Saturday, November 1, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

In continuation of my  mail  initiated on the subject , several concerned citizens have expressed their honest views which deserve to be noted by the judiciary and administration.

It is extremely disturbing to read Mr. P. Sureshan's candid observations   " This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that we have a strong and impartial judiciary" .

There is no doubt that the common man is losing faith that judiciary can be impartial all the time and there will be consistency in the observations of the judges and judgements delivered. Common man is also aware that the judges are appointed atleast at the level of lower courts  not so much based on merits but on political considerations many times. There are already several allegations in this regard.

Persons like Mr. K.G.Balakrishnan and Mr. Dinakaran and others like them who face severe charges have already contributed considerably to shake the faith of the common man that judiciary in India can be depended all the time to save India's interests.

What is particularly painful is that politicians , bureaucrats (largely IAS & IPS officers ) and vested business interests. which include some section of media have  now gained stranglehold over the course of events in the country and millions of common men remain helpless and as mere observers , though common men are the worst hit. We are not even able to believe anymore that all that appear in media ( print and TV media )  are factual and without prejudice.

It appears , in today's conditions , the  judiciary  is certainly positioned to remain as conscience keeper of the country.  But,  several judges are failing to stand up to the expectations.  Many judges may not deserve to be viewed as "holy cows"  anymore.

 Pronouncements and judgements of courts need to be scrutinised much more closely and discussed in seminars, conferences and in public domain  fearlessly.


N.S.Venkataraman
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On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 2:50 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
please read two news reports, I can't find the reason for whole change of mood,,,  except Supreme Court none can understand logic in various SC observations,, Yesterday one important matter was listed before A constitutional court, which will  have direct bearing upon BJP's attempt to form government at Delhi, . During the hearing of argument Judge has received a message from his staff and gone back to his chamber without concluding arguments. We don't know what message he received and what will happen to that matter. This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that "we have a strong and impartial judiciary" 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2811731/Supreme-Court-fumes-L-G-Jung-Centre-failing-end-Delhi-deadlock.html
"Perhaps Delhi's Lieutenant Governor Najeeb Jung expected the Supreme Court to accept the consent letter issued to him by the President, to invite the single largest party in Delhi - the BJP - to form a government. If so, he was wrong.

A bench headed by Chief Justice H.L. Dattu shocked Jung and the BJP by keeping a hold on its decision on the Presidential assent till Thursday, and asking if "the new attempt to explore the possibility of forming a government was another bid to buy time from the Supreme Court". 

"Every time, just before a hearing, the Centre will come out with some statement or letter, but nothing happens. We have given enough time but we are still nowhere. People kept waiting for an elected government. Eight-and-a-half months have gone by. We gave adjournments after adjournments not because the court did not have time to hear the case but to facilitate a solution to the deadlock," an angry Dattu told Additional Solicitor General P.S. Narasimha, who appeared for the Centre and Jung. 

"You want to invite the single largest party. But are they in a position to form the government? We do not want to direct you to do things in a particular way. But in a democratic polity, people have the right to have a government and shall not be endlessly ruled by the President. You do nothing except throw a piece of paper before us just before each hearing," Dattu told Narasimha".


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-10-30/news/55595367_1_lt-governor-najeeb-jung-pervesh-verma-were-government-formation


"The Supreme Court today expressed satisfaction over Lt Governor Najeeb Jung's recent moves to explore the possibility of government formation in Delhi and said that he should be given more time as "there could be a minority government with outside support".

Referring to recent media reports, a five-judge Constitution bench headed by Chief Justice H L Dattu said, "Whatever I have read in newspapers, it appears that the LG has made positive moves." 



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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
If Supreme Court has been honest in their doings , the entire judicial system would have been different . The way they they keep giving dates over dates shows how responsible they are in delivering their judgement. Most of the time they have been toeing the lines of bureaucrats. 

They need to be made transparent , accountable and responsible.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Ranga Rao <dsrangarao@gmail.com> wrote:
No question of doubting the integrity of Supreme Court. A pro-active judiciary at all levels is always welcome, particularly in a country like ours where the political establishment, at times, tends to be so irresponsible and unaccountable. 
The point under debate is why the Hon'ble Supreme Court has demanded again the list of black money hoarders from the government when the same was already stated to have been submitted to it in June last itself.  In wondering so, what i and others of ilk felt was that such queries or arguments from the court side or the plaint side would only add to further delays which are endemic to our judicial system, but not to question the Apex Court at all. As the adage goes that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", eternal vigilance not only by Supreme Court or by a particular organ of the government, but by every citizen, is paramount need of the times to check undue delays and corruption in any walk of life.  Otherwise, what is the use of repeating ad infinitum and ad nauseam that justice delayed is justice denied?


On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Victor Cooper <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If the executive fails to do its job or fails to act when it should or acts illegally, the judiciary will step in .... and that is welcome.

Victor


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The question is why the govt. resisted giving the list to the SC. The govt. was doing parallel investigation and giving amnesty to certain individuals. The SC has stopped that with insistence of giving the list and insisting that all investigation henceforth will be done by the SIT.

On 29 October 2014 12:17, Salil RK <protekmumbai@gmail.com> wrote:
The SC has huge powers. It is custodian of the constitution. Whatever wrongs the executive commits, the SC has powers to nullify the same. It not only interprets the laws but also has to see that justice has be done. The constitution provides sufficient powers to the SC.

On 28 October 2014 20:03, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
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                                                                                    DOES  JUDICIARY  HAVE  UNLIMITED  POWERS ?
 
In recent times, we have come across many instances where judiciary has entertained cases and given ruling , which may not involve any legal issues or any constitutional interpretations and issues which may be purely a matter of administration.
For example, judiciary has given verdict even on such matters like restricting the use of crackers on deepavali festival or  using loud speakers beyond certain hours, which are purely  matters in the domain of administration.  At least some people including some   legal professionals  some times wonder  whether judiciary is exceeding its limits on occasions.
There are also many instances where the judgements of judiciary at various levels do not have consistency , making thinking people wonder as to whether judiciary is providing judgements on the basis of perspectives and prejudices of individual judges , without approaching the issues on the basis  of law and fair practice. For example, the judgement of the judiciary regarding homosexuality have confused people  as to what would be the limits of powers of judiciary and which are the matters which it should entertain.
Obviously, judiciary is having its way , since , by and large, people have lost faith in the credibility of  politicians and bureaucrats  and many people think that politicians and bureaucrats would readily compromise with values and principles in discharging their duties. Under the circumstances, people look upon the judiciary to save them from the misdeeds of politicians and bureaucrats ,  which appear to have made judges think that they have unlimited powers and they are the ultimate  authority.
The recent judgement of the Supreme Court directing Government of India to submit the names of all black money holders abroad has been widely welcomed by the people but the legal pundits may wonder whether Supreme Court has over reached itself in giving this decision  and whether it really  has  the inherent  powers to do so,  as  per the provisions of constitution.
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RE: [IAC#RG] CORRUPT POLITICIAN HAS THE LAST LAUGH AND JUDICIARY BECOME LAUGHING STOCK

See all that you need to understand is that India is in control of hundreds of Mafia and Judicial mafia is the biggest of them because it gives birth to the other Mafia. I do not know the Position in Karnataka but in U.P. there is a unwritten law in banks that they do not approve Loans to Advocates. Why? How many of your Lawyers give you any Receipts for the money you pay them? Now from these same set of deplorable Advocates you get your Judges. So do not be carried away by the shining black Robes worn by the Judges because under these Shiny Judges  it is just another crook engaged simply in promotion of his career  enjoying immunity from almost everything and pretending to dispense Justice although in India Justice is done in aly one case out of a thousand and that too only after the introduction of the Collegium system. THE JUDICIARY OF INDIA has always been and still Is GOVERNMENT's HAREM and the Judges are the GOVERNMENT's CONCUBINES Dancing free for the GOVERNMENT and for a price for the rich & powerful. The One in a Thousand Cases seemingly decided in Public Interest is only a trailer to play to the media while actually the Godown is rotting with millions of undecided and wrongly decided cases.
Robby Sharma
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:57:30 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CORRUPT POLITICIAN HAS THE LAST LAUGH AND JUDICIARY BECOME LAUGHING STOCK

Mr Mohanachandran appears to be the Devil's Advocate. He forgets that Jayalalita has been convicted by the Court and is NOT undertrial. His personal happiness at her release is what sycophancy is all about. In fact such sycophants are the stepping stones of corruption, as after scores of sycophants have glorified the criminals, they actually start believing that they are Gods themselves! As far as Amma is concerned she does not want to even see anyone who is not her sycophant!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:
Mrs.Indira Gandhi's election was set aside by Allahabad High Court for electoral malpractice.Justice Krishna Iyer,granted stay of the judgement.This facilitated Mrs Gandhi to get the Representation of Peoples' Act amended with retrospective effect so that spending money over and above the stipulated limit even by a recognised party which was an electoral malpractice ceased to be a malpractice resulting in the Allahabad High Court judgement getting reversed.We cannot rule out the possibility of the Prevention of Corruption Act getting amended excluding members of Legislatures from the clutches of the law.As Lalluji.Jayalalithaji and OmPrkash Choutalaji are presently not able to 'remote control' the Central Government, Prevention of Corruption Act may not be amended to save them.They may have to work out their remedy before the Appellate Courts.If a politician receives gifts and become a Billionaire with such gifts,he can not be proceeded under  Prevention of Corruption Act in view of the change in law brought in to save some Big  politicians who were able to remote control the then Government at the Centre.Till the accused persons (whether politician or otherwise) exhaust the last chance of Appeal,let us not treat them as criminal.In Tamilnadu there is objection to to keeping of Jayalalithaji's portraits in public offices.As per the existing guidelines portraits of some leaders like Gandhiji,Arinjar Anna and serving CM can be kept in public Offices.TN Government can amend the guidelines to include former CMs in the list so that the controversy can be avoided.Ofcourse Karunanidhiji's portrait too can be kept in such a situation.As a person born and living in Tamilnadu ,I am extremely happy that Jayalalithaji was allowed to comeout on bail.When she was in Jail,each day was a nightmare for us.
P.Mohana Chandran,



On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
Even though there is no presumption of innocence after conviction so long as an appeal provided by law due to experience of coviction being found to be erroneous in many cases there is no presumption of guilt also and therefore grant of bail pending appeal has to be fairly liberal.

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Dear Kirity Roy
Get your facts clear. In the present case the ACCUSED person has been already tried and found GUILTY and therefore the person is no more an accused but a CONVICT. Unlike the parameters to be considered while granting bail to an accused person/s parameters to grant bail to a convicted person are different

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Kirity Roy <kirityroy@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do agree with the understanding of Mr. Shanti Bhushan. 
Accused person in a criminal trial should not be treated as guilty. It is the duty of prosecution (State) to prove him / her guilty before the court. 
Are we going to establish "presumption of guilt" in he tune of police / state ?? Are we going deny "Right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty" ?? 

At the same time I must support strongly the main message of Mr. N S Venkataraman of Nandini Voice. 

On 21 October 2014 21:52, Shanti Bhushan <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not see any objection to the grant of bail pending appeal provided it is conditional on the appeal being quickly heard and decided.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

I have said it before and saying it again that we need to resume our action plan by going back to the drawing board. We need to relentlessly go all over the social net work sites, carry out Dharnas as also go back to the supreme court with a fire brand lawyer like RamJethmalani or Subramanyam Swamy who can beat all powerfull Jaitley and Babu lobby in their game plan of denying our rightful OROP. We also need to align with opposition leaders to hound the Govt to get our dues. Jai Hind.

On Nov 2, 2014 9:26 AM, "Jagjit Ahuja" <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
A newspaper of the stature of The Hindu  has reported this  news in a most damaging manner.This need to be condemned. However the blame goes to Modi who has been made to keep his mouth shut on this issue by his bosses , the bureaucracy-the babus.

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Dear Sirs,

It looks a though babus are feeding false reports to the media and the media is lapping it. The Chiefs should be appraised of this and they should issue a statement giving correct facts. How could the defence budget have gone up because of OROP when nothing has been given. The babus are drumming up support against OROP? 

Please visit:

One rank, one pension scheme pushes up defence pension bill


The implementation of one rank, one pension has pushed up the Centre's defence pension payments by a record 40 per cent, posing fresh challenges to Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley's resolve to keep the Centre's fiscal deficit within the budgetary target of 4.1 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product.
The armed forces pensions bill for the first six months of the current fiscal, from April to September, has turned out to be about Rs. 8,000 crore higher than for the corresponding period last year. Mr. Jaitley had provided only Rs. 1,000 crore for the whole year towards the scheme in the Budget he presented on July 10. The Finance Ministry is revising upwards its Budget estimate for the outgo on account of the scheme that benefits nearly 24 lakh pensioners of the armed forces.
The defence pensions bill for 2014-15 can be roughly expected to go up by about Rs. 16,000 crore over last year's, the source said. The Budget estimated defence pensions during 2014-15 to be Rs. 50,966.95 crore as against Rs. 44,475.95 crore the previous year.
The austerity measures do not cover pensions and the challenge for Mr. Jaitley will be to find fresh resources for the rapidly rising bill.
"Defence pensions payments normally do not go up so drastically. Though some increase was expected on account of the new scheme, the rise is turning out to be manifold," the source said.
One rank, one pension means soldiers of the same rank and the same length of service get the same pension, irrespective of their retirement date.
The decision to implement the scheme was first announced by former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram in the UPA government's interim Budget he had presented in February this year. Mr. Chidambaram had allocated Rs. 500 crore for it. "This decision will be implemented prospectively from the financial year 2014-15," he had said while presenting the vote on account ahead of the elections.
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Re: [IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

I think we are missing something here. The court especially the SC acts only when it has been petitioned on an issue. It can some time take suo moto cognisance of an issue, like it did in the case of the police action against Baba Ram Dev at Ram Lilla ground, otherwise it does not interfere.. If an issue has public interest implications, or a petition on a matter law and its interpretation or simply a case of social injustice etc. People turn to the SC for redress.  Devinder
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If Supreme Court has been honest in their doings , the entire judicial system would have been different . The way they they keep giving dates over dates shows how responsible they are in delivering their judgement. Most of the time they have been toeing the lines of bureaucrats. 

They need to be made transparent , accountable and responsible.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Ranga Rao <dsrangarao@gmail.com> wrote:
No question of doubting the integrity of Supreme Court. A pro-active judiciary at all levels is always welcome, particularly in a country like ours where the political establishment, at times, tends to be so irresponsible and unaccountable. 
The point under debate is why the Hon'ble Supreme Court has demanded again the list of black money hoarders from the government when the same was already stated to have been submitted to it in June last itself.  In wondering so, what i and others of ilk felt was that such queries or arguments from the court side or the plaint side would only add to further delays which are endemic to our judicial system, but not to question the Apex Court at all. As the adage goes that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", eternal vigilance not only by Supreme Court or by a particular organ of the government, but by every citizen, is paramount need of the times to check undue delays and corruption in any walk of life.  Otherwise, what is the use of repeating ad infinitum and ad nauseam that justice delayed is justice denied?


On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Victor Cooper <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If the executive fails to do its job or fails to act when it should or acts illegally, the judiciary will step in .... and that is welcome.

Victor

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The question is why the govt. resisted giving the list to the SC. The govt. was doing parallel investigation and giving amnesty to certain individuals. The SC has stopped that with insistence of giving the list and insisting that all investigation henceforth will be done by the SIT.

On 29 October 2014 12:17, Salil RK <protekmumbai@gmail.com> wrote:
The SC has huge powers. It is custodian of the constitution. Whatever wrongs the executive commits, the SC has powers to nullify the same. It not only interprets the laws but also has to see that justice has be done. The constitution provides sufficient powers to the SC.

On 28 October 2014 20:03, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
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                                                                                    DOES  JUDICIARY  HAVE  UNLIMITED  POWERS ?
 
In recent times, we have come across many instances where judiciary has entertained cases and given ruling , which may not involve any legal issues or any constitutional interpretations and issues which may be purely a matter of administration.
For example, judiciary has given verdict even on such matters like restricting the use of crackers on deepavali festival or  using loud speakers beyond certain hours, which are purely  matters in the domain of administration.  At least some people including some   legal professionals  some times wonder  whether judiciary is exceeding its limits on occasions.
There are also many instances where the judgements of judiciary at various levels do not have consistency , making thinking people wonder as to whether judiciary is providing judgements on the basis of perspectives and prejudices of individual judges , without approaching the issues on the basis  of law and fair practice. For example, the judgement of the judiciary regarding homosexuality have confused people  as to what would be the limits of powers of judiciary and which are the matters which it should entertain.
Obviously, judiciary is having its way , since , by and large, people have lost faith in the credibility of  politicians and bureaucrats  and many people think that politicians and bureaucrats would readily compromise with values and principles in discharging their duties. Under the circumstances, people look upon the judiciary to save them from the misdeeds of politicians and bureaucrats ,  which appear to have made judges think that they have unlimited powers and they are the ultimate  authority.
The recent judgement of the Supreme Court directing Government of India to submit the names of all black money holders abroad has been widely welcomed by the people but the legal pundits may wonder whether Supreme Court has over reached itself in giving this decision  and whether it really  has  the inherent  powers to do so,  as  per the provisions of constitution.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: false reporting on OROP

Are Chiefs sleeping ? They are toeing what counts to them. Weak and self serving 
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Subject: false reporting on OROP

Dear Sirs,

It looks a though babus are feeding false reports to the media and the media is lapping it. The Chiefs should be appraised of this and they should issue a statement giving correct facts. How could the defence budget have gone up because of OROP when nothing has been given. The babus are drumming up support against OROP? 

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One rank, one pension scheme pushes up defence pension bill


The implementation of one rank, one pension has pushed up the Centre's defence pension payments by a record 40 per cent, posing fresh challenges to Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley's resolve to keep the Centre's fiscal deficit within the budgetary target of 4.1 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product.
The armed forces pensions bill for the first six months of the current fiscal, from April to September, has turned out to be about Rs. 8,000 crore higher than for the corresponding period last year. Mr. Jaitley had provided only Rs. 1,000 crore for the whole year towards the scheme in the Budget he presented on July 10. The Finance Ministry is revising upwards its Budget estimate for the outgo on account of the scheme that benefits nearly 24 lakh pensioners of the armed forces.
The defence pensions bill for 2014-15 can be roughly expected to go up by about Rs. 16,000 crore over last year's, the source said. The Budget estimated defence pensions during 2014-15 to be Rs. 50,966.95 crore as against Rs. 44,475.95 crore the previous year.
The austerity measures do not cover pensions and the challenge for Mr. Jaitley will be to find fresh resources for the rapidly rising bill.
"Defence pensions payments normally do not go up so drastically. Though some increase was expected on account of the new scheme, the rise is turning out to be manifold," the source said.
One rank, one pension means soldiers of the same rank and the same length of service get the same pension, irrespective of their retirement date.
The decision to implement the scheme was first announced by former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram in the UPA government's interim Budget he had presented in February this year. Mr. Chidambaram had allocated Rs. 500 crore for it. "This decision will be implemented prospectively from the financial year 2014-15," he had said while presenting the vote on account ahead of the elections.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Fed up with Investment Advice e-mailers

Dear Chief-- Shri Sarbajit ji,

Very well said, Sire. Love of money/cash at that, makes the very best among us, unfortunately, ignore the ideals we have had in life, before retirement.
(It may come from the pressures of buying a house, or marrying a daughter...or whatever, BUT in the long run, we must protect ALL interests, esp. of the family.)

In Gurgaon, there have been cases of individuals, pretty well placed, well educated, but after retirement, handing over their half-a-crore or crores, to such ones working in a Bank, on the quiet, etc. and then getting cheated--lock,stock and barrel & then left in the cold.  (You & others must have read about all that in the past 6 years.)

Your emailed advice and reference to the subject ought to get a larger number of people getting to know how to suppress the urge to ``get rich over-night...``

All the time, treachery and deceit take over. LESS is more, before all is lost! 

Warm regards.
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On 1 November 2014 11:44, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Ramani

As the highly complex investment algorithms being used by Intelligent Investment Methods were developed by me and are maintained by them in Ahmedabad with expensive servers and engineers, I can only say that on a Rs. 20 lakhs investment corpus even a 2% boost over a Bank FD covers the annual cost.

I am amazed that so many retirees (especially faujis) are the victims of Ponzi artists and Company Fixed Deposit / NCD racketeers (brokers who are only interested in their commissions).

For the sake of notional 2 or 3% higher return from FDs it seems bizarre that persons trusted with defending the nation's border after retirement will trust their life savings to some opaque 3rd party for a long lock-in period instead of investing it themselves and in their own name in a highly liquid, encashable and "safe" way.

Sarbajit



On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Defence Review <india.defence.review@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit

Many many thanks for the details of the Intelligent Investment Methods, Ahmedabad system.

I completely agree with you that "Return of Capital" is more important than "Return on Capital" and that average compounded tax free returns of 18-22% is the best that can be achieved safely for the investor in Indian context, especially for the retirees.

The only difficulty is that the inventor's annual fees are Rs. 48,000 p.a.per account which does not make sense for a small investor account with 20 to 50 lakhs

Lt. Col (Retd) Ramani
Karnataka


On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear IAC members

Apparently many members of this list, and some other RTI mailing lists, are regularly receiving emails from financial consultants.

for eg. a Mumbai based investors network of social activists etc. claims past returns ranging from 36% to 72% per annum since 2012 (with the caveat that returns going forward are likely to be significantly lower).

Attractive titles typically used in the emails (I've used the Mumbai network's titles for convenience) run like this:-

  • Just 15 minutes to reshape your investment scientifically
  • Revealed: A system of actually buying more at market lows
  • Investing Success Comes From The Right Method
  • Warning: Don't make this fatal investing mistake
  • Stop wasting time knowing about financial products.
  • Is Investing That Simple?
  • How to fix your finances without ruining your weekends

Being curious, I decided to ask them more about it with a pointed question like :-

I'm very seriously interested in this and would like to compare your program versus my own investment algorithms, My code / data is also from 2002 when the NIFTY essentially started. Could you give me the weekly / monthly  buy /sell calls generated by your Investment tool without benefit of back testing.since 2002. - Sarbajit Roy, New Delhi.

Usually, they had no reply except to say I should first subscribe to their "system" to know more about it.

Now it is very likely that due to broker nexus and insider trading / tips etc. spectacular results / returns can be generated for a few years.

However, do your due diligence thoroughly, since it seems that public email lists like ours are being scraped for email IDs and especially ex-faujis and retirees etc .are being tempted with unsustainable returns.

PS: If anyone has invested in such schemes, please contact me off-list.

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Sonia Gandhi is still NAC Chairperson ???

Hi Sarabjit,

Technically you are right. What remains to be ascertained is what is factually correct.
  • If SG is appointed only as Chairperson, technically her appointment as member is not made? She is not member of NAC?
  • Does NAC exist on Govt. record on 01 June 2014 or with none of its member & Sonia only as Chairperson, NAC stands dissolved?
  • Whether SG continues to be treated as holding cabinet rank, deriving salary & perks?
  • What happened to NAC records? Who holds NAC records in its custody from 01 June 2014?
  • NAC appointment was by presidential order. Who is liable to determine whether or not NAC or its sole Chairperson survived post termination of UPA Govt.?
Enjoy.

On 1 November 2014 10:16, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi

Let me clarify:

1) WIKIPEDIA (by its own definition) is not a reliable source for
anything. Wikipedia (like Google) is actually just a Western
propaganda machine, and is financed by pornography and child
pornography distribution which enables it to spread its lies. Another
source of finance for it are the huge "ransomware" Wikipedia's cabals
of professional editors and admins extort to write favorable articles
about people / persons.

2) The NAC website is still functioning and in the present tense. This
link contains most of the relevant memos
(http://nac.nic.in/pdf/nac_constitution.pdf). These notifications were
only put up after I chased them to do so in RTI (sec. 4).

3) The first NAC in 2004 was for a specific purpose - overseeing
NDA-1's Common Minimum Program, and providing policy inputs for Govt's
legislative business. Sonia was appointed Chairperson and the members
were for 1 year terms (extendible). Sonia resigned in 2006 for the
"Office of Profit" controversy and the lameduck NAC "ceased to exist"
on 31.March.2008.

4) On 29.March.2010, another NAC was constituted in pursuance of the
2004 order, and with Sonia as Chairperson. Om the same day another
order was issued stating that Chairperson's term of office is
"coterminus" with NAC's or "until further orders" and she will hold
Cabinet rank. The terms of the members continued to be 1 year
(extendible).

5) In 2013 additional OMs were issued for the terms of its members
mentioning their terms would be "coterminus with that of the present
government". This is only for the members and not for the terms of the
NAC or Chairperson.

6) So until further orders are issued / placed in public domain, the
NAC exists and Sonia is still its Chairperson with status of Cabinet
Minister. Hence the still functioning website and its RTI disclosure

Sarbajit








On 10/31/14, theOtherSide <theotherside1988@gmail.com> wrote:
>   googled "national advisory council" and http://nac.nic.in/ is in the
> present tense.  However,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Advisory_Council is uptodate!
>
> Need to clarify further.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While most of India thought that the Gandhis (which included "Vadras")
>> would slink away to some pleasant Caribbean beach to spend their
>> trillions, IAC decided to investigate when exactly Sonia Gandhi gave
>> up advising the Prime Minister
>>
>> The official answer we received in RTI (attached) is that the NAC is
>> still a Committee of the PMO, that Ms. Sonia Gandhi is still its
>> Chairperson, and that the Prime Minister of India and the BJP Govt
>> still calls on the Queen for advice.
>>
>> God save India.!!!!
>>
>> Official Links to NAC's RTI reply to IAC  :-
>> http://nac.nic.in/members/soniagandhi.php
>> http://nac.nic.in/secretriat.php

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Re: [IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

please read two news reports, I can't find the reason for whole change of mood,,,  except Supreme Court none can understand logic in various SC observations,, Yesterday one important matter was listed before A constitutional court, which will  have direct bearing upon BJP's attempt to form government at Delhi, . During the hearing of argument Judge has received a message from his staff and gone back to his chamber without concluding arguments. We don't know what message he received and what will happen to that matter. This is our fate , adjust with it, but don't try to tell that "we have a strong and impartial judiciary" 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2811731/Supreme-Court-fumes-L-G-Jung-Centre-failing-end-Delhi-deadlock.html
"Perhaps Delhi's Lieutenant Governor Najeeb Jung expected the Supreme Court to accept the consent letter issued to him by the President, to invite the single largest party in Delhi - the BJP - to form a government. If so, he was wrong.

A bench headed by Chief Justice H.L. Dattu shocked Jung and the BJP by keeping a hold on its decision on the Presidential assent till Thursday, and asking if “the new attempt to explore the possibility of forming a government was another bid to buy time from the Supreme Court”. 

“Every time, just before a hearing, the Centre will come out with some statement or letter, but nothing happens. We have given enough time but we are still nowhere. People kept waiting for an elected government. Eight-and-a-half months have gone by. We gave adjournments after adjournments not because the court did not have time to hear the case but to facilitate a solution to the deadlock,” an angry Dattu told Additional Solicitor General P.S. Narasimha, who appeared for the Centre and Jung. 

“You want to invite the single largest party. But are they in a position to form the government? We do not want to direct you to do things in a particular way. But in a democratic polity, people have the right to have a government and shall not be endlessly ruled by the President. You do nothing except throw a piece of paper before us just before each hearing,” Dattu told Narasimha".


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-10-30/news/55595367_1_lt-governor-najeeb-jung-pervesh-verma-were-government-formation


"The Supreme Court today expressed satisfaction over Lt Governor Najeeb Jung's recent moves to explore the possibility of government formation in Delhi and said that he should be given more time as "there could be a minority government with outside support".

Referring to recent media reports, a five-judge Constitution bench headed by Chief Justice H L Dattu said, "Whatever I have read in newspapers, it appears that the LG has made positive moves." 



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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:
If Supreme Court has been honest in their doings , the entire judicial system would have been different . The way they they keep giving dates over dates shows how responsible they are in delivering their judgement. Most of the time they have been toeing the lines of bureaucrats. 

They need to be made transparent , accountable and responsible.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Ranga Rao <dsrangarao@gmail.com> wrote:
No question of doubting the integrity of Supreme Court. A pro-active judiciary at all levels is always welcome, particularly in a country like ours where the political establishment, at times, tends to be so irresponsible and unaccountable. 
The point under debate is why the Hon'ble Supreme Court has demanded again the list of black money hoarders from the government when the same was already stated to have been submitted to it in June last itself.  In wondering so, what i and others of ilk felt was that such queries or arguments from the court side or the plaint side would only add to further delays which are endemic to our judicial system, but not to question the Apex Court at all. As the adage goes that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", eternal vigilance not only by Supreme Court or by a particular organ of the government, but by every citizen, is paramount need of the times to check undue delays and corruption in any walk of life.  Otherwise, what is the use of repeating ad infinitum and ad nauseam that justice delayed is justice denied?


On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Victor Cooper <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
If the executive fails to do its job or fails to act when it should or acts illegally, the judiciary will step in .... and that is welcome.

Victor


From: Salil RK <protekmumbai@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] DOES JUDICIARY HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS ?

The question is why the govt. resisted giving the list to the SC. The govt. was doing parallel investigation and giving amnesty to certain individuals. The SC has stopped that with insistence of giving the list and insisting that all investigation henceforth will be done by the SIT.

On 29 October 2014 12:17, Salil RK <protekmumbai@gmail.com> wrote:
The SC has huge powers. It is custodian of the constitution. Whatever wrongs the executive commits, the SC has powers to nullify the same. It not only interprets the laws but also has to see that justice has be done. The constitution provides sufficient powers to the SC.

On 28 October 2014 20:03, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
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                                                                                    DOES  JUDICIARY  HAVE  UNLIMITED  POWERS ?
 
In recent times, we have come across many instances where judiciary has entertained cases and given ruling , which may not involve any legal issues or any constitutional interpretations and issues which may be purely a matter of administration.
For example, judiciary has given verdict even on such matters like restricting the use of crackers on deepavali festival or  using loud speakers beyond certain hours, which are purely  matters in the domain of administration.  At least some people including some   legal professionals  some times wonder  whether judiciary is exceeding its limits on occasions.
There are also many instances where the judgements of judiciary at various levels do not have consistency , making thinking people wonder as to whether judiciary is providing judgements on the basis of perspectives and prejudices of individual judges , without approaching the issues on the basis  of law and fair practice. For example, the judgement of the judiciary regarding homosexuality have confused people  as to what would be the limits of powers of judiciary and which are the matters which it should entertain.
Obviously, judiciary is having its way , since , by and large, people have lost faith in the credibility of  politicians and bureaucrats  and many people think that politicians and bureaucrats would readily compromise with values and principles in discharging their duties. Under the circumstances, people look upon the judiciary to save them from the misdeeds of politicians and bureaucrats ,  which appear to have made judges think that they have unlimited powers and they are the ultimate  authority.
The recent judgement of the Supreme Court directing Government of India to submit the names of all black money holders abroad has been widely welcomed by the people but the legal pundits may wonder whether Supreme Court has over reached itself in giving this decision  and whether it really  has  the inherent  powers to do so,  as  per the provisions of constitution.
N.S.Venkataraman
Nandini Voice For The Deprived
Twitter : @nsvchennai
 

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