Saturday, August 24, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] [rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

Dear IAC subscribers

I am circulating some additional details.

Anna Hazare/BVJA/LTM and I, IAC today have hardly anything in common except

a) Our abiding commitment to uproot corruption in a revolutionary ('krantikari') way

b) Determination that path to do this is by following way of HRA's martyrs - Sanyal, Lahiri, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Rajguru and so on.

Mere posturing, play acting and sucking up to Govt Ministers will not achieve anything substantial when today Hindustan is so much worse off then even Muslim (Mughal) or Christian (East India Co.) times.

In matter of RTI it was clearly communicated to UPA Govt that until and unless HRA gets a clear and official answer in RTI to Rahul Gandhi's public statement that he is a Brahmin there is no question of HRA's votes going to Congress party in these elections.

It is also in public domain that I put out an email to this effect on 24.08.2013 at 4:00 PM mentioning that 8 million votes of HRA depend on the RTI reply to HRA's question as this will change the definition of Hinduism as most Indians know it.

At 5:00 PM a decision was taken to postpone the passage of the RTI Amendment Bill which would have delayed the RTI reply to HRA. As AnnaBVA has mentioned a call was also apparently made to Anna (is he in India or USA ?) asking him not to go on agitation.

As the VHP has given a call to support the agitation of the sants and mahants in UP (where HRA equally has vast support), it is important that Hinduism and Hindutva is properly defined by the Congress Party so that the real secular forces like HRA may take up their positions and defend the nation and the national religion as we have been doing for centuries.

Sarbajit



On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
Friend

Anna does not need to say anything. His not saying anything is enough for this government.

Anna has spoken on appointment of Information Commissioners. The Minister has explained things properly and Anna has also replied back.

Anna is relaunching anti-corruption movement from 6 December 2013 in Delhi. All pseudo-secularist NAC dalals may mark the date very carefully.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:
friend,

There was no involvement of BVA group in the protest of rti amendments, actually you did not remain in loop of any protest nor there was any statement of Anna.




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
friends

Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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Re: [rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

Dear IAC subscribers

I am circulating some additional details.

Anna Hazare/BVJA/LTM and I, IAC today have hardly anything in common except

a) Our abiding commitment to uproot corruption in a revolutionary ('krantikari') way

b) Determination that path to do this is by following way of HRA's martyrs - Sanyal, Lahiri, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Rajguru and so on.

Mere posturing, play acting and sucking up to Govt Ministers will not achieve anything substantial when today Hindustan is so much worse off then even Muslim (Mughal) or Christian (East India Co.) times.

In matter of RTI it was clearly communicated to UPA Govt that until and unless HRA gets a clear and official answer in RTI to Rahul Gandhi's public statement that he is a Brahmin there is no question of HRA's votes going to Congress party in these elections.

It is also in public domain that I put out an email to this effect on 24.08.2013 at 4:00 PM mentioning that 8 million votes of HRA depend on the RTI reply to HRA's question as this will change the definition of Hinduism as most Indians know it.

At 5:00 PM a decision was taken to postpone the passage of the RTI Amendment Bill which would have delayed the RTI reply to HRA. As AnnaBVA has mentioned a call was also apparently made to Anna (is he in India or USA ?) asking him not to go on agitation.

As the VHP has given a call to support the agitation of the sants and mahants in UP (where HRA equally has vast support), it is important that Hinduism and Hindutva is properly defined by the Congress Party so that the real secular forces like HRA may take up their positions and defend the nation and the national religion as we have been doing for centuries.

Sarbajit



On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
Friend

Anna does not need to say anything. His not saying anything is enough for this government.

Anna has spoken on appointment of Information Commissioners. The Minister has explained things properly and Anna has also replied back.

Anna is relaunching anti-corruption movement from 6 December 2013 in Delhi. All pseudo-secularist NAC dalals may mark the date very carefully.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:
friend,

There was no involvement of BVA group in the protest of rti amendments, actually you did not remain in loop of any protest nor there was any statement of Anna.




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
friends

Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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Re: [IAC#RG] [rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

Friend

Anna does not need to say anything. His not saying anything is enough for this government.

Anna has spoken on appointment of Information Commissioners. The Minister has explained things properly and Anna has also replied back.

Anna is relaunching anti-corruption movement from 6 December 2013 in Delhi. All pseudo-secularist NAC dalals may mark the date very carefully.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:
friend,

There was no involvement of BVA group in the protest of rti amendments, actually you did not remain in loop of any protest nor there was any statement of Anna.




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
friends

Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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Re: [rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

Friend

Anna does not need to say anything. His not saying anything is enough for this government.

Anna has spoken on appointment of Information Commissioners. The Minister has explained things properly and Anna has also replied back.

Anna is relaunching anti-corruption movement from 6 December 2013 in Delhi. All pseudo-secularist NAC dalals may mark the date very carefully.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:
friend,

There was no involvement of BVA group in the protest of rti amendments, actually you did not remain in loop of any protest nor there was any statement of Anna.




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
friends

Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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Re: [rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

friend,

There was no involvement of BVA group in the protest of rti amendments, actually you did not remain in loop of any protest nor there was any statement of Anna.




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com> wrote:
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Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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[IAC#RG] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

friends

Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

[HumJanenge] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

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Annaji has got a call today evening from Govt Minister Narayasamy to inform that RTI Bill will be sent to Standing Committee. Minister requested Annaji not to be agitated as all problems will be sorted out after elections

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[rti4empowerment] Govt will send RTI bill to the committee

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[HumJanenge]

Two days ago, I filed my first RTI application on line. It was addressed to the UIDAI, so I have sent it to the Planning Commission. For some strange reason, only SBI credit and debit cards are accepted. I paid the Rs. 10 fee by NEFT. I hope the system works.

VK Singh

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Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

FROM Commander T.N. Singhal

     I think P. Sureshan does not realise that Canteen facilities are provided to Armed Forces Personnel are mostly stationed at places THERE ARE NO 'MALLS' TO CATER FOR INDIVIDUAL DAILY NEEDS OF ARMED FORCE PERSONNEL AND THEIR FAMILIES.

     Come to think of it, People in Delhi are in a way getting SUBSIDISED petrol
cooking gas etc.  What is he complaining about? 


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:

  I think Sureshan P is not able to express himself. What does he want? Military people are NOT getting any subsidy. Only some tax concessions.   They get certain items of grocery and consumer items directly from the manufacturers and charge just 10% or so for handling charges and  other expenses. The surplus generated is given to the welfare fund of the Army. What is he cribbing about.Or has he mistakenly written " UNWARRANTED " instead of  Warranted. I am confused. . May we be told what  Sureshan is doing for his living !!    Seshadri

 

From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of SURESHAN P
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:15 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

 

the issue of subsidy to military people is unwarranted, They deserve it , freebies to politicians , medias , general public can be objected, Any body knows how much govt spend for media?.   All spending by the govt. for sports , awards also should be completely stopped. If BCCI under private management can bring glory to cricket samed things should apply to all sports items.. Privatize all sports events ,, people will bring glory to country... Instead of picking up the issue of subsidy to army people this kind of wastage of tax payers money is to be objected..   

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:19 PM, ss sohi <sadhusohi@gmail.com> wrote:

Waghela Jee,

we have earned some concessions after facing Wars bullets with patriotism. What is your contributions ???

Rgds.

Col Sohi. 9815107744.

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:

I am sure GOI will look into to stop such Largess as the concern has
been brought into public domain though the justified PIL is Dismissed.

On 8/21/13, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> should also work out on the various freebes that the parties are giving at
> the cost of the tax payers money and then the currency takes a nose dive
>
> KKP
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, M.N.Seshadri
> <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  May I appeal to your esteemed  organization to request Mr. AmitabThakur
>> to file a PIL requesting the Supreme court to examine in detail the
>> present
>> perks, salary , and also the highly subsidized canteen items in our
>> Parliament.   The entire world will back him up . This is happening in
>> every democracy where they pass bills that suits the MPS almost with 100%
>> voting in favour without a single member dissenting. . All differences
>> between parties disappear dramatically when it comes to looking after
>> themselves . What is  the need for giving pension to the MPs. They
>> volunteered to become MPs. No  body forced them to work  for life !!!
>> ***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:11 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] Misconceived PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to
>> Defence remains.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For our fauji members****
>>
>> Please find below order of Allahabad High Court dt. today dismissing a
>> Writ Petiton filed by Chairman / President of National RTI Forum Mr.
>> Amitabh Thakur IPS. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT ALLAHABAD, LUCKNOW BENCH
>>
>> ?Chief Justice's Court
>>
>> Case :- MISC. BENCH No. - 7295 of 2013
>>
>> Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur & Another [P.I.L.]
>> Respondent :- Union Of India Thr.Secy.Ministry Of Defence New Delhi &
>> Anr.
>> Counsel for Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur (Inperson),Dr.Nutan Thakur
>> (Inperson
>> Counsel for Respondent :- A.S.G.
>>
>> Hon'ble Shiva Kirti Singh,Chief Justice
>> Hon'ble Devendra Kumar Upadhyaya,J. ****
>>
>>
>> Heard learned counsel for the petitioners and learned counsel for Union
>> of
>> India.
>> This writ petition has been filed as a PIL to seek directions from this
>> Court to the respondents to get a detailed study conducted regarding
>> privileges given to some services, mainly defence service and
>> para-military
>> service of supply of liquour on subsidized rates. ****
>>
>> Learned counsel for Union of India has raised an objection that the
>> petitioners are not experts in the field and they have not done any study
>> of the matter to come forward with any alternative suggestions backed by
>> results of scientific study. According to learned counsel for Union of
>> India, this Court cannot and should not entertain such public interest
>> litigations which are aimed at initiating a study for a fishing and
>> roving
>> enquiry without coming forward with concrete materials to help the Court
>> in
>> achieving public interest by preventing harm to vulnerable sections of
>> the
>> society or by ensuring that their rights are honoured by the State. ****
>>
>> In the facts of the case, we find substance in the submission of learned
>> counsel for Union of India that the privileges, which are subject matter
>> of
>> this petition, are service privileges for some of the defence services or
>> para-military services and they should not be subject matter of PIL. The
>> writ petition is, therefore, dismissed. ****
>>
>> Order Date :- 20.8.2013
>> AHA ****
>>
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[HumJanenge] Consideration of RTI (Amendment) Bill 2013

From Indianewsco

The MoS Parliamentary Affairs P.S. Ghatowar announced in Lok Sabha today that RTI Amendment Bill 2013 will be taken up for consideration and passage in the week beginning Monday 26th 2013 along with 9 other important Bills like Nuclear Regulatory Authority Bill 2011 and Street Vendors Bill 2011.



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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of Anna Hazare

Dear Prasad

IAC has nothing to do with all this. IAC's name is needlessly being
dragged into this.

AFAIK I have never spoken to Anna, except 2 words in Marathi in 2006
when at CIC Convention
some papers slipped from his grasp and I helped him to pick them up.
So I can't help you on mobile number.

Yes, there is 100% Transparency in IAC - but we shall never be a
public authority - subject only to operational requirements and
exemptions contained in RTI Act.

Sarbajit

On 8/24/13, prasad vaidya <prasadbvaidya@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Respected sir
> you are alway saying that there is 100 percent
> transparency in your organistion will you please provide me shree annaji's
> mobile number I would like like to request Shri. Anaaji on important issues
> prasad vaidya latur mo-8857993253
>
> viadya
> ________________________________
> From: Anna BVA Office <joinbvga@gmail.com>
> To: kvijay14@gmail.com; rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>;
> humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013 11:20 AM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of
> Anna Hazare
>
>
> To:
> Shri Vijay Kumbhar
>
> Please refer your below email 16/8/2013 sent from online form at
> http://saverti.webege.com
> with subject "My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of Anna
> Hazare"
>
> Base on your below email, copy of which is automatically forward to us
> and preserved, the complaint was lodged in President Helpline with
> your email ID as told in emails sent to all RTI e-groups.
>
> BVA
> Bhrastachar Virodhi Andolan
>
> On 8/16/13, Vijay Kumbhar <kvijay14@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To:
>> 1) Dr. Man Mohan Singh,
>> Prime Minister of India, by
>> Principal Secretary to Prime Minister
>> "oo.prlsecypmo@nic.in"
>> Secretary to Prime Minister
>> "oo.ramanujam@gov.in"
>>
>> 2) Smt. Sushma Swaraj,
>> Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha
>> "sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com, sushma.swaraj@bjp.org"
>>
>> 3) Smt. Sonia Gandhi,
>> Chairperson NAC
>> "chairperson@nac.nic.in, dhiraj.s@nac.nic.in"
>>
>> cc:
>> 4) Mr. Ajit K. Seth,
>> Cabinet Secretary,
>> "cabinetsy@nic.in"
>>
>> 5) Mr. Shymal K. Sarkar,
>> Secretary Dept of Personnel & Training,
>> "secy_mop@nic.in"
>>
>> 6) Mr. Manoj Joshi,
>> Jt. Secretary Dept of Personnel & Training,
>> "jsata@nic.in"
>>
>>
>>
>> Sub: My Public Grievance on appointing Information Commissioners
>>
>> Please find enclosed a copy of my Public Grievance lodged today on the
>> President of India's online facility. I am an aggrieved Right To
>> Information ("RTI") user and subscriber to the popular movement known as
>> "India Against Corruption"
>>
>> Dr. Anna Hazare and India Against Corruption have issued a public Appeal
>> and
>> initially asked Indian citizens not to vote for either the Congress Party
>> or
>> the Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP) unless all the 5 vacant posts of
>> Information
>> Commissioner in the Central Information Commission are selected
>> exclusively
>> from eminent RTI activists and civil society experts who have applied for
>> the post.
>>
>> Their Appeal may be viewed online at Anna's RTI Appeal
>>
>> Dr. Hazare and India Against Corruption have come to know that the Prime
>> Minister (Cong.) and the Leader of Opposition (BJP) have mutually decided
>> that maximum number of retired bureaucrats from among their pre-selected
>> candidates shall be appointed as Information Commissioners. The
>> candidates
>> for the vital post of Chief Information Commissioner have also been
>> corruptly restricted to either Mr.P.K. Misra (former Secretary DoPT) or
>> to
>> the senior-most of the present Information Commissioners (who are also
>> all
>> former bureaucrats) in a thoroughly irregular and unprescribed manner.
>>
>> It would thus seem that the applications which were solicited and
>> inserted
>> in the newspapers and on the DoPT's website are a only device devised to
>> obscure predetermined selections by a process best described as "horse
>> trading". It is certainly strange that all the previous Chief
>> Information Commissioners without exception were formerly Secretaries to
>> the Govt. of India.
>>
>> Dr Anna Hazare and the India Against Corruption stress that sub-section
>> 12(5) of the Right to Information Act specifies that
>> "The Chief Information Commissioner and Information Commissioners
>> shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and
>> experience in law, science and technology, social service, management,
>> journalism, mass media or administration and governance."
>>
>>
>> This clause does not specify that only retired bureaucrats shall be
>> appointed to these posts. Neither is it envisaged, either in its letters
>> or
>> in its spirit, that this clause is to serve as the vehicle for retired
>> bureaucrats to retain their luxurious perks of office as sinecures for
>> services they rendered while in office.
>>
>> From the repeated improper practice of appointment of Chief Information
>> Commissioners exclusively from the bureaucracy, a popular perception has
>> now
>> taken strong hold that the Prime Minister and BJP have corruptly decided
>> that Mr. Pradeep Kumar Misra will be appointed as next Chief Information
>> Commissioner and they have taken their corrupt decision without issuing
>> any
>> notice or publicly seeking applications for the post.
>>
>> It seems therefrom the present Government and the Opposition BJP only
>> appoint pliable persons in such sensitive positions who know the tricks
>> by
>> which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to
>> escape from giving information about their parties. A pliable person who
>> will never impose the RTI Act's mandatory penalties on the bureaucracy
>> so that he will get to keep his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement.
>>
>> The citizens and affected RTI users are concerned that Mr. Pradeep Kumar
>> Misra is such an agreed pliable person and it has been fixed between the
>> Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh (of the Congress Party) and the Leader
>> of
>> the Opposition in Lok Sabha Smt. Sushma Swaraj (of the Bharatiya Janta
>> Party) that Mr.P.K.Misra and many other such pliable persons will be
>> selected to the Central Information Commission and the legitimate
>> claims/applications of honest and eminent RTI experts and persons from
>> Civil
>> Society shall be corruptly ignored by an unprescribed device of a
>> "Screening Committee" which is packed with similarly pliable
>> persons.
>>
>> Accordingly Dr. Anna Hazare and the India Against Corruption have issued
>> their present appeal, and as an affected user of RTI Act processes I am
>> sufficiently aggrieved by their call, seeing my rights to a fair
>> RTI appellate process being hitherto rendered a nullity by appointment of
>> pliable
>> ex-bureaucrats and former public servants, to protest the selection
>> procedures as
>> ultra-vires and to demand that the appointments be honest, fully
>> transparent
>> and conducted openly.
>>
>> PRAYER: Kindly see to it that in this round of appointments not even 1
>> (one)
>> ex-public servant is selected so as to redress the gross imbalance in
>> backgrounds and experience prevailing in the Central Information
>> Commission,
>> and that all its selections are conducted publicly and transparently.
>>
>> NB: Kindly preserve all correspondence and notings on my instant
>> Grievance
>> as I shall be RTI-ing for it, if required, once the selections are
>> concluded.
>>

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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of Anna Hazare

Respected sir
                  you are alway saying that there is 100 percent transparency in your organistion will you please provide me shree annaji's mobile number I would like like to request Shri. Anaaji on important issues
prasad vaidya latur mo-8857993253

 
viadya


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Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of Anna Hazare

To:
Shri Vijay Kumbhar

Please refer your below email 16/8/2013 sent from online form at
http://saverti.webege.com
with subject "My IAC grievance on selecting RTI Commissioners of Anna Hazare"

Base on your below email, copy of which is automatically forward to us
and preserved, the  complaint was lodged in President Helpline with
your email ID as told in emails sent to all RTI e-groups.

BVA
Bhrastachar Virodhi Andolan

On 8/16/13, Vijay Kumbhar <kvijay14@gmail.com> wrote:
> To:
> 1) Dr. Man Mohan Singh,
> Prime Minister of India, by
> Principal Secretary to Prime Minister
> "oo.prlsecypmo@nic.in"
> Secretary to Prime Minister
> "oo.ramanujam@gov.in"
>
> 2) Smt. Sushma Swaraj,
> Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha
> "sushmaswaraj@hotmail.com, sushma.swaraj@bjp.org"
>
> 3) Smt. Sonia Gandhi,
> Chairperson NAC
> "chairperson@nac.nic.in, dhiraj.s@nac.nic.in"
>
> cc:
> 4) Mr. Ajit K. Seth,
> Cabinet Secretary,
> "cabinetsy@nic.in"
>
> 5) Mr. Shymal K. Sarkar,
> Secretary Dept of Personnel &amp; Training,
> "secy_mop@nic.in"
>
> 6) Mr. Manoj Joshi,
> Jt. Secretary Dept of Personnel &amp; Training,
> "jsata@nic.in"
>
>
>
> Sub: My Public Grievance on appointing Information Commissioners
>
> Please find enclosed a copy of my Public Grievance lodged today on the
> President of India's online facility. I am an aggrieved Right To
> Information ("RTI") user and subscriber to the popular movement known as
> &quot;India Against Corruption&quot;
>
> Dr. Anna Hazare and India Against Corruption have issued a public Appeal and
> initially asked Indian citizens not to vote for either the Congress Party or
> the Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP) unless all the 5 vacant posts of Information
> Commissioner in the Central Information Commission are selected exclusively
> from eminent RTI activists and civil society experts who have applied for
> the post.
>
> Their Appeal may be viewed online at Anna's RTI Appeal
>
> Dr. Hazare and India Against Corruption have come to know that the Prime
> Minister (Cong.) and the Leader of Opposition (BJP) have mutually decided
> that maximum number of retired bureaucrats from among their pre-selected
> candidates shall be appointed as Information Commissioners. The candidates
> for the vital post of Chief Information Commissioner have also been
> corruptly restricted to either Mr.P.K. Misra (former Secretary DoPT) or to
> the senior-most of the present Information Commissioners (who are also all
> former bureaucrats) in a thoroughly irregular and unprescribed manner.
>
> It would thus seem that the applications which were solicited and inserted
> in the newspapers and on the DoPT's website are a only device devised to
> obscure predetermined selections by a process best described as &quot;horse
> trading&quot;. It is certainly strange that all the previous Chief
> Information Commissioners without exception were formerly  Secretaries to
> the Govt. of India.
>
> Dr Anna Hazare and the India Against Corruption stress that sub-section
> 12(5) of the Right to Information Act specifies that
>     &quot;The Chief Information Commissioner and Information Commissioners
> shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and
> experience in law, science and technology, social service, management,
> journalism, mass media or administration and governance.&quot;
>    
>
> This clause does not specify that only retired bureaucrats shall be
> appointed to these posts. Neither is it envisaged, either in its letters or
> in its spirit, that this clause is to serve as the vehicle for retired
> bureaucrats to retain their luxurious perks of office as sinecures for
> services they rendered while in office.
>
> From the repeated improper practice of appointment of Chief Information
> Commissioners exclusively from the bureaucracy, a popular perception has now
> taken strong hold that the Prime Minister and BJP have corruptly decided
> that Mr. Pradeep Kumar Misra will be appointed as next Chief Information
> Commissioner and they have taken their corrupt decision without issuing any
> notice or publicly seeking applications for the post.
>
> It seems therefrom the present Government and the Opposition BJP only
> appoint pliable persons in such sensitive positions who know the tricks by
> which one ex-government officer will help another government officer to
> escape from giving information about their parties. A pliable person who
> will never impose the RTI Act's mandatory penalties on the bureaucracy
> so that he will get to keep his posh bungalow in Delhi after retirement.
>
> The citizens and affected RTI users are concerned that Mr. Pradeep Kumar
> Misra is such an agreed pliable person and it has been fixed between the
> Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh (of the Congress Party) and the Leader of
> the Opposition in Lok Sabha Smt. Sushma Swaraj (of the Bharatiya Janta
> Party) that Mr.P.K.Misra and many other such pliable persons will be
> selected to the Central Information Commission and the legitimate
> claims/applications of honest and eminent RTI experts and persons from Civil
> Society shall be corruptly ignored by an unprescribed device of a
> &quot;Screening Committee&quot; which is packed with similarly pliable
> persons.
>
> Accordingly Dr. Anna Hazare and the India Against Corruption have issued
> their present appeal, and as an affected user of RTI Act processes I am
> sufficiently aggrieved by their call, seeing my rights to a fair
> RTI appellate process being hitherto rendered a nullity by appointment of
> pliable
> ex-bureaucrats and former public servants, to protest the selection
> procedures as
> ultra-vires and to demand that the appointments be honest, fully transparent
> and conducted openly.
>
> PRAYER: Kindly see to it that in this round of appointments not even 1 (one)
> ex-public servant is selected so as to redress the gross imbalance in
> backgrounds and experience prevailing in the Central Information Commission,
> and that all its selections are conducted publicly and transparently.
>
> NB: Kindly preserve all correspondence and notings on my instant Grievance
> as I shall be RTI-ing for it, if required, once the selections are
> concluded.
>

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Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

Veereshji,
Either U don't belong to a family which is even distantly connected with faujis OR u are misinformed about the ground  realities ie while Pension is remuneration for the service done in the past the subsidised Canteen facilities can only be availed in person, in India and can't be collected while staying abroad. Subsidised alcohol can be availed only when one lives in the India.


From: Veeresh Malik <veereshmalik@gmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.


Having worn a uniform and been born into a family where uniforms have been worn for generations, I would also like to ask how pensioners who are no longer Indian Nationals having migrated abroad still continue to get benefits like pension, tax-free canteen facility, and more, at the cost of the Indian tax-payer.

Humbly submitted.

Veeresh Malik




On Thursday, 22 August 2013, ss sohi wrote:
Waghela Jee,
we have earned some concessions after facing Wars bullets with patriotism. What is your contributions ???
Rgds.
Col Sohi. 9815107744.


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sure GOI will look into to stop such Largess as the concern has
been brought into public domain though the justified PIL is Dismissed.

On 8/21/13, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> should also work out on the various freebes that the parties are giving at
> the cost of the tax payers money and then the currency takes a nose dive
>
> KKP
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, M.N.Seshadri
> <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  May I appeal to your esteemed  organization to request Mr. AmitabThakur
>> to file a PIL requesting the Supreme court to examine in detail the
>> present
>> perks, salary , and also the highly subsidized canteen items in our
>> Parliament.   The entire world will back him up . This is happening in
>> every democracy where they pass bills that suits the MPS almost with 100%
>> voting in favour without a single member dissenting. . All differences
>> between parties disappear dramatically when it comes to looking after
>> themselves . What is  the need for giving pension to the MPs. They
>> volunteered to become MPs. No  body forced them to work  for life !!!
>> ***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:11 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] Misconceived PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to
>> Defence remains.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For our fauji members****
>>
>> Please find below order of Allahabad High Court dt. today dismissing a
>> Writ Petiton filed by Chairman / President of National RTI Forum Mr.
>> Amitabh Thakur IPS. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT ALLAHABAD, LUCKNOW BENCH
>>
>> ?Chief Justice's Court
>>
>> Case :- MISC. BENCH No. - 7295 of 2013
>>
>> Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur & Another [P.I.L.]
>> Respondent :- Union Of India Thr.Secy.Ministry Of Defence New Delhi &
>> Anr.
>> Counsel for Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur (Inperson),Dr.Nutan Thakur
>> (Inperson
>> Counsel for Respondent :- A.S.G.
>>
>> Hon'ble Shiva Kirti Singh,Chief Justice
>> Hon'ble Devendra Kumar Upadhyaya,J. ****
>>
>>
>> Heard learned counsel for the petitioners and learned counsel for Union
>> of
>> India.
>> This writ petition has been filed as a PIL to seek directions from this
>> Court to the respondents to get a detailed study conducted regarding
>> privileges given to some services, mainly defence service and
>> para-military
>> service of supply of liquour on subsidized rates. ****
>>
>> Learned counsel for Union of India has raised an objection that the
>> petitioners are not experts in the field and they have not done any study
>> of the matter to come forward with any alternative suggestions backed by
>> results of scientific study. According to learned counsel for Union of
>> India, this Court cannot and should not entertain such public interest
>> litigations which are aimed at initiating a study for a fishing and
>> roving
>> enquiry without coming forward with concrete materials to help the Court
>> in
>> achieving public interest by preventing harm to vulnerable sections of
>> the
>> society or by ensuring that their rights are honoured by the State. ****
>>
>> In the facts of the case, we find substance in the submission of learned
>> counsel for Union of India that the privileges, which are subject matter
>> of
>> this petition, are service privileges for some of the def


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[IAC#RG] PERFIDY of Prashant Bhushan and Arvind Kejriwal in Coalgate

24-August-2013

Dear IAC friends


Sub: PERFIDY of Prashant Bhushan and Arvind Kejriwal in Coalgate Scam

It is now common knowledge that the crucial files of PMO on Coalgate scam are allegedly missing.

These files directly indict Dr. Manmohan Singh and Jaiswal who got these coal blocks distributed in a thoroughly arbitrary and corrupt manner including to Jindals and other private / corporate players whom the Bhushan family (ie. Prashant Bhushan and his brother Jayant Bhushan singly or jointly) represent.

In fact so close are some of these corporate people to these Bhushans that when the previous IAC team desperately wanted "white money" to balance their books (then maintained by PCRF - Public Cause Research Foundation which Prashant is/was trustee) for the FY ending 31 March 2011 they got Sitaram Jindal (uncle of Navin Jindal whose company is a Coalgate beneficiary) to issue a cheque of Rs. 25 lakhs which they showed as dated 5.April.2011 and reflected it as "cheques in hand" to cover the deficit between the massive cash flowing through their hands supposedly reflected as expenses and the funds receivable.

When other IAC core members came to know about this fudge and it was vehemently questioned from August 2011 (when Congress was leveling fresh allegations against IAC's motives) as to how a surplus of at least Rs. 2 crores had been collected / existed on the books and yet there was no record of the actual funds and cash balances whjch IAC movement was generating and where it all was, PCRF's Prashant Bhushan, Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal came under intense internal pressure to get their books urgently audited or else the IAC movement's huge internal dissensions would spill into public domain.

As a stop gap measure Arvind therefore arranged for some half baked half-yearly audit by their in-house CAs (which was promptly disputed by everyone else). Despite having their own auditors Team Arvind (ie. Arvind, Manish, Prashant and Kiran Bedi etc.) could not get around that IAC movement had generated a Corpus of AT LEAST Rs. 1.48 Crores and an operational surplus of AT LEAST Rs. 94 lakhs in hand.

Where that money has gone to we all know - Dear Arvind

HRA / IAC does not begrudge you and Prashant that money. Take it as our charity to run your fake political party and enjoy yourselves. We are happy that at least some of it was used to pay for our sister Santosh Koli's treatment but it still didn't avail her. It is tainted SCAM money, and washing it through your dirty books will not make it clean even if Shanti Bhushan keeps gifting Rs.1 crore to your party.

What HRA / IAC does strongly object to is AAP co-founder Prashant Bhushan's PERFIDY in the Supreme Court.

Before the Court he acts coy on the missing files. In Court, to save the PM Manmohan Singh, he demands that Coalgate Scam should go back to BJP/UPA times and throughout acts as a sock puppet for the Congress and the Attorney General who are saying exactly the same thing to the Court and the media. Yet, before the media and TV studio cameras he acts as the messiah of the Indian public (who nowadays are not allowed into the court) valiantly battling the Govt.

HRA / IAC is therefore obliged to place the list of donations received in year 2011 along with PCRF's accounts back again in public domain

HRA / IAC is also appalled at ARVIND's perfidy in shutting down the website www.indiaagainstcorruption.org to ensure that such kinds of historical documents of the IAC movement are no longer open and accessible to the public.

So, here are the links to the so-called accounts of the previous IAC's moneys which Arvind and Prashant (founders of Aam Aadmi Party) had rendered which are archived again on IAC's new official website "http://.indiaagainstcorruption.net.in".

http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/pcrf-sept-2011-half-yearly-audit-report+208976
(file) : https://we.riseup.net/assets/152744/PCRF%20audit%20report.pdf

http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/iac-list-of-donors+208975
(file) : https://we.riseup.net/assets/152743/IAC%20Copy%20of%20List%20of%20donors.xls

http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/iac-account-for-website-xls+208974
(file) : https://we.riseup.net/assets/152742/IAC%20Account%20for%20website.xls

We shall keep replacing the old files in public domain, so that citizens are reminded as to who caused the breakup of the IAC and the anti-corruption momentum against corrupt Government,  and which parties were behind it.

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan

Friday, August 23, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Job of Soldiers the World Over.

It is really painful to read some of the contents of the mails.
To raise issue in respect to any of the branch of the defense force and as raised in the PIL, is disheartening.To say that only job seekers join defense force is degrading the force.
Lakhs of people in INDIA are unemployed & job seekers ,still a lot number of vacancies are available in all wings of the defense force.The atmosphere.the situations,the surrounding conditions in exclusion where the defense personnel's work is now well known to all.All this distracts entry in the army.The concession granted so far has not been able to attract suitable  job seekers.
             Effort should be made to make the defense more attractive.They are the persons who make us live happily & peacefully.
D.C.Verma


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Supratim Basu <xsupratim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Babubhai,

Without soldiers, your and my country would cease to exist. Along with, probably, your ability to write such comments.

The three primary functions of a liberal state:

1. Protect the nation state from external invaders - ie defence forces
2. Protect the nation state from internal marauders - ie police forces
3. Enforce the law and provide quick and fair justice - ie judiciary

Everything else is secondary to these functions, and need not even be taken up by a state - it is a different matter that our nation state fails abysmally at its primary functions and fritters away its energies and monies on useless tertiary activities - like building houses or running an airline.

Finally, I do not believe soldiery is just a job - it is also a calling.
If you speak with a few jawans or officers, you would understand the passion that they bring to their "job". I had written a detailed post on our volunteer system of armed forces staffing somewhere else - I will see if I can find it - it is all a question about incentives and your dreams/passions.

Cheers

Supratim


On 23 August 2013 07:11, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, Furher to Allahabad HC just dismissed PIL, with due respect
and regard to the soldiers, serving and retired, my opinion is as
under : (1) Soldiers - the world over - are job needy individuals like
all other citizens needing employment for the livelihood. Given an
alternative financially lucrative job, many soldiers may leave present
job. (2) No son of MPs / MLAs / Ministers / HC or SC Judges /
Bureaucrats / Corporates / Journalists / Actors / Rich Persons becomes
a soldier. (3) Job of soldier is glorified & projected by vested
interest as Patriotic to make it a noble profession. (4) Non-soldier
job to contribute to the Nation is considererd non-patriotic job. (5)
Political Bosses do not go and fight but use the soldiers as Bakra to
satisfy their own ego by creating Wars to divert attention of Nation
and to help Corporates making War Machines. (6) I would love to have
dispassionate and objective discussion in the subject matter with
malice towards none. (7) Personal accusations may kindly be avoided
since not in good taste and not desirable also. Regards,

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RE: [IAC#RG] Job of Soldiers the World Over.

Though you prophess 'malice towards none,there are much malice against soldiers in your letter.As a war veteran,I would like to point out to you that;

 

1. There are many in this country who will not send their children to the Defence Services even if they are jobless.Similiarly there are many who will not join the forces even if they are jobless or have to do menial jobs at home.Our defence services are voluntary.To say that it is only an avenue for employment for the jobless is an insult to the soldiers.

2. Regarding your second point,you are right as far as politicians are concerned,But there are sons of many bureaucrats and judges in the defence services.You can not generalize it.It is the environment that makes a man.For many communities like Rajputs soldiering is the first choice.It is the corrupt political environment that makes politicians from ending their sons to Army.They care for the money not honour. Perhaps that may be the reason for not seeing many people from your state in the army. 

3.I do not wish to reply to your 3rd point.It is below my dignity.When you stand infront of a Paki firing line,you will know what noble profession soldiering is.

4.  Please for heaven's sake do not bring this patriotic and non-patriotic issue.Nobody has said that non-soldiering is non-patriotic.It is an insult to the civilian patriots.

5. There is no bakra any where.It is the soldier's function to protect the Nation.In the name of democracy, politicians some times misuse it as it happened with Nehru.In any other country,he would have been brought to book and shot for causing the death of thousands of our valiant soldiers.But he hung on to his chair till providence took him away.

Soldiering is a noble profession.They protect the nation so that people like you can sit in your cozy homes and send such garbages.  



navnith

 

 


 
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:11:46 +0530
From: vaghelabd@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] Job of Soldiers the World Over.

Dear All, Furher to Allahabad HC just dismissed PIL, with due respect
and regard to the soldiers, serving and retired, my opinion is as
under : (1) Soldiers - the world over - are job needy individuals like
all other citizens needing employment for the livelihood. Given an
alternative financially lucrative job, many soldiers may leave present
job. (2) No son of MPs / MLAs / Ministers / HC or SC Judges /
Bureaucrats / Corporates / Journalists / Actors / Rich Persons becomes
a soldier. (3) Job of soldier is glorified & projected by vested
interest as Patriotic to make it a noble profession. (4) Non-soldier
job to contribute to the Nation is considererd non-patriotic job. (5)
Political Bosses do not go and fight but use the soldiers as Bakra to
satisfy their own ego by creating Wars to divert attention of Nation
and to help Corporates making War Machines. (6) I would love to have
dispassionate and objective discussion in the subject matter with
malice towards none. (7) Personal accusations may kindly be avoided
since not in good taste and not desirable also. Regards,

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Re: [IAC#RG] Job of Soldiers the World Over.

I read a few books written by Ol' soldiers. In those days it was so simple to meet MG. These soldiers who were veterans of WW II approached MG and sought advise from him to leave their prestigious highly paid jobs(as you put it) and join him in his struggle. Bapu smiled and told them"no do not leave your profession(he did not say job) for, Independent India will require you" Mind you very few ICS approached Bapu with a similar request.
An apostle of peace he must have either read or have been told of KAUTILAYA'S advise to his Emperor. The bottom line is being a very shrewd person he realized that this "necessry evil" will have to be sustained in Independent India. Like it or not.
There is definelty a negative feeling in a section of our society about the burden of such a hugh "armed forces". After all we are unproductive and contribute nothing to the GDP(as Montek will keep harping on). There is an angst for the perks which we are given.
These have continued since the British days. An Englishman is basically a trader by DNA and would not have forgone any revenue but for the circumstances under which he utilised the Indian soldier be it Iraq, Mesepotamia, Egypt, Europe, Burma, etc etc. It was a small price - the canteen perks to give to a poor sepoy.
After Independence as far as the sepoy was concerned nothing changed- if at all Nehru was fairly caustic  he would rather have a police force instead of the armed forces.We were involved in Goa, Hydrebad, Kashmir Valley,China, Nagaland Manipur, Anand Margis in WB, Telengana, riots, flood relief, natural disasters etc.
Further Clausewitz said war is an extention of foriegn policy.(do not forget that asymmetric war is continuously going on) If our MEA did its job properly we would have a very positive foreign policy balance sheet- of the 7 neighbors we have we do not have good relations with at 90% of them. Apparently the MEA is not answerable to any one even GOD. Their performance necessitates such a large standing Armed Forces. (a non performing asset as an economist would put it)
Bad administration has resulted in the need to deploy own soldiers against own people. The bad administrator is never questioned or sacked or his perks questioned. However the perk given to the Jawan invites the wrath of activists.
Even if a consumer does not purchase Chinese goods he proves to be loyal to India. That is my definition of loyalty. I as a soldier have never felt that one out of uniform is not loyal to his country if he in his own way puts Bharat Mata above him in any way.
For those who feel agrieved that this perk is extended to this person, please tell them to take a macro view which will dilute the grudge they have of "loss of revenue".


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM, B S Bakshi <billbakshi@gmail.com> wrote:
We suggest that you do not waste your & our time passing on your opinion about what concerns armed forces & para military forces.You better concentrate on what concerns the country at the national level.How about you concentrate on various scams during the UPA regime? Just to refresh your memory ie G-2,Coal Gate,Adarsh,Common Wealth & of course Rail Gate.Billions &  billions of  Rupees and dollers is being pocketed by corrupt governments/parties & kept in Swiss accounts.Please do not forward your opinion to us in future.You have other options available to yourself.Bill

On 23 August 2013 07:11, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, Furher to Allahabad HC just dismissed PIL, with due respect
and regard to the soldiers, serving and retired, my opinion is as
under : (1) Soldiers - the world over - are job needy individuals like
all other citizens needing employment for the livelihood. Given an
alternative financially lucrative job, many soldiers may leave present
job. (2) No son of MPs / MLAs / Ministers / HC or SC Judges /
Bureaucrats / Corporates / Journalists / Actors / Rich Persons becomes
a soldier. (3) Job of soldier is glorified & projected by vested
interest as Patriotic to make it a noble profession. (4) Non-soldier
job to contribute to the Nation is considererd non-patriotic job. (5)
Political Bosses do not go and fight but use the soldiers as Bakra to
satisfy their own ego by creating Wars to divert attention of Nation
and to help Corporates making War Machines. (6) I would love to have
dispassionate and objective discussion in the subject matter with
malice towards none. (7) Personal accusations may kindly be avoided
since not in good taste and not desirable also. Regards,

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Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI Juniors appointed as PIO's

Good Morning Friends,
Please go through sec. 5(1) of The RTI Act, which clearly says that officers are to be appointed as PIO or APIO
 
but The Co-operative department  Commissioner for Cooperation , Registrar of Cooperative Societies , Mumbai has appointed their clerks as PIO.
 
Is it not a mockery of the act by this Public Authority
 
 
Bimal Khemani
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INDIA
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From: LESLIE ALMEIDA <lesals2000@yahoo.com>
To: hwward <hw_ward_citizens_forum@yahoogroups.co.in>
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013 6:33 AM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] RTI Juniors appointed as PIO's

It is noted that  new trend is  followed at Govt Departments, whereby they appoint Juniors as PIO's
BMC the FAA was Assist Muncipal Commissioner now its executive engineer, Building Proposal Department PIO was executive engineer & Dy.Chief engineer FAA this changed
Assist Eng is PIO and executive engineer FAA,Not too Bad
not the height At Deputy Registrars office HW ward Dadar west
Deputy Registrar was PIO and Dist Dy Registrar was FAA  now they have made some Clerk the PIO
who does not understand anything and Dy.Registrar is FAA, PIO is controllled by Deputy Registrar FAA
( he is only made a scape Goat ) PIO Kamble says what can i do the Deputy Registrar is My Boss I am  PIO against my wishes
Now in a Circular issued By Vikas Rasal Joint Registrar inpliminting  Commissioners of Pune Order
that Deputy Registrar is PIO and Dist Dy.Registrar is FAA
on bring it to the Notice of the Deputy Registrar of HW ward Shri S.M.Patil at Dadar,west
he told me not to teach him his Job and told me  go out of his cabin and meet Kamble for RTI
however Kamble as PIO  is not allowed to stamp and sign for documents issued under the RTI act, it is done By FAA Deputy Registrar
Shri S,M,Patil Deputy Registrar HW ward Bhandari Bank Bldg 2nd floor P.L.Guruji Road Dadar west Mumbai 400028
This should be brought to the Notice of SIC Ratnaikar Gaikwad, if anyone knows him kindly appraise him

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Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

   Before I comment, I wish to inform that I am not an NRI but have extensively travelled to US, Canada, UK & Russia & have gained a fairly good knowledge of the matters military as applicable to them. These countries rightly understand the importance/contribution of their armed forces & swear by them. That is why they are the leading Nations. On 27 May, it was a matter of great pleasure to witness the Memorial Day Parade in one of the towns (Hoboken in New Jersey) with huge number of civil population thoroughly involved in the commemoration of the soldiers who sacrificed their lives for the Nation. This country truly deserves to be on top of the world because it realises that a nation is doomed if it does not accord a place of pride to its soldiers. In contrast, ours is an ungrateful nation.
  Coming further, Mr Vaghela & Mr Veeresh Malik seem to have felt uneasy/irritated on the grant of privileges/ concessions (which are peanuts) extended to military personnel. While Mr Vaghela can be excused due to his ignorance of the working conditions of the armed forces, Mr Malik does not deserve to be treated softly mainly because he says that he & his earlier generations had donned the uniform. It is clear that his earlier generations enjoyed the uniform, otherwise, he wouldnt have opted for the ame. It is also possible that his tenure was too short or the uniform he donned was not that of armed forces. Wonder why these two gentlemen close their eyes to the denial of fundamental rights to the soldier, his earlier retirement from the service, large number of widows of jawans without proper rehab, unduly harsh working conditions, bringing down pension from about 75 % (prior to 1970s due to early retirement) to 50% and in contrast increasing civilian pension from 33% to 50% and finally the downgradation in status & emasculation of the defence forces. They should file PILs to restore the honour & respect which the armed forces have badly suffered.
Mr Vasant Sardesai's suggestion of compulsory military service is quite apt. People should realise that those who join the forces, fully know that they may die young/premature; inspite of this they still do. Doesnt it prove that they have something in them which others lack. Let us not treat their lives so cheap; they definitely sacrifice their today for others' tomorrow.
   Lastly, let me educate Mr Veeresh Malik; GOI letter # No PC5169/ATP/PC/909/A/04/D(Pen/Sers), Government of India; Ministry of Defence, New Delhi 110011, Dated 06-10-2004, authorises  the grant of pension to ex servicemen pensioners on change of nationality & they pay taxes on that. Incidently, this privilege was already available to civil pensioners, which formed the basis of extending the same to military personnel. Hence it shows no undue favour. NRIs/foreign citizens have no pleasure in giving up Indian citizenship; the irony is that the Indian Govt so compels them to do so. US, UK & Canada do not object to dual citizenship from other countries.  US, in fact, welcomes the talent from all over the world and thats why the talent outshines there because of encouragement/healthy work environment. No US citizen would thus like to relinquish the citizenship of that country. NRIs/foreign citizens love to declare their status (while in India) because otherwise they will be compelled to report to nearest police stn every 6 months about their whereabouts. By not granting dual citizenship, India, in fact, is the loser. Looks like Mr Veeresh Malik either doesnt know all this or he is a traitor/planted agent of MOD, which is fighting non-stop battle to destroy the armed forces. He is welcome to debate the issue with me, if he so desires or otherwise keep his mouth shut.
   Lastly, I would appeal to others, too, not to waste their energies on these petty issues. There are much bigger battles to be fought like scam after scam, deep rooted corruption, downturn of economy, abrupt fall of rupee, gangrapes of our sisters/daughters, moral degradation of politicians, non-accountability of bureaucracy, failure of the Govt on all fronts, etc etc (list is not exhaustive).
   Air Commodore (Retd) T  Pannu
   Presently in New York


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, samuel devadas <samkalp2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
send Vaghela Bhai to a no war zone where temperatures are -52 degree C like Dras and Siachen ( where our troops are braving it and every appendage freezes to non recognizable sizes) just for sightseeing leave alone war & bullets and let us see his contribution and support to such PIL.
Col Sam


From: ss sohi <sadhusohi@gmail.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to Defence remains.

Waghela Jee,
we have earned some concessions after facing Wars bullets with patriotism. What is your contributions ???
Rgds.
Col Sohi. 9815107744.


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sure GOI will look into to stop such Largess as the concern has
been brought into public domain though the justified PIL is Dismissed.

On 8/21/13, krishna kumar pande <pandekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> should also work out on the various freebes that the parties are giving at
> the cost of the tax payers money and then the currency takes a nose dive
>
> KKP
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, M.N.Seshadri
> <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  May I appeal to your esteemed  organization to request Mr. AmitabThakur
>> to file a PIL requesting the Supreme court to examine in detail the
>> present
>> perks, salary , and also the highly subsidized canteen items in our
>> Parliament.   The entire world will back him up . This is happening in
>> every democracy where they pass bills that suits the MPS almost with 100%
>> voting in favour without a single member dissenting. . All differences
>> between parties disappear dramatically when it comes to looking after
>> themselves . What is  the need for giving pension to the MPs. They
>> volunteered to become MPs. No  body forced them to work  for life !!!
>> ***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:
>> indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:11 PM
>> *To:* indiaresists
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] Misconceived PIL dismissed. subsidised alcohol to
>> Defence remains.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> For our fauji members****
>>
>> Please find below order of Allahabad High Court dt. today dismissing a
>> Writ Petiton filed by Chairman / President of National RTI Forum Mr.
>> Amitabh Thakur IPS. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> HIGH COURT OF JUDICATURE AT ALLAHABAD, LUCKNOW BENCH
>>
>> ?Chief Justice's Court
>>
>> Case :- MISC. BENCH No. - 7295 of 2013
>>
>> Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur & Another [P.I.L.]
>> Respondent :- Union Of India Thr.Secy.Ministry Of Defence New Delhi &
>> Anr.
>> Counsel for Petitioner :- Amitabh Thakur (Inperson),Dr.Nutan Thakur
>> (Inperson
>> Counsel for Respondent :- A.S.G.
>>
>> Hon'ble Shiva Kirti Singh,Chief Justice
>> Hon'ble Devendra Kumar Upadhyaya,J. ****
>>
>>
>> Heard learned counsel for the petitioners and learned counsel for Union
>> of
>> India.
>> This writ petition has been filed as a PIL to seek directions from this
>> Court to the respondents to get a detailed study conducted regarding
>> privileges given to some services, mainly defence service and
>> para-military
>> service of supply of liquour on subsidized rates. ****
>>
>> Learned counsel for Union of India has raised an objection that the
>> petitioners are not experts in the field and they have not done any study
>> of the matter to come forward with any alternative suggestions backed by
>> results of scientific study. According to learned counsel for Union of
>> India, this Court cannot and should not entertain such public interest
>> litigations which are aimed at initiating a study for a fishing and
>> roving
>> enquiry without coming forward with concrete materials to help the Court
>> in
>> achieving public interest by preventing harm to vulnerable sections of
>> the
>> society or by ensuring that their rights are honoured by the State. ****
>>
>> In the facts of the case, we find substance in the submission of learned
>> counsel for Union of India that the privileges, which are subject matter
>> of
>> this petition, are service privileges for some of the defence services or
>> para-military services and they should not be subject matter of PIL. The
>> writ petition is, therefore, dismissed. ****
>>
>> Order Date :- 20.8.2013
>> AHA ****
>>
>> _****
>>
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