Hum Janenge: 2/27/11

Saturday, March 5, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

I agrer with y oru views. We need to bring in a complete transparency in all such appointment.

In our country we have made a system where we see only what we want to see. The nexus of manipulation is costing the country

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:11 AM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced any body.

From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?

While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal" the appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with his resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case as that of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".

To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead with appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not "antagonize the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the Kerala Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in the palm oil case then?

It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in 2009 and subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's statement that he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not been correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case charge sheet later.

Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge sheet in palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the question arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and raise it at the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home Minister, the other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the same. And now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment of the CVC.

What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of systemic failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify a person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional post like that of the CVC.

There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to system failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and still no hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the dossier sent by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered for appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.

The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic failure. That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas should be singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that encouraged a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the highest constitutional posts?

The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic failure in case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali cases. Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will the apex court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?

LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY

Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi

krdharma@yahoo.co.in

--
Prof Krishna Kumar Pande
Director (International Affairs)
Teerthanker Mahaveer University
Moradabad 244001
tmu.ac.in
+9837016153

Re: [HumJanenge] WATCH PROSECUTION OF RAMDEV ON INDIA TODAY AT 10 pm

Dear Guptaji

RAMDEV is the ideal person to become next PM for the following reasons.

1) He is highly pliable and flexible, and can put (or extract) himself
into any twisted and contorted position because he doesnt have a
spine.
2) He is shifty eyed.
3) He already owns millions of dollars of property abroad (incl a 2
million pound Scottish island)
4) He is a personal friend of Silvio Berloscuni

On 3/5/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> WATCH PROSECUTION OF RAMDEV ON INDIA TODAY AT 10 pm
>
> Today, In Aapki Adalat on India, Swami Ram Dev will be prosecuted.
> Prosecution
> is worth watching to know his views over corruption. His comment on a
> susggestion of Mr. Rajat Sharma – I do not want to become the Prime Minister
> because there is no use to become an Honest Prime Minister of a corrupt
> system/government.
>
>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

I can cite 2 examples from my personal experience when M.M.Singh (then
Gov RBI) demonstrated his pliabillity. Only pliable and rootless
persons (he has never won an election)
are appointed to high positions in Congress of Corruption. The fact
that he is at such a high position is evidence that he is highly
pliable / corrupt.

On 3/5/11, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Roy Dada
> You are not incorrect, as your observations are well conceived.
> But leaving behind all politics being discussed, I WANT TO CITE A
> CASE.
>
> I still remember that when Mr Manmohan singh was Governor RBI.
> Mr Pranb was then Finance Minister, who wanted some work to
> be done by Governor Manmohan Singh, which he DECLINED .
>
> Again Pranab dada asked Mr Manmohan singh, again he declined.
> Then high pressure was used against Mr Manmohan singh, when
> he told Pranab Dada that he would rather prefer to resign from
> Governor RBI. Then only the matter ended.
>
> I also can understand that circumstances make a man like
> that, as you see him today. Now there is lot of change.
> The P.M. has regretted on the matter of appointment of CVC.
> Yes I also say that appointment of Thomas was wrong.
> With regards
> Dr JN Sharma
> ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>
>
> On 3/5/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our
>> country.
>>> May God bless the King & the Singh"
>>
>> Dear Sharmaji
>>
>> Don't you mean "Queen / Empress" instead of "King" ?
>>
>> Empress Sonia and her army of bootpolishing Singhs
>> (Buta/MM/Montek ... ) are the personifications of corruption.
>>
>> Where have all the Sirdars (like Kehar and Beant) gone
>> off to when the nation needs them most ?
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
>> <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> DEAR Gupta ji & Mr.Dharmadhikary
>>> Thanks for the message.
>>> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
>>> May God bless the King & the Singh
>>> Regards
>>> Dr JN Sharma
>>>
>>> On 3/5/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>> The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced
>>>> any
>>>> body.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
>>>> Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?
>>>> While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal"
>>>> the
>>>> appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with
>>>> his
>>>> resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case
>>>> as
>>>> that
>>>> of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".
>>>> To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead
>>>> with
>>>> appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not
>>>> "antagonize
>>>> the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the
>>>> Kerala
>>>> Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in
>>>> the
>>>> palm
>>>> oil case then?
>>>> It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in
>>>> 2009
>>>> and
>>>> subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of
>>>> political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's
>>>> statement
>>>> that
>>>> he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not
>>>> been
>>>> correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case
>>>> charge
>>>> sheet later.
>>>> Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge
>>>> sheet
>>>> in
>>>> palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the
>>>> question
>>>> arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and
>>>> raise
>>>> it
>>>> at
>>>> the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home
>>>> Minister,
>>>> the
>>>> other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the
>>>> same.
>>>> And
>>>> now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> CVC.
>>>>
>>>> What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of
>>>> systemic
>>>> failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify
>>>> a
>>>> person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional
>>>> post
>>>> like that of the CVC.
>>>>
>>>> There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to
>>>> system
>>>> failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an
>>>> anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and
>>>> still
>>>> no
>>>> hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the
>>>> dossier
>>>> sent
>>>> by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered
>>>> for
>>>> appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.
>>>>
>>>> The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic
>>>> failure.
>>>> That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas
>>>> should
>>>> be
>>>> singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that
>>>> encouraged
>>>> a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the
>>>> highest
>>>> constitutional posts?
>>>> The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC
>>>> appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic
>>>> failure
>>>> in
>>>> case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali
>>>> cases.
>>>> Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will
>>>> the
>>>> apex
>>>> court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?
>>>>
>>>> LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY
>>>> Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi
>>>> krdharma@yahoo.co.in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

I leave the judgement on the enlightened members and request to read both the mails and comment. Comments should include who is indulging in a campaign against the renowned RTI activists. I am onlyu an humble RTI volunteer.

I do not know about the affidavit filed by Mr. K. Rajeshwar Rao but if know, you must also be having a copy of the same and either you or Mr. Rajeshwar will be going a great service to the nation if you disclose the names so that they do not inflict to any damage to the nation.

I shall be grateful if you can cite proof of my extending support to the corrupts.

You are free to withdraw your greatness of allowing me views freely by expelling me from the group. I do not wish to waste in the spar which will not yield any positive result.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 9:15:03 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

Dear Guptaji

FIRSTLY. If you have a private quarrel with any member please discuss
it outside this group.

Without prejudice to the above, a close reading of Mr Rejimon's reply
shows that he straightway concedes the truth at least 80% of what
Rajeshwar Rao has written. I shall spare you the detailed analysis /
computation which you can do yourself (and which I am ever ready to
provide publicly if you so desire).

Insofar as Mr Rao's post about 300+ RTI activists being tapped etc,
the same has been filed in affidavit in SC and has also been published
in reputed newspapers.

LASTLY.Your outburst is not surprising that you publicly support and
display your love and affection for some of India's most corrupt
persons on this forum. It is our greatness that you are allowed to
freely say such things here.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Mr. Rao claims that he lives outside India. In the past, he claimed that
> many RTI activists (300?) are on the wacth list of the security agencies.
> When I contronted him to disclose the names, there were tens of ablies and
> one was that these will be disclosed by the wikileakes but nothing
> happened. Once, I remember that the moderators said that Rao has been
> expllled from the group. Moderators are requested not to make this platform
> a place to spread remours and use for slanderious others and for mud
> slining. Nothing without proof or convincing explaination should be put up
> on the blog either that may be written by me, Mr Sarbajit or any other
> member. Unlike his name, Sarbajit has failed to win (jit) the confidence of
> members at large.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

Dear Roy Dada
You are not incorrect, as your observations are well conceived.
But leaving behind all politics being discussed, I WANT TO CITE A CASE.

I still remember that when Mr Manmohan singh was Governor RBI.
Mr Pranb was then Finance Minister, who wanted some work to
be done by Governor Manmohan Singh, which he DECLINED .

Again Pranab dada asked Mr Manmohan singh, again he declined.
Then high pressure was used against Mr Manmohan singh, when
he told Pranab Dada that he would rather prefer to resign from
Governor RBI. Then only the matter ended.

I also can understand that circumstances make a man like
that, as you see him today. Now there is lot of change.
The P.M. has regretted on the matter of appointment of CVC.
Yes I also say that appointment of Thomas was wrong.
With regards
Dr JN Sharma
ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST

On 3/5/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> "> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
>> May God bless the King & the Singh"
>
> Dear Sharmaji
>
> Don't you mean "Queen / Empress" instead of "King" ?
>
> Empress Sonia and her army of bootpolishing Singhs
> (Buta/MM/Montek ... ) are the personifications of corruption.
>
> Where have all the Sirdars (like Kehar and Beant) gone
> off to when the nation needs them most ?
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
> <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> DEAR Gupta ji & Mr.Dharmadhikary
>> Thanks for the message.
>> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
>> May God bless the King & the Singh
>> Regards
>> Dr JN Sharma
>>
>> On 3/5/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>> The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced any
>>> body.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
>>> To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
>>> Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS
>>>
>>>
>>> THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?
>>> While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal"
>>> the
>>> appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with
>>> his
>>> resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case
>>> as
>>> that
>>> of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".
>>> To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead with
>>> appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not
>>> "antagonize
>>> the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the
>>> Kerala
>>> Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in
>>> the
>>> palm
>>> oil case then?
>>> It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in
>>> 2009
>>> and
>>> subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of
>>> political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's
>>> statement
>>> that
>>> he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not
>>> been
>>> correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case
>>> charge
>>> sheet later.
>>> Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge
>>> sheet
>>> in
>>> palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the
>>> question
>>> arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and raise
>>> it
>>> at
>>> the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home
>>> Minister,
>>> the
>>> other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the
>>> same.
>>> And
>>> now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment
>>> of
>>> the
>>> CVC.
>>>
>>> What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of
>>> systemic
>>> failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify a
>>> person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional
>>> post
>>> like that of the CVC.
>>>
>>> There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to
>>> system
>>> failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an
>>> anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and
>>> still
>>> no
>>> hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the dossier
>>> sent
>>> by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered
>>> for
>>> appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.
>>>
>>> The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic
>>> failure.
>>> That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas
>>> should
>>> be
>>> singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that
>>> encouraged
>>> a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the highest
>>> constitutional posts?
>>> The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC
>>> appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic failure
>>> in
>>> case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali
>>> cases.
>>> Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will the
>>> apex
>>> court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?
>>>
>>> LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY
>>> Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi
>>> krdharma@yahoo.co.in
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

Dear Guptaji

FIRSTLY. If you have a private quarrel with any member please discuss
it outside this group.

Without prejudice to the above, a close reading of Mr Rejimon's reply
shows that he straightway concedes the truth at least 80% of what
Rajeshwar Rao has written. I shall spare you the detailed analysis /
computation which you can do yourself (and which I am ever ready to
provide publicly if you so desire).

Insofar as Mr Rao's post about 300+ RTI activists being tapped etc,
the same has been filed in affidavit in SC and has also been published
in reputed newspapers.

LASTLY.Your outburst is not surprising that you publicly support and
display your love and affection for some of India's most corrupt
persons on this forum. It is our greatness that you are allowed to
freely say such things here.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Mr. Rao claims that he lives outside India. In the past, he claimed that
> many RTI activists (300?) are on the wacth list of the security agencies.
> When I contronted him to disclose the names, there were tens of ablies and
> one was that these will be disclosed by the wikileakes but nothing
> happened. Once, I remember that the moderators said that Rao has been
> expllled from the group. Moderators are requested not to make this platform
> a place to spread remours and use for slanderious others and for mud
> slining. Nothing without proof or convincing explaination should be put up
> on the blog either that may be written by me, Mr Sarbajit or any other
> member. Unlike his name, Sarbajit has failed to win (jit) the confidence of
> members at large.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

"> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
> May God bless the King & the Singh"

Dear Sharmaji

Don't you mean "Queen / Empress" instead of "King" ?

Empress Sonia and her army of bootpolishing Singhs
(Buta/MM/Montek ... ) are the personifications of corruption.

Where have all the Sirdars (like Kehar and Beant) gone
off to when the nation needs them most ?

Sarbajit

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
<dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
> DEAR Gupta ji & Mr.Dharmadhikary
> Thanks for the message.
> It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
> May God bless the King & the Singh
> Regards
> Dr JN Sharma
>
> On 3/5/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced any
>> body.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
>> To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS
>>
>>
>> THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?
>> While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal" the
>> appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with his
>> resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case as
>> that
>> of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".
>> To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead with
>> appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not
>> "antagonize
>> the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the
>> Kerala
>> Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in the
>> palm
>> oil case then?
>> It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in 2009
>> and
>> subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of
>> political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's statement
>> that
>> he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not been
>> correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case charge
>> sheet later.
>> Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge sheet
>> in
>> palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the
>> question
>> arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and raise it
>> at
>> the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home Minister,
>> the
>> other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the same.
>> And
>> now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment of
>> the
>> CVC.
>>
>> What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of systemic
>> failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify a
>> person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional post
>> like that of the CVC.
>>
>> There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to system
>> failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an
>> anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and still
>> no
>> hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the dossier
>> sent
>> by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered for
>> appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.
>>
>> The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic
>> failure.
>> That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas should
>> be
>> singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that
>> encouraged
>> a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the highest
>> constitutional posts?
>> The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC
>> appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic failure in
>> case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali cases.
>> Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will the
>> apex
>> court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?
>>
>> LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY
>> Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi
>> krdharma@yahoo.co.in
>>
>>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

DEAR Gupta ji & Mr.Dharmadhikary
Thanks for the message.
It is a great news of the present day corruption in our country.
May God bless the King & the Singh
Regards
Dr JN Sharma

On 3/5/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced any
> body.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
> To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS
>
>
> THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?
> While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal" the
> appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with his
> resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case as
> that
> of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".
> To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead with
> appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not
> "antagonize
> the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the
> Kerala
> Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in the
> palm
> oil case then?
> It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in 2009
> and
> subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of
> political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's statement
> that
> he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not been
> correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case charge
> sheet later.
> Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge sheet
> in
> palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the
> question
> arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and raise it
> at
> the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home Minister,
> the
> other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the same.
> And
> now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment of
> the
> CVC.
>
> What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of systemic
> failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify a
> person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional post
> like that of the CVC.
>
> There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to system
> failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an
> anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and still
> no
> hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the dossier
> sent
> by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered for
> appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.
>
> The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic
> failure.
> That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas should
> be
> singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that
> encouraged
> a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the highest
> constitutional posts?
> The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC
> appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic failure in
> case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali cases.
> Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will the
> apex
> court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?
>
> LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY
> Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi
> krdharma@yahoo.co.in
>
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

Mr. Rao claims that he lives outside

India

. In the past, he claimed that many RTI activists (300?) are on the wacth list of the security agencies. When I contronted him to disclose the names, there were tens of ablies and one was that these will be disclosed by the wikileakes but nothing happened. Once, I remember that the moderators said that Rao has been expllled from the group. Moderators are requested not to make this platform a place to spread remours and use for slanderious others and for mud slining. Nothing without proof or convincing explaination should be put up on the blog either that may be written by me, Mr Sarbajit or any other member. Unlike his name, Sarbajit has failed to win (jit) the confidence of members at large.

From: REJIMON C K <rejimonck@gmail.com>
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005 <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 6:30:38 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

I dont like to normaly respond to annonyymouse writers like CYBERYOUTH
etc.
Many of us know who is behind such annonymous names. be courage
citizen of our mother land to disclose with real names and not in this
fasion.
YES I am a bonafide member of Nav Sansad Vihar CGHS Ltd along other
255 members.
The Thehelka news is Right, ask mr. Tarun Tejpal who provide the info
to the reporter at that time ? Who acted as Whistle blower
I never claimed as an RTI Activists.. nor will be , Yes I do file RTI,
if some people have objection to that, I can not help
The Society is 100% legal there are management in the society had
created problem for Innocent members for which even today I am
fighting at RCS office and DDA, Kindly go to RCS office and DDA office
and inspect the file truth will be there.
Instead of campaigning PROPOGANDA against citizens, kindly focus on
the real culprits and scam masters Mr. Cyberyouth with K RAJESHWAR RAO
too invented with same name we have members in our society.
To the best of my knowledge NO PAWAR in our society NSV CGHS LTD, may
be in Sansad Vihar CGHS Ltd, Sector 2, Dwaraka
yes in our society there are high profile members, the list is
avialble on RCS website accessible to all public

I can only say one thing that If the citizen tools like RTI are being
diluted out or murdered not because of authorities only, it is because
we have among us people who are SPY and WORK with VESTED interest.

If any real citizen have any further info need including Mr. Sanjeev,
please write to me directly on my email. I would be happy to provide.
As I dont read the posting on this Groups just like many other RTI
users. Even this msg was brought to my notice by another RTI user
thankfully.

About the Forum I am associated with, its actions speak for itself.
Once again the RTI user or non RTI user focus on what we were suppose
to do and not fall with propganda , misleading information floated.
I would plea upon respect the culture of this Great Nation and set by
our elders.

Jai Hind.

Rejimon C K

On Mar 5, 8:46 am, Sanjeev Santoshi <sanjs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ha,Ha GR8 piece of investigative reporting by Tehalka and you. All our clean
> RTi "corruption fighters" have dirty undies.
> Sanjeev
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM, young cyber indians <
>
>
>
> cyberyo...@tightmail.com> wrote:
> > RTI activist C.K.Rejimon is co-neighbour of high profile Congress persons
> > in scandalous Nav Sansad Vihar CGHS in Dwarika subcity of NCR.
> >http://www.tehelka.com/story_main18.asp?filename=Ne071506Disorder_on.asp
>
> > On behalf of this scoiety Sri Rejimon is filing hundred of RTI and has even
> > floated some resident forrum to prevent demolition of his CGHS.
> > The open market price of these huge flats is about Rs. 3 crores but Mr
> > Rejimon and his high flying nieghbours justlike Sri Sharad Pawer claim that
> > market value is only Rs. 9 point somethings lacs.
> >http://pmindia.nic.in/assets2010/Shri%20Sharad%20Pawar.pdf
>
> > Sri Rejimon may kindly explain why this illegal society may also not be
> > demolished like Adarsh CHGS
>
> > K Rajeshwar Rao- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

The govt. explaination to the the on the affairs had hardly concinced any body.

From: KRANTIKUMAR DHARMADHIKARY <krdharma@hotmail.com>
To: Humjanege <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 5 March, 2011 5:15:33 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?

While it is heartening to know that the Supreme Court has held "illegal" the appointment of PJ Thomas as the CVC, the cleansing that has started with his resignation should not stop at that. The need is to look beyond the case as that of a single person and instead treat is as a "systemic failure".

To start with, Kerala Chief Minister has admitted that he went ahead with appointing Thomas as state's chief secretary in 2007 as he could not "antagonize the entire IAS lobby that had pushed for his appointment." Had not the Kerala Vigilance and Anti-Corruption department pointed out his involvement in the palm oil case then?

It was this post that eventually led to Thomas's Central deputation in 2009 and subsequent appointment as the CVC. Thomas claims himself as "a victim of political war" which is vindicated by the Kerala Chief Minister's statement that he "took up the case and fought alone all these years." If that had not been correct, Thomas's name would not have been added in the palm oil case charge sheet later.

Further, the government claims that it was not aware about the charge sheet in palm oil case, a fact supported by the ex-CVC Pratyush Sinha. Then the question arises, if Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj can know about it and raise it at the appropriate platform, why did the Prime Minister and the Home Minister, the other two members of the selection panel, not take cognizance of the same. And now, the Supreme Court has laid down new guidelines for the appointment of the CVC.

What is evident in the whole affair is that it is a classic case of systemic failure wherein there are no tabs whatsoever to cross check and verify a person's credentials when he is due for appointment to a constitutional post like that of the CVC.

There needs to be debate on related issues that critically point to system failure. The palm oil case has been pending before the vigilance and "an anti-corruption court" in Kerala since 1992. Nineteen long years, and still no hope of a verdict! No wonder, this case was never included in the dossier sent by the Kerala government to the Centre, when Thomas was being considered for appointed as a Secretary to the Central government.

The government too now has accepted this particular case as a systemic failure. That brings forth a question: If this being the case, why only Thomas should be singled out? Why only Thomas should quit? What about the system that encouraged a tainted person like him to climb the ladder to reach one of the highest constitutional posts?

The need of the hour is an overhauling of the system. Just like the CVC appointment, there is enough scope pointing to a similar systemic failure in case of 2G, Adarsh, CWG, black money and Pune businessman Hasan Ali cases. Thomas is likely to file a review petition in the Supreme Court? Will the apex court do justice to the complete case vis-à-vis the system?

LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY

Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi

krdharma@yahoo.co.in

[HumJanenge] Re: Sri Rejimon may kindly explain his nieghbour's affidavit

I dont like to normaly respond to annonyymouse writers like CYBERYOUTH
etc.
Many of us know who is behind such annonymous names. be courage
citizen of our mother land to disclose with real names and not in this
fasion.
YES I am a bonafide member of Nav Sansad Vihar CGHS Ltd along other
255 members.
The Thehelka news is Right, ask mr. Tarun Tejpal who provide the info
to the reporter at that time ? Who acted as Whistle blower
I never claimed as an RTI Activists.. nor will be , Yes I do file RTI,
if some people have objection to that, I can not help
The Society is 100% legal there are management in the society had
created problem for Innocent members for which even today I am
fighting at RCS office and DDA, Kindly go to RCS office and DDA office
and inspect the file truth will be there.
Instead of campaigning PROPOGANDA against citizens, kindly focus on
the real culprits and scam masters Mr. Cyberyouth with K RAJESHWAR RAO
too invented with same name we have members in our society.
To the best of my knowledge NO PAWAR in our society NSV CGHS LTD, may
be in Sansad Vihar CGHS Ltd, Sector 2, Dwaraka
yes in our society there are high profile members, the list is
avialble on RCS website accessible to all public

I can only say one thing that If the citizen tools like RTI are being
diluted out or murdered not because of authorities only, it is because
we have among us people who are SPY and WORK with VESTED interest.

If any real citizen have any further info need including Mr. Sanjeev,
please write to me directly on my email. I would be happy to provide.
As I dont read the posting on this Groups just like many other RTI
users. Even this msg was brought to my notice by another RTI user
thankfully.

About the Forum I am associated with, its actions speak for itself.
Once again the RTI user or non RTI user focus on what we were suppose
to do and not fall with propganda , misleading information floated.
I would plea upon respect the culture of this Great Nation and set by
our elders.

Jai Hind.

Rejimon C K

On Mar 5, 8:46 am, Sanjeev Santoshi <sanjs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ha,Ha GR8 piece of investigative reporting by Tehalka and you. All our clean
> RTi "corruption fighters" have dirty undies.
> Sanjeev
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM, young cyber indians <
>
>
>
> cyberyo...@tightmail.com> wrote:
> > RTI activist C.K.Rejimon is co-neighbour of high profile Congress persons
> > in scandalous Nav Sansad Vihar CGHS in Dwarika subcity of NCR.
> >http://www.tehelka.com/story_main18.asp?filename=Ne071506Disorder_on.asp
>
> > On behalf of this scoiety Sri Rejimon is filing hundred of RTI and has even
> > floated some resident forrum to prevent demolition of his CGHS.
> > The open market price of these huge flats is about Rs. 3 crores but Mr
> > Rejimon and his high flying nieghbours justlike Sri Sharad Pawer claim that
> > market value is only Rs. 9 point somethings lacs.
> >http://pmindia.nic.in/assets2010/Shri%20Sharad%20Pawar.pdf
>
> > Sri Rejimon may kindly explain why this illegal society may also not be
> > demolished like Adarsh CHGS
>
> > K Rajeshwar Rao- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[HumJanenge] CVC QUITS

THOMAS QUITS: A CASE OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE?

LT COL (RETD) K R DHARMADHIKARY

Member, Board, Transparency International India (TII) New Delhi

krdharma@yahoo.co.in

[HumJanenge] WATCH PROSECUTION OF RAMDEV ON INDIA TODAY AT 10 pm

WATCH PROSECUTION OF RAMDEV ON INDIA TODAY AT 10 pm

Today, In Aapki Adalat on India, Swami Ram Dev will be prosecuted. Prosecution is worth watching to know his views over corruption. His comment on a susggestion of Mr. Rajat Sharma – I do not want to become the Prime Minister because there is no use to become an Honest Prime Minister of a corrupt system/government.

[HumJanenge] RTI activist challenges propreity of MCA to decide Govt PSUs Mahelek-SAIL Merger..

Dear All,

Article in Moneylife -
RTI activist challenges propreity of MCA to decide Mahelek-SAIL Merger.

http://www.moneylife.in/article/rti-activist-challenges-propriety-of-mca-to-decide-mahelek-sail-merger/14422.html

For your kind information.

Regards,

--
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M - 94276 08632
http://twitter.com/BabubhaiVaghela
About me in Annexure at - http://bit.ly/9xsHFj
http://www.youtube.com/user/vaghelabd
(Administrator - Google Group - Right to Information Act 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/Right-to-Information-Act-2005/about?hl=en

--- On Sat, 3/5/11, Moneylife <noreply@moneylife.in> wrote:

From: Moneylife <noreply@moneylife.in>
Subject: Weekly Updates - Budget Special, Tax-saving traps, PAC too criticises SEBI and many more
To: vaghelabd@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 2:27 PM

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