Re: [HumJanenge] corruption

Dear Mr Shantharam

Thanks for your suggestion

1) Our existing software platform at googlegroups is hitherto FREE and STABLE.

2) The procedure to unsubscribe from any googlegroup is EASY and TRANSPARENT.

3) The procedure to unsubscribe from mailing lists which FORWARD
emails from Humjanenge is equally EASY and TRANSPARENT.

4) The "flood of emails" did not take place through the mailing lists
but resulted from neo-LITERATE people who were madly CC'ing each other
on their Blackberry phones and marking copies to the list for
distribution..

5) The "flood of emails" was due to TOO MUCH UNMODERATED FREE SPEECH.
Regretfully the list moderators have had to place the list in
"moderated" mode. This also results in time lag between messages
being posted and their being distributed.

6) Kindly dont bother yourself with such matters. The group moderators
are technical people well versed in these things and who can cope with
the occasional storm in a teacup..

Sarbajit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbajit_Roy

On 3/18/12, Shantharam Shenai <vagshantharamshenai@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Humjanenge,
>
> A suggestion is proposed from a technically experienced person.
>
> A domain name can be created in a country which respects free speech, while
> website can be made & controlled from India.
>
> The website can have information in an easy to use manner on how to get
> emails & unsubscribe from them.
>
> Records can be automatically created for the activity, necessary when there
> are strange accusations hurled.
>
> Also any software 'failure' during up gradation will not send out bulk
> mails.
>
> Please be aware that any software can be hacked hence alertness is needed
> to freeze the site and repair it.
>
> All computer and internet related hardware and software is in permanent
> evolution, never perfected.
>
> If interested, I can find out how to make my suggestion possible but will
> be unable to participate in any way, being pre occupied with my own work
> and situations.
>
> Thanking you,
>
> Shantharam Umanath Shenai
>
> http://india.ashoka.org/fellow/shantharam-umanath-shenai
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> DEAR FELLOW LIST MODERATORS
>>
>> Please don't approve messages like this for distribution to the group.
>>
>> Firstly, this is some NGO who want publicity for themselves.
>> Secondly, it is CC'ed to over 200 people (Cross-Posted), first among
>> them being Dr.Leo Rebello.
>> Thirdly, the post contains defamatory statements and allegations
>>
>> It is signed by some self-styled "President and Chief Executive" ????
>>
>> Please keep our group Rules in mind while approving posts. As HJ is
>> going to be officially circulated over NIC-NET to over 20,000 NIC
>> emails IDs from April, we have to be very careful about the quality of
>> messages going out in this group's name.
>>
>> Sarbajit.
>>
>> On 3/17/12, RTI Movement <rim.chennai@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *RIGHT TO INFORMATION MOVEMENT*
>> >
>> > 16 Kubera Munusamy Street, Nanganallur, Chennai 600061.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sir/Ma'am.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We are a non-funded NGO that fights corruption tooth and nail. We are a
>> > five year old organisation based in Chennai, Tamil Nadu India, but we
>> have
>> > been covering a good number of government departments both state and
>> > central spanning the length and breadth of the country.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We were instrumental in the arrest of four scientists of SAMEER few
>> > moths
>> > back for their fraudulent activities. This was done with the help of
>> > RTI.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Now we have been fighting the Tamil Nadu Government's Cooperation
>> > department which is pregnant with deep rooted corruption and
>> mismanagement.
>> > Thanks to RTI, we could gather much vital information to prove
>> > corruption
>> > and misdeeds in the organisation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Repeated petitions to the Registrar of Cooperative Societies, the
>> Principal
>> > Secretary to the Government, the Cooperation Minister and the Chief
>> > Minister failed to evoke any response.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A copy of the petition sent to the Principal Secretary to the Government
>> > and the Chief Minister is attached for kind perusal.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, the Cooperation Minister is keeping along with him a corrupt
>> > person
>> > named Mr Kandasuvaamy to deal with money matters.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 24.5.2011 we filed a RTI petition with the Public Information Officer
>> at
>> > the office of the Tamil Nadu Cooperation Minister seeking to know
>> > whether
>> > he had appointed one Mr. V Kandasuvaamy as his personal staff.
>> >
>> > A reply was received on 4.7.2011 that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy was not his
>> > personal staff.
>> >
>> > In the meantime Mr. V Kandasuvaamy retired as Director in the Tamil Nadu
>> > Cooperative Union on 30.6.2011 and now, he is not employed anywhere.
>> >
>> > From the day he retired, he is seen with the Cooperation Minister. Now,
>> we
>> > have come to know that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy accompanies the Cooperation
>> > Minister wherever he goes on official visit – whether inspection of
>> > cooperatives or raids.
>> >
>> > The proof is the picture published in the Kootturavuu magazine published
>> by
>> > the Tamil Nadu Cooperative Union.
>> >
>> > Though the Minister's office denied that Mr. Kandasuvaamy was the
>> > Minister's personal staff, the picture released in the magazine
>> > categorically states that the Minister's office had lied in its reply.
>> >
>> > We have also sent a complaint to the Chief Minister in this regard; but
>> no
>> > action has been taken so far on our petition.
>> >
>> > A mighty force, you are, we call upon your support in achieving our goal
>> –
>> > root out corruption.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We shall be very grateful if you could send an email or letter to the
>> > officials concerned seeking immediate action on our petition. The email
>> > addresses are appended below.
>> >
>> > *Co-operation, Food and Consumer Protection Department:*
>> >
>> > *coopsec@tn.gov.in*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We once again thank you for your support.
>> >
>> >
>> > John Lopez
>> > President & Chief Executive
>> > *Right to Information Movement*,
>> > 16, Kubera Munusamy Street, Chennai 600 061
>> > Phone: +91 94444 84 517 || +91 90 4242 7390
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Shantharam Shenai,
> 505 Malwani Amardeep C.H.S.L.,
> Plot 60 Mhada Malwani,
> Malad West,
> Mumbai 400 095
>
> Mobile: +91 *93241 56273
> *
>
> www.greencrosssociety.com
>

[HumJanenge] Re: corruption

Dear John Lopez,

Please establish how the Mr. Kandaswamy violated the code of conduct
of service rules by joining political party or political person.

Then I may be in a position to guide you in this matter.

--
Anand S.
Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum
Bangalore 560 085.
Cell No. +91-87928-91066

Re: [HumJanenge] corruption

The PM is an avid follower of this group's messages,
Its the only entertainment the poor chap gets.

Sarbajit

On 3/17/12, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 20,000 NIC users to read messages in this group !
> You want the Govt to stop working ?
> Now the PM will state that HJ is banned from NIC domain.
>
> RTIwanted
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> Please keep our group Rules in mind while approving posts. As HJ is
> going to be officially circulated over NIC-NET to over 20,000 NIC
> emails IDs from April, we have to be very careful about the quality of
> messages going out in this group's name.
>
> Sarbajit.

Re: [HumJanenge] corruption

20,000 NIC users to read messages in this group !

You want the Govt to stop working ?

Now the PM will state that HJ is banned from NIC domain. 

RTIwanted

---

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Please keep our group Rules in mind while approving posts. As HJ is
going to be officially circulated over NIC-NET to over 20,000 NIC
emails IDs from April, we have to be very careful about the quality of
messages going out in this group's name.

Sarbajit.

Re: [HumJanenge] corruption

DEAR FELLOW LIST MODERATORS

Please don't approve messages like this for distribution to the group.

Firstly, this is some NGO who want publicity for themselves.
Secondly, it is CC'ed to over 200 people (Cross-Posted), first among
them being Dr.Leo Rebello.
Thirdly, the post contains defamatory statements and allegations

It is signed by some self-styled "President and Chief Executive" ????

Please keep our group Rules in mind while approving posts. As HJ is
going to be officially circulated over NIC-NET to over 20,000 NIC
emails IDs from April, we have to be very careful about the quality of
messages going out in this group's name.

Sarbajit.

On 3/17/12, RTI Movement <rim.chennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> *RIGHT TO INFORMATION MOVEMENT*
>
> 16 Kubera Munusamy Street, Nanganallur, Chennai 600061.
>
>
>
> Sir/Ma'am.
>
>
>
> We are a non-funded NGO that fights corruption tooth and nail. We are a
> five year old organisation based in Chennai, Tamil Nadu India, but we have
> been covering a good number of government departments both state and
> central spanning the length and breadth of the country.
>
>
>
> We were instrumental in the arrest of four scientists of SAMEER few moths
> back for their fraudulent activities. This was done with the help of RTI.
>
>
>
> Now we have been fighting the Tamil Nadu Government's Cooperation
> department which is pregnant with deep rooted corruption and mismanagement.
> Thanks to RTI, we could gather much vital information to prove corruption
> and misdeeds in the organisation.
>
>
>
> Repeated petitions to the Registrar of Cooperative Societies, the Principal
> Secretary to the Government, the Cooperation Minister and the Chief
> Minister failed to evoke any response.
>
>
>
> A copy of the petition sent to the Principal Secretary to the Government
> and the Chief Minister is attached for kind perusal.
>
>
>
> Also, the Cooperation Minister is keeping along with him a corrupt person
> named Mr Kandasuvaamy to deal with money matters.
>
>
>
> On 24.5.2011 we filed a RTI petition with the Public Information Officer at
> the office of the Tamil Nadu Cooperation Minister seeking to know whether
> he had appointed one Mr. V Kandasuvaamy as his personal staff.
>
> A reply was received on 4.7.2011 that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy was not his
> personal staff.
>
> In the meantime Mr. V Kandasuvaamy retired as Director in the Tamil Nadu
> Cooperative Union on 30.6.2011 and now, he is not employed anywhere.
>
> From the day he retired, he is seen with the Cooperation Minister. Now, we
> have come to know that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy accompanies the Cooperation
> Minister wherever he goes on official visit – whether inspection of
> cooperatives or raids.
>
> The proof is the picture published in the Kootturavuu magazine published by
> the Tamil Nadu Cooperative Union.
>
> Though the Minister's office denied that Mr. Kandasuvaamy was the
> Minister's personal staff, the picture released in the magazine
> categorically states that the Minister's office had lied in its reply.
>
> We have also sent a complaint to the Chief Minister in this regard; but no
> action has been taken so far on our petition.
>
> A mighty force, you are, we call upon your support in achieving our goal –
> root out corruption.
>
>
>
> We shall be very grateful if you could send an email or letter to the
> officials concerned seeking immediate action on our petition. The email
> addresses are appended below.
>
> *Co-operation, Food and Consumer Protection Department:*
>
> *coopsec@tn.gov.in*
>
>
>
>
>
> We once again thank you for your support.
>
>
> John Lopez
> President & Chief Executive
> *Right to Information Movement*,
> 16, Kubera Munusamy Street, Chennai 600 061
> Phone: +91 94444 84 517 || +91 90 4242 7390
>

[HumJanenge] HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE & STOP GETTING RTI E-MAILS

IMPORTANT

IF
you are receiving emails supposedly from
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THEN
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GOTO
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enter your email ID into the "box" (ignore the text above the box
which speaks about verifying your membership) and UNSUBSCRIBE
manually. You will receive a confirmation link in your email (also
check your Spam/Trash folder for it).

If you don't want to do this, then simply send an email to the
Email-ID from the email ID you are getting the annoying emails in.

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HJ@gg cannot unsubscribe you from the [.RTI.] network. so please do
not email us. HJ@gg is not responsible for list emails after they are
sent out to our members.

Sarbajit

[HumJanenge] corruption

RIGHT TO INFORMATION MOVEMENT

16 Kubera Munusamy Street, Nanganallur, Chennai 600061.

 

Sir/Ma'am.

 

We are a non-funded NGO that fights corruption tooth and nail. We are a five year old organisation based in Chennai, Tamil Nadu India, but we have been covering a good number of government departments both state and central spanning the length and breadth of the country.

 

We were instrumental in the arrest of four scientists of SAMEER few moths back for their fraudulent activities. This was done with the help of RTI.

 

Now we have been fighting the Tamil Nadu Government's Cooperation department which is pregnant with deep rooted corruption and mismanagement. Thanks to RTI, we could gather much vital information to prove corruption and misdeeds in the organisation.

 

Repeated petitions to the Registrar of Cooperative Societies, the Principal Secretary to the Government, the Cooperation Minister and the Chief Minister failed to evoke any response.

 

A copy of the petition sent to the Principal Secretary to the Government and the Chief Minister is attached for kind perusal.

 

Also, the Cooperation Minister is keeping along with him a corrupt person named Mr Kandasuvaamy to deal with money matters.

 

On 24.5.2011 we filed a RTI petition with the Public Information Officer at the office of the Tamil Nadu Cooperation Minister seeking to know whether he had appointed one Mr. V Kandasuvaamy as his personal staff.

A reply was received on 4.7.2011 that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy was not his personal staff.

In the meantime Mr. V Kandasuvaamy retired as Director in the Tamil Nadu Cooperative Union on 30.6.2011 and now, he is not employed anywhere.

From the day he retired, he is seen with the Cooperation Minister. Now, we have come to know that Mr. V Kandasuvaamy accompanies the Cooperation Minister wherever he goes on official visit – whether inspection of cooperatives or raids.

The proof is the picture published in the Kootturavuu magazine published by the Tamil Nadu Cooperative Union.

Though the Minister's office denied that Mr. Kandasuvaamy was the Minister's personal staff, the picture released in the magazine categorically states that the Minister's office had lied in its reply.

We have also sent a complaint to the Chief Minister in this regard; but no action has been taken so far on our petition.

A mighty force, you are, we call upon your support in achieving our goal – root out corruption.

 

We shall be very grateful if you could send an email or letter to the officials concerned seeking immediate action on our petition.  The email addresses are appended below.

Co-operation, Food and Consumer Protection Department:

coopsec@tn.gov.in

 

 

We once again thank you for your support. 

John Lopez

President & Chief Executive

Right to Information Movement,

16, Kubera Munusamy Street, Chennai 600 061

Phone: +91 94444 84 517 || +91 90 4242 7390

[HumJanenge] ML: UIDAI’s contracts kept hidden behind non-disclosure clauses

UIDAI's contracts are all in public domain and are being supplied free
of cost under section 4 on request.

The problem is that MONEYLIFE does not know how to frame their
questions / applications / appeals properly, and the CPIO easily
brushes them aside using 8.1.d.

I suggest that they approach somebody like Veeresh Malik to draft
their RTI's (if they haven't done so already <smile>)

Sarbajit

On 3/16/12, vishalkudchadkar <v_kudz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.moneylife.in/article/uidais-contracts-kept-hidden-behind-non-disclosure-clauses/24257.html
>
> How can any office of the government pay taxpayers' money to private
> companies and not disclose the contracts to taxpayers?
>
> In response to a RTI (Right to Information) query seeking copies of the
> Unique Identification Authority of India's (UIDAI) contracts with four
> private companies—two foreign and two Indian—the authority claimed that
> these could not be furnished since they have signed non-disclosure
> agreements with them. The UIDAI is set up and functioning without the
> sanction of law. It enters into contracts with private companies, including
> foreign ones, pays them out of the exchequer and refuses to furnish copies
> of the contracts. Are not these contracts illegal? How could the UIDAI sign
> contracts on behalf of Planning Commission? Assuming, but not admitting that
> the UIDAI is empowered to enter into the contracts, are not the
> non-disclosure agreements illegal? How could any office of the government
> pay taxpayers' money to private companies and not disclose the contracts
> (purpose for which the money is paid) to taxpayers?
>
> The UIDAI has been informed that one of the foreign companies has links with
> intelligence agencies from a foreign country. This information failed to
> obtain any reaction from the UIDAI. The response to an RTI application
> seeking information on foreign company contractors was even more
> inexplicable. The UIDAI stated that it did not know the country of origin of
> these contractors and is not concerned about such facts. It added that as
> long as the bidding contractors had an office in India or an Indian partner
> and had sent a RFP, the Authority would not bother with origins. That is
> saying a lot about the kind of due diligence UIDAI has done in choosing
> contractors for "India's prestigious world's largest database project" of
> the country's biometric and demographic information.
>
> In answer to another RTI query to furnish copies of contracts pertaining to
> three empanelled Enrolling Agencies (EAs), the UIDAI did not furnish the
> copies of applications submitted by these companies and minutes of decision
> to empanel them. Instead, the UIDAI replied stating that the companies "were
> empanelled as EAs during the year 2010-11 on the basis of eligibility
> conditions provided in RFE-2010 and subject to satisfying other terms and
> conditions." Such obfuscation is characteristic of the UIDAI's
> "transparency". One of the three companies is a tea estate company. How does
> a tea estate company satisfy "eligibility conditions" for empanelment, as EA
> is mysterious, until one reads the RFE. The RFE states, "All organizations
> (single agency/consortium) interested in undertaking enrolment activities
> for the UIDAI project shall be empanelled under Level T1, provided they meet
> the general eligibility criteria". It is a free for all; anyone and everyone
> can join the melee of the enrolment process to capture biometric and
> demographic data of the people of this country.
>
>
> The UIDAI magnanimously added that the RFE-2010 runs into 74 pages and that
> the same could be provided at the cost of Rs2 per A4 size page. The UIDAI
> was careful to point out that it has not signed any contract with any of the
> EAs. It stated, "It is the sole responsibility of the registrar to assign
> work order subject to fulfilment of terms and conditions mentioned in
> Request for Quotations". Originally, particulars of 209 EAs were published
> on the UIDAI website. The number has since reduced to around 180. EAs
> empanelment is renewed yearly. No reasons are available as to why the number
> of EAs is reduced.
>
> Press and media have reported several instances of fraud and crimes by EAs.
> FIRs have been filed. Nothing is known about what happened to these cases.
> Police and media are equally silent on this, and strangely so. One would
> have thought that the stories on them would make juicy media stories. The
> UIDAI too, is not forthcoming on details of these cases. An RTI query
> elicited a vague response from the UIDAI, almost disowning responsibility
> for what the EAs do. The Authority claimed that this is the responsibility
> of registrars.
>
> Executive arrogance
>
> Several instances of the government, which is the executive estate of our
> democracy, acting contrary to constitutional and parliamentary norms happen
> with discomforting regularity. The government's actions in the UID scheme
> are typical of political arrogance translating into the executive domain.
> Firstly, The UIDAI has been functioning sans legal mandate ever since it was
> set up through an executive order in 2009. The UIDAI claims that such
> executive action is justified through constitutional provisos; a claim, if
> tested, might wither in the light of judicial scrutiny. If the executive
> function unchecked by Parliament, spend public money, intrude into people's
> lives and commercialize people's data, then Parliament would become a
> redundant institution.
>
> The government's logic is befuddling and sometimes, appears driven by
> expediency and political convenience. For example, when `Team Anna' was
> pushing the Jan Lokpal Bill, the government, as well as several politicians
> of varying hues, waxed eloquent on the supremacy of Parliament. However,
> when it comes to the UID project, expediency takes over and Parliament
> propriety is conveniently forgotten. The executive has a highly selective
> approach towards such niceties as legality, honouring the institution of
> Parliament and accountability to the people.
>
> Contrast this with the action of the UK government, when it scrapped the
> National ID Card Act of that country. They have the problems of terrorism
> and illegal immigration, for which the Blair government thought that a
> biometric national ID card system was the answer. They passed the Act,
> appointed contractors and went ahead. The new government scrapped the Act
> and the project. In doing so, the UK government said, "We propose to do
> government business as servants of the people, not their masters".
>
> Our "aam aadmi" government seems to imagine that they are feudal lords. It
> is time people reclaim sovereignty.
>
> (Mathew Thomas is a former defence services officer and missile scientist
> turned civic activist, campaigning against state database control of the
> people.)
>
>

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Re: [HumJanenge] help on AICTE criteria

If IAS persons can occupy specialist posts, Why not M.Sc and P.hd?

M.Y. Thote

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM, prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:

plz provide me info on judgment on whether M.Sc and P.hD person is
eligible for the post of principal in engineering college and also
criteria by AICTE in 1988 and onwards for post of professor in
electronics electronics and telecom and computer engineering

Re: [HumJanenge] F.No.4/26/2009-IR OM dated Oct 29 2011

Dear Dr.Rebello

1) The issue is not IF I am to be selected as an Information
Commissioner, but WHY/HOW "Mr.X" has been selected as an IC. A few of
us who applied did so to "test" the process and not because we need
the money, or the free house or the "lal-batti" etc

2) The word "beg" as I have used it simply means "to ask EARNESTLY". I
am not a beggar nor do I ask for anything to be granted as a favour.
It is to my advantage that my paternal grandfather was a very well
known professor of English, so I know the language as well as most
babus do.

3) By using "Respected Sir" I am acknowledging that the Secretary DoPT
has achieved the highest rank of his profession. There is nothing
wrong with it.

4) You are not a member of the HJ google group. We are very particular
about who we admit as members here, and we try to keep the trash out.

5) You are probably a member of the [.RTI.] network which distributes
RTI related emails, so that persons like you can aspire to be a member
of HJ@GG.

6) I wish you all success in your quest to become President of India.

7) As a patriot, the English word "beggar" is surely derived from the
Hindustani "be-ghar" or homeless person who lives on the streets. "If
wishes were horses then beggars would ride."

Sarbajit

On 3/15/12, leorebello@hathway.com <leorebello@hathway.com> wrote:
>
> Yes Mr. Sarbajit Roy, you deserve the post of Central Information
> Commissioner.
> But the retired babus occupy all plum posts and the reason why the RTI
> Act is in a comatose state within 5 years of its enactment.
>
> But there is no need to beg or call the IAS brats, Respected Sirs
> (that is redundant). You should get the job on merit, and my full
> support to you, as long as you too do not become rude and/or corrupt
> like Shailesh Gandhi after your appointment as the CIC.
>
> Having said that, please remove me from your Hum Janenge google group,
> because you are inundating me with trash. I am now concentrating on
> Presidential Elections 2012 and once I become the President, you and
> other good activists can work with me to Right the Grave Wrongs by
> Holistic paradigm. Rashtrapati Bhavan's doors will be open to good
> Activists and Public because I will NOT forget my inherent nature of
> Activism since the seventies just because I have been elected to the
> highest office.
>
> And one advice to you whether you are selected as CIC or not. Do not
> become ONE ORGAN, ONE DISEASE specialist like the MBBS doctors.
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>:
>
>> To:
>> The Secretary/DoPT/MoP/GoI
>>
>> Date: 14 March,2012
>>
>> Respected Sir
>>
>> Sub: F.No.4/26/2009-IR OM dated Oct 29 2011
>>
>> I refer to the subject OM concerning applications for consideration
>> for post of Central Information Commissioner at the CIC.
>>
>> I had submitted my application as per the proforma indicated, and
>> followed it up with some emails when I came to know that certain
>> persons were lobbying for the post
>>
>> I am given to understand 3 Information Commissioners have been
>> appointed recently, all of whom were public servants, unlike me. As it
>> is not clear to me if experience as a public servant is a criteria for
>> the post, I beg to be informed the precise reason(s) for my own
>> non-selection, if such is indeed the case..
>>
>> I am also given to understand that 3 vacancies remain to be filled
>> shortly, and beg to be informed if I am still being considered for the
>> position of Central Information Commissioner and what the prescribed
>> procedure for selection of Information Commissioners, if any, which
>> are in addition to that specified in the parent Right to Information
>> Act 2005 is.
>>
>> I would be obliged if this communication is duly acknowledged.
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Sarbajit Roy
>>
>> B-59 Defence Colony
>> New Delhi 110024.
>>
>> Tel : 011-2433-4262
>>
>
>
>
>

[HumJanenge] help on AICTE criteria

plz provide me info on judgment on whether M.Sc and P.hD person is
eligible for the post of principal in engineering college and also
criteria by AICTE in 1988 and onwards for post of professor in
electronics electronics and telecom and computer engineering

[HumJanenge] URGENT NOTICE: Sh Shailesh Gandhi posing as "Chief Information Commissioner" ?

To:
The Chief Information Commissioner
Central Information Commission at New Delhi

copy to: Secy/DoPT (for information)

15-March-2012

NOTICE IN LAW.

Respected Sir

I refer to my previous emails on this subject and also the news
article published yesterday by "Moneylife" magazine viewable at

http://www.moneylife.in/article/citizens-have-a-right-to-know-irregularities-in-banks-from-rbi-rules-cic/24227.html

Once again Shri Shailesh Gandhi is described therein to be the "Chief
Information Commissioner" and the Commission has never cared to
contradict / rebut the same.despite my numerous communications to the
Commission on this issue. I had alleged that he described himself as
such.

In the instant case, Shri Gandhi has once again openly disagreed with
the consensus view of the CIC, including that expressed by a Full
Bench of CIC. He has also ignored several stay orders on the subject
from the High Courts. His orders repeatedly describe his contempt for
yourself and the Commission acting as a body since he chooses to
describe himself therein as "this Commission". The Commission had also
stopped his high-handed and completely unlawful practice of directing
FIRs to be filed when I formally complained about it.

You are very well aware that I am the Respondent No.2 in SLP
30152/2010 pending in Supreme Court on the issue of functioning of
individual Commissioners, and the SLP has since been allowed and
converted into regular Civil Appeal only last month..It is pertinent
that single Information Commissioners are hearing cases on the
sufferance of an interim stay of the Court as the Delhi High Court had
disallowed such functioning. I believe that the DoPT is a necessary
party on this issue and the Government Law Officers have no business
representing the CIC in Court when the parent Ministry publicly holds
a different view to the Commission's on this point.

For your ready reference I again list at the footer of this email some
of the recent news URLs where Shri Shailesh Gandhi is described as
being the "Chief Information Commissioner". I can list many more if
called upon to do so.

I am also constrained to say that I have still not received the reply
from the Commission to the OM issued by the DoPT to Secretary/CIC on
certain complaints I had made about Shri Shailesh Gandhi, including
breach of Official Secrets Act and permission/sanction to prosecute
him. As the Hon'ble Supreme Court has specified that a maximum of 4
months is allowed for this, I would be obliged if you would kindly
look into this personally.

Considering the above, I urge you to kindly restrain Shri Shailesh
Gandhi or ensure that no business is allocated to this irresponsible
and egoistic individual..

I would also appreciate if a formal public notice is issued on website
of Commission clarifying whether Shri Gandhi is or is not the Chief
Information Commissioner considering the widespread confusion in the
media.

Yours faithfully

Sarbajit Roy
B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024

Tel : 011-24334262

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-06/chennai/29388028_1_public-information-officer-rti-queries-pio

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/23chat.html

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-01/delhi/28129689_1_fair-price-shops-essential-commodities-ration-cards

http://www.suchetadalal.com/?id=ee537dcb-f390-800c-4ec4f8f0f091&base=sections&f

http://debtrecoveryguru.com/credit-bureau/india/924-top-100-defaulting-industrialists-list-buried-on-cibil-site.html

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?277473

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/cic-pulls-up-tihar-jail-authorities_645859.html

http://citizensreport.in/2011/01/union-law-minister-veerappa-moily-promises-justice-in-3-years-2/

http://journalistcommunity.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=773:citizens-website-shields-identities-of-rti-activists&catid=34:articles&Itemid=54

Re: [.RTI.] [HumJanenge] Re: Bad publicity for HJ

Dear Nithya

1) You are not on the list.

2) When you requested to be unsubscribed from the list (quite some
time back), your status was made into "BANNED", which means that it is
impossible for you to apply to be a member until a list moderator
UNBANS you.

3) We have no records of how you originally came to be on the list.

4) I am one of the list moderators.

5) You cannot unsubscribe since you are not a member.

6) You cannot subscribe since you are banned.

7) As a non-member neither you nor any moderator can modify your settings.

8) From the subject of your email, it appears that you are receiving
emails from the [.RTI.] email aggregator. The procedure for
unsubscribing fro there has been been repeatedly advised by us
(although we are not bound to do so).

9) All emails from this group/list are publicly accessible and in the
public domain. Hence we have no control with what receipients /
viewers of emails circulated to the list do with them subsequently.

10) In your case, I note that you have 2 emails IDs. perhaps that is
the locus of your problem.

Sarbajit

On 3/15/12, Nithya V. Raman <nraman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Roy,
>
> Can you please explain how I came to be on this list? And who is the
> moderator? And how can I modify the settings and unsubscribe? When I write
> to googlegroups about this "humjanenge" it tells me no such group exists.
>
> Thank you for your prompt attention,
> Nithya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:34 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the words of the "great" P.T.Barnum, "All publicity is good
>> publicity, just make sure they spell your name correctly".
>>
>> Just for the record, This group has only been sending out about 150
>> emails PER MONTH. In March we have sent only 114 emails till now - so
>> there is no question of a "flood of emails DAILY from
>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com". All these 114 emails are publicly
>> viewable on our group homepage. Also, there is no virus on the
>> HJ@googlegroups.com platform.
>>
>> Also for the record, the "flood of emails" at HJ@riseup.net has
>> stopped as the SYMPA software has been sorted out, and the members
>> list there has been reconciled.. It appears after the mid-day story
>> broke, about 1,000 new members have been added to the HJ@riseup.net
>> platform.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Mar 13, 11:17 pm, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/mar/130312-Many-at-their-wits-end-as...
>> >
>> > Many at their wits' end as unsubscribing fails to stop flood of RTI
>> group mails
>> >
>> > By: Adnan Attarwala Date: 2012-03-13 Place: Pune
>> >
>> > Group moderators say another website to blame
>> >
>> > Thousands of people across several states have been waking up each
>> morning to discover their email inboxes flooded with hundreds of unwanted
>> emails. The emails have been coming through a googlegroups forum called
>> > humjanenge@googlegroups.com, a group for netizens exchanging ideas and
>> messages on the Right to Information Act 2005.
>> >
>> > Ajay Jangrid, who works for an insurance firm, finds hundreds of
>> unwanted mails in his inbox every day.
>> >
>> > "I've been receiving 100-200 mails every day despite sending several
>> notices to the group," he said. "I've tried unsubscribing several times,
>> but to no avail."
>> >
>> > Though only those who register with the site can view replies posted by
>> RTI activists, since the past few weeks thousands of people across the
>> state, Gujarat and Karnataka who are not involved with any RTI queries
>> have
>> been receiving a barrage of messages from the group.
>> >
>> > Citizens say that the mails do not have the usual footer that allows
>> recipients to unsubscribe and most of them have never subscribed to this
>> group.
>> >
>> > "I wrote to someone called Sarbajit Roy, who claimed to be moderator of
>> the group, requesting them to unsubscribe me," said Kamal Patel, a citizen
>> who has been getting these mails.
>> >
>> > "The site has been infected by some virus. I had subscribed to it
>> earlier just to derive information on issues on which RTI had been filed.
>> But all of a sudden there has been spurt of mails, which is becoming a
>> nuisance.
>> >
>> > There are issues that I am not even interested in reading," said social
>> activist Jitendra Gupta.
>> >
>> > Nayana Kathpalia, co-convenor of the NGO Citispace, who has also been
>> receiving mails said, "Despite unsubscribing I've been receiving unwanted
>> mails. Somebody should complain about this."
>> >
>> > According to the administrators of the group, those wishing not to
>> receive these mails can immediately unsubscribe and the moderators
>> regularly post messages advising members how to unsubscribe.
>> >
>> > "If someone is not a member of humjanenge@googlegroups.com then they
>> are not receiving mails from our group, but they could be receiving
>> forwarded emails from the (RTI) network through other members," Sarbajit
>> Roy stated in an email.
>> >
>> > The moderators claim that the mails are being forwarded through another
>> site called riseup.net.
>> >
>> > "Nobody knew the procedure to unsubscribe there, and our mailing list
>> was being blamed for that," Roy said.
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] What he can do? Tamilnadu Issue

Besides  what Mr.Vikram Simha has noted, pl note that There is a DoPT Circular, advising all PA. not to charge any sum other than as provided in Section 7 and states clearly that what is demanded in UR CASE CAN NOT BE CHARGED'.

On 14 March 2012 09:44, Thangavel manickam <thangavelmanickam@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Please read below news from TOI today. What he can do further? Is
there any rules to take action against the PIO K.Manimekalai???

Let us know, it will help people.



CHENNAI: It is common for government agencies to come up with reasons
for not supplying information sought under the Right to Information
Act (RTI). Now, the state civil supplies department has come up with a
googly. Responding to a RTI query, it told the applicant, "pay us
money so that we can hire people to find out the information you
seek."

The applicant, M Thirumani of Padikuppam Road in Anna Nagar, filed a
RTI query on June 9, 2011, seeking information on a petition he filed
earlier to delete his son's name from his ration card and issue him a
separate card. He also sought from the department's public information
officer (PIO) information about those who had applied for removal of
their family members from ration card from June 8 to November 29,
2011.

Replying to his queries, PIO K Manimekalai claimed there was acute
shortage of manpower in the civil supplies department and hence it was
not possible for officials to get the details sought during regular
working days. She demanded that the petitioner pay Rs 1,950 a day at
the treasury until he got the information.

"If we have to get those details, we have to assign a section
superintendent, a junior assistant and an office assistant on special
duty and make them work even when they are on leave. To pay their
special pay allowance, the petitioner was asked to pay Rs 1,950 a day.
In case it takes three days to get those details, the petitioner
should remit Rs 5,850 in the government treasury," sources in the
civil supplies department said.

The civil supplies department officer claimed in her reply that the
details and the documents sought by the petitioner would be issued on
leave days.

The petitioner should pay Rs 2 to get the details for each document.
After the PIO sent her reply, Thirumani's son Chandramani appealed to
the civil supplies department seeking an answer to his father's
petition.

News Courtesy :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/RTI-activist-told-to-pay-for-info/articleshow/12257151.cms

--
Narayan Varma
56B Mittal Tower,
210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
RTI PCGT helpline 09322882288           
 my cell   09821096052

Re: [HumJanenge] What he can do? Tamilnadu Issue

It has been established By various Orders of CIc and also Other SIC's that Apart from the fee Fixed , No PIO Can Claim or demand Fees which is Beyond his Purveiw and Not according to The Act & rules .
Further Most of the Info comm's have Ruled According to Section 2(f) what is the Defeinition of "INFORMATION" .
If One reads this definition You can Clearly read that it spells Out What information can be Accessed ( Under any other law for the time being in Force)
I am really sorry to state that after more than six years of the RTI act 2005 Us Citizens on the "demand" side are Now entering to a relam of Asking Questions Without Doing Preliminary "home work" and Try to solve our greviances Without givenig a small thought the Miracles RTI Can do .
whereas "Supply" side is Getting slowly effiecient In Thwarting Such RTI requests because of the inbuilt fault in our Requests . this I can say Being a resource person and continiously Training Both Citizens & Officials and being in our KIC almost Daily Assisting Persons .
I Have also Observed that Print Media or the Electronic Media Picks up such absurd Stories to carry because of the sensation it creates without Giving once again a thought whether the "ORIGIN" is correct or not
Here it to educate Both , The demand side by Trainings and the supply side either by "INBASKET EXCERSISE" or Filing appeals . Freinds in our state have also taken a few PIOs to Consumer Forums claiming compensation as diffeciency in service which they have succeded
This is WAR and every battle has to be won in each & every front
I Know that in your state Indian postal order is yet Become a Mode to pay the fees , where as we have moved to Money orders in our state
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota & Trustee RTI Study Center, #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.

--- On Wed, 14/3/12, Thangavel manickam <thangavelmanickam@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Thangavel manickam <thangavelmanickam@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] What he can do? Tamilnadu Issue
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 14 March, 2012, 9:44 AM
> Dear Friends,
>
> Please read below news from TOI today. What he can do
> further? Is
> there any rules to take action against the PIO
> K.Manimekalai???
>
> Let us know, it will help people.
>
>
>
> CHENNAI: It is common for government agencies to come up
> with reasons
> for not supplying information sought under the Right to
> Information
> Act (RTI). Now, the state civil supplies department has come
> up with a
> googly. Responding to a RTI query, it told the applicant,
> "pay us
> money so that we can hire people to find out the information
> you
> seek."
>
> The applicant, M Thirumani of Padikuppam Road in Anna Nagar,
> filed a
> RTI query on June 9, 2011, seeking information on a petition
> he filed
> earlier to delete his son's name from his ration card and
> issue him a
> separate card. He also sought from the department's public
> information
> officer (PIO) information about those who had applied for
> removal of
> their family members from ration card from June 8 to
> November 29,
> 2011.
>
> Replying to his queries, PIO K Manimekalai claimed there was
> acute
> shortage of manpower in the civil supplies department and
> hence it was
> not possible for officials to get the details sought during
> regular
> working days. She demanded that the petitioner pay Rs 1,950
> a day at
> the treasury until he got the information.
>
> "If we have to get those details, we have to assign a
> section
> superintendent, a junior assistant and an office assistant
> on special
> duty and make them work even when they are on leave. To pay
> their
> special pay allowance, the petitioner was asked to pay Rs
> 1,950 a day.
> In case it takes three days to get those details, the
> petitioner
> should remit Rs 5,850 in the government treasury," sources
> in the
> civil supplies department said.
>
> The civil supplies department officer claimed in her reply
> that the
> details and the documents sought by the petitioner would be
> issued on
> leave days.
>
> The petitioner should pay Rs 2 to get the details for each
> document.
> After the PIO sent her reply, Thirumani's son Chandramani
> appealed to
> the civil supplies department seeking an answer to his
> father's
> petition.
>
> News Courtesy :
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/RTI-activist-told-to-pay-for-info/articleshow/12257151.cms
>

[HumJanenge] F.No.4/26/2009-IR OM dated Oct 29 2011

To:
The Secretary/DoPT/MoP/GoI

Date: 14 March,2012

Respected Sir

Sub: F.No.4/26/2009-IR OM dated Oct 29 2011

I refer to the subject OM concerning applications for consideration
for post of Central Information Commissioner at the CIC.

I had submitted my application as per the proforma indicated, and
followed it up with some emails when I came to know that certain
persons were lobbying for the post

I am given to understand 3 Information Commissioners have been
appointed recently, all of whom were public servants, unlike me. As it
is not clear to me if experience as a public servant is a criteria for
the post, I beg to be informed the precise reason(s) for my own
non-selection, if such is indeed the case..

I am also given to understand that 3 vacancies remain to be filled
shortly, and beg to be informed if I am still being considered for the
position of Central Information Commissioner and what the prescribed
procedure for selection of Information Commissioners, if any, which
are in addition to that specified in the parent Right to Information
Act 2005 is.

I would be obliged if this communication is duly acknowledged.

Yours sincerely

Sarbajit Roy

B-59 Defence Colony
New Delhi 110024.

Tel : 011-2433-4262

[HumJanenge] What he can do? Tamilnadu Issue

Dear Friends,

Please read below news from TOI today. What he can do further? Is
there any rules to take action against the PIO K.Manimekalai???

Let us know, it will help people.

CHENNAI: It is common for government agencies to come up with reasons
for not supplying information sought under the Right to Information
Act (RTI). Now, the state civil supplies department has come up with a
googly. Responding to a RTI query, it told the applicant, "pay us
money so that we can hire people to find out the information you
seek."

The applicant, M Thirumani of Padikuppam Road in Anna Nagar, filed a
RTI query on June 9, 2011, seeking information on a petition he filed
earlier to delete his son's name from his ration card and issue him a
separate card. He also sought from the department's public information
officer (PIO) information about those who had applied for removal of
their family members from ration card from June 8 to November 29,
2011.

Replying to his queries, PIO K Manimekalai claimed there was acute
shortage of manpower in the civil supplies department and hence it was
not possible for officials to get the details sought during regular
working days. She demanded that the petitioner pay Rs 1,950 a day at
the treasury until he got the information.

"If we have to get those details, we have to assign a section
superintendent, a junior assistant and an office assistant on special
duty and make them work even when they are on leave. To pay their
special pay allowance, the petitioner was asked to pay Rs 1,950 a day.
In case it takes three days to get those details, the petitioner
should remit Rs 5,850 in the government treasury," sources in the
civil supplies department said.

The civil supplies department officer claimed in her reply that the
details and the documents sought by the petitioner would be issued on
leave days.

The petitioner should pay Rs 2 to get the details for each document.
After the PIO sent her reply, Thirumani's son Chandramani appealed to
the civil supplies department seeking an answer to his father's
petition.

News Courtesy :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/RTI-activist-told-to-pay-for-info/articleshow/12257151.cms

[HumJanenge] Re: Bad publicity for HJ

In the words of the "great" P.T.Barnum, "All publicity is good
publicity, just make sure they spell your name correctly".

Just for the record, This group has only been sending out about 150
emails PER MONTH. In March we have sent only 114 emails till now - so
there is no question of a "flood of emails DAILY from
humjanenge@googlegroups.com". All these 114 emails are publicly
viewable on our group homepage. Also, there is no virus on the
HJ@googlegroups.com platform.

Also for the record, the "flood of emails" at HJ@riseup.net has
stopped as the SYMPA software has been sorted out, and the members
list there has been reconciled.. It appears after the mid-day story
broke, about 1,000 new members have been added to the HJ@riseup.net
platform.

Sarbajit

On Mar 13, 11:17 pm, C K Jam <rtiwan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/mar/130312-Many-at-their-wits-end-as...
>
> Many at their wits' end as unsubscribing fails to stop flood of RTI group mails
>
> By: Adnan Attarwala   Date:  2012-03-13   Place: Pune
>
> Group moderators say another website to blame
>
> Thousands of people across several states have been waking up each morning to discover their email inboxes flooded with hundreds of unwanted emails. The emails have been coming through a googlegroups forum called
> humjanenge@googlegroups.com, a group for netizens exchanging ideas and messages on the Right to Information Act 2005.
>
> Ajay Jangrid, who works for an insurance firm, finds hundreds of unwanted mails in his inbox every day.
>
> "I've been receiving 100-200 mails every day despite sending several notices to the group," he said. "I've tried unsubscribing several times, but to no avail."
>
> Though only those who register with the site can view replies posted by RTI activists, since the past few weeks thousands of people across the state, Gujarat and Karnataka who are not involved with any RTI queries have been receiving a barrage of messages from the group.
>
> Citizens say that the mails do not have the usual footer that allows recipients to unsubscribe and most of them have never subscribed to this group.
>
> "I wrote to someone called Sarbajit Roy, who claimed to be moderator of the group, requesting them to unsubscribe me," said Kamal Patel, a citizen who has been getting these mails.
>
> "The site has been infected by some virus. I had subscribed to it earlier just to derive information on issues on which RTI had been filed. But all of a sudden there has been spurt of mails, which is becoming a nuisance.
>
> There are issues that I am not even interested in reading," said social activist Jitendra Gupta.
>
> Nayana Kathpalia, co-convenor of the NGO Citispace, who has also been receiving mails said, "Despite unsubscribing I've been receiving unwanted mails. Somebody should complain about this."
>
> According to the administrators of the group, those wishing not to receive these mails can immediately unsubscribe and the moderators regularly post messages advising members how to unsubscribe.
>
> "If someone is not a member of humjanenge@googlegroups.com then they are not receiving mails from our group, but they could be receiving forwarded emails from the (RTI) network through other members," Sarbajit Roy stated in an email.
>
> The moderators claim that the mails are being forwarded through another site called riseup.net.
>
> "Nobody knew the procedure to unsubscribe there, and our mailing list was being blamed for that," Roy said.

Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

In the case referred by Mr. Goel. I accompained him in the hearing before Mrs. Annapurna Dixit, IC.  IC has given a patient hearing and passed a reasoned judgement after some days after going through the home work done by Mr. Goel and the papers submitted by DPS, Rohini.  Unfortunately, the HC had stayed the order of the CIC and I think, the matter is under litigation in Delhi High Court.  I am of the opinion that it is very difficult for the poor parents to effectively fight with the cash rich public schools by engaging the costly lawyers to derail the course of justice by misusing the process of law by stretching the case for long. 

From: Mohit Goel <mr_mohitg@yahoo.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

Dear Mr Sarbajit

allow me to add one more incident..

I fought for declaring  a Private school as Public and on various hearing Mr SG simply gave adjournments ( after seeing my homework) which is against rules. He kept sitting on my file for more than 1 year and was adamant to rule against me but unfortunately he was not able to find any loopholes in my arguments and thus no decision for 1 year !!!!! 

Lately i complaint to CIC- Mr SM  and then my file got transfer to another IC and she declared private school as public school with a well dictated judgment.  A relief to delhities as such since if this case pass the test at HC and SC then 60% of pvt schools would have to appoint PIO 

Mr gandhi is not feeling depressed that he could not help the private school continuing their slaughtering of poor parents  and may be he has to return a lot :) 

regards

Mohit 

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

Dear Ms. Deshmukh

I am sure you have fond memories of Shaileshji from his activist days.
Unfortunately I never knew him well enough in such capacity,

My first major interaction with him was on or about the 11/12th of
August 2008 when I met him (he was with Arvind Kejriwal) outside Mr
Habibullah's office. Shailesh had come down from Mumbai and we
discussed his impending hearing before Mr H since he had "sought
information that was going to bring the government down". As it
transpired, Shailesh became a Central IC soon thereafter and his
information request "abated" with his "death" (as an activist)
-perhaps it was just coincidence that  the Govt did not fall down.
FYI, I had just come out of Mr. H's office where I and another person
who is certainly India's finest RTI user, had been invited by Mr.H to
"sit-in" on Shailesh's hearing, but we declined. The lady declined to
be within a 100 yards of NCPRI slimeballs like SG or AK.

My next major interaction with Shailesh was in his office, where I
asked to "sit-in" during his proceedings (this was in the first week
of his becoming an IC) under the concerned DoPT notified RTI Rule
which mandates decisions to be delivered in "open proceedings". I
found it very strange that IC(SG) was not aware of the concerned Rule.
I found it even stranger that he used to come with all his "home work"
done - ie. the decision had been pre-drafted and ready on his system,
and after a 2 minute token hearing he would simply hand over the order
on the spot with a few changes he made on the spot.  I was amazed that
he was doing about 15 decisions per hour in this fashion.  At least 2
appellants (who certainly knew RTI better than SG) were very upset and
asked/looked to me for assistance (I cant help it if I am known in
Delhi RTI circles). IC(SG) told me to SHUT UP and asked me to leave
the proceedings - I barely spoke 10 words very softly and respectfully
in the course of an hour..

The next I knew was that one of Delhi's RTI stalwarts (Mr Ravinder
Balwani) and I met a very senior officer of the MCD during the first 1
or 2 months of SG's regime. This officer (he was a FAA of a very
sensitive dept) gave us chapter and verse of SG's new avatar

Since then I have decided to ignore the man (SG), I cannot however
ignore his exceedingly pathetic decisions (mainly drafted by the 3rd
rate legal interns he pays for in luxury). All my comments about his
functioning as an IC are in the public domain. From time to time when
SG exceeds all norms I am aroused and write off to the powers that be
(who do nothing officially).

I for one am not at all surprised by Mr Mishra's email. His email is
only a symptom of the larger problem - and I shall be writing on this
at length,

Warmly.

Sarbajit
PS: Incidentally (though you may not agree), this group is a homage to
Masterji (who I knew fairly well over the internet - though we never
met in real life).

On 3/12/12, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the delay in replying to this message but like a good journalist,
> did not want to write till I spoke to the other party that is Shaileshji. .
> I have known Mr Shailesh Gandhi since his RTI activism days in Mumbai and
> know him as a thorough gentleman. He is very amiable and is always willing
> to help others. I have great respect for him. Hence, I was surprised to see
> this mail.
> After I spoke to him, this is what I gather. The applicant accused one of
> Shaileshji's colleague saying ``you are corrupt.'' After having said so a
> couple of times, Shaileshji politely asked him not to make such
> accusations. Despite that, he continued to be spiteful. That's when
> Shaileshji said ``shut up.''
> I feel the applicant, Mr Mishra, must be surely distressed and it is
> admirable that he is taking up issues through RTI despite his seniority.
> However, the first rule while visiting the government office is to maintain
> decorum and show respect to the government officer. I know it is difficult
> sometimes to keep your cool in case the officer is really non-co-operative
> (which it was not in this case) but even then if the issue you have
> undertaken needs to be sorted out, it should done with calmness.
> Mr Mishra, I wish you all the best in your good work
> Cheers and warm rgds
> Vinita Deshmukh
> Editor, Life 365
> Consulting Editor, MoneyLife
> RTI columnist and activist

[HumJanenge] Bad publicity for HJ

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/mar/130312-Many-at-their-wits-end-as-unsubscribing-fails-to-stop-flood-of-RTI-group-mails.htm 

Many at their wits' end as unsubscribing fails to stop flood of RTI group mails

By: Adnan Attarwala

Date:  2012-03-13

Place: Pune Group moderators say another website to blame Thousands of people across several states have been waking up each morning to discover their email inboxes flooded with hundreds of unwanted emails. The emails have been coming through a googlegroups forum called  humjanenge@googlegroups.com, a group for netizens exchanging ideas and messages on the Right to Information Act 2005. Ajay Jangrid, who works for an insurance firm, finds hundreds of unwanted mails in his inbox every day.  "I've been receiving 100-200 mails every day despite sending several notices to the group," he said. "I've tried unsubscribing several times, but to no avail."   Though only those who register with the site can view replies posted by RTI activists, since the past few weeks thousands of people across the state, Gujarat and Karnataka who are not involved with any RTI queries have been receiving a barrage of messages from the group. Citizens say that the mails do not have the usual footer that allows recipients to unsubscribe and most of them have never subscribed to this group. "I wrote to someone called Sarbajit Roy, who claimed to be moderator of the group, requesting them to unsubscribe me," said Kamal Patel, a citizen who has been getting these mails. "The site has been infected by some virus. I had subscribed to it earlier just to derive information on issues on which RTI had been filed. But all of a sudden there has been spurt of mails, which is becoming a nuisance.  There are issues that I am not even interested in reading," said social activist Jitendra Gupta. Nayana Kathpalia, co-convenor of the NGO Citispace, who has also been receiving mails said, "Despite unsubscribing I've been receiving unwanted mails. Somebody should complain about this." According to the administrators of the group, those wishing not to receive these mails can immediately unsubscribe and the moderators regularly post messages advising members how to unsubscribe. "If someone is not a member of humjanenge@googlegroups.com then they are not receiving mails from our group, but they could be receiving forwarded emails from the (RTI) network through other members," Sarbajit Roy stated in an email.  The moderators claim that the mails are being forwarded through another site called riseup.net. "Nobody knew the procedure to unsubscribe there, and our mailing list was being blamed for that," Roy said.

Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

Dear Mr Sarbajit

allow me to add one more incident..

I fought for declaring  a Private school as Public and on various hearing Mr SG simply gave adjournments ( after seeing my homework) which is against rules. He kept sitting on my file for more than 1 year and was adamant to rule against me but unfortunately he was not able to find any loopholes in my arguments and thus no decision for 1 year !!!!! 

Lately i complaint to CIC- Mr SM  and then my file got transfer to another IC and she declared private school as public school with a well dictated judgment.  A relief to delhities as such since if this case pass the test at HC and SC then 60% of pvt schools would have to appoint PIO 

Mr gandhi is not feeling depressed that he could not help the private school continuing their slaughtering of poor parents  and may be he has to return a lot :) 

regards

Mohit 

---

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

Dear Ms. Deshmukh

I am sure you have fond memories of Shaileshji from his activist days.
Unfortunately I never knew him well enough in such capacity,

My first major interaction with him was on or about the 11/12th of
August 2008 when I met him (he was with Arvind Kejriwal) outside Mr
Habibullah's office. Shailesh had come down from Mumbai and we
discussed his impending hearing before Mr H since he had "sought
information that was going to bring the government down". As it
transpired, Shailesh became a Central IC soon thereafter and his
information request "abated" with his "death" (as an activist)
-perhaps it was just coincidence that  the Govt did not fall down.
FYI, I had just come out of Mr. H's office where I and another person
who is certainly India's finest RTI user, had been invited by Mr.H to
"sit-in" on Shailesh's hearing, but we declined. The lady declined to
be within a 100 yards of NCPRI slimeballs like SG or AK.

My next major interaction with Shailesh was in his office, where I
asked to "sit-in" during his proceedings (this was in the first week
of his becoming an IC) under the concerned DoPT notified RTI Rule
which mandates decisions to be delivered in "open proceedings". I
found it very strange that IC(SG) was not aware of the concerned Rule.
I found it even stranger that he used to come with all his "home work"
done - ie. the decision had been pre-drafted and ready on his system,
and after a 2 minute token hearing he would simply hand over the order
on the spot with a few changes he made on the spot.  I was amazed that
he was doing about 15 decisions per hour in this fashion.  At least 2
appellants (who certainly knew RTI better than SG) were very upset and
asked/looked to me for assistance (I cant help it if I am known in
Delhi RTI circles). IC(SG) told me to SHUT UP and asked me to leave
the proceedings - I barely spoke 10 words very softly and respectfully
in the course of an hour..

The next I knew was that one of Delhi's RTI stalwarts (Mr Ravinder
Balwani) and I met a very senior officer of the MCD during the first 1
or 2 months of SG's regime. This officer (he was a FAA of a very
sensitive dept) gave us chapter and verse of SG's new avatar

Since then I have decided to ignore the man (SG), I cannot however
ignore his exceedingly pathetic decisions (mainly drafted by the 3rd
rate legal interns he pays for in luxury). All my comments about his
functioning as an IC are in the public domain. From time to time when
SG exceeds all norms I am aroused and write off to the powers that be
(who do nothing officially).

I for one am not at all surprised by Mr Mishra's email. His email is
only a symptom of the larger problem - and I shall be writing on this
at length,

Warmly.

Sarbajit
PS: Incidentally (though you may not agree), this group is a homage to
Masterji (who I knew fairly well over the internet - though we never
met in real life).

On 3/12/12, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the delay in replying to this message but like a good journalist,
> did not want to write till I spoke to the other party that is Shaileshji. .
> I have known Mr Shailesh Gandhi since his RTI activism days in Mumbai and
> know him as a thorough gentleman. He is very amiable and is always willing
> to help others. I have great respect for him. Hence, I was surprised to see
> this mail.
> After I spoke to him, this is what I gather. The applicant accused one of
> Shaileshji's colleague saying ``you are corrupt.'' After having said so a
> couple of times, Shaileshji politely asked him not to make such
> accusations. Despite that, he continued to be spiteful. That's when
> Shaileshji said ``shut up.''
> I feel the applicant, Mr Mishra, must be surely distressed and it is
> admirable that he is taking up issues through RTI despite his seniority.
> However, the first rule while visiting the government office is to maintain
> decorum and show respect to the government officer. I know it is difficult
> sometimes to keep your cool in case the officer is really non-co-operative
> (which it was not in this case) but even then if the issue you have
> undertaken needs to be sorted out, it should done with calmness.
> Mr Mishra, I wish you all the best in your good work
> Cheers and warm rgds
> Vinita Deshmukh
> Editor, Life 365
> Consulting Editor, MoneyLife
> RTI columnist and activist

[HumJanenge] IMPORTANT: How to stop receiving RTI emails [Last chance]

Dear Friends at Humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Due to SYMPA software upgrades at the "humjanenge@lists.riseup.net"
mailing list many persons in THAT list began receiving 100s of emails
everyday, simply because "moderation" feature got permanently turned
off and any Tom Dick Harry (even non-members) was able to post. The
problem escalated out of control due to Blackberry users (in closed
user groups) who were madly cc'ing each other.

This is a SYMPA software failure, over which the mailing list owners
have no control.

Luckily the problem did not spill over into googlegroups (which uses
an entirely different software platform).

Kindly note that neither HJ@gg.com or HJ@lists.riseup.net are
SPAMMERs. In fact we do not tolerate Spam, and quickly weed out
spammers and email harvesters. We do this to ensure that almost all
our emails are delivered into your Inbox and are not sent to spam
folders.

Since the main culprit at present is HJ@lists.riseup.net and most of
you are receiving unwanted emails from there, I am giving 3 ways to
unsubscribe. This is your last chance to exit with our help.

1) https://lists.riseup.net/www/sigrequest/humjanenge
(enter the email ID where you are getting all the unwanted emails, and
request a validation link. When you confirm that link, you are out)

2) send an email to "humjanenge-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
(don't include the quotes)

3) Read this https://help.riseup.net/en/subscribing#how-do-i-unsubscribe-from-a-list

follow these steps:
1. login at lists.riseup.net using the address which is subscribed
to the list. If you don't have a password, follow the links on that
page to have one mailed to you.
2. once you are logged in, click "Your subscriptions" near the top
of the page.
3. click the name of the list you want off.
4. click Unsubscribe

Best wishes

Please don't email me, and don't CC anyone else either.
Be a part of the solution and not the problem

Sarbajit

Re: [HumJanenge] shailesh gandhi insult old appellant

Dear Ms. Deshmukh

I am sure you have fond memories of Shaileshji from his activist days.
Unfortunately I never knew him well enough in such capacity,

My first major interaction with him was on or about the 11/12th of
August 2008 when I met him (he was with Arvind Kejriwal) outside Mr
Habibullah's office. Shailesh had come down from Mumbai and we
discussed his impending hearing before Mr H since he had "sought
information that was going to bring the government down". As it
transpired, Shailesh became a Central IC soon thereafter and his
information request "abated" with his "death" (as an activist)
-perhaps it was just coincidence that the Govt did not fall down.
FYI, I had just come out of Mr. H's office where I and another person
who is certainly India's finest RTI user, had been invited by Mr.H to
"sit-in" on Shailesh's hearing, but we declined. The lady declined to
be within a 100 yards of NCPRI slimeballs like SG or AK.

My next major interaction with Shailesh was in his office, where I
asked to "sit-in" during his proceedings (this was in the first week
of his becoming an IC) under the concerned DoPT notified RTI Rule
which mandates decisions to be delivered in "open proceedings". I
found it very strange that IC(SG) was not aware of the concerned Rule.
I found it even stranger that he used to come with all his "home work"
done - ie. the decision had been pre-drafted and ready on his system,
and after a 2 minute token hearing he would simply hand over the order
on the spot with a few changes he made on the spot. I was amazed that
he was doing about 15 decisions per hour in this fashion. At least 2
appellants (who certainly knew RTI better than SG) were very upset and
asked/looked to me for assistance (I cant help it if I am known in
Delhi RTI circles). IC(SG) told me to SHUT UP and asked me to leave
the proceedings - I barely spoke 10 words very softly and respectfully
in the course of an hour..

The next I knew was that one of Delhi's RTI stalwarts (Mr Ravinder
Balwani) and I met a very senior officer of the MCD during the first 1
or 2 months of SG's regime. This officer (he was a FAA of a very
sensitive dept) gave us chapter and verse of SG's new avatar

Since then I have decided to ignore the man (SG), I cannot however
ignore his exceedingly pathetic decisions (mainly drafted by the 3rd
rate legal interns he pays for in luxury). All my comments about his
functioning as an IC are in the public domain. From time to time when
SG exceeds all norms I am aroused and write off to the powers that be
(who do nothing officially).

I for one am not at all surprised by Mr Mishra's email. His email is
only a symptom of the larger problem - and I shall be writing on this
at length,

Warmly.

Sarbajit
PS: Incidentally (though you may not agree), this group is a homage to
Masterji (who I knew fairly well over the internet - though we never
met in real life).

On 3/12/12, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the delay in replying to this message but like a good journalist,
> did not want to write till I spoke to the other party that is Shaileshji. .
> I have known Mr Shailesh Gandhi since his RTI activism days in Mumbai and
> know him as a thorough gentleman. He is very amiable and is always willing
> to help others. I have great respect for him. Hence, I was surprised to see
> this mail.
> After I spoke to him, this is what I gather. The applicant accused one of
> Shaileshji's colleague saying ``you are corrupt.'' After having said so a
> couple of times, Shaileshji politely asked him not to make such
> accusations. Despite that, he continued to be spiteful. That's when
> Shaileshji said ``shut up.''
> I feel the applicant, Mr Mishra, must be surely distressed and it is
> admirable that he is taking up issues through RTI despite his seniority.
> However, the first rule while visiting the government office is to maintain
> decorum and show respect to the government officer. I know it is difficult
> sometimes to keep your cool in case the officer is really non-co-operative
> (which it was not in this case) but even then if the issue you have
> undertaken needs to be sorted out, it should done with calmness.
> Mr Mishra, I wish you all the best in your good work
> Cheers and warm rgds
> Vinita Deshmukh
> Editor, Life 365
> Consulting Editor, MoneyLife
> RTI columnist and activist

Re: [HumJanenge] No delay at CIC. 45 days to hearing/disposal.

Dear Karira

The CIC is an administrative backwater of the DoPT (only useful for
getting a Delhi posting), where officers desperately try to swim
upstream like salmon in breeding season. Perhaps if Ms Omita Paul had
stuck on they would have made it out with her.

Satbajit

On 3/12/12, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> If the criteria to be considered for posting to some organisation is this,
> then,
> I can confidently say that Mr Shreyaskar is also trying for posting in:
>
> 15 different High Courts, all over the country
> The Supreme Court
> DoPT
> Presidents Secretariat
> Office of Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha
> CBI
> etc.
>
> Because my Second Appeals and Complaints filed with the Registry of ex CIC
> WH, where
> Mr Shreyaskar was the then Dpty Registrar, have gone missing since 2009 and
> still to be found.
>
> This prompts an important question:
>
> How many postings does a man want/need ? LOL
>
> RTIwanted
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Cc: yadavrajeev_2005@yahoo.co.in; RTI Activist Hari Goyal
> <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in> I later
> learned that Shri Shreyaskar was being considered for posting to the
> NSCS.