Saturday, May 16, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Sir
The real culprits are the buraucrats who support and succour the politicians.The constitution of india contained a provision to penalise the bureaucrat with a penalty not less than  removal from service for violation of oath to preserve protect and defend constitution and law  and correction of constitutional has already been nodded by Department of justice in consultation with department of personnel and training and notification by Ministry of homes is expected soon,Once this come bureaucrats will fear to toe the advice of politicians .What was dreamt of by hon dr B R Ambedkar in constituent assembly debate is going to come true if his reply to debate is being notified.
ASHRAF P P M Convenor All India Citizens Forum

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Vijoy Ambasta <vijoy.ambasta@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir
 After Salman Khan and Jaylalthaji's and then Shri reddy's case and their acquital it is strange we still trust the judicial systemj, The system is no where litigants' friendly. . Perhaps it is better to remain in jail but do not go to to cumbersome, expensive or the user unfriendly lawyers and the judicial system. The day is not far when Shri Lalooji will be exhonerated of all charges and will be their to rule Bihar again .
 We are approaching towards Banana republic where the value of promises made on the floor of parliament is not fulfilled.
Vijoy Ambasta 

On 11 May 2015 at 20:41, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.


N.S.Venkataraman


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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Dear Sir
 After Salman Khan and Jaylalthaji's and then Shri reddy's case and their acquital it is strange we still trust the judicial systemj, The system is no where litigants' friendly. . Perhaps it is better to remain in jail but do not go to to cumbersome, expensive or the user unfriendly lawyers and the judicial system. The day is not far when Shri Lalooji will be exhonerated of all charges and will be their to rule Bihar again .
 We are approaching towards Banana republic where the value of promises made on the floor of parliament is not fulfilled.
Vijoy Ambasta 

On 11 May 2015 at 20:41, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.


N.S.Venkataraman


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[IAC#RG] Fwd: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Dear all,
I have gone through the discussion and thought a
solution must be provided. kindly supply to all citizens including
judges , M.P., M.L.A.,,the following because of loss of character.....
"" किसी भी नागरिक द्वारा किया भ्रष्टाचार अपने खुद के पिता, भाई,
पुत्र के साथ, या अपने स्वयं के माँ, बहन, बेटी के साथ बलात्कार करने के
बराबर है "

"Any kind of corruption did by any citizen amounts to RAPE with their
Mother, Sister, Daughter, Father, Son, and Brother."
Thanks with regards



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From: Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 05:56:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>


Sorry to say But I think that you are away from reality, seating in
Air conditioned Room enjoying your retirement. You have forgotten the
days of your struggle.Today unaccounted persons are in jail, not
guilty but waiting for their turn to be heard in Courts just to know
why they are in prison for years, what is their guilt.Supreme Court,
Constitution, Big Politician from the large expensive stages shout and
say Every one is equal in the eye of law. But while asking for
justice..where I am from..who you are, the poor guy...its my greatness
that you are alive.Great Chandran ji...Great Indian, Great citizen you
are. One person is asking for justice and instead of supporting him
you are telling who is servant and who is Public, In whose hand is law
and who is fighting for law..Yes I agree that Govt. does not supports
Judicial system financially, but dont forget we want justice and we
will get it.
Ankit KhetanIndia From: P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may
err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a
question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such
situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision
etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court
judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in
judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry
about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.
If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka
High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in
calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is
really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders
in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be sufficient for
the Judge to correct the error.
The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case
was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail
matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a
consequence of which is expeditious disposal of the Appeal which
resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the
party concerned has nothing to do with the case.
A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal
experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of
the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a
lawyer provided by Court or Legal Services Authority who may or may
not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter
,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail
is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of
engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie
is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail
for days, months and at times years.
I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict
was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was
wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective
effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was
an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a political
party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut
off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect
stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted
to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were
correct.Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had
Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption Act amended with
retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State
Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption Act.I
appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal
engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to amend
the Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi and also
the DMK P.Mohana Chandran
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,
If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary is
right . There are many cases pending Judgement in a number of Courts
in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms
Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan
Every one knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics
and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her
opponents]. She has been an actress for a long time and her back
ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by
political means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily
decide the final outcome. Law provides more options till Supreme
Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action
to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should
close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold
articles for estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.
In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is
not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India
and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels
of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.Here
too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice.
Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS.
All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned.
Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it
takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.

raghavan rn


From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

One more case of SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to
every one. He got bail with in a month.
B. VENKAT RAO
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On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:


Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that
there is no one in the governing system who can punish them for all
the wrongs. Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha
clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting
officers and the defence advocates have been playing games with each
other .At least punish out off those who have been proved to be wrong
.
Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

To
India Against Corruption

WHEN
PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY, CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING After
several yearsof trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
the court and jail termawarded. But, he got bail in a few hours from
another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case,
aChief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine.
But,after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and
acquittedeveryone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is
right and which judgeis wrong. While richpoliticians and cinema actors
seem to have the last laugh, there are thousandsof dharidhranarayanas
in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for severalyears without
being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actordriving
his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in
corruptpractices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in
India ?An average common manin India, millions of whom do not have any
political affiliation have alreadylost faith in the politicians in
power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking thatthe judiciary is
ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciarygive
judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the
otherand providing bail and relief to the convicted actor
andpoliticians with great speed and with many judges in India
already having beenaccused of corrupt practices in the past, people
tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.Now, what can acommon man
do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats andjudges?
It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.
N.S.Venkataraman
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Thursday, May 14, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


Sorry to say But I think that you are away from reality, seating in Air conditioned Room enjoying your retirement. You have forgotten the days of your struggle.
Today unaccounted persons are in jail, not guilty but waiting for their turn to be heard in Courts just to know why they are in prison for years, what is their guilt.
Supreme Court, Constitution, Big Politician from the large expensive stages shout and say Every one is equal in the eye of law. But while asking for justice..where I am from..who you are, the poor guy...its my greatness that you are alive.
Great Chandran ji...Great Indian, Great citizen you are. One person is asking for justice and instead of supporting him you are telling who is servant and who is Public, In whose hand is law and who is fighting for law..
Yes I agree that Govt. does not supports Judicial system financially, but dont forget we want justice and we will get it. 

Ankit Khetan
India

From: P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.

If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders  in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be sufficient for the Judge to  correct the error.

The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal  of the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has nothing to do with the case.

A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer provided by Court or  Legal Services Authority who may  or may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail for days, months and  at times years.

I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were correct.
Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption  Act amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to  amend the Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi and also the DMK 
P.Mohana Chandran

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,

If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary  is right . There are many cases  pending Judgement  in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].  She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options  till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.
Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.  


raghavan rn




From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


One more case of SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month. 

B. VENKAT RAO

Sent from my iPhone



On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is  no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.
 Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence  advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off  those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.
While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?
An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

hellow all,
The two agencies who need to gain confidence of the people are the judiciary and the police. Both have lost the trust.
Kasi

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

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On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1@gmail.com> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Sir, judges also decide cases on Give and Take  basis.





On Friday, 15 May 2015 1:08 AM, Girinder Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:


Dear Friends, the most common peoples who loves their country and in those veins the blood having P factor (patriotism) is flowing has been demoralised  before and after independence, our democracy has been a mockery of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judiciary, media even as 4th pillar is also seems corrupts many times some exceptions may be always there in all but it's true that most public is in anguish on corrupt practices which stops the progress & competeness of our beloved nations, no solution?

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On 12-May-2015, at 10:28 pm, jerry rosario <jerrysj1@gmail.com> wrote:

indeed depressing to know that judges
quite easily change the VERDICTS 

how come ?
jerry

On 12 May 2015 at 15:53, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
YES,   IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WHAT YOU OPINED ABOUT JUDICIARY IN INDIA.
   OUR  JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS NOT FUNCTIONING FAIRLY  FOR COMMON MAN, FOR
POOR PEOPLE, AND FOR HONEST PEOPLE.   MOREOVER  A TIE AMONG JUDGES,
SOLICITOR FIRMS, COUNSELS, POLITICIANS, INFLUENTIAL PERSONALITY, NAMED
AND FAMED ACTORS AND ALL SUCH LOBBY WITH THE HELP OF MONEY POWER  IN
WHOSE FAVOUR THE COURT DECIDES   AND 80% OF PEOPLE OF INDIA NEVER GET
JUSTICE IN TIME.      COMMON PEOPLE AND POOR HAS NO MONEY TO PAY
ENORMOUS FEES  TO ADVOCATES TO GET JUSTICE.      EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT
FACE VALUE OF COUNSEL AND NAME OF SOLICITORS' FIRM  COUNTS AND NOT A
MERITS OF THE CASE.      FURTHER  MANY POLITICIAN THOUGH INITIALLY
COME FROM COMMON MAN  SOCIETY BUT AS SOON AS HE OR SHE CHOOSES ANY
POLITICAL PARTY AND START GETTING HOLD IN PARTY BY DOING CORRUPT
PRACTICE TO COLLECT MONEY AND TO PROVIDE HUGE FUND TO THE POLITICAL
PARTY AND ON THAT MERIT ALONE HE SUCCEED TO GET TICKET FOR M.P. AND
M.L.A SEAT AS NOW ALL AWARE OF THIS FACT AND THEN THEY START  MAKING
CORRUPT THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT IN COUNTRY.    HOW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
ANY HELP FROM SUCH SELFISH, RUDELY BEHAVED AND CORRUPT  POLITICIAN
WHO JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR LIFE AT THE COST OF TEX PAYER'S MONEY IN
INDIA.        HOW SUCH ARROGANT POLITICIAN    WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT
OF INDIA  AND BRING ACHHE DIN  FOR PEOPLE OF INDIA?    HOW PEOPLE PUT
TRUST IN SUCH GOVERNMENT THAT SUCH POLITICIANS WILL WORK HARD AND
PROVIDE SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE NATION AND MAKE LIFE OF PEOPLE OF
INDIA HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS?   PEOPLE Of  INDIA LOST INTEREST IN SUCH
SHAMELESS, CORRUPT AND ARROGANT POLITICIANS AND TIRED OF SUCH  INDIAN
DEMOCRACY WHERE NO HOPES LEFT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF THE PEOPLE.  B.J.P.
WORRIED ABOUT BLACK MONEY KEPT IN FOREIGN BANK,   GOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ALL POLITICIANS OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES  WHO HAVE COLLECTED ENORMOUS
BLACK MONEY AND IS IN INDIA ONLY INCLUDING BLACK MONEY COLLECTED BY
B.J.P. PAST AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND PRESENT MINISTERS AND M.P. AND
M.L.A. OF B.J.P ABOUT WHOM MODIJI IS SILENT!   WHAT YOU ALL THINK
ABOUT IT?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns
<nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>                                                                WHEN PEOPLE
> LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
> After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by
> the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from
> another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief
> Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a
> few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone
> involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is
> wrong.
>
> While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there
> are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
> indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of
> democracy in India ?
>
> An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and
> bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience
> keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of
> contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and
> relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with
> many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the
> past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.
>
> Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
> possibilities.
>
>
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

In theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of lower courts. But things are entirely different in practice.
I cite a couple of my own experiences:

1. I filed a consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto, apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist. His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence; that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he contravened
Registration Act; that he contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any of the law points involved and does not utter a single word about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge" ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest @ 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10 lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to the industrialist.

2. In another case in the same court the "judge", one Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local college, ignores all evidence on record and several points of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number / Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice / Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different agreements between the parties and with different dates and terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the evidence placed on record, can the "judge" unilaterally decide differently that too without any reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC judgments on different subjects; can the "judge" overrule the law and the intent to
the parliment; can the "judge" order costs when several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal before the National Commission was the same ....... non-appreciation of evidence on record and several law points raised. At this point as I came down with health problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.

There are many fine judges (I recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt. lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges, babus, netas, of which there are many.

There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police, education, health, ... just everything.

Regards,


--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM

Shri Venkataraman may
kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of
course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a
question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of
such situations,law enables affected party to file
Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to
confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby
make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give
judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about
the comments that may be made by persons like
Shri.Venkataraman.
If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous
calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total
assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more
than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders
 in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be
sufficient for the Judge to  correct the error.
The allegation was that since
Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was prolonged for
more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter
came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal  of
the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the
Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has
nothing to do with the case.
A resourceful /wealthy party may be able
to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come
out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer
provided by Court or  Legal Services Authority who may  or
may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis
advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an
exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer
and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail
for days, months and  at times years.
I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the
Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective
effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off
limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is
spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During
emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect
stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not
be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had
Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption  Act
amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the
Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha
for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course
the best legal brain instead of managing to  amend the
Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi and
also the DMK P.Mohana
Chandran
On Wed, May 13, 2015
at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
wrote:



Dear Sir,
If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not
mean Judiciary  is right . There are many cases  pending
Judgement  in a number of Courts in india, the two recently
came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
Mr Salman Khan
Every one knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case
is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].  She has been an
actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to
be considered that she amassed wealth only by political
means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily
decide the final outcome. Law provides more options  till
Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None
prevented and no one should close this option. Counting
dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for
 estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
odd.
In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be
appreciated that this case is not of national importance.
Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and
even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a
police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to
negligence.Here too, the accused has options to
appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as
he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned.
Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for
others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
things in India.  

raghavan rn


From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ,
CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

One more case of SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
a open book to every one. He got bail with in a
month. 
B. VENKAT RAO
Sent from my iPhone
On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
wrote:

Judiciary in India has
made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is  no
one in the governing system who can punish them for all the
wrongs. Now with the judgement made in favour of
Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been
working . The presenting officers and the defence
 advocates have been playing games with each other .At
least punish out off  those who have been proved to be
wrong .
Same thing happened with the case of Salman
Khan.
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
wrote:
To
India Against Corruption



                                                          
    WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
, CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


After several years
of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the
court and jail term
awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours 
from another judge. After several years of trial in a
corruption case, a
Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and
hefty fine. But,
after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent
and acquitted
everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is
right and which judge
is wrong.

While rich
politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh,
there are thousands
of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser
crime for several
years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as
the cinema actor
driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician
indulging in corrupt
practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy
in India ?

An average common man
in India, millions of whom do not have any political
affiliation have already
lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
has been thinking that
the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
But, when judiciary
give judgements with so much of contradiction between one
judge and the other
and  providing  bail and relief
to the convicted actor and
politicians with  great speed and with
 many judges in India already having been
accused of corrupt practices in the past, people 
tend to develop doubts about judiciary
too.

Now, what can a
common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power,
bureaucrats and
judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the
possibilities.
N.S.Venkataraman



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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Justice is logic oriented in India. Just spend money, hire good lawyer or team of lawyers and simply snatch the justice. Justice is like a product in our country. Just spend money and purchase good quality justice. After appointment of Ex Chief Justice P Sathasivam as Kerala governor, the most of Indian judges eye on the post retirement plan (posting). Naturally, their verdict will not be fair or out of "without fear or with favour." If anyone has any objection on these word, please just go to any Indian lower court. You will certainly say, you can get every things in the courts but you can not get justice.

On 14 May 2015 at 12:29, Anil Jain <anil.jain@gmail.com> wrote:
This is the problem in India.. Every government agency is deteriorated to its worst level. There is no fear of law as Judiciary has become a part of Corruption. You are strong if you have strong political connection and rest of the people are left to debate who is right and who is wrong  - just for mental satisfaction and to prove that they have philosophical brain..
I am proud of my country but shameful to so called DESH DROHI who are killing values day by day,,,They are driving this country to undefined terrorism..

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,

If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary  is right . There are many cases  pending Judgement  in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].  She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options  till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.
Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.  


raghavan rn




From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


One more case of SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month. 

B. VENKAT RAO

Sent from my iPhone

On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is  no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.
 Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence  advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off  those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.


N.S.Venkataraman


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Hari Govind Vishwakarma

Re: [IAC#RG] Improper actions of AAP Govt.in Delhi

Dear Sir, A welcome step! my good wishes & full cooperation to all members for this venture! Girendra Singh, New Delhi



On Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear IAC subscribers

I am pleased to inform IAC community that after the continual evasions
of AAP's Delhi Govt. Secretariat, including Chief Secretary, the
office of Hon'ble L-G of Delhi has taken cognisance of our complaints
that "WiFi in Delhi" scheme is being carried in a non-transparent,
corrupt and fraudulent matter by a so-called Delhi Dialogue Commission
and with manipulation of transfers of certain officers.

IAC is well cognisant that the term "Delhi Dialogue" was coined and
used during the IAC andolan of 2011-2012, and indisputably precedes
the 2010 phase of IAC andolan,since from at least January 21-22 2009
!!!. As such the term "Delhi Dialogue" is an IPR asset of IAC flowing
from the original Brahmic legacy of Sarojini Naidu,a member of HRA.

We would have had no objection if this term/mark was used strictly for
non-political purposes by anybody in the public interest. However, the
AAP has proceeded/attempted to convert this widely known public mark
into its personal property, strangely to be co-terminus with its
Government, through a dubious GoNCTD notification issued, in name of
the Hon'ble L-G, by an officer who properly should have been sitting
in the UT of Andaman and Nicobar.
It is strange that this so-called AAP "Commission" is not constituted
by any act of legislature to make it a body corporate. Neither is it a
Commission of Inquiry.

Accordingly, IAC has reason to think that the term "commission" as
used by GoNCTD is actually a code word to indicate to vested interests
where to negotiate the bribes to be paid through this irregular body
which is presided over by Shri Arvind Kejriwal.

Accordingly also, in the public interest, IAC had taken formal steps
to register / secure its own interest in the name "Delhi Dialogue
Commission", and as today IAC stands duly registered / licenced with
the Central Government to use the mark "Delhi Dialogue Commission",
and we shall actually be doing so very shortly, and also conveying our
strong protests and objections to the Govt of Delhi asking them to
cease and desist from using our licenced mark, especially for misuse
and annexation of lands and the associated rights in Delhi at the cost
of the poor or deprived peoples like farmers and slum dwellers .

Accordingly also, as an urgent interim measure, the IAC hereby
constitutes a working "Delhi Dialogue Commission" as below with
immediate effect from our list members.

1) Chairperson : Er Sarbajit Roy ;
2) Vice-Chairman : Shri Veeresh Malik ;
3) Member :  Ms. Gita Dewan Verma ;  Expert planner and author "Slumming India"
4) Member :  Mr. Ram  Kumar Atri ; Land rights expert

All positions are honorary and unpaid. No.TA/DA etc. shall be allowed.

Further information shall ensue from this IAC Commission in due
course, including addition / co-opting of members / experts / RWA etc.
to ensure widest possible participation of people of Delhi, especially
slum dwellers, farmers and workers, in having honest and transparent
structured dialogues with the Government of Delhi for their problems /
grievances.

Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption, jan andolan

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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.

If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders  in Tamilnadu, a mere Application  for Review will be sufficient for the Judge to  correct the error.

The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha  is a politician,the case was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal  of the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has nothing to do with the case.

A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer provided by Court or  Legal Services Authority who may  or may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail for days, months and  at times years.

I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a  political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were correct.
Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption  Act amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption  Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to  amend the Prevention of Corruption  Act with the help of Mr Modi and also the DMK 
P.Mohana Chandran

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,

If some one is  Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary  is right . There are many cases  pending Judgement  in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that  Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].  She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means.  Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options  till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for  estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.
Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.  


raghavan rn




From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING


One more case of SATYAM   Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month. 

B. VENKAT RAO

Sent from my iPhone

On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is  no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.
 Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence  advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off  those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption


                                                               WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours  from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and  providing  bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with  great speed and with  many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people  tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.


N.S.Venkataraman


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