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Re: [rti4empowerment] Explain this to me

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Subject: [rti4empowerment] Explain this to me

बिना EVM सेटिंग ये कैसे सम्भव हो सकता है

BJP/Congress

भोला सिंह 211820/140295

मेनका गांधी 211820/140295

उपेद्र नर्सिंग 211820/140295

हरीश द्विवेदी 211820/140295

सत्यपाल सिंह 211820/140295

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Subject: [rti4empowerment] Explain this to me

बिना EVM सेटिंग ये कैसे सम्भव हो सकता है

BJP/Congress

भोला सिंह 211820/140295

मेनका गांधी 211820/140295

उपेद्र नर्सिंग 211820/140295

हरीश द्विवेदी 211820/140295

सत्यपाल सिंह 211820/140295

संग मित्र मौर्य 211820/140295

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Re: [IAC#RG] Are we Hindus fools to vote for Modi ?

Dear Joya,

I appreciate your highlighting the facts, and also your arguments; many of your mentioned facts may not be very well-known to many because they are not presented to the public quite liberally.

I also find there are many good thinkers, analysts and wise people in this group/discussion forum. All the wisdom of such nice people should be somehow used for the uplift of deprived masses that seems not quite possible currently. I hope someday it may be possible somehow!

Regards,

Jasveer Singh

On Sat, 25 May 2019, 16:05 Prodipto Roy, <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Here's what I think, or know about the situation. I am not a Muslim but I appreciate some aspects of their society in India, as well as those of all other religious groups in India.

Population growth amongst Muslims:

Muslims may have the right from Al-Quran to marry more than one wife. It was a historical necessity following the fierce wars of the 7-10th centuries in what we call the near-East. But I myself have several Hindu friends and acquaintances (senior IPS/IAS officers, and ex-rajas) who have one or two wives, some from respectable families of the same caste, the women having been abandoned by their own husbands for other women, others from lower castes. So, I can establish the fact that Hindus also have several wives, both in rural and urban areas. Among Kulin Brahmins of Bengal where only hypergamy is allowed, males till recently had so many wives that they couldn't remember their names and locations. The wives therefore could not establish their rights, except to die with Brahminical funeral rites. There is no count or recognition of the legal or illegitimate children they spawned. (However, presently, most Muslims I know, in academia, have only one wife!)

The difference between the two communities is that in Islamic polygamy, all the wives have rights to maintenance for themselves and their children and a share in the husband's property if he predeceases them. Among my Hindu friends, the 'other' wives may be called 'Rakhael', 'kept', even 'Randi' by society and the first wife. I don't think they have a legal right to maintenance for themselves and the children they may produce. Look at the trouble N. D. Tewari's son had to claim his paternal origin and rights, which he denied and which were ultimately settled by DNA tests.

Secondly, the main reason that Muslims have a higher population growth rate is not because they have significantly more children but because they do not practice female foetal abortion, killing of newborn girl children or starvation and denial of medical aid to female infants. I personally know Haryanvi Hindus who have had to rescue and rear their nieces from parents who wanted them to die of neglect, disease or starvation. Just look at the under-5 male-female child ratio in districts like Jhajjar, next door to Delhi, in Census 2011. Also in prosperous, urban Gujarat. Muslim populations, both rural and urban, are also poorer, so they have less access to FW and modern birth control facilities. Please do examine these statistics if you want to debate with me.

Muslims of both sexes can perform talaq. Husbands do not have to indulge either in bride burning, wife killing, or abandonment of female children, and all girls go to school, at least till they become literate. So, in the Muslim society that I'm familiar with, girls and women receive the same care, academic encouragement and rights as their male cohorts.

Among Paharis in Uttarakhand and Himachal, Hindu women of all castes can and do practice polyandry. Like Draupadi did. Do you object to that too?

UCC:

Hindus in India have the most exclusive Civil Code, which only applies to themselves! Its primary focus is the maintenance of the HUF. For example, on inheritance matters, till recently daughters, married or otherwise, seldom had paternal property rights granted to them after a parent's death. Only male heirs had these. Widows had rights only to maintenance. After decades of work by economist Bina Agarwal and others, widows and daughters were granted their legitimate property rights from the Supreme Court of India, including rights to agricultural lands.

Article 370:

This Article was the basis on which Maharaja Hari Singh acceded to the Union of India. Its abrogation cannot be done by any authority or body other than the Constituent Assembly of J&K state. However, the Constituent Assembly was dissolved in 1951 after the forced accession to India. Please remember, those who wanted Azaadi then and those who framed J&K's separate Constitution were mostly Kashmiri pandits, Dogras and other Hindus. All Kashmiris, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and tribal, felt they had a different ethnic and cultural identity from the Hindu dominated, caste stratified regions of the rest of India.

There are therefore grave implications of the unilateral abrogation of Article 370 by the Republic of India. The case that would be put forward against it would then go on indefinitely for decades and reach international courts and the UN again particularly since it would be cruelly enforced by an army under AFSPA and untrained paramilitaries like BSF, CRPF, ITBD AND CISF. IN FACT, other nations including our 'Enemy No. 1' China, and world power alliances under a UN mandate could actually take over the area to conduct that referendum that every Kashmiri on both sides of the LOC knows was promised to his/her people.

Would that solve any problems for India, Kashmir, or the region??

Kindly put aside your Hindu-centric male chauvinist worldview for a while, study the issues and historical origin of all points of view carefully and rethink your absolutist, and, in my perception, 'RSS influenced' solutions to these problems. Solutions have to be acceptable to all parties in a political dispute in this day and age, particularly one that has led to armed conflict. And do remember, the nuclear option touted by the unlettered saffron brigade would destroy your own North India completely.

Joya Roy

On Tue, 21 May 2019, 13:06 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms. Joya Roy,
What you would like to advice on the following issues to be faced after few decades in India and then may be Me and You would not be on scene?
1. Population outworst mainly by a single religion for which the knowledge starts and ends on their fanatic religious book?
2. Common Civil Code?
3. Article 370?
4. Why, the intellectuals like you never spoke on such agenda's in past 6 decades?

regards
GS

On Monday, 20 May, 2019, 1:38:47 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Maine pramana nahi di, kya? North Indians speak an Indo-European language. They like to think they descend from 'Aryans' whereas their genes could come from central Asia, Turkey, Iran, central, Balkan or Mediterranean Europe, or even from the Arabian peninsula. Yet they look down on South Indians on the basis of colour, imagined race and language. It's atrocious to expect anyone to adopt a language that is from a completely different family group, besides being bereft of centuries old literary tradition like Hindi, to belong to a country which is a federation of ancient and new cultures. You must be too young to know that in the mid-60s Tamils rioted against imposition of a language that was foreign to them and devoid of their own history, saying they would secede if Hindi became an official language.

I'm pointing to the incapability of North Indians of understanding the cultural diversity of India. This insensitivity, arrogance and distorted view of country, it's creeds, geography, history and politics, handicaps them in understanding their North-eastern, Eastern, tribal, Southern, and western co-ciitizens as well as from learning new things. So wake-up, my Hindi speaking countrymen and women and try to learn a little more about the ancient history and genetics of the Indian population.

Modi and his cohorts represent the business class of a certain section of North-western Indians. Their status has been raised by the Hindutwa brigade, run by upper castes and their Banar sends, who wish to impose Brahminical values on the polity, Many of us do not respect the values they hold, their policies, projects and capacity to rabble rouse in the name of religion - to use anything to gain political, personal, and business ends, ignoring the egalitarian, equalising currents that led to vibrant modern democracies. Sorry about that.

Joya Roy

On Mon, 20 May 2019, 12:18 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms Joya Roy,
I completely disagree with you. You may be wise in collection of data's and express the same from the historians who never put the right history of Indian peoples that all due to the administration of Congress like parties and netaj's like Jinna and other's your inner heart will include them. I never praised north - the picture of Bharat region wise. We north Indian's think that peoples in south have discouraged the public to pronounce Vande Mataram, Hindi Learning and on National Anthem, untill you people don't read hindi literatures, the thinking alike you would never change, nothing to say more.
The general elections would show you the right path and right history of Akhand Bharat in coming year's. I request you please not to hate North Indians and further not to divide the country of castism, regionalism and wrong data's of some biased historians.
Thanks
Girendra Singh

On Tuesday, 14 May, 2019, 8:51:20 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Shri G. Singh's reply exemplifies the problem with North Indians - uski pramana deti hai - they still think they are the heart and soul of India despite the assurances of cultural equality given in the Constitution we accept and the historical fact of the North's supine acquiescence to every light skinned infiltrator, adventurer, invader and colonizer that ever reached the so-called heart of India from the north-west Hindu-Kush passes or Western seas. Starting with the Etruscans from the Mediterranean (see historian Prof. Nilkantha Shastri on this) Ephthalites, 'Aryans' from Iran and central Asia, Kushana, Yueh Chi and Huna tribes, Bactrian Greeks, Gurjaras, Ahom from South East Asia, down to the Timurid Uzbeks and Afghans who ruled this same Aryavarta for 1000 years with the full acquiescence of its numerous 'Hindu' Kings and princes.

The myth of creation of Rajput clans in the agnikund at Mt. Abu was invented by opportunist Brahmins seeking jobs at the courts of these ersatz newly baptised 'kings'. Hence also the pillar of Heliodorus, a Greek general made into an Indian chieftain, as a votary of Vishnu, near Sanchi.

Our puranas expunged all references to the great Magadhi Buddhist emperor Ashoka, who was rediscovered for India only by British epigraphicist James Princeps in the 19th century, while his monuments were uncovered by a series of British and German amateur and professional archaelogists.

What I am pointing to is the reliance on myth as history in North India and privileging of an upper caste cultural ethos and it's literature that subsists till today ignoring the great nations of pre- 'Hindu' societies now reduced to SCs and STs in the upper caste world view.

Deceit and deception have left their mark on the thinking of most North Indian upper caste 'Hindus', except for the genuine scholars amongst them. Hence we cannot accept an election Commissioner from the North or West who cowtows in supine deference to the party in power of the moment.

Joya Roy

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[rti4empowerment] Explain this to me

बिना EVM सेटिंग ये कैसे सम्भव हो सकता है

BJP/Congress

भोला सिंह 211820/140295

मेनका गांधी 211820/140295

उपेद्र नर्सिंग 211820/140295

हरीश द्विवेदी 211820/140295

सत्यपाल सिंह 211820/140295

संग मित्र मौर्य 211820/140295

कुंवर भारतेंद्र सिंह 211820/140295

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[IAC#RG] Fwd: Are we Hindus fools to vote for Modi ?

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From: Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019, 14:14
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Are we Hindus fools to vote for Modi ?
To: Girinder Singh <girinder_singh@yahoo.com>

This is not true at all! All the EVMs were rigged at the end! 20,00,000 EVMs (2 million, according to an RTI that has led to a writ petition in Mumbai HC) supplied by 3 companies to this EC are not in the inventory of the EC. EC cannot say where they are. Hence there were unregistered EVMs or those with duplicate numbers to the ones in polling booths being shifted all over the countryside. Haven't you seen the videos of irate and disturbed voters finding EVMs loaded in private vehicles, in govt. vehicles without papers outside strong rooms, in BJP workers' houses (one such shown in Kalka ji near my house), in Gujarat, Faridabad, and even dumped on the roadside in places? Have you not seen those videos, Bhai? They were not taken by professionals, and people have no right to intercept the machines before they are taken away by the administration. There's nothing they can do if the entire administrative and political class are corrupt and function outside the Constitution. Or too scared, like the CEC himself, who has two damning files being held by Home ministry above his head as threats.

This has been a historic fraud on the people of India. Their votes have been stolen. There is no democracy left under these people.

I'm not saying that other parties would not have done the same thing if they had the power to control the supine EC, the courts, the district administrations and the police. I have no preferences, they are all crooks, and conscience-less. But in Delhi, whatever be our views on Kejriwal and Co., large numbers who benefited from AAP's govt. school improvements, for standing up to Ambani and reducing our electricity bills, and for setting up mohalla clinics for the poor, all voted en masse for AAP but the EVMs were removed from the so-called strong rooms and replaced with pre-rigged ones at the end. So India did become a Banana Republic under this regime.

I have no hope for this country if the majority community, at least the ones who call the shots, have no values beyond personal gains, are adept at cheating, using public money for personal victories, function beyond the law, and worst, have sunk the people of India into grievous debt to International financial institutions for all time to come. Don't you read the newspapers who do report that, at least? Don't you know who benefited most from demonetization? That carefully synchronised and perfectly implemented plan to benefit a certain number of people at the expense of the rest of India. I'm sorry, but if Indians have become sheep then they are fools. But in voting they were using their right to teach this government a lesson but were robbed of the opportunity to do so. This election was totally, shamelessly rigged!

Joya Roy

On Sat, 25 May 2019, 11:22 Girinder Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

No need to counter Girendra Singh's post as the citizens of India have given their verdict to Mr Modi!
The answer has been given to Tukre Tukre gang and their supporters! The post have been proved rubbish and it's time to look biased writers within themselves!

Girendra Singh

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On 21-May-2019, at 8:14 PM, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

The real problem is the rabid, anti-Muslim, anti-anybody attitude in a democratic country, instigated by distortion of history and a fascist political agenda. In India, atheists, Jains, Buddhists, Brahma Samajis (like my family), Christians, some Vedantics, Adi Dharma tribal people, many other religionists, all ignore the latter day 'Hindu' gods as entities we can take ashray (refuge) in. We believe these gods exist. We even propitiate them. Also thousands of local devis and devatas of land, sky, forest and mountains. They are symbols of certain powers we can ourselves manifest. But we don't believe they created the world or can protect anyone or anything. They also pass away. Better to rely on our own karma - purifying the bad karmas, mental and physical, gathering better karma, by not harming, hurting anyone. For example, mob lynching people for any reason, stealing their cows, goods, land, houses, raping them, is a foolish coward's act. It will lead to the same thing happening to us in future lives. When we are a minority somewhere. Don't Hindus believe in karma?

As for Muslims and other 'Mlecchhas', if it wasn't for the Sakas, Kushana, Bactrians, Afghans, Tughlaks and Mughals, British, French and Portuguese visiting us, settling down here, we wouldn't have apples of any kind (Babar brought them from Samarkand), khubanis, plums, dates, walnuts, almonds, melons, saffron, potatoes, tomatoes, green chillies, hing, jeera, Kabuli channa, alphonso mangoes, coffee and tea, let alone paper, graphite, coinage, canal networks, modern antibiotics, trains, railways, steel bridges, power lines, telecommunications, the internal combustion engine, wrist watches, electricity, computers, the list is endless.

Be happy and thankful for what you received from these immigrants and conquerors. Rediscover the wonders of your own culture and don't denigrate others, their books, their language and their gods. Correct the faults of your own civilizational habits like maltreating animals, sacrificing them to false gods, putting down lower castes, treating any citizen as nonhumans.

In the recent elections in UP, your Hindi heartland, maybe, saffron mobs threatened Muslim voters, pushed them away from polling booths, abused them physically and verbally, denied them there rights as citizens which they undeniably are. Your banar senas of unemployed youth do this work for you. You think you can bathe in the Kumbh to rid yourselves of the sins of murder, theft, rape, but no genuine Hindu scripture says that's really possible without deep prayashchit. Read the Yoga Sutras. Don't follow fake yogis. That's my final advice to you.

On Tue, 21 May 2019, 17:16 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks Ms Joya,
I understood your view point too. You didn't gave any solution for the burning problems of country rather narrated your view point.
You just post a post with Title -- Are we Muslims fools to vote for Rahul...... you will get your answer quickly......
Thanks again

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2019, 3:57:57 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's what I think, or know about the situation. I am not a Muslim but I appreciate some aspects of their society in India, as well as those of all other religious groups in India.

Population growth amongst Muslims:

Muslims may have the right from Al-Quran to marry more than one wife. It was a historical necessity following the fierce wars of the 7-10th centuries in what we call the near-East. But I myself have several Hindu friends and acquaintances (senior IPS/IAS officers, and ex-rajas) who have one or two wives, some from respectable families of the same caste, the women having been abandoned by their own husbands for other women, others from lower castes. So, I can establish the fact that Hindus also have several wives, both in rural and urban areas. Among Kulin Brahmins of Bengal where only hypergamy is allowed, males till recently had so many wives that they couldn't remember their names and locations. The wives therefore could not establish their rights, except to die with Brahminical funeral rites. There is no count or recognition of the legal or illegitimate children they spawned. (However, presently, most Muslims I know, in academia, have only one wife!)

The difference between the two communities is that in Islamic polygamy, all the wives have rights to maintenance for themselves and their children and a share in the husband's property if he predeceases them. Among my Hindu friends, the 'other' wives may be called 'Rakhael', 'kept', even 'Randi' by society and the first wife. I don't think they have a legal right to maintenance for themselves and the children they may produce. Look at the trouble N. D. Tewari's son had to claim his paternal origin and rights, which he denied and which were ultimately settled by DNA tests.

Secondly, the main reason that Muslims have a higher population growth rate is not because they have significantly more children but because they do not practice female foetal abortion, killing of newborn girl children or starvation and denial of medical aid to female infants. I personally know Haryanvi Hindus who have had to rescue and rear their nieces from parents who wanted them to die of neglect, disease or starvation. Just look at the under-5 male-female child ratio in districts like Jhajjar, next door to Delhi, in Census 2011. Also in prosperous, urban Gujarat. Muslim populations, both rural and urban, are also poorer, so they have less access to FW and modern birth control facilities. Please do examine these statistics if you want to debate with me.

Muslims of both sexes can perform talaq. Husbands do not have to indulge either in bride burning, wife killing, or abandonment of female children, and all girls go to school, at least till they become literate. So, in the Muslim society that I'm familiar with, girls and women receive the same care, academic encouragement and rights as their male cohorts.

Among Paharis in Uttarakhand and Himachal, Hindu women of all castes can and do practice polyandry. Like Draupadi did. Do you object to that too?

UCC:

Hindus in India have the most exclusive Civil Code, which only applies to themselves! Its primary focus is the maintenance of the HUF. For example, on inheritance matters, till recently daughters, married or otherwise, seldom had paternal property rights granted to them after a parent's death. Only male heirs had these. Widows had rights only to maintenance. After decades of work by economist Bina Agarwal and others, widows and daughters were granted their legitimate property rights from the Supreme Court of India, including rights to agricultural lands.

Article 370:

This Article was the basis on which Maharaja Hari Singh acceded to the Union of India. Its abrogation cannot be done by any authority or body other than the Constituent Assembly of J&K state. However, the Constituent Assembly was dissolved in 1951 after the forced accession to India. Please remember, those who wanted Azaadi then and those who framed J&K's separate Constitution were mostly Kashmiri pandits, Dogras and other Hindus. All Kashmiris, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and tribal, felt they had a different ethnic and cultural identity from the Hindu dominated, caste stratified regions of the rest of India.

There are therefore grave implications of the unilateral abrogation of Article 370 by the Republic of India. The case that would be put forward against it would then go on indefinitely for decades and reach international courts and the UN again particularly since it would be cruelly enforced by an army under AFSPA and untrained paramilitaries like BSF, CRPF, ITBD AND CISF. IN FACT, other nations including our 'Enemy No. 1' China, and world power alliances under a UN mandate could actually take over the area to conduct that referendum that every Kashmiri on both sides of the LOC knows was promised to his/her people.

Would that solve any problems for India, Kashmir, or the region??

Kindly put aside your Hindu-centric male chauvinist worldview for a while, study the issues and historical origin of all points of view carefully and rethink your absolutist, and, in my perception, 'RSS influenced' solutions to these problems. Solutions have to be acceptable to all parties in a political dispute in this day and age, particularly one that has led to armed conflict. And do remember, the nuclear option touted by the unlettered saffron brigade would destroy your own North India completely.

Joya Roy

On Tue, 21 May 2019, 13:06 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms. Joya Roy,
What you would like to advice on the following issues to be faced after few decades in India and then may be Me and You would not be on scene?
1. Population outworst mainly by a single religion for which the knowledge starts and ends on their fanatic religious book?
2. Common Civil Code?
3. Article 370?
4. Why, the intellectuals like you never spoke on such agenda's in past 6 decades?

regards
GS

On Monday, 20 May, 2019, 1:38:47 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Maine pramana nahi di, kya? North Indians speak an Indo-European language. They like to think they descend from 'Aryans' whereas their genes could come from central Asia, Turkey, Iran, central, Balkan or Mediterranean Europe, or even from the Arabian peninsula. Yet they look down on South Indians on the basis of colour, imagined race and language. It's atrocious to expect anyone to adopt a language that is from a completely different family group, besides being bereft of centuries old literary tradition like Hindi, to belong to a country which is a federation of ancient and new cultures. You must be too young to know that in the mid-60s Tamils rioted against imposition of a language that was foreign to them and devoid of their own history, saying they would secede if Hindi became an official language.

I'm pointing to the incapability of North Indians of understanding the cultural diversity of India. This insensitivity, arrogance and distorted view of country, it's creeds, geography, history and politics, handicaps them in understanding their North-eastern, Eastern, tribal, Southern, and western co-ciitizens as well as from learning new things. So wake-up, my Hindi speaking countrymen and women and try to learn a little more about the ancient history and genetics of the Indian population.

Modi and his cohorts represent the business class of a certain section of North-western Indians. Their status has been raised by the Hindutwa brigade, run by upper castes and their Banar sends, who wish to impose Brahminical values on the polity, Many of us do not respect the values they hold, their policies, projects and capacity to rabble rouse in the name of religion - to use anything to gain political, personal, and business ends, ignoring the egalitarian, equalising currents that led to vibrant modern democracies. Sorry about that.

Joya Roy

On Mon, 20 May 2019, 12:18 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms Joya Roy,
I completely disagree with you. You may be wise in collection of data's and express the same from the historians who never put the right history of Indian peoples that all due to the administration of Congress like parties and netaj's like Jinna and other's your inner heart will include them. I never praised north - the picture of Bharat region wise. We north Indian's think that peoples in south have discouraged the public to pronounce Vande Mataram, Hindi Learning and on National Anthem, untill you people don't read hindi literatures, the thinking alike you would never change, nothing to say more.
The general elections would show you the right path and right history of Akhand Bharat in coming year's. I request you please not to hate North Indians and further not to divide the country of castism, regionalism and wrong data's of some biased historians.
Thanks
Girendra Singh

On Tuesday, 14 May, 2019, 8:51:20 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Shri G. Singh's reply exemplifies the problem with North Indians - uski pramana deti hai - they still think they are the heart and soul of India despite the assurances of cultural equality given in the Constitution we accept and the historical fact of the North's supine acquiescence to every light skinned infiltrator, adventurer, invader and colonizer that ever reached the so-called heart of India from the north-west Hindu-Kush passes or Western seas. Starting with the Etruscans from the Mediterranean (see historian Prof. Nilkantha Shastri on this) Ephthalites, 'Aryans' from Iran and central Asia, Kushana, Yueh Chi and Huna tribes, Bactrian Greeks, Gurjaras, Ahom from South East Asia, down to the Timurid Uzbeks and Afghans who ruled this same Aryavarta for 1000 years with the full acquiescence of its numerous 'Hindu' Kings and princes.

The myth of creation of Rajput clans in the agnikund at Mt. Abu was invented by opportunist Brahmins seeking jobs at the courts of these ersatz newly baptised 'kings'. Hence also the pillar of Heliodorus, a Greek general made into an Indian chieftain, as a votary of Vishnu, near Sanchi.

Our puranas expunged all references to the great Magadhi Buddhist emperor Ashoka, who was rediscovered for India only by British epigraphicist James Princeps in the 19th century, while his monuments were uncovered by a series of British and German amateur and professional archaelogists.

What I am pointing to is the reliance on myth as history in North India and privileging of an upper caste cultural ethos and it's literature that subsists till today ignoring the great nations of pre- 'Hindu' societies now reduced to SCs and STs in the upper caste world view.

Deceit and deception have left their mark on the thinking of most North Indian upper caste 'Hindus', except for the genuine scholars amongst them. Hence we cannot accept an election Commissioner from the North or West who cowtows in supine deference to the party in power of the moment.

Joya Roy

Tuesday, May 21, 2019

Re: [IAC#RG] No political party has resolve to eliminate reservations

In reserve category great grand father to great grand son are
crorepati or are on high pedestals and are still getting benefit of
reservation.Those who actually need the benefit of reservation policy
are devoid of benefit of its fruits.Unless,only economically weaker
sections in the reserve category are provided the benefit of
reservation, real persons who are in need of reservation would not get
any benefit.

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 9:03 AM Purobi Ghosh Mohan
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> Sarbajit, these are not so easy to resolve. All our elections in the past have been based on such planks. How do you expect a change overnight?
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> I don't think removal of reservations before discrimination is resolved is a good idea.
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>> If there is one thing which these 2019 elections expose, it is that no major political party has the resolve to publicly oppose caste, sex or religion based reservations and demand immediate scrapping of all reservations for employment, representation or admissions based on these criteria.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Are we Hindus fools to vote for Modi ?

Here's what I think, or know about the situation. I am not a Muslim but I appreciate some aspects of their society in India, as well as those of all other religious groups in India.

Population growth amongst Muslims:

Muslims may have the right from Al-Quran to marry more than one wife. It was a historical necessity following the fierce wars of the 7-10th centuries in what we call the near-East. But I myself have several Hindu friends and acquaintances (senior IPS/IAS officers, and ex-rajas) who have one or two wives, some from respectable families of the same caste, the women having been abandoned by their own husbands for other women, others from lower castes. So, I can establish the fact that Hindus also have several wives, both in rural and urban areas. Among Kulin Brahmins of Bengal where only hypergamy is allowed, males till recently had so many wives that they couldn't remember their names and locations. The wives therefore could not establish their rights, except to die with Brahminical funeral rites. There is no count or recognition of the legal or illegitimate children they spawned. (However, presently, most Muslims I know, in academia, have only one wife!)

The difference between the two communities is that in Islamic polygamy, all the wives have rights to maintenance for themselves and their children and a share in the husband's property if he predeceases them. Among my Hindu friends, the 'other' wives may be called 'Rakhael', 'kept', even 'Randi' by society and the first wife. I don't think they have a legal right to maintenance for themselves and the children they may produce. Look at the trouble N. D. Tewari's son had to claim his paternal origin and rights, which he denied and which were ultimately settled by DNA tests.

Secondly, the main reason that Muslims have a higher population growth rate is not because they have significantly more children but because they do not practice female foetal abortion, killing of newborn girl children or starvation and denial of medical aid to female infants. I personally know Haryanvi Hindus who have had to rescue and rear their nieces from parents who wanted them to die of neglect, disease or starvation. Just look at the under-5 male-female child ratio in districts like Jhajjar, next door to Delhi, in Census 2011. Also in prosperous, urban Gujarat. Muslim populations, both rural and urban, are also poorer, so they have less access to FW and modern birth control facilities. Please do examine these statistics if you want to debate with me.

Muslims of both sexes can perform talaq. Husbands do not have to indulge either in bride burning, wife killing, or abandonment of female children, and all girls go to school, at least till they become literate. So, in the Muslim society that I'm familiar with, girls and women receive the same care, academic encouragement and rights as their male cohorts.

Among Paharis in Uttarakhand and Himachal, Hindu women of all castes can and do practice polyandry. Like Draupadi did. Do you object to that too?

UCC:

Hindus in India have the most exclusive Civil Code, which only applies to themselves! Its primary focus is the maintenance of the HUF. For example, on inheritance matters, till recently daughters, married or otherwise, seldom had paternal property rights granted to them after a parent's death. Only male heirs had these. Widows had rights only to maintenance. After decades of work by economist Bina Agarwal and others, widows and daughters were granted their legitimate property rights from the Supreme Court of India, including rights to agricultural lands.

Article 370:

This Article was the basis on which Maharaja Hari Singh acceded to the Union of India. Its abrogation cannot be done by any authority or body other than the Constituent Assembly of J&K state. However, the Constituent Assembly was dissolved in 1951 after the forced accession to India. Please remember, those who wanted Azaadi then and those who framed J&K's separate Constitution were mostly Kashmiri pandits, Dogras and other Hindus. All Kashmiris, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and tribal, felt they had a different ethnic and cultural identity from the Hindu dominated, caste stratified regions of the rest of India.

There are therefore grave implications of the unilateral abrogation of Article 370 by the Republic of India. The case that would be put forward against it would then go on indefinitely for decades and reach international courts and the UN again particularly since it would be cruelly enforced by an army under AFSPA and untrained paramilitaries like BSF, CRPF, ITBD AND CISF. IN FACT, other nations including our 'Enemy No. 1' China, and world power alliances under a UN mandate could actually take over the area to conduct that referendum that every Kashmiri on both sides of the LOC knows was promised to his/her people.

Would that solve any problems for India, Kashmir, or the region??

Kindly put aside your Hindu-centric male chauvinist worldview for a while, study the issues and historical origin of all points of view carefully and rethink your absolutist, and, in my perception, 'RSS influenced' solutions to these problems. Solutions have to be acceptable to all parties in a political dispute in this day and age, particularly one that has led to armed conflict. And do remember, the nuclear option touted by the unlettered saffron brigade would destroy your own North India completely.

Joya Roy

On Tue, 21 May 2019, 13:06 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms. Joya Roy,
What you would like to advice on the following issues to be faced after few decades in India and then may be Me and You would not be on scene?
1. Population outworst mainly by a single religion for which the knowledge starts and ends on their fanatic religious book?
2. Common Civil Code?
3. Article 370?
4. Why, the intellectuals like you never spoke on such agenda's in past 6 decades?

regards
GS

On Monday, 20 May, 2019, 1:38:47 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Maine pramana nahi di, kya? North Indians speak an Indo-European language. They like to think they descend from 'Aryans' whereas their genes could come from central Asia, Turkey, Iran, central, Balkan or Mediterranean Europe, or even from the Arabian peninsula. Yet they look down on South Indians on the basis of colour, imagined race and language. It's atrocious to expect anyone to adopt a language that is from a completely different family group, besides being bereft of centuries old literary tradition like Hindi, to belong to a country which is a federation of ancient and new cultures. You must be too young to know that in the mid-60s Tamils rioted against imposition of a language that was foreign to them and devoid of their own history, saying they would secede if Hindi became an official language.

I'm pointing to the incapability of North Indians of understanding the cultural diversity of India. This insensitivity, arrogance and distorted view of country, it's creeds, geography, history and politics, handicaps them in understanding their North-eastern, Eastern, tribal, Southern, and western co-ciitizens as well as from learning new things. So wake-up, my Hindi speaking countrymen and women and try to learn a little more about the ancient history and genetics of the Indian population.

Modi and his cohorts represent the business class of a certain section of North-western Indians. Their status has been raised by the Hindutwa brigade, run by upper castes and their Banar sends, who wish to impose Brahminical values on the polity, Many of us do not respect the values they hold, their policies, projects and capacity to rabble rouse in the name of religion - to use anything to gain political, personal, and business ends, ignoring the egalitarian, equalising currents that led to vibrant modern democracies. Sorry about that.

Joya Roy

On Mon, 20 May 2019, 12:18 Girender Singh, <girinder_singh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ms Joya Roy,
I completely disagree with you. You may be wise in collection of data's and express the same from the historians who never put the right history of Indian peoples that all due to the administration of Congress like parties and netaj's like Jinna and other's your inner heart will include them. I never praised north - the picture of Bharat region wise. We north Indian's think that peoples in south have discouraged the public to pronounce Vande Mataram, Hindi Learning and on National Anthem, untill you people don't read hindi literatures, the thinking alike you would never change, nothing to say more.
The general elections would show you the right path and right history of Akhand Bharat in coming year's. I request you please not to hate North Indians and further not to divide the country of castism, regionalism and wrong data's of some biased historians.
Thanks
Girendra Singh

On Tuesday, 14 May, 2019, 8:51:20 pm IST, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:

Shri G. Singh's reply exemplifies the problem with North Indians - uski pramana deti hai - they still think they are the heart and soul of India despite the assurances of cultural equality given in the Constitution we accept and the historical fact of the North's supine acquiescence to every light skinned infiltrator, adventurer, invader and colonizer that ever reached the so-called heart of India from the north-west Hindu-Kush passes or Western seas. Starting with the Etruscans from the Mediterranean (see historian Prof. Nilkantha Shastri on this) Ephthalites, 'Aryans' from Iran and central Asia, Kushana, Yueh Chi and Huna tribes, Bactrian Greeks, Gurjaras, Ahom from South East Asia, down to the Timurid Uzbeks and Afghans who ruled this same Aryavarta for 1000 years with the full acquiescence of its numerous 'Hindu' Kings and princes.

The myth of creation of Rajput clans in the agnikund at Mt. Abu was invented by opportunist Brahmins seeking jobs at the courts of these ersatz newly baptised 'kings'. Hence also the pillar of Heliodorus, a Greek general made into an Indian chieftain, as a votary of Vishnu, near Sanchi.

Our puranas expunged all references to the great Magadhi Buddhist emperor Ashoka, who was rediscovered for India only by British epigraphicist James Princeps in the 19th century, while his monuments were uncovered by a series of British and German amateur and professional archaelogists.

What I am pointing to is the reliance on myth as history in North India and privileging of an upper caste cultural ethos and it's literature that subsists till today ignoring the great nations of pre- 'Hindu' societies now reduced to SCs and STs in the upper caste world view.

Deceit and deception have left their mark on the thinking of most North Indian upper caste 'Hindus', except for the genuine scholars amongst them. Hence we cannot accept an election Commissioner from the North or West who cowtows in supine deference to the party in power of the moment.

Joya Roy

Sunday, May 19, 2019

Re: [IAC#RG] STAFF IN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS SHOULD SERVE WITH DEDICATION

Dear Advocate Aires Rodrigues,

Thanks for your message. Strict Accountability is a must to ensure governance. But the most important is decriminalisation of politics and elimination of caste-ism and reservations.

With warm regards,

S K Agarwal

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:58 AM Aires Rodrigues <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

There is an urgent need to ensure that in all government offices the staff is very punctual in reporting for work. Infact the Heads of all departments should themselves lead by example. They have a duty to ensure that in serving the public, the staff discharge their duties very courteously, professionally with love, passion,integrity and a smile.They must realise that the very people they serve pay for this service and are therefore their employers who have a right to expect an excellent service at all times.

Government employees reaching the office late, merrily absconding during office hours and leaving office early is unacceptable as it is an inconvenience to the people visiting the government offices to redress their grievances.

Every step must be taken to ensure total transparency, efficiency and honesty in the working of every department. Only then will there be a hope for Good Governance. Governments and government offices in any smooth functioning democracy must always be of the people by the people and for the people.

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[IAC#RG] Exit polls

1. Through exit polls, Modi is testing your mind. How many lies can you take? If you show defeatism, results will be hidden/ manipulated. If you show courage and accept facts, Modi, SINCE HE IS ALREADY LOSING, will concede his absymal whipping at the hands of the Indian electorate!

2. अबे, तुम लोगों को और कोई भाषा समझ मे नही आती!

एक्ज़िट पोल की मां/बाप की आंख! मोदी-शाह चुनाव हार गये हैं! उत्तर-प्रदेश, हिंदी-बेल्ट और बंगाल ने सारा खेल पलट दिया है!

UPA: 216

NDA: 167

अन्य: 161

यह है सच्चाई!

3. I am shocked!

Liberals, even after my correct predictions in all by-polls, Chattisgarh, MP and Rajasthan, you are trusting exit polls?

VISIT MY WALL...STUPID...

4. OVERALL PROJECTION! NDA NOT FORMING A GOVT!

Total Seats: 543

Congress plus allies (UPA): 216

BJP plus allies: 167

Others: 160

5. SOUTH INDIA (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Telengana, Andhra Pradesh)

Total Seats: 134

Congress plus allies (UPA): 77

BJP plus allies (NDA): 15

Others: 42

6. WEST INDIA (Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Goa, Daman & Diu, Dadra & Nagar Haveli)

Total Seats: 101

Congress plus allies (UPA): 42

BJP plus allies (NDA): 59

7. NORTH INDIA (Uttar Pradesh, Delhi, J&K, Punjab, Haryana, Chandigarh, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand)

Total Seats: 126

Congress plus allies: 31

BJP plus allies: 39

Others (mainly SP-BSP/Haryana parties): 56

8. CENTRAL INDIA (Madhya Pradesh and Chattisgarh)

Total seats: 40

Congress plus allies (UPA): 23

BJP plus allies (NDA): 17

9. EAST INDIA (Bihar, Bengal, Orissa, Jharkhand)

Total Seats: 117

Congress plus allies (UPA): 33

BJP plus allies (NDA): 27

Others (mainly TMC/BJD/Left): 57

10. NORTH EAST (Assam, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura, Sikkim, Meghalaya, Sikkim)

Total Seats: 25

Congress plus allies (UPA): 10

BJP plus allies (NDA): 10

Others: 5