are the precautions to be taken by the members of this group , please en-light us

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com> wrote:

As a prudent measure I am sure you have already changed your pass-word - to protect from hacking, it is advisible to keep changing pass-world periodically and try to make it unique.

From: Hari Goyal <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Cc: RTI Activist Hari Goyal <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Friends, my mail has been hacked. I received a number of phone calls from my relatives and contacts on this subject.

Please simply ignore it. I am very much in Delhi.

Hari Goyal

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to
> enable me to complete my activities here.
> I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union
> Money Transfer or money gram with this information.
> Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal
> Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,
> SW7 5JA
> Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as
> you have made the transfer
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Dr Hari Dev Goyal
> Indian Economic Service (R)

Re: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

As a prudent measure I am sure you have already changed your pass-word - to protect from hacking, it is advisible to keep changing pass-world periodically and try to make it unique.

From: Hari Goyal <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Cc: RTI Activist Hari Goyal <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Friends, my mail has been hacked. I received a number of phone calls from my relatives and contacts on this subject.

Please simply ignore it. I am very much in Delhi.

Hari Goyal

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to
> enable me to complete my activities here.
> I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union
> Money Transfer or money gram with this information.
> Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal
> Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,
> SW7 5JA
> Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as
> you have made the transfer
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Dr Hari Dev Goyal
> Indian Economic Service (R)

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Friends, my mail has been hacked. I received a number of phone calls from my relatives and contacts on this subject.

Please simply ignore it. I am very much in Delhi.

Hari Goyal

[rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] Re: please send this money urgently

Friends, my mail has been hacked. I received a number of phone calls from my relatives and contacts on this subject.

Please simply ignore it. I am very much in Delhi.

Hari Goyal

Re: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Yes, his email has been hacked and he is in Delhi, spoke to him over phone just now.

Pl. do not take any cognisance of the mail demanding money.

M K Gupta

[rti4empowerment] Re: [HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Yes, his email has been hacked and he is in Delhi, spoke to him over phone just now.

Pl. do not take any cognisance of the mail demanding money.

M K Gupta

[HumJanenge] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in london. And urgently in need of your help, please send me £ 4860 to
> enable me to complete my activities here.
> I will refund you as soon as I return. Send it through Western Union
> Money Transfer or money gram with this information.
> Receiver :Hari Dev Goyal
> Location: 38 - 33 Queens Gate, London,
> SW7 5JA
> Please remember to mail me the money transfer control number mtcn as soon as
> you have made the transfer
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Dr Hari Dev Goyal
> Indian Economic Service (R)

[rti4empowerment] SCAM WARNING: Re: please send this money urgently

Dear Members

It seems Mr Hari Goyal's email ID has been hacked.

Please do not send any money (YES, we do have some gullibe people on
our mailing lists) for such fake appeals,

Sarbajit.

Tuesday, November 15, 2011

[HumJanenge] PILs can't be based solely on RTI information: SC

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PILs-cant-be-based-solely-on-RTI-information-SC/articleshow/10733986.cms

NEW DELHI: Information obtained under Right To Information Act is
increasingly becoming the basis of public interest petitions seeking
judicial redress of grievances. The Supreme Court on Monday
disapproved of this modus operandi and said from now, it would not
entertain PILs solely based on RTI information.

"Petitioners banking on information obtained through RTI Act must
approach the concerned ministry, bring the facts to its notice and
demand justice. If the ministry does not reply, it is a different
matter. But a person must demand notice from the authorities first
before approaching the courts," a bench of Chief Justice S H Kapadia
and Justice Swatanter Kumar said.

Counsel V Joglekar, appearing for petitioner All India Road Network
Users Association, said over 300 RTI applications were filed and the
information showed lack of intent and drive on the part of transport
authorities across the country to enforce safety fitments in vehicles.
Absence of such fitments had led to numerous fatal accidents in the
rainy season, it said and pleaded for enforcement of norms specified
under the Motor Vehicles Act.

But the bench was unrelenting in its stand that every petitioner must
first give a comprehensive representation about his grievance to the
authorities and demand justice. Only when the authorities or
ministries fail to address the representation can a person move the
court, it said.

"It is not fair that everyone should approach the court after
obtaining information under RTI without giving notice to the concerned
authorities," it said.

All India Road Network Users Association, through counsel Manish
Pitale, said it had sought information from transport commissioners
across the country about enforcement of provisions relating to proper
fittings in cars, buses, trucks and other heavy vehicles to minimize
accidents arising from poor visibility during the monsoon season.

It said the central legislation relating to motor vehicles specified
norms relating to rear view mirror, mud flaps and reflectors for
various categories of automobiles. But because of poor implementation,
running of vehicles on rainy days caused heavy cloud of water
particles, which obstructed the vision of drivers and led to fatal
accidents.

The bench clarified that it was not undermining the importance of the
PIL but insisted that the petitioners must approach the government
first before moving courts. It allowed withdrawal of the PIL as the
counsel said the association would make a proper representation before
the ministry concerned.

dhananjay.mahapatra@timesgroup.com

Re: [HumJanenge] HOW TRUE OF INDIA !!

Dear Mr Sarabjit,

Yes pl, send me as attachment to my mail id.

Regards

Arun Srivastava

--- On Mon, 14/11/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] HOW TRUE OF INDIA !!
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, 14 November, 2011, 9:27 AM

Mr Sarbajit,

Thanks for this !

RTIwanted

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>

I am attaching a PDF of the e-book (over 1000 pages) to this post in
case anyone else wants to read it.

Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] HOW TRUE OF INDIA !!

Dont knw why whenever one thinks of really worst scenario what comes to mind is respectable mr sharad pawar and party. The last we saw of his tribe was sule mourning the deaths of tiny infants due lack of basic primary facilities.

Less than half the money as we understand of aadhar wld make our people stand on their own feet instead of looking for dole.

Regards.
i hve jst not been able 2 read this book though hve read the other one with architect as a protagonist.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:27 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr Sarbajit,

Thanks for this !

RTIwanted

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>

I am attaching a PDF of the e-book (over 1000 pages) to this post in
case anyone else wants to read it.

Sarbajit

Monday, November 14, 2011

[HumJanenge] Citizens Right to Grievance Redress Draft Bill 2011- Some actionable anomalies

Citizens Right to Grievance Redress Draft Bill 2011- Some actionable anomalies

It is a welcome move on the part of the Centre to float the Citizens Right to Grievance Redress Draft Bill 2011 in the public domain (http://darpg.gov.in/MarqueeHtmFile.aspx?CatId=40) w.e.f. 2^nd Nov for the purpose of inviting public opinion receivable by 23^rd Nov 2011. The first reaction of many a reader to the official notice is that considering its critical significance for millions of common people on one hand and for the entire bureaucracy of the Centre and States on the other, the time-limit set for the public response is too short and needs to be suitably extended so as to enable the interested persons to send in their informed views to the Government.

First of all, one needs to acknowledge the merits of the central draft bill vis-à-vis the kindred laws enacted by various States like MP, Bihar, Delhi, Punjab and Uttarakhand. While the State Acts limit their applicability to a few services shortlisted in the Schedules appended thereto, the Central Draft Bill in its Section-4 proposes to cover the entire gamut of goods and services, as would be specified in the Citizens' Charter by each public authority from Panchayat to PMO across the country. Then, unlike the State Acts, each of which applies to the shortlisted public authorities functioning under their respective domains, the Central draft bill, going by its definition of 'Appropriate Government' in Section-2(b) would bind all the Governments- Centre, States and UTs- to implement the law. Thirdly, though the State Acts are purported to tackle both negligence and corruption hindering the time bound service-delivery processes, none of them offers any definite mechanism as to how to handle the factor of corruption, whereas the Central draft bill in Section 9(1-d) enjoins upon the Grievance Redress Officer to ascertain first of all as to which category the grievance falls under, 'willful negligence' or a prima facie case of corruption covered under Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988, and thereon to report accordingly to the Head of the Department 'with a recommendation for the penalty to be imposed'. Another merit of the draft bill is the exclusion of the service matters of 'public servants' from the purview of the complaint vide Section 2(f), otherwise their complaints would consume away lion's share of the limited resources of the grievance-redress machinery, as has been sadly noticed in case of RTI Act. Given such wholesome nuances of the Central draft bill, we have now a veritable possibility of installing a single and uniform system for the whole country to ensure time-bound delivery of all manner of public goods and services to each eligible person free of hassles or corruption. This is precisely what Anna Hazare has been demanding since the start of his campaign for Jan Lokpal Bill, and Team Anna should therefore ponder over as to whether this Central draft bill, first of its kind in response to his campaign, should be taken seriously and debated across the country with a view to refashioning it as foolproof as possible.

However, as the maxim goes, all that glitters is not gold. The Central draft bill has also loopholes, several and serious, without plugging of which the draft bill on its enactment in its current avatar might prove counter-productive from a people's perspective. To start with, the very nomenclature of the bill using the word 'citizen' coupled with its Section-3 seem potential grounds for abuse by some States to deprive a bulk of population of their rights guaranteed under it. Echoing Section-3 of RTI Act 2005, the Section-3 of draft bill states, "Subject to the provisions of this Act, every individual citizen shall have the right to time bound delivery of goods and provision for services and redressal of grievances". The question arises, given such a stipulation in the draft bill, can a Cooperative, SHG, NGO, Professional Association, Educational Institution and some such collective entity, which are not 'individual citizens' per se avail their rights to time-bound delivery of public services and grievance redressal? Not at all. The next lurking danger of retaining the word 'citizen' in the draft bill is the likelihood of its abuse by the dubiously motivated States like Odisha which, for instance, compels an RTI applicant to provide a 'proof of citizenship' in the shape of Voter Card or Passport to be attached the application and thereby deprives at one go multitude of young Indians below 18 years of age who are non-voters and may not be possessing a Passport. In view of all this, the limiting expression 'citizen' may be replaced by an inclusive one i.e 'Person', which, as is well known, means not only a biological person, but also any association of persons as per Section-11 of IPC 1860.

Doubtless, in order that a law proves effective in delivering the intended results, every jargon used therein should be defined in clear and unambiguous terms leaving no space for equivocation through multiple interpretations. However, the draft bill suffers from serious anomalies on this count. For instance, quite rightly and in tune with Section 18 (3) of RTI Act, the Section 11 (3) of the draft bill vests certain powers of a civil court to the concerned 'Head of the Department of Public Authority' to enable it to exercise its functions as an appellate authority. But strangely enough, its next provision i.e Section 11(4) takes a contradictory position saying that the HoD "shall not be bound by the procedure laid down in the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908 but shall be guided by the principles of natural justice". The expression 'natural justice' being a too loaded and plastic one, the HoD using its cover might act arbitrarily and whimsically caring a fig for any standard operating procedures. Moreover, the above mentioned Section 11(4) allows the discretion to the HoD 'to regulate its own procedure', which would doubtless result in endless proliferation of appeal procedures often conflicting with each other and consequently becoming incomprehensible and inaccessible to the common people.

Stipulating a timeframe for each designated authority to discharge its obligation is a sine qua non for a good law aiming at governance reform. On a close scrutiny the draft bill also suffers from conspicuous deficit on this front. While it's Section 9(1-a) provides for a timeframe of 15 days within which the concerned Grievance Redress Officer shall remedy a grievance and Section 11 (5) for a timeframe of 30 days for the next appellate authority i.e. HoD, there is no timeframe provided for the decision of an appeal made before Public Grievance Redressal Commission instituted at Central or State level (vide Sections 22 and 28). Similarly, no time-limit has been prescribed for the completion of investigation into a complaint around misbehavior or incapacity against a Commissioner at Central or State level or for action to be taken by the President or Governor as the case may be against the concerned Commissioner on the grounds of corruption or moral turpitude etc. (vide Sections 37 and 20). It is worth noting that RTI Act 2005 for all its pro-citizen features lacked in providing for time-limit in respect of these crucial matters, on account of which we notice today a huge backlog of pending cases before the Information Commissions along with a dillydallying approach of the President or Governor, as the case may be, in taking disciplinary action against the Information Commissioners complained against.

The draft bill has given a miss to another critical provision, that is, compensation to the aggrieved complainant on account of the loss or detriment he might have suffered owing to the failure of concerned public authority in ensuring time bound delivery of goods or services covered under the Citizens Charter. In fact, RTI Act 2005 in its Section 19 (8-b) enjoined upon the Information Commissioners to order such compensation in appropriate cases, and that is one of the underlying reasons for which this Act is a huge success all over. Should a similar provision make its way into the Draft Bill on Citizens Right to Grievance Redress, it would by one stroke render the latter into a far more pro-people instrument than what it is now.

(Chitta Behera, 4A Jubilee Tower, Choudhury Bazar, Cuttack-9, Mobile: 9437577546, Dt 15.11.2011 )