Re: [IAC#RG] How can 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs be avenged without violating some law or using forces

How should 45 Hindustanis killed by this jihadist be avenged ?

a) Get rid of Ajit Doval and his parallel networks which are fully infiltrated by Islamic elements and compromising Army humint.

b Leave it to the affected forces.

c) Ab tak Chhappan ( 56:1 ratio)

d) Don't politicise what you do. Run silent run deep.

e) Dabaake maaro

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 2:12 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

UPDATE:

I am happy to inform our members that after widespread public doubts on social media and TV channels like NDTV about "0" casualties in the air strike, our Goi is "leaking" that the actual location where we struck was at Arabkhan (Manshera), about 3.5 km south of Village Jaba (Balakot) where Pakistan took reporters of Reuters, Al-Jazeera etc for disinformation to Mamata Banerjee, Arvind Kejriwal and Pappu, and credible evidence indicates Masood Azhar himself has been either killed or is badly wounded.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:45 PM Vidyut <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not a pacifist and can be happily blood-thirsty if the occasion demands it. However, I think we are mistaken in seeing Kashmir as one such subject.

Regardless of Pakistan's support or JEM, it is important to understand that the suicide bomber was a Kashmiri. All the support in the world can't make someone give up their life unless they think it is futile to begin with.

THIS is the crux of the Kashmir problem. One I am disappointed that a country with a freedom struggle so close in her past is unable to recognize.

We cannot invite love with slaps. If you were to court someone to marry you, you wouldn't kick them and ask them to tell you they love you or else. Yet this is what we seem to be doing over and over with Kashmir. There is an entire generation come to adulthood who see armed violence as NORMAL. They don't even have an experience of what it is like to never have seen a gun up close - which is the reality of most Indians not in security careers outside Kashmir.

We are so fast to take outrage if someone insults our parents or lays a hand on our sister. For them this is normal. Even without abuse, they can be searched on whim. They have no autonomy over their own body. Pause to think of this a bit.

Suicides are high. A suicide bombing is just one way of doing it. A lashing out.

Violent choices must be seen in this context. We have contributed to a world where this is NORMAL for them. The only difference is whether they obey another or do as they wish. School kids are throwing angry stones at forces. The same forces that come to their rescue in avalanches. More than hate, this is the frustration of living in a cage. Of being poked by random strangers on whim. Of being impotent to protect your loved ones, from "protectors" or random violence.

What we need to "avenge" the dead CRPF jawans is to defeat this. Not defeat suicidal kids, but defeat what makes them suicidal.

This government is all about a land grab. It HATES Kashmiris, but wants the land. This government is not going to be able to do it. But governments change. A country endures. We, as citizens too have tremendous power to include and love. The day we feel angry when a Kashmiri teenager who can't go out because of curfew is also denied 4G, that teenager feels like we understand his hardship. We may not be in Kashmir, but we have voices and we can speak up for them. We can care. We can feel the same outrage over blinded kids that we do over bombed soldiers. Because both of them are ours.

Even calls for Azadi can be defeated if they want to be a part of India. Where they feel included in our identity. Have we even done that that we blame them and hate them for feeling isolated and lashing out in the few ways they can?

And we can stop being so freaking pliant and question lapses. Propaganda can't create security. Secure protocols, oversight, good equipment, addressing problems, funding, accountability, training, recruitments, support for jawans suffering PTSD.... all that is needed. We can avenge the dead CRPF jawans by ensuring that unnecessary threats to their lives are defeated.

And sure, if as a part of proper security we have information about Pakistan and terror groups, we address that too. Not with hate, but firmness. To protect Kashmir and Kashmiris, not to strangle them.

V

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Re: [IAC#RG] How can 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs be avenged without violating some law or using forces

UPDATE:

I am happy to inform our members that after widespread public doubts on social media and TV channels like NDTV about "0" casualties in the air strike, our Goi is "leaking" that the actual location where we struck was at Arabkhan (Manshera), about 3.5 km south of Village Jaba (Balakot) where Pakistan took reporters of Reuters, Al-Jazeera etc for disinformation to Mamata Banerjee, Arvind Kejriwal and Pappu, and credible evidence indicates Masood Azhar himself has been either killed or is badly wounded.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:45 PM Vidyut <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not a pacifist and can be happily blood-thirsty if the occasion demands it. However, I think we are mistaken in seeing Kashmir as one such subject.

Regardless of Pakistan's support or JEM, it is important to understand that the suicide bomber was a Kashmiri. All the support in the world can't make someone give up their life unless they think it is futile to begin with.

THIS is the crux of the Kashmir problem. One I am disappointed that a country with a freedom struggle so close in her past is unable to recognize.

We cannot invite love with slaps. If you were to court someone to marry you, you wouldn't kick them and ask them to tell you they love you or else. Yet this is what we seem to be doing over and over with Kashmir. There is an entire generation come to adulthood who see armed violence as NORMAL. They don't even have an experience of what it is like to never have seen a gun up close - which is the reality of most Indians not in security careers outside Kashmir.

We are so fast to take outrage if someone insults our parents or lays a hand on our sister. For them this is normal. Even without abuse, they can be searched on whim. They have no autonomy over their own body. Pause to think of this a bit.

Suicides are high. A suicide bombing is just one way of doing it. A lashing out.

Violent choices must be seen in this context. We have contributed to a world where this is NORMAL for them. The only difference is whether they obey another or do as they wish. School kids are throwing angry stones at forces. The same forces that come to their rescue in avalanches. More than hate, this is the frustration of living in a cage. Of being poked by random strangers on whim. Of being impotent to protect your loved ones, from "protectors" or random violence.

What we need to "avenge" the dead CRPF jawans is to defeat this. Not defeat suicidal kids, but defeat what makes them suicidal.

This government is all about a land grab. It HATES Kashmiris, but wants the land. This government is not going to be able to do it. But governments change. A country endures. We, as citizens too have tremendous power to include and love. The day we feel angry when a Kashmiri teenager who can't go out because of curfew is also denied 4G, that teenager feels like we understand his hardship. We may not be in Kashmir, but we have voices and we can speak up for them. We can care. We can feel the same outrage over blinded kids that we do over bombed soldiers. Because both of them are ours.

Even calls for Azadi can be defeated if they want to be a part of India. Where they feel included in our identity. Have we even done that that we blame them and hate them for feeling isolated and lashing out in the few ways they can?

And we can stop being so freaking pliant and question lapses. Propaganda can't create security. Secure protocols, oversight, good equipment, addressing problems, funding, accountability, training, recruitments, support for jawans suffering PTSD.... all that is needed. We can avenge the dead CRPF jawans by ensuring that unnecessary threats to their lives are defeated.

And sure, if as a part of proper security we have information about Pakistan and terror groups, we address that too. Not with hate, but firmness. To protect Kashmir and Kashmiris, not to strangle them.

V

Re: [IAC#RG] IAF trapped between coordinated "political" compulsions of PMs Modi and Imran Khan

Sir

Actually, I had the info on 27.02.2019 from my own sources, and the
same day I formally complained to MoD which they kindly acknowledged
on 28.02.2019 through the Additional Secretary assuring me they would
look into it soon if there were indeed any breaches of international
law.

Notwithstanding the DISINFORMATION, the fact remains that both
Airforces launched sophisticated pre-programmed missiles in standoff
(ie. from far away) from within their own claimed territories to
demonstrate their "non-military (ie.NUCLEAR)" precision targeting
capabilities to each other..

So although the statement by IAF that they achieved their operational
mandate is technically correct, the fact remains that the MEA has lied
through their teeth at their first press briefing.

Questions are now also sure to be raised if India should consider
purchasing F-16s to be made in Hyderabad (using a junked manufacturing
line from Israel in a deal where Ratan Tata reprises Anil Ambanis role
in Rafale) when they can be so easily knocked out by our "flying
coffins".

There is also the new issue of highly credible evidence emerging that
the "trigger incident" (Phulwama, or something similar to it) for
these "standoffs / pilot exercises" had been planned from Oct 2017
onwards.

Finally, Sir, all these wars and elections freebie gimmicks are
costing us a great deal of money. The revenue deficit has already
exceeded 126.9% of this year's target, with no hope of it being made
up in this fiscal.

Sarbajit

On 3/2/19, ravindra malhotra <rnmalhotra_in@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As far as views of media in USA is concerned, please have a look at New York
> Times of 1st and 2nd March. It has mentioned a few things similar to that
> pointed out by Sarbajit Roy.
> R.N.Malhotra
>
>

Re: [IAC#RG] How can 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs be avenged without violating some law or using forces

I am not a pacifist and can be happily blood-thirsty if the occasion demands it. However, I think we are mistaken in seeing Kashmir as one such subject.

Regardless of Pakistan's support or JEM, it is important to understand that the suicide bomber was a Kashmiri. All the support in the world can't make someone give up their life unless they think it is futile to begin with.

THIS is the crux of the Kashmir problem. One I am disappointed that a country with a freedom struggle so close in her past is unable to recognize.

We cannot invite love with slaps. If you were to court someone to marry you, you wouldn't kick them and ask them to tell you they love you or else. Yet this is what we seem to be doing over and over with Kashmir. There is an entire generation come to adulthood who see armed violence as NORMAL. They don't even have an experience of what it is like to never have seen a gun up close - which is the reality of most Indians not in security careers outside Kashmir.

We are so fast to take outrage if someone insults our parents or lays a hand on our sister. For them this is normal. Even without abuse, they can be searched on whim. They have no autonomy over their own body. Pause to think of this a bit.

Suicides are high. A suicide bombing is just one way of doing it. A lashing out.

Violent choices must be seen in this context. We have contributed to a world where this is NORMAL for them. The only difference is whether they obey another or do as they wish. School kids are throwing angry stones at forces. The same forces that come to their rescue in avalanches. More than hate, this is the frustration of living in a cage. Of being poked by random strangers on whim. Of being impotent to protect your loved ones, from "protectors" or random violence.

What we need to "avenge" the dead CRPF jawans is to defeat this. Not defeat suicidal kids, but defeat what makes them suicidal.

This government is all about a land grab. It HATES Kashmiris, but wants the land. This government is not going to be able to do it. But governments change. A country endures. We, as citizens too have tremendous power to include and love. The day we feel angry when a Kashmiri teenager who can't go out because of curfew is also denied 4G, that teenager feels like we understand his hardship. We may not be in Kashmir, but we have voices and we can speak up for them. We can care. We can feel the same outrage over blinded kids that we do over bombed soldiers. Because both of them are ours.

Even calls for Azadi can be defeated if they want to be a part of India. Where they feel included in our identity. Have we even done that that we blame them and hate them for feeling isolated and lashing out in the few ways they can?

And we can stop being so freaking pliant and question lapses. Propaganda can't create security. Secure protocols, oversight, good equipment, addressing problems, funding, accountability, training, recruitments, support for jawans suffering PTSD.... all that is needed. We can avenge the dead CRPF jawans by ensuring that unnecessary threats to their lives are defeated.

And sure, if as a part of proper security we have information about Pakistan and terror groups, we address that too. Not with hate, but firmness. To protect Kashmir and Kashmiris, not to strangle them.

V

Re: [IAC#RG] IAF trapped between coordinated "political" compulsions of PMs Modi and Imran Khan

As far as views of media in USA is concerned, please have a look at New York Times of 1st and 2nd March. It has mentioned a few things similar to that pointed out by Sarbajit Roy.

R.N.Malhotra

On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 8:01:41 PM GMT+5:30, SURESHAN P <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

At Global level India is now enjoying a place which was not the case earlier. Whether IAF achieved it is so called objective or not , the fact now emerging is that , except Trkey, not a single notable world power is pointing any finger against India. Even when USA entered into the airspace of Pakistan for capturing Osma , Killing was condemned by the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Taliban. Iran. Now, even countries standing at different corners  are having very good diplomatic ties with India. After all Pakistan's isolation from Muslim co-operative countries is not a small thing. So my point is only one thing that, due to diplomatic effort from the present central government Our country got recognition and appreciation at International level . This is something very positive achievement made all sort of difference with the relationship with Pakisthan. For that matter, this team of government is entitled to get another five years term. This strong feeling is being created among the minds of nationalist.            

P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India,  

Office
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On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:17 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Now that the facts about the so-called Surgical Strike 2.0 are coming in from INDEPENDENT sources it is clear (a) why the IAF is so silent and (b) why fuzzy fake clips of downed Pakistan F-16 jets are being broadcast all across Modi's in-house TV channels.

The Indian Airforce knows very well they had no basis in internatinal law for what they allegedly did on 26 February 2019 at Balakot if it was done without Pakistan's consent. ie., if even 1 Paksitan civilian had died that day all the IAF Pilots involved were liable under international law and Pakistan could have moved the UN or ICJ to demand they be handed over for trial under Pakistan law.

Since neither the "hot pursuit" maritime doctrine nor the "exercising right of self defence in face of imminent danger" arguments wash in this particular instance (the existence of this JeM "terror resort" has been known since 2005 and 12 days had elapsed after Phulwamma), the IAF were instead only directed to lay out a circle of light bombs OUTSIDE the JeM's hilltop Madrassa, with the full advance knowledge of Pakistan.

PROOF: (satellite images and analysis etc. by the Australain Strategic Policy Institute)

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/

" ... it appears plausible that India's strikes in Pakistan were designed primarily to placate a domestic audience while simultaneously limiting escalation by not targeting built-up areas and causing substantial casualties. India's upcoming election placed significant pressure on Prime Minister Narendra Modi to act in retaliation for the Pulwama attack. "

Secondly, the SPICE 2000 ammunition kit used has a standoff delivery range of 60 km for penetration warheads, so this theory of IAF's 80 km flying deep into Pakistan to deliver the load, and the PAF driving them off, is sheer irresponsible reporting on part of Indian media and their talking head circus. The craters seen on ground appear inconsistent with warhead specifications claimed.

Moving on,

Let us firstly CONGRATULATE the IAF and Ms. Seetharaman for achieving their STRATEGIC and TACTICAL non-military objectives (ie. the war to win the 2019 elections for this Govt) without loss of civilian (or even non-state actor) life.

We also congratulate Ms. Nirmala Seethraman and the IAF for their silent restraint in not posting DISINFORMATION from their Twitter accounts from Feb 25th onwards, unlike her irresponsible Cabiet colleagues and the BJP's war-mongering in-house TV channels like Times Now and Republic TV etc. We further salute the IAF's representive at the MEA's presser for his studied and deliberate silence and refusal to answer media questions on the Balakot raid.

All the sober international news agencies and military researchers have dismissed the MEA's fanciful claims of eliminating JEM terror installations. Satellite photos, before and after, show that our bombs were (a) not very powerful and (b) formed a near perfect semi-circular arc on the side of the hill where this Madrasa stands inconsistent with the Circular Error of the claimed munitions.

In these circumstances, perhaps the most competent and eloquent PM we have ever had after Lal Bahadur Shastriji, ie. Shri Modi, should stop behaving like his predecessors, and demonstrate what other IAF pilot training exercises he has in mind for Pakistan.

As far as IAC, HRA and entre Hindu Samaj is concerned, 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs still need to be avenged by our Government, WITH PROOF, instead of such propaganda posturings on both sides of LoC.

Sarbajit Roy

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[IAC#RG] How can 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs be avenged without violating some law or using forces

Sir

As Mathur Sir suggests, we can try do a SWOT analysis to answer your query.

But before we can commence any war to achieve "Akhand Hindustan", we must ANALYSE if we are prepared to lock down the 5th columnists and quislings among us and discipline our citizens for the sacrifices required of them, for even small things like eschewing social media and satellite TV daily soaps or all the divisive Western jingoisms and "Jerry Springer" style daily news circuses on the TV screens and social media, and so on, eg..

1. Govt must be prepared to ban all private and foreign news channels for the duration of the "war"

2. Govt must be able to block all foreign controlled messaging apps like Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, Twitter and so on, even if this means virtually shutting down the internet here and causing JIO to go bankrupt.. Fake news websites should be also blocked.

3. Our industrialists must be prepared to lose significant infrastructure assets, eg. Reliance's entire petrochemical installations bordering Pakistan. Citizens must be prepared for massive Pakistani cyber attacks on our economy, stock markets, banking systems and so on,. As citizens we must be prepared to face ratioining and shortages of oil, gas, electricity etc

4 The exams, for eg. CBSE exams,which have just started may need to be suspended

5. The elections should be postponed and a national emergency declared for 6 months with , Presidents rule and a free hand given to our armed forces with AFSPA imposed throughout India.

However, Sir you know as well as we do that this is never going to happen under this present govt, and as a nation we are completely unprepared for any REAL war on our doorsteps the likes of which residents of Kashmir face daily.. Lastly, we should be prepared for dealing with hundreds of civilian bodybags / coffins for each day.

God is on our side so Victory is assured.

JAI HIND

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From: <redacated>
Date: Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAF trapped between coordinated "political" compulsions of PMs Modi and Imran Khan
To: <sroy.mb@gmail.com>

Pl advise how  45 HINDUSTANI martyrs can be avenged by our Government without violating some law and without using IAF, Army etc.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:17 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Now that the facts about the so-called Surgical Strike 2.0 are coming in from INDEPENDENT sources it is clear (a) why the IAF is so silent and (b) why fuzzy fake clips of downed Pakistan F-16 jets are being broadcast all across Modi's in-house TV channels.

The Indian Airforce knows very well they had no basis in internatinal law for what they allegedly did on 26 February 2019 at Balakot if it was done without Pakistan's consent. ie., if even 1 Paksitan civilian had died that day all the IAF Pilots involved were liable under international law and Pakistan could have moved the UN or ICJ to demand they be handed over for trial under Pakistan law.

Re: [IAC#RG] IAF trapped between coordinated "political" compulsions of PMs Modi and Imran Khan

At Global level India is now enjoying a place which was not the case earlier. Whether IAF achieved it is so called objective or not , the fact now emerging is that , except Trkey, not a single notable world power is pointing any finger against India. Even when USA entered into the airspace of Pakistan for capturing Osma , Killing was condemned by the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Taliban. Iran. Now, even countries standing at different corners  are having very good diplomatic ties with India. After all Pakistan's isolation from Muslim co-operative countries is not a small thing. So my point is only one thing that, due to diplomatic effort from the present central government Our country got recognition and appreciation at International level . This is something very positive achievement made all sort of difference with the relationship with Pakisthan. For that matter, this team of government is entitled to get another five years term. This strong feeling is being created among the minds of nationalist.            

P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India,  

Office
No.2/3A Basement , Surmela House,Jangpura-A, Near Rama Tent House, Bhogal Hospital  Raod,  New Delhi - Pin -110014 Landline Number 011-2437 1060 mobile : 9818083219,7838598740,9911839968, ( call time -strictly 4 P.M to 8 P.M on all working days)

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:17 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Now that the facts about the so-called Surgical Strike 2.0 are coming in from INDEPENDENT sources it is clear (a) why the IAF is so silent and (b) why fuzzy fake clips of downed Pakistan F-16 jets are being broadcast all across Modi's in-house TV channels.

The Indian Airforce knows very well they had no basis in internatinal law for what they allegedly did on 26 February 2019 at Balakot if it was done without Pakistan's consent. ie., if even 1 Paksitan civilian had died that day all the IAF Pilots involved were liable under international law and Pakistan could have moved the UN or ICJ to demand they be handed over for trial under Pakistan law.

Since neither the "hot pursuit" maritime doctrine nor the "exercising right of self defence in face of imminent danger" arguments wash in this particular instance (the existence of this JeM "terror resort" has been known since 2005 and 12 days had elapsed after Phulwamma), the IAF were instead only directed to lay out a circle of light bombs OUTSIDE the JeM's hilltop Madrassa, with the full advance knowledge of Pakistan.

PROOF: (satellite images and analysis etc. by the Australain Strategic Policy Institute)

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/

" ... it appears plausible that India's strikes in Pakistan were designed primarily to placate a domestic audience while simultaneously limiting escalation by not targeting built-up areas and causing substantial casualties. India's upcoming election placed significant pressure on Prime Minister Narendra Modi to act in retaliation for the Pulwama attack. "

Secondly, the SPICE 2000 ammunition kit used has a standoff delivery range of 60 km for penetration warheads, so this theory of IAF's 80 km flying deep into Pakistan to deliver the load, and the PAF driving them off, is sheer irresponsible reporting on part of Indian media and their talking head circus. The craters seen on ground appear inconsistent with warhead specifications claimed.

Moving on,

Let us firstly CONGRATULATE the IAF and Ms. Seetharaman for achieving their STRATEGIC and TACTICAL non-military objectives (ie. the war to win the 2019 elections for this Govt) without loss of civilian (or even non-state actor) life.

We also congratulate Ms. Nirmala Seethraman and the IAF for their silent restraint in not posting DISINFORMATION from their Twitter accounts from Feb 25th onwards, unlike her irresponsible Cabiet colleagues and the BJP's war-mongering in-house TV channels like Times Now and Republic TV etc. We further salute the IAF's representive at the MEA's presser for his studied and deliberate silence and refusal to answer media questions on the Balakot raid.

All the sober international news agencies and military researchers have dismissed the MEA's fanciful claims of eliminating JEM terror installations. Satellite photos, before and after, show that our bombs were (a) not very powerful and (b) formed a near perfect semi-circular arc on the side of the hill where this Madrasa stands inconsistent with the Circular Error of the claimed munitions.

In these circumstances, perhaps the most competent and eloquent PM we have ever had after Lal Bahadur Shastriji, ie. Shri Modi, should stop behaving like his predecessors, and demonstrate what other IAF pilot training exercises he has in mind for Pakistan.

As far as IAC, HRA and entre Hindu Samaj is concerned, 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs still need to be avenged by our Government, WITH PROOF, instead of such propaganda posturings on both sides of LoC.

Sarbajit Roy

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Re: [IAC#RG] A corrupt mouse who roars

Dear Adv. Sureshan

Leave it to Moderators. We know that there are many people with different ideologies, views and political inclinations on this list.

In case of Mr. Ramani we knew that he was a UAE based small cog of Amit Shah &Co.'s demonetisation racket which, with advance knowledge, was "legally" importing huge quantities of gold into India in 2016 which would later be used as stock by jewellers to exchange old notes into gold after 8 Nov 2016.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190302102754/https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/gold-bars-sale-ramani-av/

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:22 PM SURESHAN P <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

A Valid point is now raised by  Col Rajan , I also feels the need of self introduction from the participants . Rest leave to the moderators . 

Regards  

P. Sureshan,
Advocate-on-record, Supreme Court Of India,  

Office
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On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:15 PM Sandeep gupta <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear  Colonel Rajan Srinivas,

Your leaving the group because of non-sense posted by some of the fellows is not a solution to the issue . It will only serve the purpose of the ones who think their using of abusive and intimidating language can stop others from airing their legitimate views. 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:07 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

To:

Colonel Rajan Srinivas

Respected Sir

Pranam

We apologise for the harassment and abuse a few trolling subscribers to this list are indulging in OFF-LIST against such respected officers like yourself and Dalvi ji etc.

I can assure you that we take all steps possible to mainatin sober, reasoned and evidenced discussion on our forum, and we filter out enough nonsense posted everyday to maintain a high Signal to Noise ratio on our NON-PARTISAN and APOLITICAL forum.

Yes, a few "moles" do occassionaly slip through our moderation, but such incidents only serve to expose how deep the divisive elements have infiltrated our national system/s to spread their poisons.

Seeking your blessings and continued participation

Sarbajit Roy

A list Moderator

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:58 PM Colonelrajan Srinivas <colonelrajan@gmail.com> wrote:

To,

The Administrator of indiaresists@lists.riseup.net,

 

Esteemed Administrator,

Jai Hind.

I thought the indiaresists Group comprises intelligent & mature individuals who would argue and debate on points highlighting the pluses (advantages / achievements) and negatives (disadvantages / failures) of a system or Govt. or an individual like the PM or any political figure of the ruling dispensation or of the Opposition. 

In a Group all Members enjoy the freedom to put out their views in a cogent manner without any malice or rancour. The Group is a platform for carrying out mature & informed debate; and NOT for hurling abuses and invectives.

In the interest of the Group, I would suggest that all Members introduce themselves as to their background & present occupation; and I would request the Administrator to spell out the aims & objectives of the Group; and lay down a Code of Conduct for Members of the Group.

Seeing outbursts of the kind from Shri AV Ramani, I do not wish to continue as a Member of the Group; and hence I request that my Name & email ID be deleted from the Group. 

With best regards,

Col Rajan

Bangalore, 9449043770

PS: Time permitting; Members may go through the attached Brief regarding self

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 23:00, AV Ramani <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

SARBAJI U BDY BTARD SCOUNDREL. IF U CAN BLAME MODI AND VAJPAYEE U R THE TERRIST SUPPORTER AND SCOUNDREL

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:32 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

In Sept 2016 I had opined to this forum as follows:-

"It is crystal clear that the Government of India will engage in a war, limited or unlimited, with Pakistan in the near future- and certainly within Mr. Modi's present term"

I had clearly explained then the massive corruption in BJP's secretive version of Rafale deal.

It is of course a great tragedy that the safety of India is the hands of this present govt of maniacal geriatrics, half of whom in the Cabinet enjoy borrowed lives, and whose previous PM, a notoriously "celibate" alcoholic, ie. Shri Vajpayee, had famously declared while in his cups "I will tolerate destruction of half of Hindustan but shall wipe out Pakistan" or suchlike.

It is of course an even bigger tragedy that there is absolutely no credible and articulate opposition left in the country except perhaps this Muslim lady Ms. Mehbooba Mufti, a former CM of J&K, and perhaps she could even be our next PM someday if this jingoism continues.

On the question of remarks against Shri Ajit Doval by a ld. forum member, and which some other esteemed members of our forum have objected to, sufficeth it to say that whereas no doubt Mr. Modi has no money making / profiteering children or other relatves that we at IAC know of, the accusations and allegations of scandalous lobbying and wheeling dealing activities of Mr. Doval's foreign citizenship children (which are now also the subject of a defamation suit/s and so in public domain), ie. the new "D-company" are a public slap on Mr. Modi's honest face.

As patient and tolerant Hindus, and Hindustanis, we are watching the unfolding situation carefully, to see what action Shri Modi takes next.

Sarbajit Roy

for Hindu Samaj of India (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj)

NB: Hindu Samaj (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj) is the oldest Hindu organization in India (formed in 1849 at Kolkata) to define Hindutva (Hindu way of life), remove corruption and moral degeneration in Hinduism, and achieve complete independence for Hindus culminating in a Hindu nation.

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Re: [IAC#RG] A corrupt mouse who roars

A Valid point is now raised by  Col Rajan , I also feels the need of self introduction from the participants . Rest leave to the moderators . 

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On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:15 PM Sandeep gupta <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear  Colonel Rajan Srinivas,

Your leaving the group because of non-sense posted by some of the fellows is not a solution to the issue . It will only serve the purpose of the ones who think their using of abusive and intimidating language can stop others from airing their legitimate views. 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:07 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

To:

Colonel Rajan Srinivas

Respected Sir

Pranam

We apologise for the harassment and abuse a few trolling subscribers to this list are indulging in OFF-LIST against such respected officers like yourself and Dalvi ji etc.

I can assure you that we take all steps possible to mainatin sober, reasoned and evidenced discussion on our forum, and we filter out enough nonsense posted everyday to maintain a high Signal to Noise ratio on our NON-PARTISAN and APOLITICAL forum.

Yes, a few "moles" do occassionaly slip through our moderation, but such incidents only serve to expose how deep the divisive elements have infiltrated our national system/s to spread their poisons.

Seeking your blessings and continued participation

Sarbajit Roy

A list Moderator

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:58 PM Colonelrajan Srinivas <colonelrajan@gmail.com> wrote:

To,

The Administrator of indiaresists@lists.riseup.net,

 

Esteemed Administrator,

Jai Hind.

I thought the indiaresists Group comprises intelligent & mature individuals who would argue and debate on points highlighting the pluses (advantages / achievements) and negatives (disadvantages / failures) of a system or Govt. or an individual like the PM or any political figure of the ruling dispensation or of the Opposition. 

In a Group all Members enjoy the freedom to put out their views in a cogent manner without any malice or rancour. The Group is a platform for carrying out mature & informed debate; and NOT for hurling abuses and invectives.

In the interest of the Group, I would suggest that all Members introduce themselves as to their background & present occupation; and I would request the Administrator to spell out the aims & objectives of the Group; and lay down a Code of Conduct for Members of the Group.

Seeing outbursts of the kind from Shri AV Ramani, I do not wish to continue as a Member of the Group; and hence I request that my Name & email ID be deleted from the Group. 

With best regards,

Col Rajan

Bangalore, 9449043770

PS: Time permitting; Members may go through the attached Brief regarding self

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 23:00, AV Ramani <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

SARBAJI U BDY BTARD SCOUNDREL. IF U CAN BLAME MODI AND VAJPAYEE U R THE TERRIST SUPPORTER AND SCOUNDREL

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:32 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

In Sept 2016 I had opined to this forum as follows:-

"It is crystal clear that the Government of India will engage in a war, limited or unlimited, with Pakistan in the near future- and certainly within Mr. Modi's present term"

I had clearly explained then the massive corruption in BJP's secretive version of Rafale deal.

It is of course a great tragedy that the safety of India is the hands of this present govt of maniacal geriatrics, half of whom in the Cabinet enjoy borrowed lives, and whose previous PM, a notoriously "celibate" alcoholic, ie. Shri Vajpayee, had famously declared while in his cups "I will tolerate destruction of half of Hindustan but shall wipe out Pakistan" or suchlike.

It is of course an even bigger tragedy that there is absolutely no credible and articulate opposition left in the country except perhaps this Muslim lady Ms. Mehbooba Mufti, a former CM of J&K, and perhaps she could even be our next PM someday if this jingoism continues.

On the question of remarks against Shri Ajit Doval by a ld. forum member, and which some other esteemed members of our forum have objected to, sufficeth it to say that whereas no doubt Mr. Modi has no money making / profiteering children or other relatves that we at IAC know of, the accusations and allegations of scandalous lobbying and wheeling dealing activities of Mr. Doval's foreign citizenship children (which are now also the subject of a defamation suit/s and so in public domain), ie. the new "D-company" are a public slap on Mr. Modi's honest face.

As patient and tolerant Hindus, and Hindustanis, we are watching the unfolding situation carefully, to see what action Shri Modi takes next.

Sarbajit Roy

for Hindu Samaj of India (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj)

NB: Hindu Samaj (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj) is the oldest Hindu organization in India (formed in 1849 at Kolkata) to define Hindutva (Hindu way of life), remove corruption and moral degeneration in Hinduism, and achieve complete independence for Hindus culminating in a Hindu nation.

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[IAC#RG] IAF trapped between coordinated "political" compulsions of PMs Modi and Imran Khan

Now that the facts about the so-called Surgical Strike 2.0 are coming in from INDEPENDENT sources it is clear (a) why the IAF is so silent and (b) why fuzzy fake clips of downed Pakistan F-16 jets are being broadcast all across Modi's in-house TV channels.

The Indian Airforce knows very well they had no basis in internatinal law for what they allegedly did on 26 February 2019 at Balakot if it was done without Pakistan's consent. ie., if even 1 Paksitan civilian had died that day all the IAF Pilots involved were liable under international law and Pakistan could have moved the UN or ICJ to demand they be handed over for trial under Pakistan law.

Since neither the "hot pursuit" maritime doctrine nor the "exercising right of self defence in face of imminent danger" arguments wash in this particular instance (the existence of this JeM "terror resort" has been known since 2005 and 12 days had elapsed after Phulwamma), the IAF were instead only directed to lay out a circle of light bombs OUTSIDE the JeM's hilltop Madrassa, with the full advance knowledge of Pakistan.

PROOF: (satellite images and analysis etc. by the Australain Strategic Policy Institute)

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/

" ... it appears plausible that India's strikes in Pakistan were designed primarily to placate a domestic audience while simultaneously limiting escalation by not targeting built-up areas and causing substantial casualties. India's upcoming election placed significant pressure on Prime Minister Narendra Modi to act in retaliation for the Pulwama attack. "

Secondly, the SPICE 2000 ammunition kit used has a standoff delivery range of 60 km for penetration warheads, so this theory of IAF's 80 km flying deep into Pakistan to deliver the load, and the PAF driving them off, is sheer irresponsible reporting on part of Indian media and their talking head circus. The craters seen on ground appear inconsistent with warhead specifications claimed.

Moving on,

Let us firstly CONGRATULATE the IAF and Ms. Seetharaman for achieving their STRATEGIC and TACTICAL non-military objectives (ie. the war to win the 2019 elections for this Govt) without loss of civilian (or even non-state actor) life.

We also congratulate Ms. Nirmala Seethraman and the IAF for their silent restraint in not posting DISINFORMATION from their Twitter accounts from Feb 25th onwards, unlike her irresponsible Cabiet colleagues and the BJP's war-mongering in-house TV channels like Times Now and Republic TV etc. We further salute the IAF's representive at the MEA's presser for his studied and deliberate silence and refusal to answer media questions on the Balakot raid.

All the sober international news agencies and military researchers have dismissed the MEA's fanciful claims of eliminating JEM terror installations. Satellite photos, before and after, show that our bombs were (a) not very powerful and (b) formed a near perfect semi-circular arc on the side of the hill where this Madrasa stands inconsistent with the Circular Error of the claimed munitions.

In these circumstances, perhaps the most competent and eloquent PM we have ever had after Lal Bahadur Shastriji, ie. Shri Modi, should stop behaving like his predecessors, and demonstrate what other IAF pilot training exercises he has in mind for Pakistan.

As far as IAC, HRA and entre Hindu Samaj is concerned, 45 HINDUSTANI martyrs still need to be avenged by our Government, WITH PROOF, instead of such propaganda posturings on both sides of LoC.

Sarbajit Roy

Re: [IAC#RG] A corrupt mouse who roars

Dear  Colonel Rajan Srinivas,

Your leaving the group because of non-sense posted by some of the fellows is not a solution to the issue . It will only serve the purpose of the ones who think their using of abusive and intimidating language can stop others from airing their legitimate views. 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:07 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

To:

Colonel Rajan Srinivas

Respected Sir

Pranam

We apologise for the harassment and abuse a few trolling subscribers to this list are indulging in OFF-LIST against such respected officers like yourself and Dalvi ji etc.

I can assure you that we take all steps possible to mainatin sober, reasoned and evidenced discussion on our forum, and we filter out enough nonsense posted everyday to maintain a high Signal to Noise ratio on our NON-PARTISAN and APOLITICAL forum.

Yes, a few "moles" do occassionaly slip through our moderation, but such incidents only serve to expose how deep the divisive elements have infiltrated our national system/s to spread their poisons.

Seeking your blessings and continued participation

Sarbajit Roy

A list Moderator

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:58 PM Colonelrajan Srinivas <colonelrajan@gmail.com> wrote:

To,

The Administrator of indiaresists@lists.riseup.net,

 

Esteemed Administrator,

Jai Hind.

I thought the indiaresists Group comprises intelligent & mature individuals who would argue and debate on points highlighting the pluses (advantages / achievements) and negatives (disadvantages / failures) of a system or Govt. or an individual like the PM or any political figure of the ruling dispensation or of the Opposition. 

In a Group all Members enjoy the freedom to put out their views in a cogent manner without any malice or rancour. The Group is a platform for carrying out mature & informed debate; and NOT for hurling abuses and invectives.

In the interest of the Group, I would suggest that all Members introduce themselves as to their background & present occupation; and I would request the Administrator to spell out the aims & objectives of the Group; and lay down a Code of Conduct for Members of the Group.

Seeing outbursts of the kind from Shri AV Ramani, I do not wish to continue as a Member of the Group; and hence I request that my Name & email ID be deleted from the Group. 

With best regards,

Col Rajan

Bangalore, 9449043770

PS: Time permitting; Members may go through the attached Brief regarding self

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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 23:00, AV Ramani <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

SARBAJI U BDY BTARD SCOUNDREL. IF U CAN BLAME MODI AND VAJPAYEE U R THE TERRIST SUPPORTER AND SCOUNDREL

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:32 PM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

In Sept 2016 I had opined to this forum as follows:-

"It is crystal clear that the Government of India will engage in a war, limited or unlimited, with Pakistan in the near future- and certainly within Mr. Modi's present term"

I had clearly explained then the massive corruption in BJP's secretive version of Rafale deal.

It is of course a great tragedy that the safety of India is the hands of this present govt of maniacal geriatrics, half of whom in the Cabinet enjoy borrowed lives, and whose previous PM, a notoriously "celibate" alcoholic, ie. Shri Vajpayee, had famously declared while in his cups "I will tolerate destruction of half of Hindustan but shall wipe out Pakistan" or suchlike.

It is of course an even bigger tragedy that there is absolutely no credible and articulate opposition left in the country except perhaps this Muslim lady Ms. Mehbooba Mufti, a former CM of J&K, and perhaps she could even be our next PM someday if this jingoism continues.

On the question of remarks against Shri Ajit Doval by a ld. forum member, and which some other esteemed members of our forum have objected to, sufficeth it to say that whereas no doubt Mr. Modi has no money making / profiteering children or other relatves that we at IAC know of, the accusations and allegations of scandalous lobbying and wheeling dealing activities of Mr. Doval's foreign citizenship children (which are now also the subject of a defamation suit/s and so in public domain), ie. the new "D-company" are a public slap on Mr. Modi's honest face.

As patient and tolerant Hindus, and Hindustanis, we are watching the unfolding situation carefully, to see what action Shri Modi takes next.

Sarbajit Roy

for Hindu Samaj of India (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj)

NB: Hindu Samaj (Bharatvarshiya Hindu Samaj) is the oldest Hindu organization in India (formed in 1849 at Kolkata) to define Hindutva (Hindu way of life), remove corruption and moral degeneration in Hinduism, and achieve complete independence for Hindus culminating in a Hindu nation.

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