Dear Sir,
Your view points suggest that you are the only honest person on this planet.
Please stop all this. You are trying to gain credence by joining an issue which you are not otherwise entitled to.
Gen VK Singh cannot reply to such irrelevant missives.
Entire political system is rot and you have no problem. Joining non issues will take us no where. All the thugs are watching all of us engaged in in-fighting.
I find that key-board warriors cannot make any impact the way they are doing.
Best wishes and regards.
SR
Regards,
SR
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of
Birth of Shri V K Singh?
(1) The day his correct date of birth is disclosed, people at large is
likely to lose respect, if any, for him is my personal assessment. (2)
I interacted with him over email. He replied to me once. (3)
Thereafter stopped. Not replied to my pointed query on the birth
records. (4) I can forward those emails to those who wish to read. (5)
I dare him make categorical public statement about his correct date of
birth. (PS :I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST HIM. WHAT ALL I WANT IS
FACT.BE DISCLOSED).
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Re: [IAC#RG] : Time for the ACTION to start
it is goondaism in the whole system of india
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> (1) Please commence with cleansing the most crucial Constitutional Body. Supreme Court of India - Above the Almighty - for Common Man. (2) Its Goondaism must be curbed, if need be, by moving even International Court of Justice or UN.
> (3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
>>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>>
>>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the
>>issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
>>
>>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues
>>of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper
>>problems which have to be understood and fought.
>>
>>To recap:
>>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>>systems
>>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>>
>>On the positive side
>>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation
>>together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
>>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>>everywhere in the globe.
>>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world
>>over.
>>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>>
>>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>>
>>Sarbajit
>
>
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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Vaghela B D <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> (1) Please commence with cleansing the most crucial Constitutional Body. Supreme Court of India - Above the Almighty - for Common Man. (2) Its Goondaism must be curbed, if need be, by moving even International Court of Justice or UN.
> (3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
>>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>>
>>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the
>>issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
>>
>>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues
>>of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper
>>problems which have to be understood and fought.
>>
>>To recap:
>>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>>systems
>>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>>
>>On the positive side
>>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation
>>together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
>>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>>everywhere in the globe.
>>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world
>>over.
>>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>>
>>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>>
>>Sarbajit
>
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re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
Dear All
Jai Hind
V all hv been discussing th DOB of Gen VKS fr last many days.But what v will gain?Will it help in minimising or eradicating corruption.Will it reduce th no. of beggers (whose no r increasing day by day due 2 crony capatilism etc )at CP in delhi or at various stations/temples in this country etc.Is it going 2 help our tribals,dalits or anybody who r being looted due 2 policies adopted by all th pillars of th democracy?Is it going 2 help Rupashree,Asso. Prof. Of IGIMS,PATNA,who has been sexually hrassed by th Director of IGIMS?etc...Of course v shd discuss th DOB issue but there r millions of other issues on which debates must b done,some conclusions shd come & action plan shd b finalised.
Regards
Dr Ratnesh chaudhary,patna
M:9708093423
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To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>,<wide.aware@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:52:37 AM GMT+0000
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
It just like another Breaking News . We already have too many. News channels. As far as the corruption and other measures to correct political errors we need to dig deep
-». Why Shri V.K.Singh started fighting for DOB correction at the time of retirement ? why not at the beginning of his service ?
-».why he opened all Issues at the time of retirement ?
-».-».-». To draw sudden media attention I believe for long term goals of his retirement !!
People has to be aware !
Do not flow with such issues that. Do not have any impact on country !
If somebody really wants to. Fight come and join hand important and basic issues of our country don't become a breaking news feeder and those issues are for woman safety, Malnutrition , price rise
, Food safety etc
It will not give u huge media attention but it will help common man!!
If you want to put RTI . Pls. Ask government how and where they spend tribal's fund. Where they spend education and health fund. Why still so many death happens because of non availability of health services and soooo on !
Else exclude my email from your list !!!!!!
Thanks
Nirmal
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Jai Hind
V all hv been discussing th DOB of Gen VKS fr last many days.But what v will gain?Will it help in minimising or eradicating corruption.Will it reduce th no. of beggers (whose no r increasing day by day due 2 crony capatilism etc )at CP in delhi or at various stations/temples in this country etc.Is it going 2 help our tribals,dalits or anybody who r being looted due 2 policies adopted by all th pillars of th democracy?Is it going 2 help Rupashree,Asso. Prof. Of IGIMS,PATNA,who has been sexually hrassed by th Director of IGIMS?etc...Of course v shd discuss th DOB issue but there r millions of other issues on which debates must b done,some conclusions shd come & action plan shd b finalised.
Regards
Dr Ratnesh chaudhary,patna
M:9708093423
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------Original message------
From: Nirmal Singh <nirmalsinghp@gmail.com>
To: <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>,<wide.aware@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:52:37 AM GMT+0000
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
It just like another Breaking News . We already have too many. News channels. As far as the corruption and other measures to correct political errors we need to dig deep
-». Why Shri V.K.Singh started fighting for DOB correction at the time of retirement ? why not at the beginning of his service ?
-».why he opened all Issues at the time of retirement ?
-».-».-». To draw sudden media attention I believe for long term goals of his retirement !!
People has to be aware !
Do not flow with such issues that. Do not have any impact on country !
If somebody really wants to. Fight come and join hand important and basic issues of our country don't become a breaking news feeder and those issues are for woman safety, Malnutrition , price rise
, Food safety etc
It will not give u huge media attention but it will help common man!!
If you want to put RTI . Pls. Ask government how and where they spend tribal's fund. Where they spend education and health fund. Why still so many death happens because of non availability of health services and soooo on !
Else exclude my email from your list !!!!!!
Thanks
Nirmal
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RE: [IAC#RG] : Time for the ACTION to start
IAC is doing great job. Yes we should tackle the evil of corruption from all
angles . Of late I have noticed much better behavior from the beat police
men in Chennai who are giving receipts to fines for traffic offences like
jumping the signlas and wrong parking and so on . That is because of the CM
taking note of small time corruption and becoming strict with her ministers
and party cadres including the lowest councilors!!
IAC should start a campaign to root out the brokers and middle men in the
registrar's offices all over India where lot of money goes to increase the
black money. I asked in a friendly manner a Sub Registrar as to how he was
able to manage to earn and keep thousands of RS every day which he received
under the table !! I was surprised to learn from him that there existed a
system of distributing all such money to the top echelons of BABUs and
parties !!
Same is the case with our Police . Some Police stations receive lakhs as
Mamul regularly . Like in Old delhi and Pondy Bazzar in Chennai !!
We should try and evolve a method of stopping handling of cash in any of
these places . It is now possible as we have IT and electronics to help us .
If Govt. can think of Cash transfer of subsidies using AAdhar and banks ,
well it should be possible ban cash from RTO and Sub Registrar's offices .
This can be extended to all other activities like village offices and issue
of various certificates by the local govt. staff . Do try and explore this
idea .
-----Original Message-----
From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
[mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Vaghela B D
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re:[IAC#RG] : Time for the ACTION to start
(1) Please commence with cleansing the most crucial Constitutional Body.
Supreme Court of India - Above the Almighty - for Common Man. (2) Its
Goondaism must be curbed, if need be, by moving even International Court of
Justice or UN.
(3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
------------------------------
On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>
>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand
>the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's
renewal.
>
>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic
>issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of
>much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.
>
>To recap:
>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>systems
>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>
>On the positive side
>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the
>nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the
world..
>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>everywhere in the globe.
>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the
>world over.
>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>
>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>
>Sarbajit
angles . Of late I have noticed much better behavior from the beat police
men in Chennai who are giving receipts to fines for traffic offences like
jumping the signlas and wrong parking and so on . That is because of the CM
taking note of small time corruption and becoming strict with her ministers
and party cadres including the lowest councilors!!
IAC should start a campaign to root out the brokers and middle men in the
registrar's offices all over India where lot of money goes to increase the
black money. I asked in a friendly manner a Sub Registrar as to how he was
able to manage to earn and keep thousands of RS every day which he received
under the table !! I was surprised to learn from him that there existed a
system of distributing all such money to the top echelons of BABUs and
parties !!
Same is the case with our Police . Some Police stations receive lakhs as
Mamul regularly . Like in Old delhi and Pondy Bazzar in Chennai !!
We should try and evolve a method of stopping handling of cash in any of
these places . It is now possible as we have IT and electronics to help us .
If Govt. can think of Cash transfer of subsidies using AAdhar and banks ,
well it should be possible ban cash from RTO and Sub Registrar's offices .
This can be extended to all other activities like village offices and issue
of various certificates by the local govt. staff . Do try and explore this
idea .
-----Original Message-----
From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net
[mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Vaghela B D
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:15 AM
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re:[IAC#RG] : Time for the ACTION to start
(1) Please commence with cleansing the most crucial Constitutional Body.
Supreme Court of India - Above the Almighty - for Common Man. (2) Its
Goondaism must be curbed, if need be, by moving even International Court of
Justice or UN.
(3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
------------------------------
On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>
>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand
>the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's
renewal.
>
>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic
>issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of
>much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.
>
>To recap:
>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>systems
>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>
>On the positive side
>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the
>nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the
world..
>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>everywhere in the globe.
>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the
>world over.
>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>
>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>
>Sarbajit
Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
Dear Sir,
Kindly let me know that whether we can file online RTI in the state of J & K and if not what are the procedures to file an RTI.
Thanks
Varun
On Feb 28, 2013 7:16 PM, "Babubhai Vaghela" <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,--
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur,Ahmedabad - 380051 M - 94276 08632
http://twitter.com/BabubhaiVaghela
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Re:[IAC#RG] : Time for the ACTION to start
(1) Please commence with cleansing the most crucial Constitutional Body. Supreme Court of India - Above the Almighty - for Common Man. (2) Its Goondaism must be curbed, if need be, by moving even International Court of Justice or UN.
(3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
------------------------------
On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>
>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the
>issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
>
>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues
>of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper
>problems which have to be understood and fought.
>
>To recap:
>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>systems
>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>
>On the positive side
>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation
>together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>everywhere in the globe.
>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world
>over.
>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>
>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>
>Sarbajit
(3) Let us show what 'We the People' can do for Mankind.
------------------------------
On Sun 3 Mar, 2013 6:43 AM IST Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
>
>It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the
>issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
>
>By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues
>of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper
>problems which have to be understood and fought.
>
>To recap:
>*1)* Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
>*2)* Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
>*3)* Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
>*4)* Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
>*5)* Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
>*6)* Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery
>systems
>*7)* Rampant corruption in the judiciary
>*8)* Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
>*9)* Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
>*10)* Deeply corrupt media.
>
>On the positive side
>*1)* India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation
>together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
>*2)* India has some of the best laws on the world.
>*3)* India has a common language (English) which is understood almost
>everywhere in the globe.
>*4)* India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
>*5)* India has a functioning bureaucracy.
>*6)* India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
>*7)* Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world
>over.
>*8)* India has Bharat to back it up.
>*9)* India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
>*10)* India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
>
>All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing
>India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
>
>Sarbajit
[IAC#RG] Time for the ACTION to start
The new IAC management had taken over on 18.Oct.2012.
It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.
To recap:
1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.
On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
Sarbajit
It has taken us about 4 months to set our house in order, understand the issues and aggregate sets of people who seem interested in India's renewal.
By now, it is pretty clear that almost everyone agrees on the basic issues of what ails India and that "corruption" is only a symptom of much deeper problems which have to be understood and fought.
To recap:
1) Absence of Democracy (people's direct participation).
2) Lack of proper governance to favour corporates, cronies and scamsters.
3) Criminalisation of society, coupled with breakdown of law and order.
4) Tensions on our borders, with weakened Armed Forces
5) Dynastic family rule and all pervasive Gandhi-ism
6) Complete breakdown of societal values, education & health delivery systems
7) Rampant corruption in the judiciary
8) Inadequate and crumbling infrastructure
9) Systematic grabbing of land and other natural resources
10) Deeply corrupt media.
On the positive side
1) India has a great Parallel ("black") economy which holds the nation together and insulates us from the economic woes of the rest of the world..
2) India has some of the best laws on the world.
3) India has a common language (English) which is understood almost everywhere in the globe.
4) India has great people who have resisted efforts to divide them
5) India has a functioning bureaucracy.
6) India has a young population and lack of social security systems..
7) Indians have a "can do" entrepreneurial spirit recognised the world over.
8) India has Bharat to back it up.
9) India has a plurality of faiths, cultures and value systems.
10) India still has reasonably fair electoral processes.
All these elements are part of IAC's strategy to contribute to renewing India, and which will be shared over the next few weeks.
Sarbajit
[IAC#RG] Indian Justice system Rank 182 among 184 Nations.
Dear All, let us make efforts to change the in vogue scandalous system
of selection, appointment, posting and transfer of High Court Judges
for Common Man to get justice that is denied. Regards,
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of selection, appointment, posting and transfer of High Court Judges
for Common Man to get justice that is denied. Regards,
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
It just like another Breaking News . We already have too many. News channels. As far as the corruption and other measures to correct political errors we need to dig deep
-». Why Shri V.K.Singh started fighting for DOB correction at the time of retirement ? why not at the beginning of his service ?
-».why he opened all Issues at the time of retirement ?
-».-».-». To draw sudden media attention I believe for long term goals of his retirement !!
People has to be aware !
Do not flow with such issues that. Do not have any impact on country !
If somebody really wants to. Fight come and join hand important and basic issues of our country don't become a breaking news feeder and those issues are for woman safety, Malnutrition , price rise
, Food safety etc
It will not give u huge media attention but it will help common man!!
If you want to put RTI . Pls. Ask government how and where they spend tribal's fund. Where they spend education and health fund. Why still so many death happens because of non availability of health services and soooo on !
Else exclude my email from your list !!!!!!
Thanks
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-». Why Shri V.K.Singh started fighting for DOB correction at the time of retirement ? why not at the beginning of his service ?
-».why he opened all Issues at the time of retirement ?
-».-».-». To draw sudden media attention I believe for long term goals of his retirement !!
People has to be aware !
Do not flow with such issues that. Do not have any impact on country !
If somebody really wants to. Fight come and join hand important and basic issues of our country don't become a breaking news feeder and those issues are for woman safety, Malnutrition , price rise
, Food safety etc
It will not give u huge media attention but it will help common man!!
If you want to put RTI . Pls. Ask government how and where they spend tribal's fund. Where they spend education and health fund. Why still so many death happens because of non availability of health services and soooo on !
Else exclude my email from your list !!!!!!
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
(1) The day his correct date of birth is disclosed, people at large is
likely to lose respect, if any, for him is my personal assessment. (2)
I interacted with him over email. He replied to me once. (3)
Thereafter stopped. Not replied to my pointed query on the birth
records. (4) I can forward those emails to those who wish to read. (5)
I dare him make categorical public statement about his correct date of
birth. (PS :I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST HIM. WHAT ALL I WANT IS
FACT.BE DISCLOSED).
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M - 94276 08632
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likely to lose respect, if any, for him is my personal assessment. (2)
I interacted with him over email. He replied to me once. (3)
Thereafter stopped. Not replied to my pointed query on the birth
records. (4) I can forward those emails to those who wish to read. (5)
I dare him make categorical public statement about his correct date of
birth. (PS :I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST HIM. WHAT ALL I WANT IS
FACT.BE DISCLOSED).
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M - 94276 08632
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[IAC#RG] Fwd: RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
Dear IAC mates,
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From: Raj Kadyan
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Subject: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Best regards,
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AWHO COLONY, SIKH ROAD,
GAUTAM ENCLAVE,
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Res-040-27840415
Cell-9912594602
Greetings.
Please allow me to briefly state:
1)We Serving Warriors and ESM are disgusted with the irrational/negative attitude of Bureaucrats and Bad politicians of GOI in particular and all political parties(BJP,CPI of all beliefs,Regional partiesviz DMK,TDP, Trinamooll etc ) in general.The reason is purely the Bad politician ,Bad
Babus,and Criminals of society who constitute hardly 01to 05 % of our Nation.Their only objective is plunder and loot of people and nation.
2)WE Serving Warriors and ESM want to live in the present.We want benefits to ESM(Soldiers,Sailors, Airmen, Veernaris)NOW.
3) We request all Indians to take steps to respect their Warrior community by understanding the Warrior ethos ,who take when they join the Warrior community,a oath to protect the motherland from external and now internal foes.
Because of this ethos all nations world wide are respectful and grateful to their Warriors and Veterans.Also the community gives them the privilege of taking their ,"RANK" to GRAVE and Beyond ,the privilege extended Only to Physicians(DOCTORS of Medicine).
4)We Warriors and ESM prefer to pursue issues of common good like welfare of our men and veernaris firstly and then our Officer cadre issues.
In view of the above we veterans would not like to lose focus on egoistic OR personalized issues .We would prefer to concentrate on issues which make an impact presently and as present becomes past and hence affects future of Serving or Veteran Warrior community starting from our men and veer aria. We plead all patriots to help us strive towards that objective.
Views are my own and am sure echoed by most Veterans.
LtCol retd TTKishore,Engineers
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From: Raj Kadyan
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Subject: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
I agree
On 1 March 2013 07:25, Mohinder Singh Mann <colmsmann@gmail.com> wrote:
-- He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:Dear All,In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,--
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
I disagree that this is digging old graves. In fact, it is this tendency to not make waves and let things pass that allows corruption to thrive. The heads of Armed Forces, Executive and Judiciary are no small matter. It is our failing to hold things up to scrutiny and insisting on transparent decision making on matters of interest to the country that allows corruption to continue - indeed continue in a planned manner "if caught, weather it for a few days, it will pass".
Today, there was news that Lt. Col. Purohit continues to receive his salary in jail. Ajit Pawar is back in action in new and improved role after casually shrugging off his responsibility for the state of irrigation in Maharashtra. All these are also now old graves.
I think if one's best reason for not asking too many questions and rocking boats is to let sleeping dogs lie, then anti-corruption may not be the best goal to have.
I think the questions are fair enough and the whole episode stinks of the government pulling off a fast one in a brazen attack on one of the pillars of democracy. Perhaps it is not so, perhaps it is, but this needs to be clear, not left at whatever status quo gets pulled out of a hat of impunity.
Vidyut
Friday, March 1, 2013
Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
This is not digging graves but we have to learn the lesson that the present UPA govt played foul to the extent of being trecherous in Gen V K Sinhg's dob case. So we better be guarded about everything these traitors do!
ravi
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ravi
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Mohinder Singh Mann <colmsmann@gmail.com> wrote:
He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear All,In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,--
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Re: [IAC#RG] URL Allergy
Dear Shri Vaghela
The objective of IAC's list managers is to ensure delivery of IAC emails to the inbox of its members.
You have taken some anti-movement steps to obstruct these objectives. These include
a. Sending 20 emails everyday to the list on your personal and unsuccessful efforts against corruption since 2005. These emails are packed with external links which set off spam and virus filters in every email network our messages transit through.
b. Marking IAC emails as Spam in your various accounts
c. Making public allegations of bias and arbitrariness against IAC's moderators etc.
d. Disregarding polite clarifications repeatedly given to you about IAC's transparent and rational moderation policy
Hence at IAC we are giving you 1 final opportunity to either conform to IAC's way of working, or else to join Team Anna (as we have arranged for you) so that you can exit gracefully from the movement.
Your reply, if any, shall be published.
Ash
The objective of IAC's list managers is to ensure delivery of IAC emails to the inbox of its members.
You have taken some anti-movement steps to obstruct these objectives. These include
a. Sending 20 emails everyday to the list on your personal and unsuccessful efforts against corruption since 2005. These emails are packed with external links which set off spam and virus filters in every email network our messages transit through.
b. Marking IAC emails as Spam in your various accounts
c. Making public allegations of bias and arbitrariness against IAC's moderators etc.
d. Disregarding polite clarifications repeatedly given to you about IAC's transparent and rational moderation policy
Hence at IAC we are giving you 1 final opportunity to either conform to IAC's way of working, or else to join Team Anna (as we have arranged for you) so that you can exit gracefully from the movement.
Your reply, if any, shall be published.
Ash
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, IAC seems to have an allegy, a very strong one at that,
against use of URLs posted to substantiate the view. Regards,
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Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
Change will only come when knowledgeable and empowered individuals enforce their own rights themselves.
Platforms such as India Against Corruption exist for citizens to come together for mutual benefit and enhanced knowledge in their private battles and to understand the vast size and structure of the "crocodile" and its weak points.
The email list facility is being misused by a few persons, IAC is taking steps against them to allow the movement to proceed forward.
Ash
Platforms such as India Against Corruption exist for citizens to come together for mutual benefit and enhanced knowledge in their private battles and to understand the vast size and structure of the "crocodile" and its weak points.
The email list facility is being misused by a few persons, IAC is taking steps against them to allow the movement to proceed forward.
Ash
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Will my dear friends not like to know that:
Complex issues/challenges are not explained through simplistic linear
explanations/solutions;
System's approach is best suited to understanding/addressing complex issues;
No point in acting like blind men defining "elephant",through partial
understanding of the complex issues;
Even though normally we tend to say that "good is not good enough",at
some stage"best becomes enemy of good",in what is also
called"paralysis,by analysis",and hence some thoughtful
initiative(with a modicum of SWOT analysis),is better than abject
passivity,and
In fighting,and that, too, for trivial/irrelevant matters does no good
to our common mission.
So dear friends, let's see how we all could conjointly,apart from
individually,contribute systematically to the cause of "good
governance".
Prevention of corruption(from sysremic/larger to stand-alone/petty,in
prioritised manner),in direct and indirect ways,is one the best ways
of achieving good governance,even as per WB/IMF.
Success int wo third of last two decades of service as
leader/professional/topcop in VIGILANCE and ANTI-CORRUTION arena was
possible,interalia,on account of imbibing the simple principle:Be the
change you want to see.So the cardinal principle for all activists
is,"Those who live in glass houses don't throw(generally) stone on
others".
Its great pleasure seeing some of the best brains pooling their
intellectual might in yhe cause of nation building.
Let the energies not be frittered away in side-tracking the issues.Its
also essential to motivate/inspire people to come out of their comfort
zone and build a critical mass,whose voice simply can't be ignored.
I'm doing so at my level,in a highly scientific manner,and wish each
one did so ,through multiplier effect.
s p mathur
DGP(retd) Chennai 91984128324
On 3/1/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it was obvious that Mr Vijaya Singh was being sardonic.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <
> ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh,
>>
>> So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever
>> atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if
>> our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would
>> have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the
>> British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its
>> email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is
>> in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public
>> dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike,
>> peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of
>> the
>> ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are
>> not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to
>> conclution
>> that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most
>> surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt.
>> you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems
>> of
>> the country. God save our Democracy !!
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> A.S.KALYANAM
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>* wrote:>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET
>> MEANS
>> NOTHING
>> To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:03 PM
>>
>>
>> I suppose slogan shouting and dharnas are the ultimate solution for all
>> problems of the country.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>>
>> *From:* Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> *To:* indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS
>> nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>>> NOTHING
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>
>> WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION ,
>> BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
>>
>> When the Finance Minister allots funds in his budget under various
>> schemes
>> and claims that all these schemes are ultimately for the benefit of the
>> economically
>> deprived section of the society, the common men inevitably view such
>> budget
>> proposals with scepticism and disinterest.
>> The fact is that there is no project of the government today where
>> substantial amount of funds are not syphoned away by the politicians ,
>> government officials at various levels and business men ; all at the cost
>> the aam admi for whom such projects and funds are supposed to be
>> ultimately intended. In India , it has become a hopeless situation ,
>> with the Prime Minister of India not seem to be concerned about the level
>> of corruption and nepotism in his administration. He conveniently keeps
>> his eyes and mouth closed , while the fact is that he has all the
>> powers to enforce probity in public life , if only he has the desire,
>> will
>> and administrative acumen.
>> This budget which the Prime Minister and Finance minister claim as one
>> of
>> thoughtful exercise , is a wasteful document as far as the common man is
>> concerned, who now realises that anything positive can happen in the
>> country only with the eradication of corruption. In such corrupt
>> conditions, the budget is a proposal in vacuum, as the implementing
>> machinery continues to remain dishonest.
>>
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
Dear All
I agree with the Rear Admiral Tanejaji . IAC can prove its relevance to the entire civil society only by exposing a wrong doing without an iota of doubt. One concrete corrective action will yield the benefit which a thousand efforts of propaganda cannot achieve. Gen V.K Singh's case presents an excellent opportunity and challenge for more energetic and active members of IAC. Will they respond?
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From: mahendra pratap taneja <manitaneja@hotmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 7:47 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 7:47 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
By letting the matter remain unresolved, we are only swallowing another injustice. There is not even an iota of doubt that General VK Singh's date of birth is indeed May 51 as clearly brought out and substantiated by him. Perhaps, at a time like this when the country is faced with unprecedented crises of both 'governance' and 'corruption', reopening this can of worms which is squarely and unashamedly of the governments making, tantamounts to shifting the focus from the larger issues.
Doubtless, when there is a saner and unautocratic dispensation in place, a post mortem of this case will lead to 'egg on the face' of the perpetrator (read - conspirators). Unfortunately they have long since stop feeling ashamed.
I normally keep a listening watch on this site - not that I am any the less perturbed with the sad turn (nadir) that our nations polity has taken. In this case, since I have dealt with similar issues, I felt the need to clarify in the hope that it contributes to putting the matter onto the backburner.
RAdm Mahendra Pratap Taneja (retd)
Doubtless, when there is a saner and unautocratic dispensation in place, a post mortem of this case will lead to 'egg on the face' of the perpetrator (read - conspirators). Unfortunately they have long since stop feeling ashamed.
I normally keep a listening watch on this site - not that I am any the less perturbed with the sad turn (nadir) that our nations polity has taken. In this case, since I have dealt with similar issues, I felt the need to clarify in the hope that it contributes to putting the matter onto the backburner.
RAdm Mahendra Pratap Taneja (retd)
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 04:58:12 +0000
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
THERE IS JOKE GOING ON SO PLEASE TAKE THAT WAY:
IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
IN CASE OF FAMOUS RAPE CASE OF DELHI SCHOOL CERTICATE IS CONSIDER AS A PROOF OF BIRTH, BY THE COURT, IN CASE OF ONE OF THE ACCUSSED AND DECLARE HIM MINOR. WHERE AS IN CASE OF ARMY CHIEFS CASE HIS SCHOOL CERTIFICATEs DATE OF BIRTH IS REJECTED AS PROOF.
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:25:27 +0530
From: colmsmann@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI - Do we have the Right to Know Correct Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh?
He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
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He is not Shri V K Singh . He is General V K Singh (Retd ) . Why are we trying to retrieve the dead bodies from the graves ? We are wasting our time as usual being Indians . Don't we have better things to do ?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
In the appointment of the successor to Shri V K Singh as Army Chief, lots of dirty politics was played, with most crucial key players being Defence Minister Mr AK Antony, Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and the then Chief Justice of India Mr Justice SH Kapadia.To me, it was one of the rarest High Level Power Struggles in the Contemporary Indian History.With due respect to Shri V K Singh, retired Chief of Army, We the People have the Right to Know his correct Date of Birth.The very basic documents - medical records of the army hospital where Shri V K Singh was reportedly born - confirm the fact as birth is an unchangeable fact of life and not a matter of interpretation whether by the Chief Justice of India or opined by the retired Judges of the Supreme Courts.Correspondence in the subject matter made at the highest level in the country is as under -Dr Manmohan Singh : President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate is in public domain : We have the Right to Know Army Chief Birth Certificate. Please publish it fast.... https://t.co/mDlIC0EwSecond Reminder to CVC - If Army Chief seeks legal recourse while still in office, the Government could consider sacking him - This is nothing but Goondaism.. https://t.co/lgdxyFVdThird Reminder to CVC - Age row: Govt trying to work out truce with Army Chief - Why Secrecy on Date of Birth & Hospital Records where he was born.. https://t.co/UWUmBsrEPS - MoD GOI denied RTI Info on Date of Birth of Shri V K Singh under Section 8 (1) (j) - https://t.co/93kxzKiw(My recent request to Shri V K Singh to disclose his Birth details not got me response.)Regards,
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Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
Will my dear friends not like to know that:
Complex issues/challenges are not explained through simplistic linear
explanations/solutions;
System's approach is best suited to understanding/addressing complex issues;
No point in acting like blind men defining "elephant",through partial
understanding of the complex issues;
Even though normally we tend to say that "good is not good enough",at
some stage"best becomes enemy of good",in what is also
called"paralysis,by analysis",and hence some thoughtful
initiative(with a modicum of SWOT analysis),is better than abject
passivity,and
In fighting,and that, too, for trivial/irrelevant matters does no good
to our common mission.
So dear friends, let's see how we all could conjointly,apart from
individually,contribute systematically to the cause of "good
governance".
Prevention of corruption(from sysremic/larger to stand-alone/petty,in
prioritised manner),in direct and indirect ways,is one the best ways
of achieving good governance,even as per WB/IMF.
Success int wo third of last two decades of service as
leader/professional/topcop in VIGILANCE and ANTI-CORRUTION arena was
possible,interalia,on account of imbibing the simple principle:Be the
change you want to see.So the cardinal principle for all activists
is,"Those who live in glass houses don't throw(generally) stone on
others".
Its great pleasure seeing some of the best brains pooling their
intellectual might in yhe cause of nation building.
Let the energies not be frittered away in side-tracking the issues.Its
also essential to motivate/inspire people to come out of their comfort
zone and build a critical mass,whose voice simply can't be ignored.
I'm doing so at my level,in a highly scientific manner,and wish each
one did so ,through multiplier effect.
s p mathur
DGP(retd) Chennai 91984128324
On 3/1/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it was obvious that Mr Vijaya Singh was being sardonic.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <
> ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh,
>>
>> So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever
>> atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if
>> our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would
>> have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the
>> British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its
>> email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is
>> in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public
>> dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike,
>> peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of
>> the
>> ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are
>> not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to
>> conclution
>> that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most
>> surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt.
>> you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems
>> of
>> the country. God save our Democracy !!
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> A.S.KALYANAM
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET
>> MEANS
>> NOTHING
>> To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:03 PM
>>
>>
>> I suppose slogan shouting and dharnas are the ultimate solution for all
>> problems of the country.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> *To:* indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS
>> NOTHING
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>
>> WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION ,
>> BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
>>
>> When the Finance Minister allots funds in his budget under various
>> schemes
>> and claims that all these schemes are ultimately for the benefit of the
>> economically
>> deprived section of the society, the common men inevitably view such
>> budget
>> proposals with scepticism and disinterest.
>> The fact is that there is no project of the government today where
>> substantial amount of funds are not syphoned away by the politicians ,
>> government officials at various levels and business men ; all at the cost
>> the aam admi for whom such projects and funds are supposed to be
>> ultimately intended. In India , it has become a hopeless situation ,
>> with the Prime Minister of India not seem to be concerned about the level
>> of corruption and nepotism in his administration. He conveniently keeps
>> his eyes and mouth closed , while the fact is that he has all the
>> powers to enforce probity in public life , if only he has the desire,
>> will
>> and administrative acumen.
>> This budget which the Prime Minister and Finance minister claim as one
>> of
>> thoughtful exercise , is a wasteful document as far as the common man is
>> concerned, who now realises that anything positive can happen in the
>> country only with the eradication of corruption. In such corrupt
>> conditions, the budget is a proposal in vacuum, as the implementing
>> machinery continues to remain dishonest.
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>> Nandini Voice for The Deprived
>> Email:-
>> nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>>
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Complex issues/challenges are not explained through simplistic linear
explanations/solutions;
System's approach is best suited to understanding/addressing complex issues;
No point in acting like blind men defining "elephant",through partial
understanding of the complex issues;
Even though normally we tend to say that "good is not good enough",at
some stage"best becomes enemy of good",in what is also
called"paralysis,by analysis",and hence some thoughtful
initiative(with a modicum of SWOT analysis),is better than abject
passivity,and
In fighting,and that, too, for trivial/irrelevant matters does no good
to our common mission.
So dear friends, let's see how we all could conjointly,apart from
individually,contribute systematically to the cause of "good
governance".
Prevention of corruption(from sysremic/larger to stand-alone/petty,in
prioritised manner),in direct and indirect ways,is one the best ways
of achieving good governance,even as per WB/IMF.
Success int wo third of last two decades of service as
leader/professional/topcop in VIGILANCE and ANTI-CORRUTION arena was
possible,interalia,on account of imbibing the simple principle:Be the
change you want to see.So the cardinal principle for all activists
is,"Those who live in glass houses don't throw(generally) stone on
others".
Its great pleasure seeing some of the best brains pooling their
intellectual might in yhe cause of nation building.
Let the energies not be frittered away in side-tracking the issues.Its
also essential to motivate/inspire people to come out of their comfort
zone and build a critical mass,whose voice simply can't be ignored.
I'm doing so at my level,in a highly scientific manner,and wish each
one did so ,through multiplier effect.
s p mathur
DGP(retd) Chennai 91984128324
On 3/1/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it was obvious that Mr Vijaya Singh was being sardonic.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <
> ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh,
>>
>> So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever
>> atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if
>> our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would
>> have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the
>> British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its
>> email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is
>> in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public
>> dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike,
>> peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of
>> the
>> ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are
>> not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to
>> conclution
>> that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most
>> surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt.
>> you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems
>> of
>> the country. God save our Democracy !!
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> A.S.KALYANAM
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET
>> MEANS
>> NOTHING
>> To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>> Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:03 PM
>>
>>
>> I suppose slogan shouting and dharnas are the ultimate solution for all
>> problems of the country.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>> *To:* indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS
>> NOTHING
>>
>> To
>>
>> India Against Corruption
>>
>>
>> WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION ,
>> BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
>>
>> When the Finance Minister allots funds in his budget under various
>> schemes
>> and claims that all these schemes are ultimately for the benefit of the
>> economically
>> deprived section of the society, the common men inevitably view such
>> budget
>> proposals with scepticism and disinterest.
>> The fact is that there is no project of the government today where
>> substantial amount of funds are not syphoned away by the politicians ,
>> government officials at various levels and business men ; all at the cost
>> the aam admi for whom such projects and funds are supposed to be
>> ultimately intended. In India , it has become a hopeless situation ,
>> with the Prime Minister of India not seem to be concerned about the level
>> of corruption and nepotism in his administration. He conveniently keeps
>> his eyes and mouth closed , while the fact is that he has all the
>> powers to enforce probity in public life , if only he has the desire,
>> will
>> and administrative acumen.
>> This budget which the Prime Minister and Finance minister claim as one
>> of
>> thoughtful exercise , is a wasteful document as far as the common man is
>> concerned, who now realises that anything positive can happen in the
>> country only with the eradication of corruption. In such corrupt
>> conditions, the budget is a proposal in vacuum, as the implementing
>> machinery continues to remain dishonest.
>>
>> N.S.Venkataraman
>> Nandini Voice for The Deprived
>> Email:-
>> nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
>>
>>
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[IAC#RG] URL Allergy
Dear All, IAC seems to have an allegy, a very strong one at that,
against use of URLs posted to substantiate the view. Regards,
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against use of URLs posted to substantiate the view. Regards,
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Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
dear sri kalyanam,
I fully endorse the view expressed by you. But I bring to your kind notice the fate of the protest, Fast,Rally organised last year by Sri Anna Hazare? Peoples from all over world,all walks of life during the said dharana whole-heartily supported,What happened after wards.Due the drama played by these centre leaders the spirit created by the said movement has been cooled down.Unless a sustained,continous efforts to awakening and serious struggle like non co operation movement (just during freedom struggle)
co-ordination between like minded peoples who are also on the forefront to joining them in this great cause.
prabhakar
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it was obvious that Mr Vijaya Singh was being sardonic.
SarbajitOn Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh, So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike, peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of the ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to conclution that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt. you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems of the country. God save our Democracy !!
With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM
--- On Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
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Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:03 PM-----Inline Attachment Follows-----I suppose slogan shouting and dharnas are the ultimate solution for all problems of the country.
Regards,
Vijaya Singh
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Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 8:30 PM
Subject: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
ToIndia Against CorruptionWITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHINGWhen the Finance Minister allots funds in his budget under various schemes and claims that all these schemes are ultimately for the benefit of the economically deprived section of the society, the common men inevitably view such budget proposals with scepticism and disinterest.The fact is that there is no project of the government today where substantial amount of funds are not syphoned away by the politicians , government officials at various levels and business men ; all at the cost the aam admi for whom such projects and funds are supposed to be ultimately intended. In India , it has become a hopeless situation , with the Prime Minister of India not seem to be concerned about the level of corruption and nepotism in his administration. He conveniently keeps his eyes and mouth closed , while the fact is that he has all the powers to enforce probity in public life , if only he has the desire, will and administrative acumen.This budget which the Prime Minister and Finance minister claim as one of thoughtful exercise , is a wasteful document as far as the common man is concerned, who now realises that anything positive can happen in the country only with the eradication of corruption. In such corrupt conditions, the budget is a proposal in vacuum, as the implementing machinery continues to remain dishonest.N.S.VenkataramanNandini Voice for The DeprivedEmail:- nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
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[IAC#RG] PMO Vs IAC
Dear All, I sent 62 Emails to PM during April-June 2008 making
Suggestions & Complaints. As action was not taken, I used RTI to PMO
seeking ATR. The response was 'since emails were on varied subjects,
action could not be taken'. IAC seems to be following similar policy
in curtailing the postings using PMO PIO like logic. Regards,
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Suggestions & Complaints. As action was not taken, I used RTI to PMO
seeking ATR. The response was 'since emails were on varied subjects,
action could not be taken'. IAC seems to be following similar policy
in curtailing the postings using PMO PIO like logic. Regards,
--
(Babubhai Vaghela)
C 202, Shrinandnagar V, Makarba Road Vejalpur, Ahmedabad - 380051
M - 94276 08632
http://twitter.com/BabubhaiVaghela
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Re: [IAC#RG] WITH CORRUPTION RIDDEN ADMINISTRATION , BUDGET MEANS NOTHING
According to me the essence of democracy is tolerance, mutual respect among people having conflicting views and peaceful propagation of ones viewpoint by discussion and debate .Selfriteous coersion and bullying have no place in it.
Regards,
Vijaya Singh
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Regards,
Vijaya Singh
From: kalyanam sundaresan <ask_maadhyama@yahoo.co.in>
To: Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 1:28 PM
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| Dear Mr. Vijaya Singh, So, you want all to be a silent spectator and keep quite whatever atrocities and irregularities happening in the country. Just imagine, if our Freedom Fighters had also kept quite like what you think, what would have happened to the country. We would have been still slaves of the British and continued to be slaves. You like that ? IAC has named its email id as indiaresists@lists.riseup.net. What does it mean ? Answer is in the question itself. There are so many ways to show the Public dissatisfaction to the Govt. policies. In a democracy, fasting, strike, peaceful demonstration, slogan shouting, dharna etc., etc., are some of the ways to show the resentment by the aggrieved public. If resentments are not expressed by some means of protests, the Govt. will come to conclution that whatever they do is right and people are with them. It is most surprising that even after exposure of so many Scams by the present Govt. you are of the opinion that slogan shouting and dharnas are the problems of the country. God save our Democracy !! With Best Regards, A.S.KALYANAM --- On Thu, 28/2/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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