Hum Janenge: 1/13/13

Saturday, January 19, 2013

[IAC#RG] FW: Dear Arvind, "Cooperation against Corruption"

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FWDD by B V Ramarao with a request to activists
to report further developments and efforts on a
continuing basis.

Will UPA present Lok Pal Bill in Budget Session in Feb 2013 ?

Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:24:16 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: parivartan_india@rediffmail.com; parivartanindia@gmail.com; indiaagainstcorruption@lists.riseup.net; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net;
Subject: [IAC#RG] Dear Arvind, "Cooperation against Corruption"

Dear Arvind (National Convenor - Aam Aadmi Party),

I'm so glad that the misunderstandings caused by Kiran (Bedi) are being resolved by our mutual well wishers. A clarification of sorts was also released on behalf of Annaji 2 days ago in the Indian Express which has expedited matters.

If we are to cooperate in this (Semi)-Final War, the serious allegations against your senior party members (Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan) must be resolved as you had publicly promised on 20 Oct 2012. The 3 months for the AAP's Lokpal to submit its report has expired yesterday, I trust that AAP's Lokpal was as effective as institution you had claimed it would be, and the proof of the pudding would be evident from its report which you would place in public domain in a day or two.

Warmly

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan

links:
http://www.upaghotala.com/2012/10/probe-against-3-iac-members-anjali.html
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/nov/291112-Mumbai-Activists-question-Aam-Aadmi-Partys-internal-Lokpal.htm

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Re: [IAC#RG] Dear Arvind, "Cooperation against Corruption"

Hope,you have gone thru this mail......

On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Arvind (National Convenor - Aam Aadmi Party),

I'm so glad that the misunderstandings caused by Kiran (Bedi) are being resolved by our mutual well wishers. A clarification of sorts was also released on behalf of Annaji 2 days ago in the Indian Express which has expedited matters.

If we are to cooperate in this (Semi)-Final War, the serious allegations against your senior party members (Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan) must be resolved as you had publicly promised on 20 Oct 2012. The 3 months for the AAP's Lokpal to submit its report has expired yesterday, I trust that AAP's Lokpal was as effective as institution you had claimed it would be, and the proof of the pudding would be evident from its report which you would place in public domain in a day or two.

Warmly

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan

links:
http://www.upaghotala.com/2012/10/probe-against-3-iac-members-anjali.html
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/nov/291112-Mumbai-Activists-question-Aam-Aadmi-Partys-internal-Lokpal.htm

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Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Good discussions. Is there a way to get digest of these messages instead of every message?

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM, pavan nair <pavannair1@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree. Here is a small piece somewhat more moderate, posted by me on the EPW website. Incidentally, General Vombatkere is in the Guiness book for having constructed the highest Bailey Bridge at Khardungla! Col Pavan Nair

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/skirmishing-line-control.htm

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com> wrote:

The paper put forward by Major Gen. Vombatkere seems well researched and deserves to be read by the Indian Establishment for evolving a new blue print urgently for dealing with Pakistan, instead of depending on Aman Ki Asha and ruling out any option except talking peace to our aggressive neighbour.

With regards

Prof N.Natarajan

From: sudhir vombatkere <sg9kere@live.com>
To: Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Friends,

I am ATTACHING a piece on the stand that India might take on the present India-Pakistan stand-off, since there appear to be either peace-at-all-costs or give-'em-hell approaches in the public domain.

IAC would certainly have a view on this subject.

Maj Gen S.G.Vombatkere (Retd)

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[IAC#RG] Dear Arvind, "Cooperation against Corruption"

Dear Arvind (National Convenor - Aam Aadmi Party),

I'm so glad that the misunderstandings caused by Kiran (Bedi) are being resolved by our mutual well wishers. A clarification of sorts was also released on behalf of Annaji 2 days ago in the Indian Express which has expedited matters.

If we are to cooperate in this (Semi)-Final War, the serious allegations against your senior party members (Mayank Gandhi, Anjali Damania and Prashant Bhushan) must be resolved as you had publicly promised on 20 Oct 2012. The 3 months for the AAP's Lokpal to submit its report has expired yesterday, I trust that AAP's Lokpal was as effective as institution you had claimed it would be, and the proof of the pudding would be evident from its report which you would place in public domain in a day or two.

Warmly

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan

links:
http://www.upaghotala.com/2012/10/probe-against-3-iac-members-anjali.html
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/nov/291112-Mumbai-Activists-question-Aam-Aadmi-Partys-internal-Lokpal.htm

Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

IT IS NOT VERY MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY DOING EXCEPT FOR SOME LONG TERM MEASURES TO STRENGTHEN OUR DEFENSES.
I WOULD SUGGEST A MUCH BIGGER ROLE FOR RAW. IT SHOULD ACTIVELY WORK ON THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS TO CREATE A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR INDIA.ALSO OUR ANSWER FOR COVERT OPERATIONS BY PAKISTAN SHOULD BE COVERT OPERATIONS.
VIJAYA SINGH

From: sudhir vombatkere <sg9kere@live.com>
To: Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Friends,

I am ATTACHING a piece on the stand that India might take on the present India-Pakistan stand-off, since there appear to be either peace-at-all-costs or give-'em-hell approaches in the public domain.

IAC would certainly have a view on this subject.

Maj Gen S.G.Vombatkere (Retd)

Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:20:01 +0800
From: natarajan218@yahoo.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Dear All,

As a principle, no member of IAC should use the forum to cavass the interest of any class. Please remember Gandhiji's last man. Any concession to anybody is at the cost of the poorest and the hungriest. Even the current formula of pay/pension based DearnessAllowance is most unfair to the pooer sections of unorganized sector. DA should be based on minimum need for survival.

With regards

Prof N.Natarajan

From: Gautam Guha <shona.guha9@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
Winnability is not the only criteria whilst contesting for
elections.The guy must
not have a record of dishonesty, criminality.Martin Luther King
said"The ultimate
tragedy is not the brutality of bad people but the silence of the good
people".The
racial discrimination in USA was overcome with long struggle starting
from Lincoln,
now you have a black President.
If the elected leaders of India does not curb corruption,criminals in
Politics this
nation is doomed.As per ADR 33% of our legislators have criminal background, the
will of the remainder 67% must prevail. We Indians have a crab mentality, very
adept at running others down. The attachment on FM Cariappa is
illumanitive, soldiers do not compromise on honesty, integrity,
welfare of troops and prepared
to die for the nation. I consider the Indian armed forces the peoples'
armed forces
as it is a voluntary force. Unfortunately the politicians, bureaucrats
treat us with
suspicion do not give the due as the defenders of the nation.The Govt of the day
should have perspective on strategy, tactics for national security
both external,and
internal.Corruption in defence procurements saps the armed forces of
vital preparedness.It is routine for the service chiefs to point out
to PM,RM the shortfalls
in their respective service, Pmo's office leaked out such a
correspondence between
the PM and COAS, it amounts to high treason. I personally held 100 Top Secret
Files, had I BEEN DISHONEST THE NATION'S SECURITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
COMPROMISED.
When I visited my niece in Mumbai , travelling to Pune on the
expressway the toll tax was waived on showing my exservices I card.
Wonder why other states do not
standarddise.Because of the apathy towards the armed forces more and more
younger generation do not join the armed forces resulting in huge
shortage of officers.
The nation that does not respect its armed forces will always be in
peril. Indian history bears testimony to the fact that we Indians have
been subjugated by foreigners for centuries. We have to rid of ji
hazoori, slavish mentality from our
psyche.
Even today my icons are Rabindranath Tagore, Bankim Chatterjee, Subhash Bose'
who gave the nation JANA GANA MANA, JAI HIND, VANDEMATARAM. Raja
Rammohan Roy , Vidyasagar, who reformed our archaical society. MAHATMA
GANDHI gave us Satyagraha, the struggle to oppose evils with truth and
collective
effort.
People like you must lead the transformation process not like politicians with
divide and rule vote bank politics,and denigrating other Indians.God
has given us
enough intellect to distinguish right from wrong.I am now 73 years
old, distressed
for the poverty stricken, helpless common people, personal happiness cannot
come if we do not follow Swami Vivekanadas precepts of HE MURKHA, HE
CHANDAL BHARATBASI AMAR BHAI.
Rabi Thakur said"Where the mind is without fear,And the head is held
high,In that
heaven of freedom let my country awake"
Pardon my rambling, it is a trait with Bengalis.
JAI HIND, VANDE MATARAM SATYAMEV JAYATE, PEOPLE FIRST MISSION ALWAYS
GOD BLESS
Gautam Guha

On 1/18/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Wing Cmdr Gautam Guha,
>
> I have carefully gone through my post which you had kindly annexed as
> under. I fail to find anything remotely insulting either to IESM members of
> this forum or IESM members generally.
>
> If you had relied on some other post of mine, kindly annexe it so we can
> discuss the alleged insult(s). We can do this on-list or off-list at your
> convenience.
>
> To save time, if your grouse is about the 2 emails to Gen VK Singh, I may
> mention that I know of at least 3 Generals at least as good as he was who
> stood for Parliament and lost. I am sure you know their names as well as I
> do.
>
> I read your fwd of the Brig's bio. Perhaps you would have read this link
> too :-
>
> http://www.mangalorean.com/browsearticles.php?arttype=Feature&articleid=1895
>
> which is as apt today as it was then. The more things change the more they
> remain the same.
>
> When elections are fought today after tickets are given on carefully
> calculated religious, provincial, caste and other fault lines, what is this
> humbug of VKS and Anna recommending the "most honest" candidate ? Are
> "Honesty" and "Winnability" synonyms ??
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Gautam Guha <shona.guha9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr Sarabjit Roy,
>> I wonder who entitled you to insult IESM members on this forum. You seem
>> to have
>> a bug in your khopri against retired defence services personnel. Maybe
>> you
>> can
>> tell us how many wars you fought for the tricolour and the people of
>> India.
>> If you do not desist from insulting IESM members at least I wiil
>> retaliate in kind.Do
>> not test the patience of us veterans. Please carry on your crusade
>> against
>> the
>> prevailing ills of the nation, we are with you.
>> Wg Cdr Gautam Guha
>> Veteran Air Warrior
>>
>> On 1/17/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Col Thakur Singh
>> >
>> > At a micro level, I absolutely agree that some form of toll exemption /
>> > concession may be given to IESMs against production of a secure
>> > authentication token. But the same facility will then be demanded by
>> every
>> > ex-babu and ex-IPS and ex-municipal councillor etc.
>> >
>> > At a macro level, if the Highway is owned by the Govt there should be
>> > no
>> > toll whatsoever.
>> >
>> > I also have no problem with Col Khokar exercising his fundamental
>> > Constitutional rights to "freely" travel the length and breadth of
>> > India,
>> > subject of course to reasonable restrictions. As an Army Officer, the
>> > law
>> > allowed his vehicle to pass freely, as an IESM (he is a civilian) he
>> must
>> > obey the general law like everyone else.
>> >
>> > That is the tragedy (and greatness) of democracy, and perhaps your Jan
>> > Sangh Party
>> > will work with us to reach the common goal for which we have both been
>> > cordially corresponding for so many years now over.
>> >
>> > It is for this reason we are going to be asking for IESMs to be
>> > appointed
>> > as Justice of the Peace (among other things).
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Col Thakur Singh
>> > <thakursinghk@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Ex Army people ought to have been given Toll exemption as we deserve
>> >> it vis-a-vis MPs/MLAs who stand exempted unduly.
>> >>
>> >> This is the whole problem.
>> >>
>> >> So Dear S Roy Sahab it is Col Khokar's legitimate right of which he
>> >> stands deprived off,
>> >> dont you agree being against corruption yourself.
>> >>
>> >> Remember it is only army the savior of the country ever under all the
>> >> circumstances.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Col Thakur Singh
>>
>

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Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

I agree. Here is a small piece somewhat more moderate, posted by me on the EPW website. Incidentally, General Vombatkere is in the Guiness book for having constructed the highest Bailey Bridge at Khardungla! Col Pavan Nair

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/skirmishing-line-control.htm

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com> wrote:

The paper put forward by Major Gen. Vombatkere seems well researched and deserves to be read by the Indian Establishment for evolving a new blue print urgently for dealing with Pakistan, instead of depending on Aman Ki Asha and ruling out any option except talking peace to our aggressive neighbour.

With regards

Prof N.Natarajan

From: sudhir vombatkere <sg9kere@live.com>
To: Natarajan <natarajan218@yahoo.com>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Friends,

I am ATTACHING a piece on the stand that India might take on the present India-Pakistan stand-off, since there appear to be either peace-at-all-costs or give-'em-hell approaches in the public domain.

IAC would certainly have a view on this subject.

Maj Gen S.G.Vombatkere (Retd)

RE: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Hi All,
Maybe we need to initiate "contempt of Court" proceedings against Mesrs Rajdeep who collect toll from Ropar to Phagwara and Ropar to Dasuya. They were charging toll about 2 years ago, then they stopped, BUT have now started charging toll again. ALSO, between Delhi and Chandigarh NHA1 does not recognise this order. Maybe we need a stir to have us listed on the exempt board on display!
Regards - KJ

Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:17:37 -0800
From: colkulbir@yahoo.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: navdeepsingh.india@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Friends,

As per the attached letter, it is apparently clear that clause of exemption stands. Wonder where is the hitch?

Perhaps our friend Navdeep shall give a clarification along with the relevant copy of the SC judgment quoted in the case.

Col Kulbir Singh, Veteran

M - 9855197417

From: Gautam Guha <shona.guha9@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

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Re: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

This is great, this poem very succinctly describe the truth of our elections evident at every level-Zila Parishad,corp[oration, Assembly or parliament.
Good to see now your write ups-the rich contents, topical subjects and very balanced opinion.
JP nauni,veteran

2013/1/19 Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>

Since we have short memories,such msgs should keep appearing till elections are announced.
JKG

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:18:45 -0800
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

Thats great Ravi. Thanks
REGARDS
Colonel KHUSHMINDER SAHASI, PE, MSCE, FIE, FIGS, Veteran
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:39:51 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

True we have short memories and the beneficiaries are our Netas.

2013/1/16 Ghulam kundanam <ghulam.kundanam@gmail.com>

चुनाव आएगा
....................

चुनाव आएगा
तब बिजली होगी,
चुनावी साल में
होगा सब सस्ता.

फिर किसानों के कर्जे
माफ़ होंगे,
दी जाएगी
मुफ्तखोरी का चस्का.

नेताओं के चेहरे तब
जनता को दिखेंगे,
हमारी बेवकूफी पर
खिलखिलाता हँसता.

हर जगह शिलाएं गड़ेंगी,
हर जगह उदघाटन होगा,
जनता खुश नेता खुश,
बढ़ा विदेशी कर्ज का बस्ता.

जनता बहुत भुलक्कड़ है,
सारे घोटाले घोंट जाती,
नेता भी सब जानते हैं,
वोट का जाति-संप्रदाय रास्ता.

बिहार के मुख्यमंत्री माननीय नितीश कुमार जी ने कहा था बिहार में बिजली
नहीं सुधरी तो वोट मांगने नहीं जायेंगे. अभी तो हम मोबाइल चार्ज करने के
लिए भी तरस रहे हैं.. बिजली के भरोसे कंप्यूटर खोलना बंद करना तो दूर की
बात है.. कोई मोबाइल लेकर पडोसी के यहाँ जाना पड़ता है जिसके घर इनवर्टर
या जेनरेटर उपलब्ध होता है. चुनावी वर्ष में शायद हमारी समस्या ख़त्म हो
जाए!!!!

ॐ . ੴ . اللّٰه . † …….
Om.Onkar. Allâh.God…..
Jai Hind! Jai Jagat (Universe)!

- Ghulam Kundanam,
Volunteer, IAC & AAP.
9931018391.

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Re: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

ये किस के नाम से छापनी है जी

अपनी फोटो भी भेजो और जल्दी

2013/1/19 Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com>

Since we have short memories,such msgs should keep appearing till elections are announced.
JKG

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:18:45 -0800
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

Thats great Ravi. Thanks
REGARDS
Colonel KHUSHMINDER SAHASI, PE, MSCE, FIE, FIGS, Veteran
108670 Wraysbury Way
RANCHO CORDOVA, CA 95670
CELL: 6092306501

Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:39:51 +0530
From: ravigrover20@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

True we have short memories and the beneficiaries are our Netas.

2013/1/16 Ghulam kundanam <ghulam.kundanam@gmail.com>

चुनाव आएगा
....................

चुनाव आएगा
तब बिजली होगी,
चुनावी साल में
होगा सब सस्ता.

फिर किसानों के कर्जे
माफ़ होंगे,
दी जाएगी
मुफ्तखोरी का चस्का.

नेताओं के चेहरे तब
जनता को दिखेंगे,
हमारी बेवकूफी पर
खिलखिलाता हँसता.

हर जगह शिलाएं गड़ेंगी,
हर जगह उदघाटन होगा,
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जनता बहुत भुलक्कड़ है,
सारे घोटाले घोंट जाती,
नेता भी सब जानते हैं,
वोट का जाति-संप्रदाय रास्ता.

बिहार के मुख्यमंत्री माननीय नितीश कुमार जी ने कहा था बिहार में बिजली
नहीं सुधरी तो वोट मांगने नहीं जायेंगे. अभी तो हम मोबाइल चार्ज करने के
लिए भी तरस रहे हैं.. बिजली के भरोसे कंप्यूटर खोलना बंद करना तो दूर की
बात है.. कोई मोबाइल लेकर पडोसी के यहाँ जाना पड़ता है जिसके घर इनवर्टर
या जेनरेटर उपलब्ध होता है. चुनावी वर्ष में शायद हमारी समस्या ख़त्म हो
जाए!!!!

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Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

With due respect, I disagree.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:

Ex Army people ought to have been given Toll exemption as we deserve
it vis-a-vis MPs/MLAs who stand exempted unduly.

The Army too is a job. A role in one of the pillars upholding the country. No more, no less honorable among the hundreds of kinds of people needed for the well being of the country.

I am not aware that there are any exemptions officially given or if they extend to rallys, but arbitrarily deciding and enforcing exemptions is neither the mark of an upright officer, nor does it grace a protector to terrify citizens into waiving charges.

We cannot hope for rule of law selectively with might determining right. We have that already and it is not working.

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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT EMAIL about IAC

Hello Dear Sarbajit.Roy,

Keep up the spirit in your endeavour for the nation to grow with honour and dignity in the hands of people having moral values and courage to meet the challenges which lay ahead with the nation. I express my deep concern for this cause and mission and wish to be associated with it come what may at this age of 75 years.

Arvind may still remember what I said on 17th June or so in 2011 at Press Club of India that let the Government agree to bring any kind of Bill (about which I was sure that they will not bring out any bill) which can be amended accordingly to the need of the provisions contained because even the Constitution of India has gone through innumerable amendments after it was enacted. But he said no let us have clear view whether the Govt. is bringing out the Lokpal Bill or not and we will insist our own Lokpal Bill and nothing less. Nothing happened even after 18 months of the statement where Anna, Kiran Bedi, Prashant Bhushan were also present in that Press Conference on that day. Any how, let us see which way the wind blows after we come together for this mission.

Jai Bharat,

Yours sincerely,

Karamveer Chakra Fellow 2012

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM, sangeeta tomar <tomarsangeeta27@gmail.com> wrote:

We respect your view and understand the problem.We can still be to gather by our actions i.e not be corrupt our self.

Regards,

Maj Sangeeta Tomar

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

For the last 3 months Dr. Kiran Bedi has been running a smear campaign to persuade respected Anna Hazareji to "claim" / "reclaim" the India Against Corruption banner / brand-name etc - call it what you will.

We have also seen an explosion of venom on this list from all sides - which we have tried to circulate even though some of it was very abusive and even made absolutely false personal allegations against me.

I am glad to announce that due to efforts of our well-wishers (after all we are all together in this epochal movement against corruption, and we greatly respect IESMs etc) Shri Anna Hazareji has announced that he is dropping his claim to the IAC brand name etc and will close his Delhi office.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Anna-drops-IAC-brand-name--to-close-Delhi-office/1061067/

IAC therefore salutes respected Anna Hazareji, we will always love, respect and cherish his pioneering work against corruption, and shall follow as closely as we can in his footsteps and uphold his ideas and principles.

We respect Anna's view that the BJVA will be a grassroots movement of the people of BHARAT. We at IAC, however, shall convey forcefully the ideology of the people of INDIA. Both India and Bharat are 2 birds sitting on the same tree - always together and needing to co-exist. We view our Armed Forces and the IESM movement as the natural link between India and Bharat, and are confident that together we shall forge this nation into a pure and righteous nation such as History has never seen before.

We fully support Annaji's meeting at Patna, and even though Annaji may not now have a home or office in Delhi due to the financial crises, he is always in our hearts and ever welcome at my own humble abode or those of IAC's officer bearers.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

The paper put forward by Major Gen. Vombatkere seems well researched and deserves to be read by the Indian Establishment for evolving a new blue print urgently for dealing with Pakistan, instead of depending on Aman Ki Asha and ruling out any option except talking peace to our aggressive neighbour.

With regards

Prof N.Natarajan

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Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Open letters (2) to Gen V.K. Singh

Dear All,

With regards

Prof N.Natarajan

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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT EMAIL about IAC

Dear Col Nauni

At a basic level none of us had a problem with Anna per se. What some members had problems with were :-

a) Anna getting swayed and distracted by clever persons like Dr Bedi, who would surround him and make him keep changing his statements. Kiran Bedi realised that without Anna she was nothing and that Team-Arvind had no place for an autocrat like her (ie. 2 autocrats in AAP). This also came out when the 5 member team for JanLokpal Bill was finalised and she was left out.

b) The sequence of operations for the split between IAC and AAP was not allowed to be completed as informally agreed. The essential problem with the previous IAC was their lack of intellectual depth. This was evident during the process of drafting the Jan Lokpal Bill. Our team was supposed to overcome that. Unfortunately Dr. Bedi was constantly sabotaging us, and newcomers like Gen.VKS and Col Kochar etc, who didnt know who we were, got unfortunately caught in the cross-fire.

I am glad that matters seem to be getting resolved through good sense prevailing everywhere, and we can each get on with the roles we are supposed to play in this anti-corruption drama.

PS: you may have missed that IAC has already "saluted" Anna for his pioneering work against corruption in my previous email.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, jagdish nauni <jagdishnauni@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for withdrawing from the anti -Anna campaign some of your members have been spreading. One may oppose his philosophy or the conduct of his ant-corruption crusade but none has any business to use abusivew language and even be little him for his humble beginning as a soldier in the Army. In fact he should be saluted for his courage and dedication for a great national cause.
col j p nauni

Re: [IAC#RG] Basic ingredients of IAC

Dear Rai ji, Namaskar.

I am from Kolkata. I was a keen observer and a big supporter of Arvind ji and AAP. But I am quite puzzled seeing very mute or even zero response of AAP and Arvind ji on the hate speech of Akbaruddin Owaisi and on the brutal act of Pakistani soldiers on Indian soldiers. Can you please explain me this?

With regards and expectation,

Tapan Ghosh

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:44 PM, BRIJESH KUMAR RAI <bkraikac@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I think that our politicians have successfully divided the public movement. The best thing for them is divide and rule, the old British dealings in Our country. It seems you all including Anna Hazare, are playing into the hands of so called political class and they will continue to make fool of common man. Need of the hour is unite under one grand umbrella and fight it out against the political class.

It is not the fight of Anna Hazare or Arvind Kejriwal alone, it will have to be by all of us Indians together. This cannot be done without forming one grand party against, all the present lot of NETAS and Political Parties,( they are all one and united in looting the resources of our country), this cleaning of dirt cannot be done from outside, because time for those demands have already gone in past, people of this country have already seen it.

Election is an important issue, which a common man has to deal with, it can't be left for last few days before elections. People like us have to be united under one grand umbrella. I appeal to all of you to stop bickering s against each other. Electoral Reform will come later, first our people have to win election under present rules. Our politicians are confidant they can manage it. Feed the vote bank and divide opposition votes. So if you want to achieve Jan Lokpal, Electoral Reform where people can choose and select it's representative, decentralization of power to common man to strengthen the democratic fabric etc...etc.. then please unite. Show us the unity for the sake of Nation and rise above petty politics.

Aam Aadami Party (AAP) is one such umbrella or platform by the people, for the people. It's constitution allows common man to select it's own candidate for elections. Election expenses and campaigning becomes peoples own project, because a win or loss will be of the people. Our objective is to cleanse and change the system of governance and not just change the government. Afterwards, let it be any government. it has to run by the rules made by common man. It becomes our duty to get united and work towards this goal. who does it, is immaterial.

BRIJESH KUMAR RAI
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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:15 AM, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Dear Wanchoo,

Lot of confusion being created about IAC only by Kiran Bedi because we''re asking her about where all the money colllected from IAC WestBengal totaling more then 28 lakh disappered.

Everyday she was changing her story not coming on phone. A group of us come to Delhi and go to her house and basement office in Udday Park. For 3 dayas she dont meet us and younng girls in her office tell us lies. We find that she is using the money into Annas new officce which while rentedd by Vicky Donor prodcuer was 5 lak rupee per month. The landlord is Congress worker and very close to Bedi. Then we ask where the rent money is coming from, they tell some "anonymous" donor has given 12 lacs for paying the rent of 1 lac per month.

There is no anonymous donationtion, it is stolen money of poor people of Bengal and Kiranbedi, Anna and VeekY are only Congress persons and stealiong our money. Howe many other states she has done same cheating will come out in police investigation.

Mohd Raaz Baig
IAC (NCPRI) Coordinator

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Amarnath Wanchoo <wanchoo@sports-india.com> wrote:

I don't know why am getting these messages because I had never joined the IAC movement. But if you ask me there seems to be utter confusion in the IAC and with (Anna) Hazare.

If you want your money back with interest Mr. Baig then the proper thing to do would be to approach an Office Bearer in the Organisation and stop collaring anyone like General V. K. Singh that you come across. Otherwise send a legal notice to IAC or Kiran Bedi the recipient of the money.

Best and regards,

Amarnath Wanchoo

From: M Baig

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:54 AM

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Basic ingredients of IAC

Hello Gen VK

Since last 3 months Anna has done nothing for IAC and has not contacted IAC coordinators. All he doing is creating confusion in mind of public. Dos he have any action plan, if so what it is ? Now there is no need or hope for Lokpal Bill. That phase of IAC movement is over and nobody wants Lokpal Bill not even NCPRI.

We had also collected over Rs. 28 lakhs which was given to IAC for Anna through Kiran Bedi. Team Arvind is not replying to us how the money was used, they say we should contact Anna Hazare, Kiran Bedi or anyone else we care in IAC as they were collecting funds for PCRF not for IAC If you have any idea about our money, please inform us or return the same to us immediately with interest.

Mohd Raaz Baig
IAC (NCPRI) Coordinator

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:07 AM, <veekaysingh@gmail.com> wrote:

Bedi's stance keeps changing. IAC is firmly with Anna. Rally on 30th is of the masses and IAC is part of it.
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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT EMAIL about IAC

Thanks for withdrawing from the anti -Anna campaign some of your members have been spreading. One may oppose his philosophy or the conduct of his ant-corruption crusade but none has any business to use abusivew language and even be little him for his humble beginning as a soldier in the Army. In fact he should be saluted for his courage and dedication for a great national cause.
col j p nauni

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

For the last 3 months Dr. Kiran Bedi has been running a smear campaign to persuade respected Anna Hazareji to "claim" / "reclaim" the India Against Corruption banner / brand-name etc - call it what you will.

We have also seen an explosion of venom on this list from all sides - which we have tried to circulate even though some of it was very abusive and even made absolutely false personal allegations against me.

I am glad to announce that due to efforts of our well-wishers (after all we are all together in this epochal movement against corruption, and we greatly respect IESMs etc) Shri Anna Hazareji has announced that he is dropping his claim to the IAC brand name etc and will close his Delhi office.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Anna-drops-IAC-brand-name--to-close-Delhi-office/1061067/

IAC therefore salutes respected Anna Hazareji, we will always love, respect and cherish his pioneering work against corruption, and shall follow as closely as we can in his footsteps and uphold his ideas and principles.

We respect Anna's view that the BJVA will be a grassroots movement of the people of BHARAT. We at IAC, however, shall convey forcefully the ideology of the people of INDIA. Both India and Bharat are 2 birds sitting on the same tree - always together and needing to co-exist. We view our Armed Forces and the IESM movement as the natural link between India and Bharat, and are confident that together we shall forge this nation into a pure and righteous nation such as History has never seen before.

We fully support Annaji's meeting at Patna, and even though Annaji may not now have a home or office in Delhi due to the financial crises, he is always in our hearts and ever welcome at my own humble abode or those of IAC's officer bearers.

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RE: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

Since we have short memories,such msgs should keep appearing till elections are announced.
JKG

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:18:45 -0800
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

Thats great Ravi. Thanks
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] चुनाव आएगा

True we have short memories and the beneficiaries are our Netas.

2013/1/16 Ghulam kundanam <ghulam.kundanam@gmail.com>

चुनाव आएगा
....................

चुनाव आएगा
तब बिजली होगी,
चुनावी साल में
होगा सब सस्ता.

फिर किसानों के कर्जे
माफ़ होंगे,
दी जाएगी
मुफ्तखोरी का चस्का.

नेताओं के चेहरे तब
जनता को दिखेंगे,
हमारी बेवकूफी पर
खिलखिलाता हँसता.

हर जगह शिलाएं गड़ेंगी,
हर जगह उदघाटन होगा,
जनता खुश नेता खुश,
बढ़ा विदेशी कर्ज का बस्ता.

जनता बहुत भुलक्कड़ है,
सारे घोटाले घोंट जाती,
नेता भी सब जानते हैं,
वोट का जाति-संप्रदाय रास्ता.

बिहार के मुख्यमंत्री माननीय नितीश कुमार जी ने कहा था बिहार में बिजली
नहीं सुधरी तो वोट मांगने नहीं जायेंगे. अभी तो हम मोबाइल चार्ज करने के
लिए भी तरस रहे हैं.. बिजली के भरोसे कंप्यूटर खोलना बंद करना तो दूर की
बात है.. कोई मोबाइल लेकर पडोसी के यहाँ जाना पड़ता है जिसके घर इनवर्टर
या जेनरेटर उपलब्ध होता है. चुनावी वर्ष में शायद हमारी समस्या ख़त्म हो
जाए!!!!

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Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT EMAIL about IAC

We respect your view and understand the problem.We can still be to gather by our actions i.e not be corrupt our self.

Regards,

Maj Sangeeta Tomar

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

For the last 3 months Dr. Kiran Bedi has been running a smear campaign to persuade respected Anna Hazareji to "claim" / "reclaim" the India Against Corruption banner / brand-name etc - call it what you will.

We have also seen an explosion of venom on this list from all sides - which we have tried to circulate even though some of it was very abusive and even made absolutely false personal allegations against me.

I am glad to announce that due to efforts of our well-wishers (after all we are all together in this epochal movement against corruption, and we greatly respect IESMs etc) Shri Anna Hazareji has announced that he is dropping his claim to the IAC brand name etc and will close his Delhi office.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Anna-drops-IAC-brand-name--to-close-Delhi-office/1061067/

IAC therefore salutes respected Anna Hazareji, we will always love, respect and cherish his pioneering work against corruption, and shall follow as closely as we can in his footsteps and uphold his ideas and principles.

We respect Anna's view that the BJVA will be a grassroots movement of the people of BHARAT. We at IAC, however, shall convey forcefully the ideology of the people of INDIA. Both India and Bharat are 2 birds sitting on the same tree - always together and needing to co-exist. We view our Armed Forces and the IESM movement as the natural link between India and Bharat, and are confident that together we shall forge this nation into a pure and righteous nation such as History has never seen before.

We fully support Annaji's meeting at Patna, and even though Annaji may not now have a home or office in Delhi due to the financial crises, he is always in our hearts and ever welcome at my own humble abode or those of IAC's officer bearers.

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