Re: Reply: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:44 AM, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sarabjit & all others,

 

You are free to hold any opinion you deem fit to hold as your conscience dictates & freedom of speech & expression allows it & I do not dispute it.

 

I am atheist. You may write anything you wish to & that dispensation has been sent by me to over a million persons via internet since 1992 & whoever who replied have appreciated it as most rational.

 

I will not dispute your private beliefs; you are free to hold them.

 

Best wishes,

WEDS

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From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: INDIA RTI for empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 12 December, 2010 23:42:03
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Re: Poll results for rti4empowerment

Dear Mr WEDS

From your name it appears that you are one of those foreign financed
Christian Evangelists so notorious for deceiving innocent people.

Unfortunately your post is too long, confused and badly structured.
Your arguments against God are incoherent, rambling logically
inconsistent, and frankly ignorant of Hindu religion. No rational
person can share your beliefs. I am a rational person and also believe
in God, or GOD. I find no inconsistency in my position.

Let me set out a few of my core beliefs. These are basically as
published in English by Raj Narain Bose in about 1873. Raj Narain Bose
was the man who framed the concept of 'Hindutva', and was also
grandfather of Shri Aurobindo.

1) God is One without a second. "Ekamevadwiteeyam" One Supreme God— "a
God, endowed with a distinct personality & moral attributes equal to
His nature, and intelligence befitting the Governor of the
Universe," (We do not believe in His incarnations).

2) God has no name, no form, no limit. It is impossible to make an
idol of "him". God can be sensed through intuition in the the book of
nature.

3) To worship "him" is to love / adore him and do the things he loves

4) Worship of "him" needs no fixed place or time. "We can adore Him at
any time and at any place, provided that time and that place are
calculated to compose and direct the mind towards Him." There is no
need for gurus, or priests to conduct worship.

5) Do not perform any rites or ceremonies, or believe in penances, as
instrumental in obtaining the grace of God. We declare that moral
righteousness, the gaining of wisdom, Divine contemplation, charity
and the cultivation of devotional feelings, are our rites and
ceremonies. We further say, govern and regulate your feelings,
discharge your duties to God and to man, and you will gain everlasting
blessedness, purify your heart, cultivate devotional feelings, and you
will see Him who is Unseen.

6) Theoretically, there is no distinction of caste. We declare that we
are all the part of God, and, therefore, must consider ourselves as
one.

7) There are no places like heaven or  hell.

8) There is no "soul".

This BTW is pure classical Vedic "Hinduism" and not that corrupt form
which passes for Hinduism today among the popular classes and allows
foreigners to abuse and parody the supposed 33,000 crore godlets and
their gaudy "worship" perpetuated by false priestly classes.

So before making sweeping assumptions/arguments about what most among
human beings believe in, please explain why you disagree with
traditional Indian Vedic beliefs as stated above.

Sarbajit

On Dec 12, 3:37 am, DSouza Wilberious Evanglist
<wileva...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Every country should have a well defined policy. However, consider scores of
> Indians who illegally emigrate to USA Europe  etc. Even India is formed by
> illegal immigration from all over the world over the time immemorial.
>
> Read this:
>
> HAR ZOR ZULLUM KE TAKKAR MEIN, KAAFLE BASTEY GAYE; HINDUSTAAN BANTAA GAYAA!
>
> India  has accepted  with open arms anybody seeking assylum.
>
> About "HINDU BIGOT" let us enlighten ourselves that human beings of different
> ethnicity exist in this world!!! For further enlightenment read the folllowing:
>
> -BLIND BELIEF-DOES GOD EXIST??????!!!!!
>
> Please ponder over these very rational statements.
> Most amongst the human beings believe that God exists.
> For some it is either Brahma, Vishnu or Maheshwar or one of the 399 Gods &
> Goddesses or scores of spirits & ghosts,
> For some, it is Jesus Christ,
> For some it is Allah,
> For some it is Buddha,
> For some it is any of Jain Tirtankars,
> For some any of the Gurus of Sikhism so on & so forth.
> We quarrel amongst ourselves that we are Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Muslims,
> Jains, Buddhists, etc., but, has any God or Goddess revealed himself or herself
> to any one of us to either endorse our quarrel or decry it? Answer is an
> emphatic NO!
> Does any one who dies, return to tell tale about? Answer also is an emphatic NO!
> Is SWARG or NARAK, JANNAT or JEHANNUM, HEAVEN or HELL a large celestial world?
> If YES, how much of it is under control of any of these;
> BRAHMA, VISHNU, MAHESHWAR & 399 GODS & GODDESSES OR ALLAH, JESUS CHRIST, BUDDHA
> ETC., so on & so forth? There is no answer!
>
> If one or some change ones or their faith, which Swarg or Narak,  Jannat or
> Jehnnum, Heaven or Hell that one or those reach? None knows the answer!
>
> Do these Gods & Goddesses retain accounting books with them so that those who
> forsake a faith shall be a debit entry in the forsaken God/Goddess's book and
> credit entry in embraced God/Goddess's book? None knows the answer!
>
> If these Gods/Goddesses are OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPERVADING do they need
> Temples, Mosques, Churches, Basadis, Gompas, Gurudwaras? Answer obviously is an
> emphatic NO!
>
> If these Gods/Goddesses exist, why Allah did not prevent demolition of Babri
> Mosque; why did Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswar & other 399 Gods & Goddesses did not
> prevent the demolition of scores of temples in India & outside after demolition
> of Babri Mosque? Likewise, why Jesus Christ did not prevent demolition of
> churches in history? So much so, the Jain Sikh & Buddhist Gods prevent the
> demolition of the respective places of worships whenever they occurred in the
> history? E.g. Jain temples in Southern India & Buddhist temples in Northern
> India WERE converted to Hindu temples in the late second century A.D. when
> Hinduism usurped trampling Jainism & Buddhism in India ? Any answers? Obviously
> NO!
> Is there any evidence of war or quarrel amongst or conquest of any of the Gods &
> Goddesses by the other? Answer is obviously NO!
>
> Followers of various faiths quarrel among themselves & one another without any
> interference from any of the Gods. Just as in the case of political parties,
> party leaders do not quarrel but, party workers quarrel for the leaders sustain
> injuries & losses. What a paradox! Any reasons? Answer is yet again an emphatic
> NO!
>
> Religions are being used just as political parties trying to create vote bank,
> by Swamis, Mullah's & others, Priests or numerous Godmen & Godwomen prompting
> their followers to quarrel for them.
> Why Gods & Goddesses exist only for Human Beings & not for reptiles, birds &
> Animals? Any answers? Obviously NO!
> In Punarjanm or Reincarnation, cow is one form of Punarjanm. Visualise a Hindu,
> A Muslim, a Christian, a Sikh, A Jain, A Buddhist, so on & so forth having a cow
> each and  if these sell their cows amongst themselves; does the cow sold
> relinquishes worship of God/Goddess of its earlier master/mistress & begin to
> worship God/Goddess of its new master/mistress? Any answers? Obviously NO!
> Which of the Gods/Goddesses the scores of birds, reptiles, animals in jungle
> worship? Any answers? Obviously NO!
> Human beings in the world speak scores of languages. Why these Gods/Goddesses
> standardize the languages spoken by their adorers? Any answers? Obviously NO!
> Sun shines evenly without discrimination upon a Hindu (any sect) Christian (any
> denomination) Muslim( any denomination)  so on & so forth. So does when it
> rains!
> A cat mews identically in a house of a Hindu (any sect) Christian (any
> denomination) Muslim ( any denomination) so on & so forth!
> A cow yields milk & milk alone regardless whether it is in the house of a Hindu
> (any sect) Christian ( any denomination) Muslim( any denomination) so on & so
> forth!
> So does a dog or any other mammal that is reared!
>
> Every Purohit or Bhat, or Priest or Mullah or Sant avers that God always tests a
> devotee by giving him or her testing times & travails to ensure that he/she is
> steadfast in his/her devotion and also those who undergo travails & tribulations
> are ensured happiness in the other world; whereas, to bring the wrongdoer into
> God's fold God is extra benevolent to him/her! What a paradoxical justice! What
> is it anyway; nothing but HUMBUG!
>
> Every faith propagates that the human beings were created by the creator, The
> God! In that case why the Gods created Human speaking different languages,
> different races, skin colour etc.?
> Why the Gods created Humans with uneven distribution of wealth, intellect &
> ability?
> Are so named or called Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Christians, Buddhists
> etc., so on & so forth, denote or connote different ethnic or groups? Answer
> obviously is No!
>
> These are only groups owing allegiance to different schools of thought! Just as
> political parties!
>
> All Gods or Goddesses may at best historical personalities or creation of
> fertile imagination & nothing else!
>
> So, it is futile to build places of worship, e.g. TEMPLES, MOSQUES, CHURCHES,
> GURUDWARAS, JAIN & BUDDISTS TEMPLES so on & so forth & waste resources in
> propitiation, votive offerings etc.,
> All those God-men, God-women, priests, swamis, mullahs etc., exist by
> profession; only a CRAFT to earn one's livelihood! Just as Sanskrit saying;
> UDHARA BHARANUM; BAHUKRITA VESHAM!
>
>
> Further, every religion claims that all humans have a soul but, birds, animals,
> reptiles etc., have none! What a partisan dispensation by the God!!!???
>
> "I helped give birth to three children with the human cloningtechnique, known as
> genetic recoding. It involved two boys and a girl who are nine years old today.
> They were born healthy and they are in excellent health now." said Severino
> Antinori, a prominent gynaecologist, to Oggi, an Italian weekly in an interview
> that appeared on Wednesday, the 4th of February 2009.Do these two boys & one
> girl who were created by Severino Antinorihave souls???!!! Any answers???!!!
>
> In India, recent statistics indicate that about 76% of Indian population subsist
> by earning just Rs. 25 a day. This population also worships different
> Gods/Goddesses, align themselves to varied faiths, pray, offer votives, pay
> obeisance! Alas! None of the Gods/Goddesses have alleviated them from this
> morass or predicament! So why waste time & spend hard earned money in these
> futile exercises?
>
> India, our motherland is so diverse, linguistically, ethnically and
> anthropologically with over 4000 languages about over 1600 religious practices
> and equally large ethnic origins; it can be equated to an extremely large,
> massively grown tree; in the boughs & branches immigrant birds from far and
> wide, genetically & specieally very diverse, have perched and built their nests
> laid eggs in them, incubated them into fledglings which became fully fledged to
> further the genus. This tree, the mother India has sheltered them and offered
> them a habitat & continue to do so without any discrimination on genus & specie!
>
> Hence, no specie of any genus can claim proprietary right on this tree!
> Those countrymen & women who on the basis of religion & God, spread hatred,
> strife, riots, vandalism, loot, unrest, massacre, bloodshed, lawlessness,
> anarchy, economic halt, shredding human fibre to pieces that cannot be rewoven
> into a fabric, are responsible for the tears those are shed from the eyes of
> hapless kith & kins of those who lose their parents, siblings, bread earners
> with gloom staring in their eyes! Let them think for a while & visualize what
> would have been their plight had they encountered similar predicament!
>
> So, in conclusion, none of the human beings have any choice when they are born;
> let human beings live as human beings respecting others right to exist, live,
> pursue a profession, earn livelihood by fair & equitable means, so long as such
> a behaviour does not cause any harm, injury, loss or consternation to others,
> coexisting in this world as human beings, in perfect symbiosis.
>
>
> Regards,
> WEDS

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