Hum Janenge: 11/11/12

Saturday, November 17, 2012

RE: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith

Dear All
I agree with SurajPrakash and Sujit. I also request all readers to spend
time and energy on
* WHAT TO DO ( SUGGESTIONS FOR OTHERS )
* WHAT AM I WILLING TO DO
Even if someone feels that somebody has a wrong thinking or approach, please
take it upon yourself to SELL your thinking to that person, if you have zeal
and time to do so. Please refrain from making derogatory comments publicly
on others because it will only hurt someone's ego and not help the other
person to realize his wrong ( if any ). Every action should have some useful
purpose. What useful purpose is being served by such comments ?
Jaiprakash Taparia

-----Original Message-----
From: iac-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:iac-request@lists.riseup.net] On
Behalf Of SurajParkash
Sent: 17 November 2012 16:11
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
Cc: kumar sohoni
Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith

Dear friends :

Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the cause of
freedom of India, people with all differing thought and action plans came
forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi, Subhash, Bhagat Singh,
and many others, but they were all for the same good cause. So also are
Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.

If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should refrain
from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the common cause,
let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.

SurajParkash

On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are right.
>
> I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> particularly because while we may all have differences in our
> viewpoint I assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose
> Corruption, Inequity and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says
> " NBA came a cropper due to lack of public support (It didn't. It was
> the split decision of the Supreme Court)".
>
> Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see
> for himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal
> derogatory comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a
> logical argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense
> and maturity to avoid that.
>
> --
> Sujit
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
>> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
>> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies
>> 9of any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as Mahatma
>> Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other words
>> not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the father
>> of the nation...
>>
>> KUMAR
>> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
>> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>>
>> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same
>> coin.After her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public
>> suport,she is roaming around the country hogging lime light as a
>> crusader.It is better for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
>>
>> *navnith*
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>>
>> Hi Joya Mashi
>>
>> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
>> Wouldn't
>> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
>> Anyway,
>> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
>>
>> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they
>> use donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of
>> interest in advance while engaging with us. We especially question
>> them if the donors are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition
of "civil society"
>> as
>> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical democracy.
>> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
>> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong
>> - UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
>>
>> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim
>> about her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on
>> her getting a Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the
>> Ahmedabad NGO.such as at here
>>
>> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocki
>> ng-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
>>
>> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
>> target :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
>>
>> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS
>> brought out
>> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA
>> was on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her
>> wikjpedia article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
>> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing debate.
>> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled
>> Singur (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the
>> massive monies mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy
>> up companies globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the
>> rigged Indian stock markets by judicious insider trading. (That would
>> need a Sucheta Dalal to investigate and follow the money)
>>
>> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge
>> SC bench in 2011.
>> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
>>
>> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal
>> with the conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of
>> the tenure holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had
>> emphatically been argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel
>> appearing for the said applicant/respondent, that powers under
>> Section 48 of the Act 1894 could not be resorted to because the
>> tenure holders had already been physically dispossessed and land
>> stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same could not be divested.
>> The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great length to
>> impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been actually
>> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
>> after considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that
>> this Court thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection
>> report and then the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local
>> inspection and submit the report. The report has been made after
>> making an inspection of the area and recording statements of the
>> tenure holders in presence of Shri Alok Agrawal, Chief activist of
>> NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is evident from the said report
>> that statements made by the said applicant/respondent in the Court,
>> in this regard are factually incorrect and false. The Court has been
>> entertaining this petition under the bona fide belief that NBA was
>> espousing the grievance of inarticulate and illiterate poor farmers,
>> with all sincerity and thus, would not make any misleading statement.
>> However, our belief stands fully belied. Applicant / respondent made
>> pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis only to secure
>> unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant case it
>> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
>> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed
>> the true picture.
>>
>> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest
>> in the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have
>> acted at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity.
>> Earlier also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India
>> & Ors.,
>> (1998)
>> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
>> and described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the
>> 4th anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim
>> orders of the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the
>> way of implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court
>> was assured by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or
>> indirectly give any cause for concern by this Court."; But, in our
>> opinion, it has not been able to keep its solemn undertaking given to
>> this Court."
>>
>> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as
>> that would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd
>> chapters those vigilonline people wrote about in their
>> NGO-as-Industry-and singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of
it).
>>
>> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
>> give her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86)
>> before her getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her
>> corrupt are her actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's
>> extra-Constitutional petticoats) thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl.
>> me, claims that the RTI Act 2005 was drafted by them)
>>
>> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
>> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ?
>> Because of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake
>> "hands off" R&D NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and
>> IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it. And yet Medha says that Tatas are honest
>> {I'm sure I'll find that news report eventually - till then read
>> these).
>>
>> *Links (further reading)*:
>>
>> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remark
>> s-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-me
>> dha-patkar-111301.html
>>
>> Sarbajit
>> *National Convenor
>> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
>> *
>> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hullo,
>> >
>> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
>> > citizens who go public)?
>> >
>> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a
>> > TISS alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds,
>> > from AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT
>> > engineer I believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in
>> > Maharashtra and supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded
>> > on 'tapu' hilltops when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
>> >
>> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens
>> > till the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about
>> > her activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you
>> > should be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability
>> > of your sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
>> >
>> > How are you all otherwise?!
>> >
>> > Joya (Mashi)
>> >
>> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Dear Friends
>> >>
>> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
>> >> Medha
>> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
>> >> people have brought this (and another item concerning the lady
>> >> activist) to my attention causing me to research the matter
>> >> further.
>> >>
>> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection of.
>> >>
>> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
>> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
>> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
>> >> Magsaysay awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days
>> >> back when she was arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads
>> >> me regularly knows my views on awards/awardees like this which are
>> >> only awarded to corrupt people.
>> >>
>> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I
>> >> couldn't locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For
>> >> what its worth the news stories which misled me were
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789
>> _1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
>> >>
>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/3497230
>> 0_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
>> >>
>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/3499308
>> 3_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
>> >>
>> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-
>> hazares-new-targets_810317.html
>> >>
>> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-del
>> hi_810317.html
>> >>
>> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
>> >>
>> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
>> >> foreign financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind,
>> >> Kiran Bedi,
>> Aruna
>> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to
>> >> those who pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who
>> >> was offended.
>> >>
>> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being
>> >> communicated in private emails to me from a certain IAC section on
>> >> this list.
>> >>
>> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money
>> >> obsessed and tainted (which is why the political option suits them
>> >> to a T) but Anna and Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is
>> >> needed for other reasons) are mature/decent/honest/simple folk
>> >> with long track records of grassroots clean activism etc. but
>> >> who simply cannot function with Arvind.
>> >> Since
>> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
>> >> should and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the
>> >> IAC fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
>> >> researchers.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar

May I know what is this 'Manish Alcoholic Photos"?

Let me introduce you that I am a small kid in IAC movement in Amritsar. The best I could do if that "I lead the Amritsar Anna Supporters on 1-Jan-2012 (New Year Day) to show Black Flags to Dr. Manmohan Singh, PM, at Golden Temple, Amritsar( No doubt, it was also disliked by some people). But this has verbal approval of Manish. He might have not told to Shajia Alvi, she was saying, they are not IAC volunteers.

Mr. Manish Sisodia, in mid 2012 came to Amritsar and afterwards have two three meetings in Punjab. It is found that Manish is very arrogant, non democratic, dictator in nature and is surrounded by some doubtful people as his Chamchas (Stooges). While Manish had very tough time in last meeting in Punjab in Ludhiana, there were chances, he could have been manhandled) where almost all the dedicated IAC supporters openly objected the manner, Mr. Sisodia was promoting some, drunkards, corrupt and even old smugglers in Punjab. But Manish is always cleverly avoiding an open democratic discussion to first settle the issues at grass root level. Without settling cadre properly, he is forcing Leaders on volunteers of his own choice ( the same decease of political parties). God save his new political party.

What I have doubt, he has some common weakness of "W"

Parbodh from Amritsar

From: IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:47:19
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
Dear Ujjawal Bhaiya

Before you further disrespect IAC movement and pass loose comments kindly shut up, dont talk about things you are not supposed to know, and answer the following.

1) You are only a small IAC coordinator from some small district in Madhya Pradeh. True/False ?

2) Only reason you are appointed as coordinator is because you are small part of Arvind Bhaiya's National black money extortion mafia. In simple words you are a 'khabri' (ie. informer) running network of other 'khabris'. True/False ?

3) It is very good that Manish had already been unsubscribed by our team even without your kind blessing. Today it seems that all corrupt persons are leaving their worlds (real or virtual) - 3 (Balasaheb, Ponty, Harvinder) had left and Manish was no. 4. Prashanth Bhushan and Mayank Gandhi are in the queue.

4) The answer to Digvijay Singh was given with full knowledge an desire of Arvind Bhaiya. Because Arvind Bhaiya could not answer the public why bhabhiji was posted in Delhi for 17 years continuously and also about Manish Bhaiya's foreign funds and alcholic photos and Mayank Bhaiya's mafia links and so many other questions which can never be answered properly, As a CA do you really think that any honest officer can stay in prime posting for so long ? Ash Bhaiya simply put out our reply naming PULOK CHATTERJI. Immediately, Diggy from jackal became a chooha. Do you deny that the next PR release was sent out from the official email ID of IAC by Ash Bhaiya with full knowledge of Arvind Bhaiya. True/False ?

5) Everyone will find out about IAC HQ at the right time.

6) If you still have any problem, please speak to Ash Bhaiya.

Ajay Dixit

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, CA Ujjawal Modi <ujjawal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Manish Bhaiya,

you can unsubscribe to this list by sending an email to
iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net .
This list is the one moderated by Mr. Ajay Dixit who replied to Diggy
on behalf of Arvind ji. We have tried to talk to him about this list
and other details but he seems to allege us of spamming his list with
the help of govt agencies. He seems to be publicizing himself by using
IAC name. He says he is from some IAC HQ which seems to exist only in
cyber world and has no real existance.

Regards,
CA Ujjawal Modi

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Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar

I am very surprised to note that some of friends protest in receiving mails which criticise some adored personalities like Medha, Anna ji, Arvind and others. Definitely they are all very respectable. But listening (just listening) criticism is no sin. Let some one mudsling, call names or make appreciations, he has right of presenting his point of view, may be untrue, unacceptable or even indecently presented. Every coin has two sides and by reading the view points of different people enhance the vision of a person. If you do not approve, why not to just read it and either agree that it is correct or delete it patiently if it is false. Just by closing eyes on the comments decent or indecent, true or untrue, mudslinging or admirations, is no good. Every comment just makes us more enlighten. So my friends please take it easy and do not say that please delete me or do not send the mails. Read it, keep or delete it, it is your choice. But not let you brain be prejudiced on any side. Let them say what they know, feel or say prejudicially under jealousy, polarisation or personal reasons. We will filter the coffee and taste the best of our liking.

Parbodh from Amritsar

From: IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:39:00
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar

Dear SVS

"Ash" is the guru of everyone who ever learnt RTI and corruption fighting in Delhi from 2001 onwards. What Parkash Kardale of Humjanenge was to Maharashtra RTI, Ash was to Delhi RTI.

Ash has always been the behind the scenes mover and strategist for IAC movement. Being in the government himself for many years he knows the system and its weak points very well.

As a noted IT specialist he had always handled the backend IT operations including centralised email and address database for IAC Andolan.

This database is the bone of contention between the 3 warring factions of present IAC because Ash is clear that the list should only be used for communication and publicity and not for harassing IAC sympathisers for money and donations.

Now of course all the 3 groupings are going their own way to expand their own power bases and maintain it themselves.

Ajay Dixit

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM, <iansubraman@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all
I do not understand who this ash IAC Media is but how can he own the list of E Mail ids?
SVSubramanian
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
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Dear Dolphy, Sujit, Navnith etc.

Hi, I'm Ashish, list-owner of both the IAC & indiaagainstcorruption mailing lists.

The IAC list (now 12,000+ subscribers) is meant for the IAC which will come after Arvind & friends leave us. OTH, the indiaagainstcorruption mailing list (270 subscribers (is for Arvind's Core Committee team)

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RE: [IAC++] Re: Ms. Medha Patkar

Dear Ajay,

Please advise how can I contact Me Arvind Kejriwal. I want to discuss something urgent. Is it possible to get his contact number?

Regards

Rakesh Sant

9650055774

From: iac-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:iac-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of IAC INFO
Sent: 17 November 2012 22:30
To: iac@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC++] Re: Ms. Medha Patkar

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM, <iansubraman@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all
I do not understand who this ash IAC Media is but how can he own the list of E Mail ids?
SVSubramanian
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone
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Dear Dolphy, Sujit, Navnith etc.

Hi, I'm Ashish, list-owner of both the IAC & indiaagainstcorruption mailing lists.

The IAC list (now 12,000+ subscribers) is meant for the IAC which will come after Arvind & friends leave us. OTH, the indiaagainstcorruption mailing list (270 subscribers (is for Arvind's Core Committee team)

Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting

1. PLEASE CONFIRM WHETHER IAC CAN ALLOW ANY LOCAL PERSON TO GIVE
IDENTITY TO WRITE EVEN A SINGLE LETTER AGAINST CORRUPTION WHICH IS
PREVAILING IN ALMOST 90%+CO OPERATIVE HOUSING SOCITIES WHICH IS
EQUALLY WORST THAN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT?
2.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A POLICE STATION
DO NOT REGISTER AN FIR?
3.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A BMC DO NOT
RESPOND TO ISSUE OF LEAKAGE IN FLAT RESIDENCE?
4.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A REGISTRAR OF CO
OP SOCIETY DO NOT REPLY TO ANY OF YOUR COMPLAINT?
5.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN AN PRICE IS
ALTERED ON MRP BASED PRODUCT?
6.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A ADULTERATED
FOOD,MILK,MAWA, ETC. ARE BEING SOLD?
7.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN MUNICIPAL
HOSPITAL DO NOT ADMIT PATIENTS?
8.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN ALTERNATIVE OR
PARRALLEL MEDICINES ARE CHEPLY AVAILBLE BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT GUIDED?
9.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A SCHOLL COOLEGE
ADMISSION ARE NOT AVAILABLE?
10.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A CHILD LABOUR
IS DEPLOYED ?
11.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A DAY LIGHT
PROSTITUTION DANCE BARS ARE WORKING?
12.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A POLICE STATION
DO NOT TAKE ACTION EVEN AFTER COMPLAINT IS LODGED?
13.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A PEOPLE DO NOT
GET FOOT PATH TO WALK?
14.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A HAWKERS ARE
OCCUPYING FOOT PATHS?
15.WHERE SHOULD COMMON MAN GO TO GET HELP OF IAC WHEN A OPENLY
FOOD/EATABLES ARE SOLD ON FOOT PATH ?
I HAVE GOT MANY MORE ISSUES BUT IAC IS AFRAID OF OPENING BRANCHES IN
EACH LOCAL AREAS FOR REASON BEST KNOWN TO THEM.

On 11/18/12, Raunak Maheshwari <raunak.maheshwari@gmail.com> wrote:
> Replied to you on the FB post as well,
>
> In IAC you are free to fill the gap you find. Local Issues are being
> taken/are to be taken up by local chapters. MG, AD and PV cannot be aware
> of all local issues. IAC is a platform of empowerment rather than
> dealership. IAC will support, empower, guide, provide a platform for the
> local people to come together and solve their problems. We are not like
> other political parties.
>
> To close, feel free to fill the gap.
>
> Raunak Maheshwari
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM, false <jitu11in@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In response to my messages on different websites regarding IAC needs to
>> take up local issues directly affecting Aam Aadmi since no other regular
>> party is bothered about, i was invited by one Mr. Bhavesh of Santacruz
>> east
>> IAC, to attend their Janta Darbar today 1pm at Sita Sindhua Hall,
>> Santaxruz
>> east.
>>
>> Followings r my good and bad observations about working and functioning
>> of
>> IAC, some points were encouraging but others were utter disastrous and
>> caused total disillusionment on other aspects.
>>
>> First i would talk about good observations, these r to encourage more
>> people to join the movement which is only hope and in good direct as far
>> as
>> national and to some extend state level issues r concern.
>>
>> 1. Systematic registration of new members that were coming for first
>> time.
>> It was disclosed that in every meeting more than half r new members.
>> 2. Star speakers Mayank gave some information on the subject and future
>> course of action on the issues that r in hands of IAC as of now.
>> 3. regular meetings being held every week at different locations in
>> Mumbai
>> to keep the momentum going.
>> 4. Regular support and donations in the form of kind coming for all
>> future
>> programs.
>> 5. I appreciate what Mayank made it clear that IAC is not for personal
>> issues.
>>
>> Now i would come to equally important bad points which need
>> introspection,
>> retrospection for having improvement and as IAC is no different or even
>> worst than other political parties.
>>
>> 1. No discipline a) time given was 1pm but people strated turning up late
>> and so speech started at 2.pm. Do people coming in time have time to
>> waste.
>> b.)It is called a Aam Aadmi party but 3 Star Speaker Anjali Damani,
>> Praful
>> Vora and Mayank Gandhi, left immediately after completing their speech,
>> with out bothering to lisen to other member of pubic that has come over
>> there to speak and share what they wish to say. This is utter disrespect
>> to
>> Aam Aadmi. If this is the attitude even before their become any
>> celebrity,
>> imagine how they would behave later or may not be any different from any
>> of
>> the other existing Neta;s that we have today. Following them, many
>> members
>> of public also left, as if they all come to lisen to some vital
>> information
>> that they were expecting that their Neta;s would be sharing with them.
>> 2. There was nothing substantial in the speech that Ms. Anjali and Mr.
>> Vora gave, All facts that they kept on elaborating r known to every alert
>> citizen who is hearing them for last few years or months now everyday in
>> every News channel. They were just pulling their speech to kill time,
>> which
>> was quite boring and may be that is the reason, in every subsequent
>> meetings the number of old members if just half.
>> 3. The most important issue for which i was invited. Local issue of
>> public
>> interest. It seem like all other political parties, even IAC has no value
>> for local issues. So what way it claim to be different alternative from
>> existing parties. It seem that Mr. Bhavesh intention to invited me seem
>> to
>> just he wish to add me as one more person in audiences without having any
>> respect for the public issues which i wanted to address. Anyway after
>> waiting for 2 and half hour i felt like leaving without referring to what
>> i
>> had come for, but then i though, before i leave, lets complete the job of
>> taking the message across may be before just half the audience, who
>> infect
>> had no important role to play in policy decisions. Anyway, exactly as per
>> my what past experience had though me that here r people who r just
>> looking
>> for self glory and least bothered for Aam Aadmi issues. I took off 3
>> hours
>> from my busy schedule not for any personal problem or issue but because i
>> had expected that IAC could be only alternative to take the issue across
>> the mass as the issues which i wanted to refer r connected with
>> Corporates
>> ( Mobile operators radiation and Tata illegal possession of lakes without
>> any revenue contribution to nation ) and media fails to take the
>> cognizant
>> of these issues because of their commercial interest of loss of Ad
>> revenue,
>> politicians seem to be sold out, RTI r not replied since even govt has no
>> records because no land survey had been conducted or in case of Radiation
>> even if BMC made tall claims but we cannot trust them and citizen
>> monitoring and building pressure is required. But it seem all is just a
>> dream as leadership of IAC seem to be just targeting DELHI but surely
>> they
>> would fail even in this as if they r neglecting local aam aadmi and his
>> local issues.No doubt it is this neglect that there r just 100/200 people
>> attending their meeting who also get disillusion and fail to return again
>> in next meeting.
>>
>> In the end i could say, Mayank doing good job and it may be difficult to
>> find his replacement but he needs to change his attitude and neglect of
>> basic issues
>>
>> My analysis need to be taken in right sprite. i do not hold any personal
>> Vedanta against anyone. I took this pain to pen them down because as i
>> said
>> earlier, this is possibly the only hope after long time so if positive
>> correction is made timely, possibly we may not see this party suffering
>> from it ills.
>>
>> rgds,
>> Jitendra Gupta
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar

I wish Ajay Dixit explains his comment about my mafia links with truth and evidence and not some links and innuedos. We have all left our lives, comfortable jobs, families aside to fight for the nation against corruption. Do you think that someone who has a questionable past would take on the fight against the corrupt?

But one of the side effects of entering public life, are people like Ajay Dixit and his ilk. Initially, when I heard these unsubstantiated and cheap allegations against me, I felt like just quitting and going back to my cushy job - which I had quit on 12th august 2011, to fight the war for my nation. The negativity, the cheapness and the levels to which these accusers can go to filled my days and nights with questions and negativity. Prior to joining IAC, I was deep into spiritual search. Positivity and peace of mind were the effects of those meditational and blissful years.Some of my writings on spirituality can be found at http://mayankgandhi04.blogspot.in/

When Arvind asked me to take part in the IAC movement in Jan 2011, I decided to take a sabbatical from my activities and work for the movement. One of the primary reason was selfish. I felt that only when "What you think, what you say and what you do are aligned", do you achieve completeness, otherwise one is fractured from within. Having been exposed to the Indian knowledge system (meditation, yoga, ayurveda, astrology etc), I felt that it was the best civilizational ethos with one of the best conflict resolution systems and a holistic world view, and that this thought process based on knowledge, science and understanding should be the intellectual "jagat guru". Understanding that India can be the only "laboratory" of this knowledge system, it is extremely critical to make it a successful and prosperous nation. Therefore, when I think of the nation and what should be done to improve it, it was imperative that to become complete, I had to do what I believed in, even at the risk of destabilizing my life and exposing myself to people like Ajay Dixit.

I took up a job in 2006 end with my uncle's construction company to propagate his NGO "Remaking of Mumbai Federation" working as its secretary to plan an integrated, holistic redeveloped city to save the lives of lakhs of people living in over 20000 old and dilapidated buildings of south Mumbai. Unfortunately, my uncle died in March 2010 and the entire plan collapsed. I quit my job in Aug 2011, to fight for the nation, leaving aside my peace of mind and encountering a world which I never new - in which there would be people like Ajay Dixit whose only business is to throw muck. When the unfounded allegations against me surfaced by a RTI activist giving some interview to Mumbai Mirror, I tried to put the facts by writing a blog http://mayankgandhi05.blogspot.in/2012/03/romf-lok-housing-scam.html. But the innuedoes, dark whispers, trolling by BJP supporters and Ajay Dixits of the world is taking its toll.

I am asking myself again and again, whether anything is worth this kind of negativity, whether I should go back to my earlier ways. My peace of mind is being affected. But, on the other side, i have never been a quitter. If I quit now, I would let down lakhs of people who have given so much love and respect. The last two years have been tumultous. On one side are these Ajay Dixits (a handful) and on the other lakhs of wonderful people who have given so much for others, for society and for the nation. So, like a pendulum moving from one side "Brahma or God" to "Maya or worldy affairs", I keep on oscillating. But, the pull of doing the right thing keeps me on the track of working nevertheless.

May I request Ajay Dixit (or whatever his real name is) to remove me from this hacked list. You are welcome to write any nonsense that you wish about me. God bless you.

Love

Mayank

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:37 AM, IAC INFO <info.indiaagainstcorruption@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ujjawal Bhaiya

Before you further disrespect IAC movement and pass loose comments kindly shut up, dont talk about things you are not supposed to know, and answer the following.

1) You are only a small IAC coordinator from some small district in Madhya Pradeh. True/False ?

2) Only reason you are appointed as coordinator is because you are small part of Arvind Bhaiya's National black money extortion mafia. In simple words you are a 'khabri' (ie. informer) running network of other 'khabris'. True/False ?

3) It is very good that Manish had already been unsubscribed by our team even without your kind blessing. Today it seems that all corrupt persons are leaving their worlds (real or virtual) - 3 (Balasaheb, Ponty, Harvinder) had left and Manish was no. 4. Prashanth Bhushan and Mayank Gandhi are in the queue.

4) The answer to Digvijay Singh was given with full knowledge an desire of Arvind Bhaiya. Because Arvind Bhaiya could not answer the public why bhabhiji was posted in Delhi for 17 years continuously and also about Manish Bhaiya's foreign funds and alcholic photos and Mayank Bhaiya's mafia links and so many other questions which can never be answered properly, As a CA do you really think that any honest officer can stay in prime posting for so long ? Ash Bhaiya simply put out our reply naming PULOK CHATTERJI. Immediately, Diggy from jackal became a chooha. Do you deny that the next PR release was sent out from the official email ID of IAC by Ash Bhaiya with full knowledge of Arvind Bhaiya. True/False ?

5) Everyone will find out about IAC HQ at the right time.

6) If you still have any problem, please speak to Ash Bhaiya.

Ajay Dixit

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, CA Ujjawal Modi <ujjawal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Manish Bhaiya,

you can unsubscribe to this list by sending an email to
iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net .
This list is the one moderated by Mr. Ajay Dixit who replied to Diggy
on behalf of Arvind ji. We have tried to talk to him about this list
and other details but he seems to allege us of spamming his list with
the help of govt agencies. He seems to be publicizing himself by using
IAC name. He says he is from some IAC HQ which seems to exist only in
cyber world and has no real existance.

Regards,
CA Ujjawal Modi

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Regards

Mayank Gandhi

09920788909

Re: [IAC++] Re: Disillusion after attending IAC meeting

Replied to you on the FB post as well,

In IAC you are free to fill the gap you find. Local Issues are being taken/are to be taken up by local chapters. MG, AD and PV cannot be aware of all local issues. IAC is a platform of empowerment rather than dealership. IAC will support, empower, guide, provide a platform for the local people to come together and solve their problems. We are not like other political parties.

To close, feel free to fill the gap.

Raunak Maheshwari

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM, false <jitu11in@yahoo.com> wrote:

In response to my messages on different websites regarding IAC needs to take up local issues directly affecting Aam Aadmi since no other regular party is bothered about, i was invited by one Mr. Bhavesh of Santacruz east IAC, to attend their Janta Darbar today 1pm at Sita Sindhua Hall, Santaxruz east.

Followings r my good and bad observations about working and functioning of IAC, some points were encouraging but others were utter disastrous and caused total disillusionment on other aspects.

First i would talk about good observations, these r to encourage more people to join the movement which is only hope and in good direct as far as national and to some extend state level issues r concern.

1. Systematic registration of new members that were coming for first time. It was disclosed that in every meeting more than half r new members.
2. Star speakers Mayank gave some information on the subject and future course of action on the issues that r in hands of IAC as of now.
3. regular meetings being held every week at different locations in Mumbai to keep the momentum going.
4. Regular support and donations in the form of kind coming for all future programs.
5. I appreciate what Mayank made it clear that IAC is not for personal issues.

Now i would come to equally important bad points which need introspection, retrospection for having improvement and as IAC is no different or even worst than other political parties.

1. No discipline a) time given was 1pm but people strated turning up late and so speech started at 2.pm. Do people coming in time have time to waste.
b.)It is called a Aam Aadmi party but 3 Star Speaker Anjali Damani, Praful Vora and Mayank Gandhi, left immediately after completing their speech, with out bothering to lisen to other member of pubic that has come over there to speak and share what they wish to say. This is utter disrespect to Aam Aadmi. If this is the attitude even before their become any celebrity, imagine how they would behave later or may not be any different from any of the other existing Neta;s that we have today. Following them, many members of public also left, as if they all come to lisen to some vital information that they were expecting that their Neta;s would be sharing with them.
2. There was nothing substantial in the speech that Ms. Anjali and Mr. Vora gave, All facts that they kept on elaborating r known to every alert citizen who is hearing them for last few years or months now everyday in every News channel. They were just pulling their speech to kill time, which was quite boring and may be that is the reason, in every subsequent meetings the number of old members if just half.
3. The most important issue for which i was invited. Local issue of public interest. It seem like all other political parties, even IAC has no value for local issues. So what way it claim to be different alternative from existing parties. It seem that Mr. Bhavesh intention to invited me seem to just he wish to add me as one more person in audiences without having any respect for the public issues which i wanted to address. Anyway after waiting for 2 and half hour i felt like leaving without referring to what i had come for, but then i though, before i leave, lets complete the job of taking the message across may be before just half the audience, who infect had no important role to play in policy decisions. Anyway, exactly as per my what past experience had though me that here r people who r just looking for self glory and least bothered for Aam Aadmi issues. I took off 3 hours from my busy schedule not for any personal problem or issue but because i had expected that IAC could be only alternative to take the issue across the mass as the issues which i wanted to refer r connected with Corporates ( Mobile operators radiation and Tata illegal possession of lakes without any revenue contribution to nation ) and media fails to take the cognizant of these issues because of their commercial interest of loss of Ad revenue, politicians seem to be sold out, RTI r not replied since even govt has no records because no land survey had been conducted or in case of Radiation even if BMC made tall claims but we cannot trust them and citizen monitoring and building pressure is required. But it seem all is just a dream as leadership of IAC seem to be just targeting DELHI but surely they would fail even in this as if they r neglecting local aam aadmi and his local issues.No doubt it is this neglect that there r just 100/200 people attending their meeting who also get disillusion and fail to return again in next meeting.

In the end i could say, Mayank doing good job and it may be difficult to find his replacement but he needs to change his attitude and neglect of basic issues

My analysis need to be taken in right sprite. i do not hold any personal Vedanta against anyone. I took this pain to pen them down because as i said earlier, this is possibly the only hope after long time so if positive correction is made timely, possibly we may not see this party suffering from it ills.

rgds,
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[IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith

Dear Mr navnith

Though I am nobody to take or influence any decision in the IAC, just
a serious person eager to eradication corruption everywhere, but if
you think with cool mind that even if what you state is 50 % or even
more correct, why should any agitation for eradication of corruptions
throw away even such supporters and make them a shouting enemy ?

Sonia, Manmohan Singh, Digvijay, and many others in Congress or others
else where also loudly acclaim to end corruptions, every knows what
actually they mean and practice, but nobody asks them to keep away.
Why shun Medha Patkar, who is at least fighting along the right
thinking people.

What we should endeavour at the present time is not to shun
supporters, but to gather support from all people to mount pressure on
the Govt to pass the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and not the mischief scrap of
paper called Lok Pal Bill as passed by the Lok Sabha.

Every one everywhere gives his time and energy for some of the other
of his personal gains, even if it is name and fame, so did Mahatma,
Jawahar, for rightful cause, and now Sonia, DigVijay for wrongful
cause why single out Medha Patkar who is - at least to your thinking -
on the right side to erradicate corruption. Let us not diffuse the
greatly neeeded agitation for a right cause, and send out wrong
signals for the intentions of the present supporters, and give a lever
in hands of Govt for example while thousands of other pharmaceutical
are really manufacturing rotten medicines, but Govt singling out
RamDev for multiple extended Govt enquiries for so alleged spurious
medicines, to disrrupt the greatly needed cause and agitation. Kindly
think with wider preospective.

Respectfully yours

SurajParkash

On 11/17/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> When I commented on Medha,I never thought I am in the company of some
> intolerant people.I do not think I have used any abusive words against Medha
> for some to get excited over it and call it blasphemy.Does any one think
> that her NBA came a cropper just because of a split decision by the SC ? If
> that is the case every Andolan can be scuttled by a HC or SC.I think she is
> a professional agitator like a professional politician.She did not feel the
> pulse of the people and depended on support from abroad.I feel NBA became a
> failure because of her.
> Such people go around looking for agitations, what ever may be the cause,
> for publicity .She wants only a platform and is always in search of one.
> From where she gets her funds and I am sure it is not from those Narmada
> evacuees.I do agree that many people like me have no time to be a full time
> professional agitator like her.I have seen her in southern states also
> giving big speeches without any idea of the problems.
> Where was she when Anna and Arvind started their agitation? If Anna gives
> way too much to her as I see from TV,she trying to take over,,his agitation
> also will end up like NBA.That is my worry.
> Corruption is a big issue in this country.Anna and Arvind are doing good in
> their own way.At the same time this agitation should not be allowed to be
> hijacked by people like Medha.
>
>
>
> navnith
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
>> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
>> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
>> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
>> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>>
>> Dear friends :
>>
>> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
>> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
>> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
>> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
>> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
>>
>> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
>> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
>> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
>>
>> SurajParkash
>>
>> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > You are right.
>> >
>> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
>> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint
>> > I
>> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption,
>> > Inequity
>> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper
>> > due
>> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
>> > Supreme Court)".
>> >
>> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
>> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see
>> > for
>> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
>> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
>> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and
>> > maturity
>> > to avoid that.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sujit
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
>> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
>> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies
>> >> 9of
>> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
>> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
>> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the
>> >> father
>> >> of the nation...
>> >>
>> >> KUMAR
>> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
>> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
>> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>> >>
>> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same
>> >> coin.After
>> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
>> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is
>> >> better
>> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
>> >>
>> >> *navnith*
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
>> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>> >>
>> >> Hi Joya Mashi
>> >>
>> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
>> >> Wouldn't
>> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
>> >> Anyway,
>> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
>> >>
>> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
>> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest
>> >> in
>> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the
>> >> donors
>> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil
>> >> society"
>> >> as
>> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical
>> >> democracy.
>> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
>> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong
>> >> -
>> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
>> >>
>> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim
>> >> about
>> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her
>> >> getting
>> >> a
>> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such
>> >> as
>> >> at here
>> >>
>> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
>> >>
>> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
>> >> target
>> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
>> >>
>> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
>> >> out
>> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA
>> >> was
>> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
>> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
>> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing
>> >> debate.
>> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled
>> >> Singur
>> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive
>> >> monies
>> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
>> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
>> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal
>> >> to
>> >> investigate and follow the money)
>> >>
>> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
>> >> bench in 2011.
>> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
>> >>
>> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
>> >> the
>> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
>> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically
>> >> been
>> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
>> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894
>> >> could
>> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been
>> >> physically
>> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
>> >> could
>> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
>> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
>> >> actually
>> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
>> >> after
>> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
>> >> Court
>> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and
>> >> then
>> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
>> >> submit
>> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
>> >> area
>> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri
>> >> Alok
>> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
>> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
>> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually
>> >> incorrect
>> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the
>> >> bona
>> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
>> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make
>> >> any
>> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied.
>> >> Applicant
>> >> /
>> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis
>> >> only
>> >> to
>> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant
>> >> case
>> >> it
>> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
>> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed
>> >> the
>> >> true picture.
>> >>
>> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
>> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have
>> >> acted
>> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity.
>> >> Earlier
>> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
>> >> (1998)
>> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
>> >> and
>> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
>> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim
>> >> orders
>> >> of
>> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
>> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
>> >> assured
>> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
>> >> cause
>> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able
>> >> to
>> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
>> >>
>> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as
>> >> that
>> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd
>> >> chapters
>> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
>> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
>> >>
>> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
>> >> give
>> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
>> >> her
>> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are
>> >> her
>> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional
>> >> petticoats)
>> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005
>> >> was
>> >> drafted by them)
>> >>
>> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
>> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ?
>> >> Because
>> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off"
>> >> R&D
>> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it.
>> >> And
>> >> yet
>> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
>> >> eventually - till then read these).
>> >>
>> >> *Links (further reading)*:
>> >>
>> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >> *National Convenor
>> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
>> >> *
>> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hullo,
>> >> >
>> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
>> >> > citizens who go public)?
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a
>> >> > TISS
>> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
>> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer
>> >> > I
>> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
>> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu'
>> >> > hilltops
>> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
>> >> >
>> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens
>> >> > till
>> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
>> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you
>> >> > should
>> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
>> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
>> >> >
>> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
>> >> >
>> >> > Joya (Mashi)
>> >> >
>> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Dear Friends
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
>> >> >> Medha
>> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist)
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection
>> >> >> of.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
>> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
>> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
>> >> >> Magsaysay
>> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> views
>> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt
>> >> >> people.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I
>> >> >> couldn't
>> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
>> >> >> worth
>> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
>> >> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
>> >> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
>> >> >>
>> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
>> >> >>
>> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
>> >> >> foreign
>> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
>> >> Aruna
>> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was
>> >> >> offended.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being
>> >> >> communicated
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money
>> >> >> obsessed
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but
>> >> >> Anna
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons)
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of
>> >> >> grassroots
>> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
>> >> >> Since
>> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
>> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
>> >> >> researchers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sarbajit
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in
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Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar

Ujwal bhai

Can you explain list which is real.

first I started getting email from [IAC] indiaagainstcorruption but that after so many new email from [IAC++] iac have started which are also seeming from IAC.members.

What is happening. daily I am getting 5 telephone call. Rajkot is with Arvindbhai for now. but we support Anna also but Gujarat public does not like medha paktar..

MaganBhai
IAC Rajkot

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, CA Ujjawal Modi <ujjawal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Manish Bhaiya,

you can unsubscribe to this list by sending an email to
iac-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net .
This list is the one moderated by Mr. Ajay Dixit who replied to Diggy
on behalf of Arvind ji. We have tried to talk to him about this list
and other details but he seems to allege us of spamming his list with
the help of govt agencies. He seems to be publicizing himself by using
IAC name. He says he is from some IAC HQ which seems to exist only in
cyber world and has no real existance.

Regards,
CA Ujjawal Modi

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, <msisodia@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am surprised how I am getting these emails? Can I request the moderator to
> exclude me from this group.
>
> Manish Sisodia
> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
> ________________________________
> From: Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com>
> Sender: iac-request@lists.riseup.net
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:34:43 +0530
> To: kumar sohoni<sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>
> ReplyTo: iac@lists.riseup.net
> Cc: iac@lists.riseup.net<iac@lists.riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>
>
>
>
>
> You are right.
>
> I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails, particularly
> because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint I assume we do
> support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption, Inequity and Injustice.
> It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper due to lack of public
> support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the Supreme Court)".
>
> Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging limelight
> as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see for himself if
> that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory comments
> without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical argument and
> contributors to this forum should have the sense and maturity to avoid that.
>
> --
> Sujit
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>>
>> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
>> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies 9of
>> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
>> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
>> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the father of
>> the nation...
>>
>> KUMAR
>> From: Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
>> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>>
>> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same coin.After
>> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
>> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is better for
>> Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
>>
>> navnith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
>>
>> Hi Joya Mashi
>>
>> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't. Wouldn't
>> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ? Anyway,
>> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
>>
>> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
>> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest in
>> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the donors
>> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil society" as
>> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical democracy. When
>> our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them - preferably in
>> public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong - UNLIKE THE bananas
>> who never condescend to reply.
>>
>> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim about
>> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her getting a
>> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such as at
>> here
>>
>> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
>>
>> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we target
>> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
>>
>> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought out
>> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA was on
>> the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia article
>> which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire" (coincidentally so
>> also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing debate. What would be relevant
>> would if somebody showed that Medha stalled Singur (as a hired gun) so that
>> Tata empire could hang on to the massive monies mobilised from Nano advance
>> bookings and use it to buy up companies globally and then refinance it 3 or
>> 5 times on the rigged Indian stock markets by judicious insider trading.
>> (That would need a Sucheta Dalal to investigate and follow the money)
>>
>> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
>> bench in 2011.
>> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
>>
>> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with the
>> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
>> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically been
>> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
>> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894 could not
>> be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been physically
>> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same could
>> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great length
>> to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been actually
>> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only after
>> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this Court
>> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and then the
>> District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and submit the
>> report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the area and
>> recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri Alok Agrawal,
>> Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is evident from the
>> said report that statements made by the said applicant/respondent in the
>> Court, in this regard are factually incorrect and false. The Court has been
>> entertaining this petition under the bona fide belief that NBA was espousing
>> the grievance of inarticulate and illiterate poor farmers, with all
>> sincerity and thus, would not make any misleading statement. However, our
>> belief stands fully belied. Applicant / respondent made pleadings and
>> advanced arguments without any basis only to secure unwarranted benefits to
>> those tenure holders. In the instant case it stands discredited totally in
>> the eyes of this Court. This Court had been a little careful and cautious
>> in this regard, which has exposed the true picture.
>>
>> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in the
>> case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have acted at
>> every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity. Earlier also,
>> this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors., (1998) 5 SCC
>> 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan and described
>> it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th anniversary of the
>> stoppage of work of the dam under the interim orders of the Court. This
>> Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of implementing the R&R
>> Policy. However, at that time this Court was assured by the said NBA that
>> they "shall not directly or indirectly give any cause for concern by this
>> Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able to keep its solemn
>> undertaking given to this Court."
>>
>> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as that
>> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd chapters
>> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
>> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
>>
>> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that give
>> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before her
>> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are her
>> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional petticoats)
>> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005 was
>> drafted by them)
>>
>> Parting shot: Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to Tata
>> and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ? Because of
>> these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off" R&D NGOs
>> like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it. And yet Medha
>> says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report eventually -
>> till then read these).
>>
>> Links (further reading):
>>
>> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
>>
>> Sarbajit
>> National Convenor
>> India Against Corruption - Jan Andolan
>>
>> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hullo,
>> >
>> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
>> > citizens who go public)?
>> >
>> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a TISS
>> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
>> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer I
>> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
>> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu' hilltops
>> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
>> >
>> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens till
>> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
>> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you should
>> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
>> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
>> >
>> > How are you all otherwise?!
>> >
>> > Joya (Mashi)
>> >
>> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Dear Friends
>> >>
>> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms. Medha
>> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind people
>> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist) to my
>> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
>> >>
>> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection of.
>> >>
>> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
>> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
>> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
>> >> Magsaysay
>> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she was
>> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows my
>> >> views
>> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt people.
>> >>
>> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I couldn't
>> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
>> >> worth
>> >> the news stories which misled me were
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
>> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
>> >>
>> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
>> >>
>> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
>> >>
>> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
>> >>
>> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
>> >>
>> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is foreign
>> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
>> >> Aruna
>> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to those
>> >> who
>> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was offended.
>> >>
>> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being communicated in
>> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money obsessed
>> >> and
>> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but Anna
>> >> and
>> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons) are
>> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of grassroots
>> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
>> >> Since
>> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
>> >> should
>> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
>> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future researchers.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >
>>
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