Dear Sirs/Madames
" Jan Lok Pal Bill" is one step leap towards curbing corruption and
along with it
"ELectoral Reform" is one of the most important which need to be
addressed on topmost priority to curb the Corruption.
ama
On 4/16/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir
>
> I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as
> the "Alagiri formula"
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html
>
> Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in
> inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <
> justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you
>> suggest a way?
>>
>>
>>
>> With best Wishes,
>>
>> KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com]
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dr.V.N. Sharma
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
>> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
>>
>> *Subject:* [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
>>
>>
>>
>> Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was
>> led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had
>> 4
>> major mass movements -
>>
>> Þ Naxal upsurge in 1967
>>
>> Þ Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
>>
>> Þ Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by
>> JP to take an all India character in 1975-77 and
>>
>> Þ Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
>>
>>
>>
>> Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause
>> cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil
>> the
>> requirement of replacing the steward (*satta me parivarttan*)- no
>> matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The
>> non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System
>> (*Vyawastha
>> me parivarttan*). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's
>> was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption,
>> Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism,
>> favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling
>> elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy
>> were
>> very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came
>> back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above
>> 3
>> movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were
>> born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they
>> served
>> this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could
>> change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of
>> corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone
>> steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes
>> in
>> the 'Base' for changing the System.
>>
>>
>>
>> A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced
>> in
>> 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be
>> passed
>> in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well
>> intentioned
>> ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group
>> seating
>> on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the
>> Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can
>> be
>> expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating
>> corruption in over 40 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of
>> the
>> end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting
>> Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and
>> operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It
>> was
>> interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting
>> Anna
>> and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of
>> Karnataka
>> Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different
>> towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an
>> exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling
>> elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media
>> has
>> not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is
>> also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority
>> overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo,
>> Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other. Incidently,
>> finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or
>> downtrodden in the drafting committee.
>>
>>
>>
>> In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses
>> can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr.V.N.Sharma
>> Cell No.9431102680,
>>
>> Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
>> Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)
>>
>> &
>>
>> Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Saturday, April 16, 2011
Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
" Jan Lok Pal Bill" is one step leap towards curbing corruption and
along with it
"ELectoral Reform" is one of the most important which need to be
addressed on topmost priority to curb the Corruption.
ama
On 4/16/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir
>
> I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as
> the "Alagiri formula"
> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html
>
> Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in
> inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <
> justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you
>> suggest a way?
>>
>>
>>
>> With best Wishes,
>>
>> KN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Desk of :
>>
>> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>>
>> Retd.
>>
>> : **
>>
>> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>>
>> Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>>
>> Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>>
>> Address
>>
>> :
>>
>> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
>>
>> Phone(s)
>>
>> :
>>
>> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com]
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dr.V.N. Sharma
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
>> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
>>
>> *Subject:* [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
>>
>>
>>
>> Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was
>> led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had
>> 4
>> major mass movements -
>>
>> Þ Naxal upsurge in 1967
>>
>> Þ Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
>>
>> Þ Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by
>> JP to take an all India character in 1975-77 and
>>
>> Þ Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
>>
>>
>>
>> Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause
>> cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil
>> the
>> requirement of replacing the steward (*satta me parivarttan*)- no
>> matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The
>> non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System
>> (*Vyawastha
>> me parivarttan*). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's
>> was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption,
>> Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism,
>> favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling
>> elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy
>> were
>> very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came
>> back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above
>> 3
>> movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were
>> born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they
>> served
>> this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could
>> change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of
>> corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone
>> steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes
>> in
>> the 'Base' for changing the System.
>>
>>
>>
>> A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced
>> in
>> 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be
>> passed
>> in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well
>> intentioned
>> ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group
>> seating
>> on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the
>> Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can
>> be
>> expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating
>> corruption in over 40 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of
>> the
>> end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting
>> Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and
>> operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It
>> was
>> interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting
>> Anna
>> and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of
>> Karnataka
>> Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different
>> towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an
>> exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling
>> elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media
>> has
>> not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is
>> also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority
>> overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo,
>> Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other. Incidently,
>> finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or
>> downtrodden in the drafting committee.
>>
>>
>>
>> In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses
>> can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr.V.N.Sharma
>> Cell No.9431102680,
>>
>> Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
>> Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)
>>
>> &
>>
>> Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Reply: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2011, 20:09
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
In the democracy, u have every right to agree or disagree, dear Sarab, so do I. It is not desirable to answer your last query as I do not want to be personal. If u disagree with me, that is ok, On the issue, I disagree with u and it is also ok. V R two different identities so our views may also be different and I regard your views but m not in agreement with u. regards, m k gupta
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What is this PMO in the Subject and MMS in the Text Columns and why is Subramiam swamy very Fond of these PMO or MMS , when he Usually approaches courts with all the data & Documents . Is this a joke on us members of this group . Next what is the source that it is 205 pages and how does any RTI Activist lay his/her hands on it other than through RTI the very next day . I read that the Group Moderators have limited this Group for RTI discussions and not Discussions on S.Swamy or S Gandhi N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Sat, 16/4/11, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
In the democracy, u have every right to agree or disagree, dear Sarab, so do I. It is not desirable to answer your last query as I do not want to be personal. If u disagree with me, that is ok, On the issue, I disagree with u and it is also ok. V R two different identities so our views may also be different and I regard your views but m not in agreement with u. regards, m k gupta --- On Sat, 16/4/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
Hello Guptaji, Thanks for the detailed mail and explanation. To cut a long story short, as far as Section 4 is concerned, NSD, AIR, New Delhi has failed miserably in their efforts. Simply by putting up the heading of the manuals U/s 4(1)(b) does not amount to disclosure. Check this for instance :- (vi) A Statement of the categories of documents that are held by it or under its control. The disclosure of this manual is simply "NIL". Check link http://www.newsonair.com/RTI-Annexure-VI-new.asp --- On Sat, 4/16/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: place. Suo motu disclosures were put up on the newsonair.com website on the order of the CIC on my application. If you see the website, u will find that on the suo motu disclosure, it has also been mentioned that this is being done on the orders of the CIC issued in the case filed by me. |
Re: [rti4empowerment] BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
Your doubts / apprehensions can be very easily answered / settled.
You know that I am publicly against the people behind this so-called fight against corruption. You also know that I have put as many reasons and facts as I can in my public statements and I can put 10 times more if I so choose.
As such I would very much like to know TRUTHFULLY if you consider me to be dishonest or a fool or neither of these..
Sarbajit
BEWARE OF DIVISIVE TACTICS TO STONEWALL CAMPAIGN AGAINST CORRUPTION
M K Gupta, volunteer against corruption
Now, a vilification campaign is on against Anna Hazare and his team and it is not difficult to presume the persons behind this. I remember the days when V P Singh was fighting on Bofors and to prick his tirade, Saint Kitts case against his son Ajay Singh came to the light which was later proved fabricated. Such doubtful case is now against Shantii Bhushan. Where was this CD so far which has now surfaced and why no body is willing to take responsibility for this?
Let us also understand the Gujarat and Narendra Modi are separate as India and Indira Gandhi who was equated as India during emergency saying India is Indira and Indira is India. Anna has praised the development of Gujarat and Bihar. The Planning Commission or some other government agencies (Planning Commission?) and the public are also for all praises about the development of these states. No doubt, this has been achieved under the leadershipship of Modi and Nitish Kumar but this does not mean that Anna has become the part of their party. Now, when every word of Anna is being recorded by the electronic media, no channel has come out with byte wherein he has praised Modi. For such development, both the Chief Ministers deserve Kudos and not criticism and the voters have done this by voting them back to their positions.
Let us guard ourselves from the divisive tactics at the behest of corrupt politicians, and persons with money stashed in foreign banks. This shows that fight against corruption is not going to be an easy one.
__._,_.___.
__,_._,___
Re: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
I can suggest a foolproof way to reach the masses - it is better known as the "Alagiri formula"
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/litmus-test-for-dmk-in-alagiris-lab/1/135060.html
Unfortunately you are somewhat behind the times, after factoring in inflation it is a 200 HUNDRED DOLLAR QUESTION
Sarbajit
How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you suggest a way?
With best Wishes,
KN
From the Desk of :
Justice Kamleshwar Nath
Retd.
:
Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
Address
:
`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
Phone(s)
:
+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr.V.N. Sharma
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had 4 major mass movements -
Þ Naxal upsurge in 1967
Þ Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
Þ Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by JP to take an all India character in 1975-77 and
Þ Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil the requirement of replacing the steward (satta me parivarttan)- no matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System (Vyawastha me parivarttan). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption, Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism, favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy were very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came back to power in all the States and the Union after each one of the above 3 movements. It does not need a detailed study by an expert to know who were born out of those mass movements and what became of them and how they served this country. No vow at the feet of Gandhi at Rajghat and elsewhere could change any of them. They remained shamelessly on the same track of corruption, money making and nepotism. Agree or not, Naxals/ Maoists alone steadily continued all along with a single long term objective of changes in the 'Base' for changing the System.
A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced in 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be passed in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well intentioned ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group seating on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can be expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating corruption in over 40 years.
One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of the end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It was interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting Anna and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of Karnataka Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media has not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo, Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna's five on the other. Incidently, finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or downtrodden in the drafting committee.
In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
--Dr.V.N.Sharma
Cell No.9431102680,Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
Member, Secretariat, All India Forum for Right to Education (AIF-RTE)&
Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
RE: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
How to reach the Masses, is the hundred-dollar question. Could you suggest a way?
With best Wishes,
KN
From the Desk of :
Justice Kamleshwar Nath
Retd. | : | Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Judge – High Court ( |
Address | : | `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, |
Phone(s) | : | +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. |
From:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [HumJanenge] Politics of Corruption
Starting with the Struggle for India's Independence (upto 1947) which was led by Mahatma Gandhi and before the recent rise of Anna Hazare India had 4 major mass movements -
Þ Naxal upsurge in 1967
Þ Change in State (mostly Congress) Governments in 1966-67,
Þ Bihar Students Movement in 1975 taken over 20 days later by JP to take an all
Þ Bofors scandal in 1988-89 led by VP Singh
Except the Naxals rise in 1967 every other movement was meant to cause cosmetic changes in the superstructure. They were all expected to fulfil the requirement of replacing the steward (satta me parivarttan)- no matter whether the alternative new incumbent was better or worse. The non-Naxal movements were not designed with an eye to change the System (Vyawastha me parivarttan). So the end result in all the four starting from Gandhi's was same- the movements diffused in a few months, increase in Corruption, Inefficiency, damage to Democratic processes and values, nepotism, favoritism and separation of the population in two parallel strips ruling elites and ruled commoner without an overlapping interface.
Such changes with so much fanfare in the name of victory for democracy were very much short lived. Remember how within 2-3 years Congress Party came back to power in all the States and the
A very interesting coincidence that the Lokpal Bill was first introduced in 1968 immediately after the movements in 1966-67. But it could not be passed in successive Parliaments in last 43 years. So much for the well intentioned ruling elites. This long period saw every political party and group seating on the treasury benches in Parliament. It becomes clear that all the Parliamentary parties lacked interest in a clean governance. Not much can be expected from such political outfits who could not think of eradicating corruption in over 40 years.
One does not have to go too far to predict the end result and timing of the end of this phenomenon. Just look at the constitution of people supporting Anna Hazare on the TV screens and seating with him in Jantar Mantar and operating from both inside, in behind the scene parleys, and outside. It was interesting to see how the fountain heads of corruption were supporting Anna and making themselves visible on the TV screens. Even Yedurappa of Karnataka Corruption fame openly supported Anna's 'Against Corruption' movement.
Even though many naïve and gullible took part in the streets of different towns and cities in support of Anna at the end of it all it remains an exercise within the 5% of the top bracketed population known as ruling elites. It is not for the masses. Why the same people and the same Media has not stood up for Irom Sharmila who is on Fast for over 10 years now. It is also significant to note that the days of extra constitutional authority overpowering the constitutional authorities are in. The Mother –son duo, Sonia – Rahul on the one side and Anna’s five on the other. Incidently, finally it is an all men affair and no representative of dalit or downtrodden in the drafting committee.
In conclusion , therefore, only a people's movement involving the masses can bring the cure to the ills of this country. Nothing less.
--
Dr.V.N.Sharma
Cell No.9431102680,
Co-ordinator, Jharkhand Shanti evam Nyaya Yatra (JSNY): May 15-20,2011
Member, Secretariat, All
&
Working Committee Member, Jan Sansad
Re: [HumJanenge] Re: DISCLOSING LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED BY CIC
This is not a solitary case against the CPIO, NSD, The some other cases heard against the same This is the story of the victimization of
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