Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

1. What is wrong in what Sarbajit had written ? Have you read Justice Sawant report about Anna Hazare ? Being originally from near Ahmednagar I can confidently say that Anna Hazare is exactly as described and is nowadays fully in the the control of his staff who are accepting money from some well known scoundrels for using Anna for wrong causes and also extrorting money, blackmailing, land-grabbing, indulging in goondaism etc..

https://we.riseup.net/assets/115932/ANNA%28PB+SAWANT+REPORT%29.pdf

2. The appointment committee you describe for Lokpal has not worked in case of CBI, CVC or CIC etc. so no chance it will work for Lokpal monster

3. You were known to be an upright and efficient officer in railways, so why you are suggesting for Lokpal now is not clear when it is just another delaying tactic to prevent true revolution (Kranti) in India.

RP Dalvi

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:19 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
 1. What has been stated now about Anna Hazare did not warrant the language that was used originally, to which I had objected.
2. It is surprising that 'India Against Corruption' does not want Lok Pal to control corruption at higher level only because some multinationals also want such corruption to end. Appointment of Lok Pal is required to be done by a committee of PM, Leader of Opposition, CJM etc. You mean to suggest that these people are controlled by MNC's and have to appoint Lok Pals as per MNC's choice. What a flight of imagination ! For Anna Hazare's Ram Leela Ground crowd, RSS provided the logistics. Now the BJP Govt controlled by them fails to appoint the Lok Pal.
3. Right for information has been rendered impotent not by judiciary but by Politician - bureaucrat nexus, which has diluted the rules, not appointed all/proper personnel in RTI organisation, give reasons like 'security of the country' in enquiries like that on demonetisation- all to avoid responsibility for wrong / biased decisions.

R.N.Malhotra




From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Mr. Malhotra

1. Mr Anna Hazare's funding sources and his vested interferences in public processes is very well documented by Supreme Court judges. eg the Justice Sawant inquiry commission report, and Adv. M.L. Sharma's SC PIL. It is thus well known that Mr. Hazare accepts money directly or indirectly for providing various services. Recently (ie. in the past 5 years) he has become increasingly blind to the dubious antecedent of his sponsors and most of the trustees in his BVJA andolan are extremely dissatisfied with Hazare and the BVJA is dead in the water for all practical purposes. Although Mr. Hazare does not (apparently) accumulate money personally, there are no dearth of trusts he controls which take care of his personal expenses (and those of his secretarial staff). These trusts had mostly failed to comply with their statutory filing obligations, thereby causing Adv. Manohar Lal Sharma to get the Supreme Court to intervene.

2. The LokPal (Anti-Corruption Ombudsman) scheme is very well known to be a World Bank devised scheme to allow US MNCs to operate in 3rd world countries where bribes are the order of the day. The MNCs are bound by fairly stringent regulations in their home country. The LokPals thus serve a dual purpose of (a) providing a fig-leaf that an antri-corruption regime is in place in the client country and (b) by ensuring that their hand-picked people are appointed as Lokpals, these MNCs can use their hand-picked NGOs to file motivated "corruption" complaints against honest / inconvenient public servants.

3. Insofar as generating fear or control over corrupt bureaucrats and politicans are concerned, these bourgeoisie know by now how to circumvent all these eyewash "mouse traps" which catch only the small fry and let the big fish escape. Their preferred instrument is the Judiciary (the most corrupt and deliberately inefficient body in India) which has rendered powerful laws like Right to Information impotent. In these circumstances the only thing which the corrupt really fear is the cult of the bullet and bomb which the HRA scrupulously observes. For, as a wise leader of a bordering country wrote - "(Political) power grows out from the barrel of a gun" ... " politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed".

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:16 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 It will be interesting to know how much money/assets Anna Hazare has accumulated by "doing anything for a fee".

You are saying Lok Pal is required only because World Bank wants it !. I am not able to make out what interest World Bank has in a Lok Pal Bill and whether the core committee of IAC is interested that no Lok Pal is required and the top Politicians and top bureaucrats should have no fear or control and be free to continue with their (corrupt) practices.

R.N.Malhotra




From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Shri Malhotra,

Thanks for highlighting what you deemed as unverified / scandalous portions in one of my earlier emails. ie.

Anna Hazare was (and still is) an actor for hire who will say and do anything for a fee.

Incidentally, Kejriwal was not interested in politics till April 2012. All he wanted was to get the World Bank dictated Lokpal Bill (Ombudsman Act) implemented for which he was being handsomely paid in crores by World Bank, CIA and through some George Soros linked front organisations.

Since I and some other core committee members of IAC know the internal dynamics of the IAC movement between 2007 till 2012 involving these persons, I do not feel inclined to change my opinion of them in any way.

You may verify that IAC's core committee knows these people for many years
eg: (May 2007) - Photos from IAC private archives by Veeresh Malik (co-Convenor IAC)









Furthermore, anything we have to say about Mr. Anna Hazare is usually first communicated to his office (his official email ID) as well as by telephone calls to his personal staff (for Mr. Anna Hazare's own good), which are duly acknowledged to us by them. Also, some of the more innocuous emails have been shared with IAC's subscribers in interest of transparency (eg. role of Moen Quereshi with certain peoiple very close to Annaji at certain times in his life saga).

http://humjanege.blogspot.in/2 016/11/iacrg-more-outstanding- issues-to-be.html

Sarbajit Roy

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:05 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 Issue raised by me has been sidestepped. Please read again the sentences in the mail of 20th May converted to bold letters in coloured font. Forum is being misused by using such unwarranted and unjustified language.

R.N.Malhotra



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Sir

I, as one of the moderators, would be very interested in knowing which parts of my impugned message you found scandalous, improbable etc. and why ?

I repeat and reiterate my opinion that the present day higher judiciary along with their system, of "officers of the court" (ie. advocates) is probably the most corrupt institution of India and the reason India is in such a mess today. They are answerable to nobody, they are self appointing and self-serving, utterly resistant to transparency, essentially a law unto themselves and the fees being paid today to the so-called designated senior advocates are a public scandal (eg. alleged Rs. 3.2 crore legal bill for Ram Jethmalani to defend Arvind Kejriwal) leading us in civil society to apprehend that perhaps portions of these scandalous fees find its way back to the judges they appear before so thyat litigation piles up as court dates (taarikh pe taarikh pe taarikh) are given at the drop of a hat

Actually, I recall in one of our RTIs filed to the Delhi High Court a few years back in 2013 I came across an instance of a sitting judge "bribing" another sitting judge, and after 2 hotly contested appeals hearings the Delhi High Court RTI Appellate officer eventually gave me a certified copy of the document in question (the kuccha copy already being with me) whereupon I was able to get the receipient judge transferred out (but not dismissed because the procedure is too cumbersome and impossible).

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:43 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 I am surprised that moderators permit such scandalous, unverified, improbable and imaginary accusations to be circulated amongst people of IAC#RG. Many of the writers seem to have their own dreams that they pen down the next day for circulation.

R.N.Malhotra



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Shri Gaur

All these 3 parties - BJP, AAP and Congress are corrupt. So it makes no difference who is in which party.

Actually, The real cause of India's corruption  is its corrupt higher judiciary and court system where the corruptors and corruptees find easy relief and refuge.

It is now time for citizens to demand their rights and governance and establish who is working (or not working) for them.

Kejriwal never had any respect for Hazare which was only for the TV cameras. Plus Anna Hazare was (and still is) an actor for hire who will say and do anything for a fee.

Incidentally, Kejriwal was not interested in politics till April 2012. All he wanted was to get the World Bank dictated Lokpal Bill (Ombudsman Act) implemented for which he was being handsomely paid in crores by World Bank, CIA and through some George Soros linked front organisations.

Sarbajit

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
19/5/17 
If AK expels all from Congress and BJP what will be left with AAP? May be some with left idology as in Punjab or Educated but unemployed/unemployables with aspirations to be leaders or from builders lobby to cover up their tracks. But none of them with any experience of governance and yesmen for AK.
Whatever your view is of Anna Hazare, the fact remains that AK had accepted him as his Guru and acquired the public face through that Aandolan. What was AK,s political/public persona till then?
J,K, Gaur
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP
 
While the well known corruption within Aam Aadmi Party is slowly emerging, you are overlooking the far larger corruption in the BJP.

When will we have a similar post/s about Narendra Modi, Nitin Gadkari, Venkiah Naidu, Piyush Goyal etc

You must look at this in the larger context of BJP and Congress being old allies in corruption..





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Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Corruption has seeped in every organ of State and Society. Targetting all would be dissipating public focus and effort. If only the Higher Judiciary is washed clean and salvaged from this cancer of corruption, rest will fall in line. 

The entire legal system of India stands bequeathed to the rich and powerful today. Corrupt judges are indulging in immoral/illegal practices so audaciously because the process of impeachment is impracticable. They have placed themselves above law. 

Get the corrupt judges to the gelotine first and everything in governance - politicians, bureaucracy, police, crime-crony wheeling-dealing - will transform magnificiently. 

I said exposed much more glaring things in my latest book "Crime Academy" available at www.turningpointpublishers.com, amazon.in and flipkart.com.  

Regards, 

Karan Kharb 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: "ravindra malhotra(via indiaresists Mailing List)" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: 19/06/2017 21:19 (GMT+05:30)
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net, sroy.mb@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

 1. What has been stated now about Anna Hazare did not warrant the language that was used originally, to which I had objected.
2. It is surprising that 'India Against Corruption' does not want Lok Pal to control corruption at higher level only because some multinationals also want such corruption to end. Appointment of Lok Pal is required to be done by a committee of PM, Leader of Opposition, CJM etc. You mean to suggest that these people are controlled by MNC's and have to appoint Lok Pals as per MNC's choice. What a flight of imagination ! For Anna Hazare's Ram Leela Ground crowd, RSS provided the logistics. Now the BJP Govt controlled by them fails to appoint the Lok Pal.
3. Right for information has been rendered impotent not by judiciary but by Politician - bureaucrat nexus, which has diluted the rules, not appointed all/proper personnel in RTI organisation, give reasons like 'security of the country' in enquiries like that on demonetisation- all to avoid responsibility for wrong / biased decisions.

R.N.Malhotra




From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Mr. Malhotra

1. Mr Anna Hazare's funding sources and his vested interferences in public processes is very well documented by Supreme Court judges. eg the Justice Sawant inquiry commission report, and Adv. M.L. Sharma's SC PIL. It is thus well known that Mr. Hazare accepts money directly or indirectly for providing various services. Recently (ie. in the past 5 years) he has become increasingly blind to the dubious antecedent of his sponsors and most of the trustees in his BVJA andolan are extremely dissatisfied with Hazare and the BVJA is dead in the water for all practical purposes. Although Mr. Hazare does not (apparently) accumulate money personally, there are no dearth of trusts he controls which take care of his personal expenses (and those of his secretarial staff). These trusts had mostly failed to comply with their statutory filing obligations, thereby causing Adv. Manohar Lal Sharma to get the Supreme Court to intervene.

2. The LokPal (Anti-Corruption Ombudsman) scheme is very well known to be a World Bank devised scheme to allow US MNCs to operate in 3rd world countries where bribes are the order of the day. The MNCs are bound by fairly stringent regulations in their home country. The LokPals thus serve a dual purpose of (a) providing a fig-leaf that an antri-corruption regime is in place in the client country and (b) by ensuring that their hand-picked people are appointed as Lokpals, these MNCs can use their hand-picked NGOs to file motivated "corruption" complaints against honest / inconvenient public servants.

3. Insofar as generating fear or control over corrupt bureaucrats and politicans are concerned, these bourgeoisie know by now how to circumvent all these eyewash "mouse traps" which catch only the small fry and let the big fish escape. Their preferred instrument is the Judiciary (the most corrupt and deliberately inefficient body in India) which has rendered powerful laws like Right to Information impotent. In these circumstances the only thing which the corrupt really fear is the cult of the bullet and bomb which the HRA scrupulously observes. For, as a wise leader of a bordering country wrote - "(Political) power grows out from the barrel of a gun" ... " politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed".

Sarbajit Roy
National Convenor

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:16 AM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 It will be interesting to know how much money/assets Anna Hazare has accumulated by "doing anything for a fee".

You are saying Lok Pal is required only because World Bank wants it !. I am not able to make out what interest World Bank has in a Lok Pal Bill and whether the core committee of IAC is interested that no Lok Pal is required and the top Politicians and top bureaucrats should have no fear or control and be free to continue with their (corrupt) practices.

R.N.Malhotra




From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Shri Malhotra,

Thanks for highlighting what you deemed as unverified / scandalous portions in one of my earlier emails. ie.

Anna Hazare was (and still is) an actor for hire who will say and do anything for a fee.

Incidentally, Kejriwal was not interested in politics till April 2012. All he wanted was to get the World Bank dictated Lokpal Bill (Ombudsman Act) implemented for which he was being handsomely paid in crores by World Bank, CIA and through some George Soros linked front organisations.

Since I and some other core committee members of IAC know the internal dynamics of the IAC movement between 2007 till 2012 involving these persons, I do not feel inclined to change my opinion of them in any way.

You may verify that IAC's core committee knows these people for many years
eg: (May 2007) - Photos from IAC private archives by Veeresh Malik (co-Convenor IAC)









Furthermore, anything we have to say about Mr. Anna Hazare is usually first communicated to his office (his official email ID) as well as by telephone calls to his personal staff (for Mr. Anna Hazare's own good), which are duly acknowledged to us by them. Also, some of the more innocuous emails have been shared with IAC's subscribers in interest of transparency (eg. role of Moen Quereshi with certain peoiple very close to Annaji at certain times in his life saga).

http://humjanege.blogspot.in/2 016/11/iacrg-more-outstanding- issues-to-be.html

Sarbajit Roy

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:05 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 Issue raised by me has been sidestepped. Please read again the sentences in the mail of 20th May converted to bold letters in coloured font. Forum is being misused by using such unwarranted and unjustified language.

R.N.Malhotra



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Sir

I, as one of the moderators, would be very interested in knowing which parts of my impugned message you found scandalous, improbable etc. and why ?

I repeat and reiterate my opinion that the present day higher judiciary along with their system, of "officers of the court" (ie. advocates) is probably the most corrupt institution of India and the reason India is in such a mess today. They are answerable to nobody, they are self appointing and self-serving, utterly resistant to transparency, essentially a law unto themselves and the fees being paid today to the so-called designated senior advocates are a public scandal (eg. alleged Rs. 3.2 crore legal bill for Ram Jethmalani to defend Arvind Kejriwal) leading us in civil society to apprehend that perhaps portions of these scandalous fees find its way back to the judges they appear before so thyat litigation piles up as court dates (taarikh pe taarikh pe taarikh) are given at the drop of a hat

Actually, I recall in one of our RTIs filed to the Delhi High Court a few years back in 2013 I came across an instance of a sitting judge "bribing" another sitting judge, and after 2 hotly contested appeals hearings the Delhi High Court RTI Appellate officer eventually gave me a certified copy of the document in question (the kuccha copy already being with me) whereupon I was able to get the receipient judge transferred out (but not dismissed because the procedure is too cumbersome and impossible).

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:43 PM, ravindra malhotra <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net > wrote:
 I am surprised that moderators permit such scandalous, unverified, improbable and imaginary accusations to be circulated amongst people of IAC#RG. Many of the writers seem to have their own dreams that they pen down the next day for circulation.

R.N.Malhotra



From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net >
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP

Dear Shri Gaur

All these 3 parties - BJP, AAP and Congress are corrupt. So it makes no difference who is in which party.

Actually, The real cause of India's corruption  is its corrupt higher judiciary and court system where the corruptors and corruptees find easy relief and refuge.

It is now time for citizens to demand their rights and governance and establish who is working (or not working) for them.

Kejriwal never had any respect for Hazare which was only for the TV cameras. Plus Anna Hazare was (and still is) an actor for hire who will say and do anything for a fee.

Incidentally, Kejriwal was not interested in politics till April 2012. All he wanted was to get the World Bank dictated Lokpal Bill (Ombudsman Act) implemented for which he was being handsomely paid in crores by World Bank, CIA and through some George Soros linked front organisations.

Sarbajit

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
19/5/17 
If AK expels all from Congress and BJP what will be left with AAP? May be some with left idology as in Punjab or Educated but unemployed/unemployables with aspirations to be leaders or from builders lobby to cover up their tracks. But none of them with any experience of governance and yesmen for AK.
Whatever your view is of Anna Hazare, the fact remains that AK had accepted him as his Guru and acquired the public face through that Aandolan. What was AK,s political/public persona till then?
J,K, Gaur
From: indiaresists-request@lists. riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists. riseup.net> on behalf of Rajinder Dalvi <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 7:19 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] "A-team" of Congress and "B-team" of BJP
 
While the well known corruption within Aam Aadmi Party is slowly emerging, you are overlooking the far larger corruption in the BJP.

When will we have a similar post/s about Narendra Modi, Nitin Gadkari, Venkiah Naidu, Piyush Goyal etc

You must look at this in the larger context of BJP and Congress being old allies in corruption..





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