Re: [HumJanenge] DEAR MR BANKER.

Yes ! 

That is what I am doing.

We have JAN SANGH PARTY -- TO FULFILL THE AIMS U 

HAVE thought of   ; by winning elections  all forthcoming elections will be contested with following aim:-

Good Education (VALUE BASED )for all equally in one type of schools all over with GOOD sanskars to create a classless society 2 decades later.

To change entire corrupt system : by Including, entire agenda  on the lines of Ram Dev.

To join our  party kindly express your willingness. 

Col Thakur Singh

President

 JSP,HP,

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Banker

You are truly a very wise and enlightened man.

You have conveyed in 1 email what I have spent many many years trying
to convey to all the duffers on my mailing list.

It is quite obvious that there is absolutely nothing you can learn
from our mailing list - which is run for all the fools in the country
as a public service by hoping to find a few good people among 1000's
of bewakoofs.

I am dropping everything to unsubscribe you as fast as possible.

Very very warmly. And with my deepest apologies.

Sarbajit Roy
your most humble servant


On 4/5/12, Nikhil Banker <nikhilbanker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>            You all are a big time pass. If really feel to do something start
> taking action & don't waste your time only in giving suggestions all the
> time. Try to do something concretely. This Govt or any politicians mint
> money at our cost. They don't pay even taxes as their money is not in the
> country. We are fools that we are discussing only. Even military is passive.
> We are still slaves thiugh Britishers quited India. I hope you all will
> understand what I mean to say? Many countries in the world faced revolution
> & we are still keeping the words of Ahinsa. Laato ke Bhoot baato se nahin
> mante. We need Civil War. Naxalites are right for their fight but as we are
> earning better than them we are like impotents.
>              I request every one to delete my mail I'd from your list as my
> pressure goes high for everything & affecting my heaLth. Sorry but true.
>               Thanks,
>               Nikhil Banker
> Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone
>

[.RTI.] [HumJanenge]

Dear Moderator of HumJanenge Group,
For information against RTI act you can send your RTI
application to the concerned department according to the provisions
prescribed under section 6(1) of RTI Act 2005.

Thanks and Regards,

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

 I also feel Defence Minister ought to be Army man.

All ADMIN SERVISES ie., IAS, IPS,IFS & ALLIED SERVICES, the entry / eligibility should be through 5 years mandatory service in the army/air force/navy/Para mil forces.

Edn sys need to be reversed back to before Lord Macaulay's to have morality back in us all.

Regards

Col Thakur Singh 

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

Your comment below reminds me of a country which thought that why should they spend money and effort on the safeguards of their nuclear plants as no one can destroy them. They got blasted through an unexpected Tsunami. Other well to do countries quickly modified their plans to handle their own nuclear plants. Suddenly costs lost all concerns and the safety and security of their people became the prime concern.

Jai Hind.

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

---

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
and Brahmos missile systems)

Sarbajit

On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > G. C. Mathur

[HumJanenge] Re: (Desiyatra)-- CIC Shailesh Gandhi’s Pro-Greens Order to MOEF: Give Gadgil report on Western Ghat Ecology

Dear Mukund

Mnay thanks for forwarding 2 emails from Krishnaraj Rao to HJ-GG.

Ordinarily, I would have allowed your messages to be posted but Mr.Rao
has some issues with our group and had got unsubscribed some time back.,
Of course he is always welcome to rejoin

Mr Rao (like most RTI activists) is unwilling to concede that other people can hold
opinions on RTI  / law different from his. - which are correct. He is unwilling to join
any civilised discussion   on RTI - he is not alone in this. All the NGO parasites
wish to collectively ignore our group because the nonsense they propagate
gets exposed in 2 rounds of discussion. 

Warmly

Sanbajit Roy

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Mukund Apte <mdapte@gmail.com> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Krishnaraj Rao <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Subject: (Desiyatra)-- CIC Shailesh Gandhi's Pro-Greens Order to MOEF: Give Gadgil report on Western Ghat Ecology
To:

Shailesh Gandhi's order has wide applicability for citizens' access to govt. expert panel reports

 

11 April 2012, Mumbai: In an order that should make eco-activists cheer, Central Information Commissioner Shailesh Gandhi on Monday asked Ministry of Environment and Forests (MOEF) to disclose the report submitted by the Western Ghats Ecology Expert Panel ("WGEEP") chaired by Professor Madhav Gadgil. The CIC overruled the arguments of MOEF Deputy Director Dr. Amit Love, who in his capacity as MOEF's public information officer argued that the "scientific or economic interests of the State" would be affected by disclosure at this stage.

 

The Western Ghats Ecology Expert Panel or WGEEP was set up in 2010 top assess the ecological status of the Western Ghats region, demarcation of areas within the said region required to be notified as ecologically sensitive, and recommendations for conservation, protection and rejuvenation of the Western Ghats region. Subsequently the panel was also given the task of examining the Athirappilly Hydroelectric projects.

 

CIC Shailesh Gandhi's order is attached and also can be downloaded here: http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_A_2012_000374_18316_M_79964.pdf

 

HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS CIC ORDER:

 

1)      WORK-IN-PROGRESS IS NOT 'DRAFT REPORT': As Prof. Gadgil's report has already been submitted to MOEF, it cannot be denied on the grounds that it is a 'draft' report. Moreover, there is no provision in the RTI Act which exempts from disclosure a report that has not been finalized or accepted by a public authority.

 

2)      REASONS FOR DENIAL MUST STRICTLY BE AS PER RTI ACT. A PIO must provide the information within 30 days unless it falls under the ten exemptions of Section 8 (1) or Section 9. As an illustration, there is no exemption for 'confidential' information, unless it has been provided by a foreign Government.

 

3)      BE TRANSPARENT WHILE FORMULATING POLICIES. The PIO has claimed that the policy is being formulated and hence the report cannot be disclosed. This Bench would like to remember Justice Mathew's clarion call in State of Uttar Pradesh v. Raj Narain (1975) 4 SCC 428 - "In a government of responsibility like ours, where all the agents of the public must be responsible for their conduct, there can be but few secrets. The people of this country have a right to know every public act, everything that is done in a public way by their public functionaries. They are entitled to know the particulars of every public transaction in all its bearing. Their right to know, which is derived from the concept of freedom of speech, though not absolute, is a factor which should make one wary when secrecy is claimed for transactions which can at any rate have no repercussion on public security".

 

4)      RTI IS A TOOL FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY AWARE CITIZENS. With the advent of the RTI Act, citizens have access information impacting the environment such as impact assessment reports, clearances,  permissions/licenses provided by the concerned ministries, etc. This has enabled citizens to knowledgeably understand environmental issues. Citizens and civil society, who are actively pursuing the objective of protecting the biodiversity of ecologically sensitive regions, flora, fauna, and endangered species, now have access to information which allows them to obtain a true picture of our ecosystem. The RTI Act has proved to be a crucial tool for creating awareness among citizens and making them cognizant of the realities.

 

5)      DON'T HIDE REPORTS TO AVOID FRESH PROPOSALS FROM CITIZENS. The PIO argued that premature release of the report (containing the methodology for demarcation) into the public domain without adequate consultations with the state governments/central ministries to refine the boundaries of ecosensitive areas may lead to a situation wherein there would be an influx of proposals for declaration of eco-sensitive zones in the Western Ghats by individuals/groups/organizations. His contention is that this would impact economic progress and interests. The order rejects this reasoning, saying, "Mere apprehension of proposals being put forth by citizens and civil society who are furthering the cause of environment protection cannot be said to prejudicially affect the scientific and economic interests of the country. Disclosing a report or information does not mean that the government has to follow it."

 

6)      DENIAL OF INFORMATION PROTECTS ONLY VESTED INTERESTS. Further, the PIO appears to suggest that a slow-down in economic activity on account of environmental concerns is not desirable. If an economic activity causes substantial loss to the environment, then it is necessary that such an activity is not carried out or deferred to a later date. The order rejects such reasoning, saying, "The only real loss may be to some people who wish to exploit the resources presently. The Nation would not really lose. On the other hand, if the economic activity is allowed to be carried on without a proper appreciation of its deleterious consequences, it would lead to an irreversible destruction of the environment with valuable resources being lost. This would be against the tenet of 'sustainable development'".

 

7)      PROACTIVE DISCLOSURE OF SUCH REPORTS IS NECESSARY. The preceding arguments lead to the conclusion that all reports of Panels, Experts, Committees, and Commissions which are set up by Government by spending public funds must be displayed suo moto as per the mandate of Section 4 (1) (c ) & (d) read with 4 (2). If parts of such report are exempt as per the RTI Act, the exempt parts could be severed after providing the reasons for such severance. If the entire report relates to the security or strategic interest of India, this should be stated. Such a practice would be in accordance with the provisions of Section 4 of the RTI Act and would result in greater trust in the Government and its actions.

 

Warmly,

Krish

98215 88114

thebravepedestrian@gmail.com

 

 

--
      With regards to all,
      ------Mukund Apte

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

It is good that we r talking of defence deal to day, thanks to gen VK.the fact is that corruption in def deal as bad as in any other govt deal in this country may be little more since no one can question it's operation covered under secrecy mod. starting from the smallest spare part to the tank,ac , ship,sub marine n missile,it is all full of corruption in all possible manner starting from the draft to the purchase. when we talk of our white elephant in under def min the heaviest one is our DRDO,HAL etc which are heavy burden on our exchequer but what is the solution, privatisation is no solution our private industrialist r more corrupt than the govt machinery.In fact it is they who first offer the bribe for doing wrong n illegal acts.The only solution is more n more of us become patriots n nationalists,we have to put nation before self. when we go to cremation ground we all see every body go empty handed n swear by god not to do any thing wrong but as soon as we come out get into the same corrupt mod as before.For corruption in def deal it is not only the def min is culprit but def officers r no less,given a chance every body has done it some body less n some body more depend on the time n space.To protect this nation from enemies let us at least spare the def. Let us not believe what def minister say we can't trust any pol they only speak good words n only do bad acts.To day this country is poor only because of them where they all have become rich only through corruption the nation has become poor by every day. All their planning n policies are based on corruption.they allot max budget where there can be max corruption n till date hardly any pol has been punished even after being proved guilty. complete system played into their hand.Even a plain mp become richer by at least 5 crore in one five yrs tenure from where that money comes? If a poor man can live in rs 32 a day than why cann't be a MLA or a MP why they need rs more than a lakh pm.They want o tax every citizen n every goods n services may be even water tomorrow but do they pay any tax,they want every thing free.I fail to understand what r they doing for the nation n why do we elect them.In fact the present political system has failed miserably in this country n may be we have to think of some other better pol system.

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Dear Mahesh

I request you to read my post again.

Nobody is saying (and definitely not I) that the Armed Forces should
be weak or underpowered or under equipped. In fact I swing to the
other extreme by saying that IF NECESSARY the Forces should be as OVER-
EQUIPPED (US Armed Forces) or lightly powered (Viet Cong) as it takes
to get the job done.

My grievance is about taking money out of the country on arms deals.
It is my case that white elephants (aka black holes) DRDO, BEML, BHEL,
BEL etc etc should be closed down as fast as possible.

If you go through my old posts on this group, I am openly advocating
compulsory conscription (2 -3 years like Israel Switzerland), guns for
everyone, Complete Biological weapons development program, enchanced
cyber war capability etc  etc etc.

And let me tell you something Sir, Our Army is a "Col. Blimp" Army
completely unequipped with the skills necessary to fight modern day
wars against an enemy like China, Brazil, Russia etc.

Sarbajit


On Apr 11, 8:58 am, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> Your comment below reminds me of a country which thought that why should they spend money and effort on the safeguards of their nuclear plants as no one can destroy them. They got blasted through an unexpected Tsunami. Other well to do countries quickly modified their plans to handle their own nuclear plants. Suddenly costs lost all concerns and the safety and security of their people became the prime concern.
>
> Jai Hind.
>
> With warm regards,
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
> ________________________________
>  From: sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 6:57 AM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption
>
> So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
> rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
> are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
> and Brahmos missile systems)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> > wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> > of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
> > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > > G. C. Mathur

 

Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha

Sir

You are somewhat confused.

The Freedom of Speech conferred on a M of P u/a 105(1) is quite
different from that granted to a citizen as Fundamental Right u/a
19(1)(a) as it is UNFETTERED so long as it is exercised IN PARLIAMENT.

This is a very valuable RIGHT and Safeguard for Democracy. If you
recall during Emergency days the Gandhi Parivar had only 1 answer
against this - JAIL EVERYBODY TO PREVENT THEM FROM SPEAKING IN
PARLIAMENT.

Now they have even better "tools" - (and I use this word judiciously)
like proposing Mr. Habibullah for Chairman of Rajya Sabha. Many people
in Lucknow still remember how the ladies of certain families were so
proactive in throttling the "tools" of the Muslim community during
those dark days (It is commonly known the working ratio then used was
1 Muslim nasbundied = 10 Hindus, so the more Muslims who were
sterilised by their own community the better and the more brownie
points you earned in the Congress heirarchy).

Sarbajit

On 4/11/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Sir, it is said under the rules made by Ms of P , themselves that nothing
> can be done to a MP even if he/she makes a false or misleading statement or
> act in any manner in the house. so they are free to do any legal or illegal
> thing in the house since insulated but the law will catch others who do such
> things outside the LS/RS.
>
> --- On Mon, 9/4/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha
> To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 4:24 PM
>
> Thanks, Sir,
> This RTI is very important as to many unfulfilled assurance on the floor of
> the House, Rajya Sabha Sectt. has replied that the replies do not form any
> assurance. Wrote to Hon. Chairman, Shri Hamid Ansari but no reply till date
> after over one month.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012 5:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha
>
> Please try the CAPIO mode , India Post, who will carry your application free
> of cost and give you a proof of receipt.
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hello Mr Gupta,
>
> Why dont you file your RTI Application through Money Order. Both Lok Sabha
> and Rajya Sabha accept Money Orders. This is a tried and tested methods by
> old hands of RTI Act 2005.
>
> Manoj
>
> --- On Sat, 4/7/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>
> From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [HumJanenge]
> To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information"
> <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 8:47 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> I want to know the name and address of the PIO, Rajya Sabha for mailing an
> RTI. tried to find out from the RS website but was unable, found information
> there in unsystematic manner.
> shall be grateful for this favour.

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Dear Mr Sarbajit, I agree with all that you are articulating.
Warm regards,
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:24:52
To: HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Dear Mahesh

I request you to read my post again.

Nobody is saying (and definitely not I) that the Armed Forces should
be weak or underpowered or under equipped. In fact I swing to the
other extreme by saying that IF NECESSARY the Forces should be as OVER-
EQUIPPED (US Armed Forces) or lightly powered (Viet Cong) as it takes
to get the job done.

My grievance is about taking money out of the country on arms deals.
It is my case that white elephants (aka black holes) DRDO, BEML, BHEL,
BEL etc etc should be closed down as fast as possible.

If you go through my old posts on this group, I am openly advocating
compulsory conscription (2 -3 years like Israel Switzerland), guns for
everyone, Complete Biological weapons development program, enchanced
cyber war capability etc etc etc.

And let me tell you something Sir, Our Army is a "Col. Blimp" Army
completely unequipped with the skills necessary to fight modern day
wars against an enemy like China, Brazil, Russia etc.

Sarbajit


On Apr 11, 8:58 am, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> Your comment below reminds me of a country which thought that why should they spend money and effort on the safeguards of their nuclear plants as no one can destroy them. They got blasted through an unexpected Tsunami. Other well to do countries quickly modified their plans to handle their own nuclear plants. Suddenly costs lost all concerns and the safety and security of their people became the prime concern.
>
> Jai Hind.
>
> With warm regards,
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
> ________________________________
>  From: sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 6:57 AM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption
>
> So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
> rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
> are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
> and Brahmos missile systems)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> > wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> > of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
> > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > > G. C. Mathur

Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha

Sir,  it is said under the rules made by Ms of  P , themselves that nothing can be done to a MP even if he/she makes a false or misleading statement or act in any manner in the house.  so they are free to do any legal or illegal thing in the house since insulated but the law will catch others who do such things outside the LS/RS.     --- On Mon, 9/4/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 4:24 PM Thanks, Sir, This RTI is very important as to many unfulfilled assurance on the floor of the House, Rajya Sabha Sectt. has replied that the replies do not form any assurance.  Wrote to Hon. Chairman, Shri Hamid Ansari but no reply till date after over one month. From: Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha Please try the CAPIO mode , India Post, who will carry your application free of cost and give you a proof of receipt. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Mr Gupta, Why dont you file your RTI Application through Money Order. Both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha accept Money Orders. This is a tried and tested methods by old hands of RTI Act 2005. Manoj --- On Sat, 4/7/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: [HumJanenge] To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 8:47 AM I want to know the name and address of the PIO, Rajya Sabha for mailing an RTI. tried to find out from the RS website but was unable, found information there in unsystematic manner. shall be grateful for this favour.

Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Dear Capt Beniwal

If you have filed a SHORT properly drafted plaint (with a single
prayer) in the SC which you have filed in person, the best course of
action for you would be NOT to appear on the day it is listed for
admission or before the JR for completing the formalities.

The even better way as a senior citizen would be to file it through Legal AID.

In all cases your drafting must be precise and perfect.

Sarbajit

On 4/11/12, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Sir, whats the rules under which a petitioner in person can file case
> against a SC judge(present/retired) who dismissed the case on one line
> statement( said to be made as is written in order) by the ASG (because ASG
> was not even present in the court) and told the petitioner to keep quite
> despite requests to read the relevant rules for the case. blatant misuse
> powers. rgds.
>
> --- On Tue, 10/4/12, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep
> introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.
> To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: "Justice Kamleshwar Nath" <justicekn@gmail.com>, "ionhrc HUman Rights
> Commissionm" <ionhrc@nic.in>, "Human Ridhts"
> <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>,
> "Humane-Rights-Agenda@yahoogroups.com"
> <Humane-Rights-Agenda@yahoogroups.com>, "covdnhrc Human Rights Commission"
> <covdnhrc@nic.in>, "AHRC News" <listadmin@ahrchk.net>
> Date: Tuesday, 10 April, 2012, 8:00 PM
>
> Hon. Sir Kamleshwarnathji, How to file A complaint
> against Retired Judge of High Court and also City Civil Court Judge who
> completely violated the Laws of Land, Civil Procedure Code and also Natural
> Justice in the name of corruption. This is a serious issue of law of
> the Land. Any body can give reply , if some one knows the process. This
> issue of denial of Natural Justice , ignoring the provisions of Laws of the
> Land , human rights , Civil Procedure code out right!!!!!!!!!!
> Shah D J
> USA
>
> From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 1:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep
> introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.
>
> Well said.
> KN
>
> From the Desk of :
>
> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
> Retd.
> : Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahbad ),
> Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahbad )
> Address
> :
> `Gunjan', C
> - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
> Phone(s)
> Res. :
> Mob. :
> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459
> +91-9415010746
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:50 AM
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep
> introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.
>
> Dear Mr. Lahiri
>
> Some of your points are eminently sensible.
> Let me explain the legal position first.
>
> 1) India is still a religious nation on its
> way to becoming secular
> (we are yet to have a Unified Civil Code for instance as desired by
> our founding fathers).
>
> 2) India = Hindu, and Hindu = Indian.
>
> 3) A Hindu is defined in law to mean every Indian who in NOT Muslim,
> Christian, Parsi, Jew etc. In addition, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists,
> Scheduled Trials etc are NOT Hindus but "Hindu Law" applies to them
> UNTIL they opt out by embracing the secular laws.
>
> 4) A Christian is not a Hindu (Rahul Gandhi go home on your Raul Da
> Vinci passport)
>
> 5) A Muslim is not a Hindu ( Go to Pakistan or any other Muslim
> country which will accept you)
>
> 6) A Jew is not a Hindu (Go to the State of Israel which has been set
> up for you, but which closed its doors a long time ago to "blacks")
>
> 7) A Parsi is a Hindu (as India is now their land also, and they are
> the sweet sugar in our rasogolla syrup)
>
> If you agree with me so far, I can explain
> further where you are right
> and where you are wrong.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 4/8/12, RATHINDRA PRASAD LAHIRI <rplahiri@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Respected all,
>> It time for deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since
>> independence., if any and to correct the wrongs immediately without
>> fail..
>> I think the following things are to be started immediately to correct
>> whatever have gone wrong:
>> 1. Indian culture - the classes on Hinduwatta that is Vedanta ,
>> Upanishad, Geeta, Puranic tales and Indian mythologies should be
>> taught right from the pre-nursery classes.
>> 2.Religious believes must be based on truths, scientific rationalism
>> on Vedantic philosophies. Religions based on Fake and Deceiful
>> propaganda should be banished.
>> 3.Noises emanating from any
> religious place must be banned.Silence
>> must prevail inside and outside any religious place.
>> 4. Divisive vote bank politics must be banned and shunned. All Indians
>> are to be One in spirits.
>> 5. The entire India must be a technolgy society, based on Science,
>> technology and innovations.
>> 6.India should be developed on the Model of Venus Project Resource
>> based Concept.
>> 7.India should be a knowledge society.
>> 8. India should be a highly 'ethical society'
>>
>
>
>
>

[HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Dear Mahesh

I request you to read my post again.

Nobody is saying (and definitely not I) that the Armed Forces should
be weak or underpowered or under equipped. In fact I swing to the
other extreme by saying that IF NECESSARY the Forces should be as OVER-
EQUIPPED (US Armed Forces) or lightly powered (Viet Cong) as it takes
to get the job done.

My grievance is about taking money out of the country on arms deals.
It is my case that white elephants (aka black holes) DRDO, BEML, BHEL,
BEL etc etc should be closed down as fast as possible.

If you go through my old posts on this group, I am openly advocating
compulsory conscription (2 -3 years like Israel Switzerland), guns for
everyone, Complete Biological weapons development program, enchanced
cyber war capability etc etc etc.

And let me tell you something Sir, Our Army is a "Col. Blimp" Army
completely unequipped with the skills necessary to fight modern day
wars against an enemy like China, Brazil, Russia etc.

Sarbajit

On Apr 11, 8:58 am, Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit,
>
> Your comment below reminds me of a country which thought that why should they spend money and effort on the safeguards of their nuclear plants as no one can destroy them. They got blasted through an unexpected Tsunami. Other well to do countries quickly modified their plans to handle their own nuclear plants. Suddenly costs lost all concerns and the safety and security of their people became the prime concern.
>
> Jai Hind.
>
> With warm regards,
>
> Col Mahesh Khera
>
> ________________________________
>  From: sarbajit roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 6:57 AM
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption
>
> So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
> rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
> are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
> and Brahmos missile systems)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> > wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> > of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
> > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > > G. C. Mathur

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

We need a soldier to be the Defence Minister.Soldier does not neccesarily
mean a General officer.A soldier who understands the services and the
Politics.Major Jaswant Singh was a fairly competent Defence Minister in BJP
who understood both the parts of the game very well.Capt Amrinder Singh of
Congress can fit in very well in the same slot.Honesty of Antony can do
wonders in urban development and uplift of backward classes or any such
ministry.Purchase of equipment in the Army/Navy /Airforce where IAS lobby
and politicians have the major role in MOD is bound to be tarnished by
kickbacks and other favours by sellers essentially comming from powerful
nations to palm off their surplus/obsolete equipment to help their
respective nations in keeping their Defence industry alive .We have an
excellent Army which has responded to the call of nation in four wars and
perpetual insurgency operations.Present happenings are sending a wrong
signal to the rank and file which must stop at all costs.Washing of dirty
linen in public by all concerned must cease.Let ruffians not intrude in our
system and press/media play its role more deligently.

Warm Regards

Col SPS Rekhi,VSM
Director-BD
rekhi@cain.in www.cain.in
Mobile:+91-9818389089
Tel:+91-120-4644052
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarbajit roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005"
<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
and Brahmos missile systems)

Sarbajit

On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next
> year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after
> fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness
> and security.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > G. C. Mathur

Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Sir, whats the rules under which a petitioner in person  can file case against a SC judge(present/retired) who dismissed  the case on one line statement( said to be made as is written in order)  by the ASG  (because ASG was not even  present in the court) and told the petitioner to keep quite despite requests to read the relevant rules for the case. blatant misuse powers. rgds.  --- On Tue, 10/4/12, Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dipak Shah <djshah1944@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any. To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Cc: "Justice Kamleshwar Nath" <justicekn@gmail.com>, "ionhrc HUman Rights Commissionm" <ionhrc@nic.in>, "Human Ridhts" <humanrightsactivist@yahoogroups.com>, "Humane-Rights-Agenda@yahoogroups.com" <Humane-Rights-Agenda@yahoogroups.com>, "covdnhrc Human Rights Commission" <covdnhrc@nic.in>, "AHRC News" <listadmin@ahrchk.net> Date: Tuesday, 10 April, 2012, 8:00 PM Hon. Sir Kamleshwarnathji,                        How to file A complaint against Retired Judge of High Court and also City Civil Court Judge who completely violated the Laws of Land, Civil Procedure Code and also Natural Justice in the name of corruption.       This is a serious issue of law of the Land.  Any body can give reply , if some one knows the process. This issue of denial of Natural Justice  , ignoring the provisions of Laws of the Land , human rights , Civil Procedure code out right!!!!!!!!!! Shah D J USA From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 1:19 AM Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any. Well said.     KN From the Desk of : Justice Kamleshwar Nath Retd. : Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahbad ), Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahbad ) Address : `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India Phone(s) Res. : Mob. : +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459 +91-9415010746 -----Original Message----- From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:50 AM To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any. Dear Mr. Lahiri Some of your points are eminently sensible. Let me explain the legal position first. 1) India is still a religious nation on its way to becoming secular (we are yet to have a Unified Civil Code for instance as desired by our founding fathers). 2)  India = Hindu, and Hindu = Indian. 3) A Hindu is defined in law to mean every Indian who in NOT Muslim, Christian, Parsi, Jew etc. In addition, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Scheduled Trials etc are NOT Hindus but "Hindu Law" applies to them UNTIL they opt out by embracing the secular laws. 4) A Christian is not a Hindu  (Rahul Gandhi go home on your Raul Da Vinci passport) 5) A Muslim is not a Hindu ( Go to Pakistan or any other Muslim country which will accept you) 6) A Jew is not a Hindu (Go to the State of Israel which has been set up for you, but which closed its doors a long time ago to "blacks") 7) A Parsi is a Hindu (as India is now their land also, and they are the sweet sugar in our rasogolla syrup) If you agree with me so far, I can explain further where you are right and where you are wrong. Sarbajit On 4/8/12, RATHINDRA PRASAD LAHIRI <rplahiri@gmail.com> wrote: > Respected all, > It time for deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since > independence., if any and to correct the wrongs immediately without > fail.. > I think the following things are  to be started immediately to correct > whatever have gone wrong: > 1. Indian culture - the classes on Hinduwatta that is Vedanta , > Upanishad, Geeta, Puranic tales and Indian mythologies should be > taught right from the pre-nursery classes. > 2.Religious believes must be based on truths, scientific rationalism > on Vedantic philosophies.  Religions based on Fake and Deceiful > propaganda should be banished. > 3.Noises emanating from any religious place must be banned.Silence > must prevail inside and outside any religious place. > 4. Divisive vote bank politics must be banned and shunned. All Indians > are to be One in spirits. > 5. The entire India must be a technolgy society, based on Science, > technology and  innovations. > 6.India should be developed on the  Model of Venus Project Resource > based Concept. > 7.India should be a knowledge society. > 8. India should be a highly 'ethical society' >

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Dear Mr Sarbajit,

Your comment below reminds me of a country which thought that why should they spend money and effort on the safeguards of their nuclear plants as no one can destroy them. They got blasted through an unexpected Tsunami. Other well to do countries quickly modified their plans to handle their own nuclear plants. Suddenly costs lost all concerns and the safety and security of their people became the prime concern.

Jai Hind.

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

---

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
and Brahmos missile systems)

Sarbajit

On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > G. C. Mathur

[HumJanenge] Ex CIC WH for VP ?

Loaded Entry  

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=ETNEW&BaseHref=ETM/2012/04/10&PageLabel=14&EntityId=Ar01402&ViewMode=HTML

Once they get a sense of a ratrace for a post, the seasoned Congress leader has a knack for floating names in the course. You never know whether these are really meant to win the race or just to sabotage some other aspirants. So, we leave it to you to figure out in which category the Congress camp has floated its latest vice-presidential candidate's name, in the form of Wajahat Habibullah, the serving chairman of the national minorities' commission. As far as the credentials of this polished retired IAS officer from J&K cadre are concerned, they are quite impressive. Hailing from an upper class and political family of UP, Habibullah's mother was a Congress leader close to Indira Gandhi. Having served as a joint secretary in Rajiv Gandhi's PMO, he has been in the good books of 10, Janpath, and has had a string of high-profile post-retirement jobs under the UPA. Now, we would rather wait and watch whether he will ultimately make it to the vice-president's post, but you can tell us who among the Presidential aspirants will lose maximum sleep over this vice-presidential floating!  

[HumJanenge] Re: Antony takes on Defence Corruption

So 2 "good" men between them have ensured that thousands of crores of
rupees will be sent out of the country to buy more and more arms which
are never used (and which probably dont work anyway - like the Barak
and Brahmos missile systems)

Sarbajit

On Apr 10, 8:15 pm, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
> wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
> of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> > From: rplah...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> > Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> > Mathur" gcmbi...@yahoo.com   gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
> > In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> > taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> > Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> > i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> > Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> > 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> > be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> > deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> > in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> > for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> > right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> > complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> > Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> > leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> > foreign governments and firms.
>
> > I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> > bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> > corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> > Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> > creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> > mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> > Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> > G. C. Mathur

Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Rajya Sabha

India post does not give you proof of receipt by PIO,only that it has posted it.

On 9 April 2012 05:12, Trap Rti <rtitrap@gmail.com> wrote:

Please try the CAPIO mode , India Post, who will carry your application free of cost and give you a proof of receipt.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Mr Gupta, Why dont you file your RTI Application through Money Order. Both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha accept Money Orders. This is a tried and tested methods by old hands of RTI Act 2005. Manoj --- On Sat, 4/7/12, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: [HumJanenge] To: "RTI Act 2005 Hum Janenge Forum People's Right to Information" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 8:47 AM I want to know the name and address of the PIO, Rajya Sabha for mailing an RTI. tried to find out from the RS website but was unable, found information there in unsystematic manner. shall be grateful for this favour.

--
Narayan Varma
56B Mittal Tower,
210 Nariman Point
Mumbai 400 021
RTI PCGT helpline 09322882288           
 my cell   09821096052

Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Mahatma Gandhi's book "FromYervada Mandir"/ "Mangal prabhat in Hindi/Marathi" & 

Swami Vivekananda's book "Education" compiled by Avinasilingam in jail (a spiritual aspirant and freedom fighter),

If read properly, can significantly save the masses from considering illusions as truth &  from indulging in politically motivated violence(irreligion) in the name of religion & from making the same mistakes again and again.

---

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Well said.
    KN

From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath
Retd.
: Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahbad ),
Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahbad )
Address
:
`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
Phone(s)
Res. :
Mob. :
+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459
+91-9415010746

-----Original Message-----
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:50 AM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep
introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Dear Mr. Lahiri

Some of your points are eminently sensible.
Let me explain the legal position first.

1) India is still a religious nation on its way to becoming secular
(we are yet to have a Unified Civil Code for instance as desired by
our founding fathers).

2)  India = Hindu, and Hindu = Indian.

3) A Hindu is defined in law to mean every Indian who in NOT Muslim,
Christian, Parsi, Jew etc. In addition, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists,
Scheduled Trials etc are NOT Hindus but "Hindu Law" applies to them
UNTIL they opt out by embracing the secular laws.

4) A Christian is not a Hindu  (Rahul Gandhi go home on your Raul Da
Vinci passport)

5) A Muslim is not a Hindu ( Go to Pakistan or any other Muslim
country which will accept you)

6) A Jew is not a Hindu (Go to the State of Israel which has been set
up for you, but which closed its doors a long time ago to "blacks")

7) A Parsi is a Hindu (as India is now their land also, and they are
the sweet sugar in our rasogolla syrup)

If you agree with me so far, I can explain further where you are right
and where you are wrong.

Sarbajit

On 4/8/12, RATHINDRA PRASAD LAHIRI <rplahiri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected all,
> It time for deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since
> independence., if any and to correct the wrongs immediately without
> fail..
> I think the following things are  to be started immediately to correct
> whatever have gone wrong:
> 1. Indian culture - the classes on Hinduwatta that is Vedanta ,
> Upanishad, Geeta, Puranic tales and Indian mythologies should be
> taught right from the pre-nursery classes.
> 2.Religious believes must be based on truths, scientific rationalism
> on Vedantic philosophies.  Religions based on Fake and Deceiful
> propaganda should be banished.
> 3.Noises emanating from any religious place must be banned.Silence
> must prevail inside and outside any religious place.
> 4. Divisive vote bank politics must be banned and shunned. All Indians
> are to be One in spirits.
> 5. The entire India must be a technolgy society, based on Science,
> technology and  innovations.
> 6.India should be developed on the  Model of Venus Project Resource
> based Concept.
> 7.India should be a knowledge society.
> 8. India should be a highly 'ethical society'
>

RE: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption

Antony says he would cover the shortages in defence preparedness by next year. This statement came after Gen. Singh
wrote to the P.M. on this issue. God save this country. At least after fighting even up to the Supreme Court about his date
of birth near his retirement; he could think of the country's preparedness and security.     

> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:26:07 +0530
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Antony takes on Defence Corruption
> From: rplahiri@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> Against Corruption - Antony takes on arms lobby. Posted by: "G. C.
> Mathur" gcmbinty@yahoo.com gcmbinty Sat Apr 7, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
>
>
>
> In TOI today (07.4.2012) the news titled "Antony in crossairs for
> taking on arms lobby?" is inspiring.Last month only, it is reported,
> Antony banned 6 top armament companies, including 4 foreign firms
> i.e., Israeli Military Industries, Singapore Technologies Kinetics,
> Rheinmetall Air Defence(Zurich) and Corporation Defence (Russia), for
> 10 years and has persistently been saying that defence purchases must
> be taint free with warnings that he would not hesitate to cancel the
> deals.This is despite warning to Antony for backlash.He is not naive
> in the politics, nor he, the known honest, was not appointed initially
> for face saving by the leadership as he has only been waiting for the
> right time. He was appointed in the background of volumes of
> complaints of corruption in the defence establishment.
>
> Nation does look at Team Anna for support to Antony, if not his
> leaders, for his fight against the established lobby, middlemen,
> foreign governments and firms.
>
> I dare say that no law can checkmate the these in the defence supply
> bazaar. The Opposition has to prove its intentions of fighting
> corruption by supporting A. K. Antony and his ilks in the Congress
> Party. Otherwise, citizens of India will take it that the entire
> creation of the situation including false reports on the movement of
> mechanized infantry from Hisar and a section of the Agra-based 50 Para
> Brigade towards Delhi on the 15th January 2012 is to mislead them.
>
> G. C. Mathur

Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Hon. Sir Kamleshwarnathji,

                       How to file A complaint against Retired Judge of High Court and also City Civil Court Judge who completely violated the Laws of Land, Civil Procedure Code and also Natural Justice in the name of corruption.

      This is a serious issue of law of the Land. 

Any body can give reply , if some one knows the process. This issue of denial of Natural Justice  , ignoring the provisions of Laws of the Land , human rights , Civil Procedure code out right!!!!!!!!!!

Shah D J
USA

---

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Well said.
    KN

From the Desk of :

Justice Kamleshwar Nath
Retd.
: Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ), Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahbad ),
Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahbad )
Address
:
`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
Phone(s)
Res. :
Mob. :
+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459
+91-9415010746

-----Original Message-----
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:50 AM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] It time for make correction through deep
introspection what has been wrong to our nation since independence., if any.

Dear Mr. Lahiri

Some of your points are eminently sensible.
Let me explain the legal position first.

1) India is still a religious nation on its way to becoming secular
(we are yet to have a Unified Civil Code for instance as desired by
our founding fathers).

2)  India = Hindu, and Hindu = Indian.

3) A Hindu is defined in law to mean every Indian who in NOT Muslim,
Christian, Parsi, Jew etc. In addition, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists,
Scheduled Trials etc are NOT Hindus but "Hindu Law" applies to them
UNTIL they opt out by embracing the secular laws.

4) A Christian is not a Hindu  (Rahul Gandhi go home on your Raul Da
Vinci passport)

5) A Muslim is not a Hindu ( Go to Pakistan or any other Muslim
country which will accept you)

6) A Jew is not a Hindu (Go to the State of Israel which has been set
up for you, but which closed its doors a long time ago to "blacks")

7) A Parsi is a Hindu (as India is now their land also, and they are
the sweet sugar in our rasogolla syrup)

If you agree with me so far, I can explain further where you are right
and where you are wrong.

Sarbajit

On 4/8/12, RATHINDRA PRASAD LAHIRI <rplahiri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected all,
> It time for deep introspection what has been wrong to our nation since
> independence., if any and to correct the wrongs immediately without
> fail..
> I think the following things are  to be started immediately to correct
> whatever have gone wrong:
> 1. Indian culture - the classes on Hinduwatta that is Vedanta ,
> Upanishad, Geeta, Puranic tales and Indian mythologies should be
> taught right from the pre-nursery classes.
> 2.Religious believes must be based on truths, scientific rationalism
> on Vedantic philosophies.  Religions based on Fake and Deceiful
> propaganda should be banished.
> 3.Noises emanating from any religious place must be banned.Silence
> must prevail inside and outside any religious place.
> 4. Divisive vote bank politics must be banned and shunned. All Indians
> are to be One in spirits.
> 5. The entire India must be a technolgy society, based on Science,
> technology and  innovations.
> 6.India should be developed on the  Model of Venus Project Resource
> based Concept.
> 7.India should be a knowledge society.
> 8. India should be a highly 'ethical society'
>