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On Sat, 2/7/15, Rakesh Asthana <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2015, 10:28 AM
Totally disagree. I think Kejriwal is an
opportunist who had the PMs chair in his dreams when he
became a "Bhagoda" dishing the Delhi janta in 49
days flat. This man is just a con artist. Glitter
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February 6, 2015 6:37 AM
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[IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded
Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should
never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble
leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten.
That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Saturday, February 7, 2015
Re: [IAC#RG] PAIN OF LISTENING TO ENGLISH NEWS T V MEDIA ANCHORS
Dear Mr Gaur
The confusion if any is at your end . My second mail was directed specifically to India Resists , since I received a response that the views expressed by me had been sent to moderators for vetting. Dr Sarabjit was kind enough to give a fairly detailed clarification which was duly acknowledged and appreciated.by me.
While we, no doubt, have the option to switch channels as suggested by some , the futility of hosting cantankerous and meaningless deliberations have to be conveyed suitably so that the channels get realistic feed back. It will indeed have the desired effect in due course of time.
I agree with the views that ,RSTV and LSTV have improved tremendously and the panellists are selected based on their calibre, good track record and experienc and are more useful than the cacophony generated in the other channels.
Regards
JP Sharma
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
27/1/15Mr. SharmaYou are confusing the two issues-1. discretionary control or veto power of the moderators on circulation of mails on this link i.e. indiaresists. If so Mr. S. Roy has already clarified the policy.2. If this relates to moderators/anchors on TV debates which is under discussion, I wonder if anyone can clarify here. You should either direct it to the channel concerned or lodge it as a complaint with the Broadcasting Corp. of India as advised by the advrt. appearing in the channel broadcast.For TV debates most of us feel they are sub-standard, lack in depth, are loaded in favour of the policy of the owners of the Channels, have their own set of people as participants whom they oblige through payments as participation fee etc.But I ask a simple question- can there is a cheaper or more economical way to run the channels? Gathering news from different sources,locations is much more expensive than holdng a debate in yourown studio. also is it not the reason that you hardly have any news about global happenings as reported in other channels like BBC or CNN o even Alzazira.RegdsJKGaur
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] PAIN OF LISTENING TO ENGLISH NEWS T V MEDIA ANCHORSIn continuation of my mail , just wish to know what discretionary control or veto power , the moderators are ascribing to themselves on circulation / dissemination of mails.JP SharmaOn Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Janardan Sharma <contactjps@gmail.com> wrote:Fully agree that the quality and tenor of the discussions have deteriorated tremendously. Inclusion of the same set of people ,particularly from the political arena,who have no track record of any worthwhile achievements or path breaking vision but are mere spokesman on lease, is sheer wastage of air time.They only fan negativity and display lesser standards of public debate and elocution than in an average level High School . In particular the congress spokesman , bereft of any ideas and and being defensive from the word go , perform in a pathetic manner. Surely there is no dearth of eminent scholars and performers whose every word will educate and inspire us and spread message of hope.One can only hope that Media will do introspection and put in efforts to improve the quality of deliberations and discussions rather than give visibility to unworthy and irelevant people who need to be faded out so that the PM Modi and his Govt' efforts is given due recognition and acknowledgementOn Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Atish Sharma <atish2810@gmail.com> wrote:I fully agree with the observations regarding the news channel debates.Atleast one of the drawbacks mentioned can be set aside immediately by controlling the volumes of the speakers so that only one person only is allowed to be heard clearly while others can be heard with much reduced volume. This option may be controlled by the anchor on the basis of the time allotted to each speaker.It will be upto the speaker if he wishes to utilise the allotted time meaningfully towards the basic issue or waste the time aimlessly towards unwanted shouting.Public is not receptive to high db bickering.-aksOn 23 January 2015 at 12:17, SD Windlesh <sdwindlesh@gmail.com> wrote:I fully agree with you. The purpose of these debate is something else and not the critical examination of the subject matter.The anchor want the reply according to the policy of the channel owners and spread the same among the public to mold their thinking.On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Brigadier Gopal <brigadiergopal@gmail.com> wrote:so well said !!brig h r gopalOn 21 January 2015 at 20:11, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"ToIndia Against Corruption
PAIN OF LISTENING TO ENGLISH NEWS T V MEDIA ANCHORS
Obviously, the anchors in English news TV media who conduct the debates have no in depth knowledge or specialisation in any field. However, they seem to think that they can talk on any subject whether it is economics, politics, science and technology, crime investigation, culture, foreign policy, sports, and what not. It is not an exaggeration to say that their knowledge is half baked , which is there for all to see but these anchors do not seem to know.
They seem to have a set of people who are called to participate in debates and they seem to be available all the time at their beck and call. With many participants , most of whom are directly or indirectly involved in politics and not in any way better than the anchors in their analytical ability, the debate is marked by lung power rather than substance. The anchor often matches the participants in the lung power, showing no mercy for the viewers. Certainly, intelligent people with facts and figures, who want to observe decorum ,cannot have their say in full in these debates, which viewers may be eager to listen.Most of the viewers helplessly watch these debates and keep on changing from one channel to another, wondering whether one channel would be better than the other. This rarely happens.
Fortunately, only a fraction of Indian citizens understand English communication and amongst those who know English, only a small segment have the patience to watch entire debates but the anchors do not care. They seem to whimsically assume that the helpless viewers will watch anything and everything.Of course, the worst of the anchors in English news TV media are Arnab Goswami and Karan Thapar, who want to dominate the debate and assume that they know everything and exhibit streaks of arrogance and impoliteness. They put questions and when the participants respond, they cut them and put more questions and shout so much that no one can hear what the participants say. These anchors do not seem to realise that they are so uncivilised in their behaviour.With Indians putting up with several inconvenience in day today life, the pain of watching English TV debates is one more pain that they have to endure .N.S.VenkataramanNandini Voice For The Deprivedtwitter : @nsvchennai
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Friday, February 6, 2015
RE: [IAC#RG] Court pendency behind India's low global ranking:World Bank
Yes. I endorse the suggestions.
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 18:16:02 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Court pendency behind India's low global ranking:World Bank
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Court pendency behind India's low global ranking:World Bank
Dear Hemant
I would very strongly urge you to do no such thing.
The Indian legal system is designed in such a way that
IF
a) You are complete in your pleadings and
b) You regularly give specific written instructions to your counsel,
THEN --> EVERYTHING IS APPEALABLE to a higher forum..
You also have the liberty to be personally present in court, and
if you feel that your counsel is not conducting your case properly,
you can instruct him to stand down and inform the court that you
DISAGREE with counsel and are discharging him.
If you have faith in your counsel, and the difficult situations they
work in, then always be prepared for at least 2 levels of appeals.
Remember, that your WRITTEN PLEADINGS are stronger than
any video recording you have.
Sarbajit
On 1/30/15, Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me with whom I should seek permission to record a district
> judge courtroom?
>
> I have a case pending so for sake of shaming the judiciary, I would like to
> record and YouTube this video.
>
> Regards
> Hemant Kshirsagar
> On Jan 30, 2015 5:26 PM, "Veeresh Malik" <veereshmalik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://swarajyamag.com/columns/how-neta-babu-nexus-crushes-aspiring-sportsmen/
>>
>> On 27 January 2015 at 11:19, Holiday Bash International <
>> lidder.hbi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
Totally disagree. I think Kejriwal is an opportunist who had the PMs chair in his dreams when he became a "Bhagoda" dishing the Delhi janta in 49 days flat. This man is just a con artist.
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 6:37 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten. That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
direction shown by political leaders like LALOO, MULAYAM, MAYAWATI,MAMTA,JAILALITA, OBASSI is nothing but hunger for power and service to self at the cost of honour of country and spreading hatred amongst indians should be discarded by us then only we will be able to proove that we belong to country where MOHAN DAS KARAM CHAND & SARDAR PATEL were born-Capt.Dr.Govind Goel
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sureshanji,
If you want to see the results of misgovernance. come to Kerala or to any other southern states.All construction and menial jobs are done by people from Bengal and Bihar.Laloo and Bengal Commies have destroyed their states.
Kerala is managing only because of the Gulf inflows.
navnith
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 20:28:09 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in DelhiDelhi is ready to face status quo, as that is maximum going to happen if BJP wins,But it will be disastrous if Delhi is converted into another Kerala or Bengal , where you need to pay for unloading your own goods by yourself not to the government but to the trade unions ( so called poor people).Freebies and lack of industries forced both this states to send their people outside.No industrialist will dare to put their investments fearing all sort problems from the government and general public..Every body can think to go to the eras of 1980s very soon in Delhi ...regardsOn Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:I will think very poorly of majority citizens of Delhi if they would vote for Kejriwal.Delhi can withstand 49 days of anarchy by the government formed by him and his friends and certainly not five years of anarchy.Think of a situation when capital city of India under the control of such a person who has described himself as an anarchist and proved himself as a chaotic ruler in 49 days. The question before us today is not whether Congress or BJP or AAP but it is anybody except AAP. Certainly, citizens of Delhi deserve better.N.S.VenkataramanOn Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten. That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
this is truth of election politics in India that for last 60 years muscle and money has taken over dedication and service- now leaders protect criminals and court does not take note of its impact and politics remains over polluted than polluted GANGA-Capt.Dr.Govind Goel
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Bhasha Singh <bhasha.k@gmail.com> wrote:
Very interesting...
Please stop shameless batting for one of the most corrupt..anti women party...BjpOn Feb 6, 2015 10:46 PM, "neeraj singla" <nsingla@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
The Voters shall decide the fate and you shall not suffer any more.
The only one thing will remain to be seen,whether Delhi will get separate status as
Delhi NCR and will not remain puppet of Central Government?
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Sent: Friday, 6 February 2015 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Whether Arvind or Kiran, one thing is clear, Delhi will not be the same again. We are headed for interesting times
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 06:09:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
I capt.Dr.Govind goel is joined with my wife Dr.Bina goel with your statement, BJP should have educated electoral of Delhi as to what they will do for DELHITE rather than wasting time to blaming arrogant, unethical and selfish and criminal minded ARVIND to whom the DELHITE will give Punitive Reply casting their vote in favour of MODI and BJP
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Vidyut Shah <lawbooks@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well analysed and written. National politics are fought on National Agenda's and Local Politics have to be fought on Local Agenda's.BJP it seems has committed the same mistake which Congress had done during lok sabha elections i.e criticizing Modi in all their election rallies which in turn made Modi a hero overnight. In Delhi Election BJP criticized Arvind in all their election rallies making Arvind a hero.Lets hope DELHI gets a stable government with good leadershipRegards,Vidyut Shah
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
no usefull things have been performed for 6 months.a lesson must be taught by verdict in deihi election to mody
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Bhasha Singh <bhasha.k@gmail.com> wrote:
Very interesting...
Please stop shameless batting for one of the most corrupt..anti women party...BjpOn Feb 6, 2015 10:46 PM, "neeraj singla" <nsingla@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Hi,
2. I also told you that RTI is a very weak tool, and to be careful of
those who encourage you to use it.
3, The system was always corrupt, the problem now is that the system
is BROKEN and cannot deliver to the expectations of the MASSES.
4. The replacement system will be a Western model where everything is
priced and you have "safety nets with gaping holes" to catch those who
fly off or cannot keep up. Initially money will be cheap, credit will
be liberal and then the vice will squeeze you.
5. You say you want to "fight". I say if you had a fully loaded AK-47
today what would you do with it.?
6. I have never advocated pacifism for the sake of pacifism. Quite the
opposite actually
Please find my comments for the your statement belows:-
Dear Hemant
1. Don't be under the illusion that India is a functioning democracy.
It is not !!!
1. Don't be under the illusion that India is a functioning democracy.
It is not !!!
Then what are we living then? in illusion? what people have done before me? Shall we continue living like this only because this is illusion and people earlier has failed to address that?
2. I also told you that RTI is a very weak tool, and to be careful of
those who encourage you to use it.
Sadly people I have meet try to desist me for the same, when I try for something, we have this tool weak, that thing not done then what to do? sit and enjoy because earlier people are loving to keyboard and not working on it? Is there any efforts for atleast getting RTI stronger?
3, The system was always corrupt, the problem now is that the system
is BROKEN and cannot deliver to the expectations of the MASSES.
Who is responsible for this situation? I tell you... you are the people with keyboards to pinpoint some national govt. work which are just came to the power, but none has guts to enact on the information. You will sip tea in your bed and reading the online webpage to comment and say that "system is broken". What answer you have to give to your future generations? "the system is broken" "let the system and politico fuck you as we were having only hosh we wrote on a email list ... we never got off our seats .. and see now it cannot deliver on your expectation.
4. The replacement system will be a Western model where everything is
priced and you have "safety nets with gaping holes" to catch those who
fly off or cannot keep up. Initially money will be cheap, credit will
be liberal and then the vice will squeeze you.
Exactly!! Act now !! before these people sell you air to breath... fight !! dont let your future generations face such issues... If you dont fight your generations will suffer.
5. You say you want to "fight". I say if you had a fully loaded AK-47
today what would you do with it.?
Fight wisely... with that gun/instrument .. I will use it unlike you people typing on keybroads.. atleast it would be worthy for dying for a cause, it would be better then scratching ass/head/mouth saying "System is corrupt"?
6. I have never advocated pacifism for the sake of pacifism. Quite the
opposite actually
Mr. Roy, it is not evident from this mail thread!!
Hemant, you really don't understand the vision of this group, nor do
you need to right now. Just be careful and be well prepared. Read
Sun-Tzu first then read Chanakya then read Sun-Tzu again. And if you
really want to sizzle read Machiavelli after that.
Hemant, you really don't understand the vision of this group, nor do
you need to right now. Just be careful and be well prepared. Read
Sun-Tzu first then read Chanakya then read Sun-Tzu again. And if you
really want to sizzle read Machiavelli after that.
I have read both art of war and chanakya niti, both agreed that "it is will of people of nation" who defines nation and society. The conditions they have mentioned for tackling problem is differently mentioned. But both state that some force is required for change. but people are waiting for the force to happen forgeting that they are the FORCE.
Sarbajit
Sarbajit
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
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but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Hemant
1. Don't be under the illusion that India is a functioning democracy.
It is not !!!
2. I also told you that RTI is a very weak tool, and to be careful of
those who encourage you to use it.
3, The system was always corrupt, the problem now is that the system
is BROKEN and cannot deliver to the expectations of the MASSES.
4. The replacement system will be a Western model where everything is
priced and you have "safety nets with gaping holes" to catch those who
fly off or cannot keep up. Initially money will be cheap, credit will
be liberal and then the vice will squeeze you.
5. You say you want to "fight". I say if you had a fully loaded AK-47
today what would you do with it.?
6. I have never advocated pacifism for the sake of pacifism. Quite the
opposite actually
Hemant, you really don't understand the vision of this group, nor do
you need to right now. Just be careful and be well prepared. Read
Sun-Tzu first then read Chanakya then read Sun-Tzu again. And if you
really want to sizzle read Machiavelli after that.
Sarbajit
On 2/6/15, Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Josh without Hosh is barbaric foolishness.
> Hosh without Josh is useless lethargy.
>
> This ninja word in this context was first used by yourself... about a year
> ago.
>
> I have a major question over here, people on this list maybe excluding a
> few, except cribbing and finding facts what have done? Emailing in comfort
> of their retired houses/homes... I seriously think that the condition of
> current india is because earlier generation 1950-1970, never fought this
> system which was corrupt. Even today for guiding youth like me, people
> speak of pacification rather than motivation for me further.
>
> Question of sanity comes only when group has strategy, strategy comes when
> you have vision.. the current vision of this group is just type... do not
> work for it... which is utterly shameful. I am hardly 28 years old but have
> utilized the knowledge present on this group for filing around 25 RTIs (one
> of the least) and shaming the directors or head honchos of public
> departments including tamil nadu police... Fight these guys .. if you
> cannot fight shame them.. Shaming damages their morale for atleast 0.5% of
> their corrupt ego.
>
> What I said is for people who understand that barking people seldom
> bites... I want all people to bite those who are attaching our country
> internally or externally, but then we bark when we need assistance or
> guidance or help in effective biting those responsible personnel.
>
> This group has taught me many things so I will not say any further but I
> will like this group to be effective atleast 0.00001 % on corrupt
> governance. Atleast I will tell my grand children that I made a difference
> of 0.00001% in their nation.
>
> Apology for any harsh words!!
>
> Regards,
>
> *Hemant Kshirsagar*
> *To acquire knowledge, one must study;*
>
> *but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.- Marilyn vos Savant*
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RE: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Very interesting...
Please stop shameless batting for one of the most corrupt..anti women party...Bjp
On Feb 6, 2015 10:46 PM, "neeraj singla" <nsingla@hotmail.com> wrote:
RE: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
Sureshanji,
If you want to see the results of misgovernance. come to Kerala or to any other southern states.All construction and menial jobs are done by people from Bengal and Bihar.Laloo and Bengal Commies have destroyed their states.
Kerala is managing only because of the Gulf inflows.
navnith
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 20:28:09 +0530
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If you want to see the results of misgovernance. come to Kerala or to any other southern states.All construction and menial jobs are done by people from Bengal and Bihar.Laloo and Bengal Commies have destroyed their states.
Kerala is managing only because of the Gulf inflows.
navnith
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 20:28:09 +0530
From: sureshandelhi@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
Delhi is ready to face status quo, as that is maximum going to happen if BJP wins,
But it will be disastrous if Delhi is converted into another Kerala or Bengal , where you need to pay for unloading your own goods by yourself not to the government but to the trade unions ( so called poor people).
Freebies and lack of industries forced both this states to send their people outside.
No industrialist will dare to put their investments fearing all sort problems from the government and general public..
Every body can think to go to the eras of 1980s very soon in Delhi ...
regards
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
I will think very poorly of majority citizens of Delhi if they would vote for Kejriwal.Delhi can withstand 49 days of anarchy by the government formed by him and his friends and certainly not five years of anarchy.Think of a situation when capital city of India under the control of such a person who has described himself as an anarchist and proved himself as a chaotic ruler in 49 days. The question before us today is not whether Congress or BJP or AAP but it is anybody except AAP. Certainly, citizens of Delhi deserve better.N.S.VenkataramanOn Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten. That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Sirs.
Its my humble submission that we are living in country plagued by many diseases. Its in a state of multiple organ failure. It will take time to rectify the whole system. Mr Modi needs time to do it.
As far kejri is concerned, definitely he will win in Delhi. The reason , people of Delhi will not like modi there they want only people like kejri who can talk and rant loudly. Nothing active. The future is on the anvil for all of us to see. Kejri will not be able to perform and will blame center for even petty issues. ALL THE BEST DELHI.
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Thanks for well orchestrated ad. Blame Modi for any thing that's goes wrong in the world. Why don't u talk about Obesi & Shahi Imam and the like. As per u they r most secular in our country. Let Kejriwal run Delhi for one term and all your doubts will be cleared. I wish Kejriwal wins who is actively being supported by Obesi and Shahi Imam. We only know this form of pseudo secularism. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Dear Hemant
1. Don't be under the illusion that India is a functioning democracy.
It is not !!!
2. I also told you that RTI is a very weak tool, and to be careful of
those who encourage you to use it.
3, The system was always corrupt, the problem now is that the system
is BROKEN and cannot deliver to the expectations of the MASSES.
4. The replacement system will be a Western model where everything is
priced and you have "safety nets with gaping holes" to catch those who
fly off or cannot keep up. Initially money will be cheap, credit will
be liberal and then the vice will squeeze you.
5. You say you want to "fight". I say if you had a fully loaded AK-47
today what would you do with it.?
6. I have never advocated pacifism for the sake of pacifism. Quite the
opposite actually
Hemant, you really don't understand the vision of this group, nor do
you need to right now. Just be careful and be well prepared. Read
Sun-Tzu first then read Chanakya then read Sun-Tzu again. And if you
really want to sizzle read Machiavelli after that.
Sarbajit
On 2/6/15, Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Josh without Hosh is barbaric foolishness.
> Hosh without Josh is useless lethargy.
>
> This ninja word in this context was first used by yourself... about a year
> ago.
>
> I have a major question over here, people on this list maybe excluding a
> few, except cribbing and finding facts what have done? Emailing in comfort
> of their retired houses/homes... I seriously think that the condition of
> current india is because earlier generation 1950-1970, never fought this
> system which was corrupt. Even today for guiding youth like me, people
> speak of pacification rather than motivation for me further.
>
> Question of sanity comes only when group has strategy, strategy comes when
> you have vision.. the current vision of this group is just type... do not
> work for it... which is utterly shameful. I am hardly 28 years old but have
> utilized the knowledge present on this group for filing around 25 RTIs (one
> of the least) and shaming the directors or head honchos of public
> departments including tamil nadu police... Fight these guys .. if you
> cannot fight shame them.. Shaming damages their morale for atleast 0.5% of
> their corrupt ego.
>
> What I said is for people who understand that barking people seldom
> bites... I want all people to bite those who are attaching our country
> internally or externally, but then we bark when we need assistance or
> guidance or help in effective biting those responsible personnel.
>
> This group has taught me many things so I will not say any further but I
> will like this group to be effective atleast 0.00001 % on corrupt
> governance. Atleast I will tell my grand children that I made a difference
> of 0.00001% in their nation.
>
> Apology for any harsh words!!
>
> Regards,
>
> *Hemant Kshirsagar*
> *To acquire knowledge, one must study;*
>
> *but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.- Marilyn vos Savant*
1. Don't be under the illusion that India is a functioning democracy.
It is not !!!
2. I also told you that RTI is a very weak tool, and to be careful of
those who encourage you to use it.
3, The system was always corrupt, the problem now is that the system
is BROKEN and cannot deliver to the expectations of the MASSES.
4. The replacement system will be a Western model where everything is
priced and you have "safety nets with gaping holes" to catch those who
fly off or cannot keep up. Initially money will be cheap, credit will
be liberal and then the vice will squeeze you.
5. You say you want to "fight". I say if you had a fully loaded AK-47
today what would you do with it.?
6. I have never advocated pacifism for the sake of pacifism. Quite the
opposite actually
Hemant, you really don't understand the vision of this group, nor do
you need to right now. Just be careful and be well prepared. Read
Sun-Tzu first then read Chanakya then read Sun-Tzu again. And if you
really want to sizzle read Machiavelli after that.
Sarbajit
On 2/6/15, Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Josh without Hosh is barbaric foolishness.
> Hosh without Josh is useless lethargy.
>
> This ninja word in this context was first used by yourself... about a year
> ago.
>
> I have a major question over here, people on this list maybe excluding a
> few, except cribbing and finding facts what have done? Emailing in comfort
> of their retired houses/homes... I seriously think that the condition of
> current india is because earlier generation 1950-1970, never fought this
> system which was corrupt. Even today for guiding youth like me, people
> speak of pacification rather than motivation for me further.
>
> Question of sanity comes only when group has strategy, strategy comes when
> you have vision.. the current vision of this group is just type... do not
> work for it... which is utterly shameful. I am hardly 28 years old but have
> utilized the knowledge present on this group for filing around 25 RTIs (one
> of the least) and shaming the directors or head honchos of public
> departments including tamil nadu police... Fight these guys .. if you
> cannot fight shame them.. Shaming damages their morale for atleast 0.5% of
> their corrupt ego.
>
> What I said is for people who understand that barking people seldom
> bites... I want all people to bite those who are attaching our country
> internally or externally, but then we bark when we need assistance or
> guidance or help in effective biting those responsible personnel.
>
> This group has taught me many things so I will not say any further but I
> will like this group to be effective atleast 0.00001 % on corrupt
> governance. Atleast I will tell my grand children that I made a difference
> of 0.00001% in their nation.
>
> Apology for any harsh words!!
>
> Regards,
>
> *Hemant Kshirsagar*
> *To acquire knowledge, one must study;*
>
> *but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.- Marilyn vos Savant*
RE: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Whether Arvind or Kiran, one thing is clear, Delhi will not be the same again. We are headed for interesting times
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 06:09:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
I capt.Dr.Govind goel is joined with my wife Dr.Bina goel with your statement, BJP should have educated electoral of Delhi as to what they will do for DELHITE rather than wasting time to blaming arrogant, unethical and selfish and criminal minded ARVIND to whom the DELHITE will give Punitive Reply casting their vote in favour of MODI and BJP
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Vidyut Shah <lawbooks@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well analysed and written. National politics are fought on National Agenda's and Local Politics have to be fought on Local Agenda's.BJP it seems has committed the same mistake which Congress had done during lok sabha elections i.e criticizing Modi in all their election rallies which in turn made Modi a hero overnight. In Delhi Election BJP criticized Arvind in all their election rallies making Arvind a hero.Lets hope DELHI gets a stable government with good leadershipRegards,Vidyut Shah
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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
AAP PARTY BHRUST PARTY HAI.
NO VISION NO AMBITION ONLY TO MAKE PUBLIC FOOLISH.
EK DO KO CHHOD KE SARE IMATURED BHARE HAIN AAP ME.
AAP KO VOTE MEANS BRINGING GUNDA RA
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten. That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi
Kerala has the highest life expectancy in India
| From: SURESHAN P Sent: Friday, 6 February 2015 21:08 To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Reply To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP deserves to lose tomorrow in Delhi |
Delhi is ready to face status quo, as that is maximum going to happen if BJP wins,
But it will be disastrous if Delhi is converted into another Kerala or Bengal , where you need to pay for unloading your own goods by yourself not to the government but to the trade unions ( so called poor people).
Freebies and lack of industries forced both this states to send their people outside.
No industrialist will dare to put their investments fearing all sort problems from the government and general public..
Every body can think to go to the eras of 1980s very soon in Delhi ...
regards
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
I will think very poorly of majority citizens of Delhi if they would vote for Kejriwal.Delhi can withstand 49 days of anarchy by the government formed by him and his friends and certainly not five years of anarchy.Think of a situation when capital city of India under the control of such a person who has described himself as an anarchist and proved himself as a chaotic ruler in 49 days. The question before us today is not whether Congress or BJP or AAP but it is anybody except AAP. Certainly, citizens of Delhi deserve better.N.S.VenkataramanOn Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"http://www.firstpost.com/politics/win-or-lose-modi-and-shah-should-learn-from-their-mistakes-in-delhi-polls-2083355.html
Takeaway:
"A triumphant Kejriwal will be a problem; a wounded Kejriwal will be
as dangerous. Kejriwal is an astute power player. He should never be
underestimated. He is a megalomaniac posing as a humble leader. It
works for him.
A BJP win does not mean all mistakes should be forgotten. That would
be the biggest mistake Modi and Shah can make."
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
Hi,
Josh without Hosh is barbaric foolishness.
Hosh without Josh is useless lethargy.
This ninja word in this context was first used by yourself... about a year ago.
I have a major question over here, people on this list maybe excluding a few, except cribbing and finding facts what have done? Emailing in comfort of their retired houses/homes... I seriously think that the condition of current india is because earlier generation 1950-1970, never fought this system which was corrupt. Even today for guiding youth like me, people speak of pacification rather than motivation for me further.
Question of sanity comes only when group has strategy, strategy comes when you have vision.. the current vision of this group is just type... do not work for it... which is utterly shameful. I am hardly 28 years old but have utilized the knowledge present on this group for filing around 25 RTIs (one of the least) and shaming the directors or head honchos of public departments including tamil nadu police... Fight these guys .. if you cannot fight shame them.. Shaming damages their morale for atleast 0.5% of their corrupt ego.
What I said is for people who understand that barking people seldom bites... I want all people to bite those who are attaching our country internally or externally, but then we bark when we need assistance or guidance or help in effective biting those responsible personnel.
This group has taught me many things so I will not say any further but I will like this group to be effective atleast 0.00001 % on corrupt governance. Atleast I will tell my grand children that I made a difference of 0.00001% in their nation.
Apology for any harsh words!!
Regards,
Hemant Kshirsagar
To acquire knowledge, one must study;
but to acquire wisdom, one must observe.
- Marilyn vos Savant
- Marilyn vos Savant
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Hemant
'Josh' and 'Hosh' are 2 different things.
I did not keep quiet in my youth. I was initiated into 'activism' by
late JP when I was barely a teenager in his final years, not because
of any quality then in me but due to my father. After that a few other
great souls have blessed me. So please learn what I am teaching you.
As an ninja individual "you" cannot "fight the system", and you should
not fight the system.
You can a) take advantage of the system, b)ride the system, c)observe
the system d)record the system ..e)shape the system. .
You cannot do this and "win" if you don't "know" the system and how it
is programmed / designed to work. Especially in the ways it is
designed to repel and expel intruders.
If you still cannot get the system to work, you must SMASH the system
so a better one can come up in its place. It goes without saying that
the Empire will strike back.
Finally 2 points about the purpose of the list
A) We provided a "safe" space for "sane" discussion.
B) We work to "preserve" whatever little sanity and hope there is
still left in the system.
Sarbajit
On 2/6/15, Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please every body why can't we stop our keybroad here and use it against
> the same thing as we are having difficulty in ?
>
> On this mail list I am seeing lately people of older generation who kept
> quiet during their youth and now are pointing masters.. They may not take
> actions.. Though very seldom. As you have time.. Why can't you guys simply
> fight with the system? You will fight in road with any other person but
> never against the system. Prove the system wrong, use your experience
> against the corrupt system for at least benefit of your grand children s.
>
> Anyone above.. Please tell me like a ninja who has all the information how
> about cracking on the government ? Murmuring on this mail list is useless.
>
> Truth always is red and red hurts eyes.. Sorry for harsh words used.
>
> Regards,
> HEMANT
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Re: [IAC#RG] lessons to BJP and Modi from Delhi elections
A very very interesting analysis of Rediff. During Man mohan regime it was Montek singh ahuluwalia who controlled the purse string. Basically it is crony World bank induced capitalism.
All these socalled experts from America of Indian origin arre actually Americans and they serve the land which feeds them well. Jaitley lost the election but is part of Crony Delhi circle.
People watch and they know. The tragedy about Kejriwal is that he is attacking local corruption but AAP is the very creation of those MNCs who want to eliminate Indian independent Nuclear detterence and also who control Indian Apex court through socalled Human rights lawyers.
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On Friday, 6 February 2015 11:10 AM, Satya D <hitaya123@gmail.com> wrote:
--Even if BJP wins the Delhi there are some reminders/lessons to Narendra Modi and BJP leaders that they cannot afford to ignore.Lesson 1: Local corruption:While BJP under leadership of Narendra Modi is addressing macro issues of investments and economy, they cannot afford to ignore the issues such as the oppressive and extortionist local corruption that are daily faced by common man. In this wonderful article rediff details interviews on how petty corruption disappeared overnight during 49 day AAP rule in New Delhi. Whether that would have continued if they ruled further is debatable, but it struck a chord with the common man. A similar sentiment was expressed to me by an executive working in an MNC in Mumbai who was strong supporter of Modi saying AAP will be good for the country because it will force BJP leadership to address local corruption. He said such was disdain to Mumbai police even among middle class, if there is a police person found dying on the street, they would leave him or her to die. Whether getting a licence or ration card or even a death certification for a dead family member, Indians are subject to horrendous extortion and nothing was done, nay even talked about in BJP circles. I remember when Modi won, there was this euphoria that the days of this extortion and oppressive local corruption will be gone, but none of that is even talked about today by BJP.Lesson 2: Connecting with common manNarendra Bhai can take a leaf from the life of Mahatma Gandhi. If Modi wondered why does the feverish pitch for him during central elections is missing today, is it possible he is missing opportunity to associate with common man. Gandhi ji hardly spoke, but he was a powerful figure because he completely associated with common man, wearing simple loin cloth, eating most simple food, living humble life. Symbols matter and in a country where most people are poor it is important not to flaunt any displays. A poor man may not understand all the financial strategies but he quickly picks up the visual vibrations. True, the tragedy is most of the netas in India who plundered the nation to the hilt did so by wearing simple white khadi dress. Even then, Modi should pay attention to wearing flaunting dresses. In spite of the hard work he is putting day and night, in spite of impeccable credibility, the common man associates with visual symbols and they do matter.Lesson 3: The black money - managing expectationsAfter big words that they will get the black money BJP failed miserably in managing the expectations. The fact of the matter is in spite of talking about black money for more than three decades, Ram Jethmalani, who was himself once in power could do very little to get the money back. The secret banks exist for one thing only, protect the secrecy of their depositors and they are not going to bend over backwards to hand over the details to India. We are just living in fools paradise that black money will be back in no time. But then it begs a question, what is stopping BJP in declaring the black money national asset and come up with amnesty scheme to instill confidence in the common man? In one of the interviews Narendra bhai said while he would not go after anyone with vengeance he would not obstruct legal proceedings. If this is correct, why is Dr Swamy case against Sonia continues to drawn out? Many believe Jaitley is the biggest block. To be fair, Narendra Modi is thinking beyond and many of us may not realize his vision. If BJP goes after Gandhi family, with its entrenched 60 year rule and immense resources, they have potential to do enormous damage and immense harm to discredit Modi's efforts for improving country. Modi may want to first focus on building the nation instead of getting distracted with those that can undermine his efforts. As he said why should India be satisfied with just 2 trillion why not target 20 trillion. This is in tune with how Modi handles things brilliantly where he does not spend energy fighting enemies, he simply makes them irrelevant. The problem is either Jaitley is being overzealous in protecting black money holders such as Gandhi family or BJP is doing a very poor job of managing expectations.Lesson 4: The foreign economists obsessionThere seems to be this obsession with foreign educated economists, some who even went against India and that is supposed to show that we do not get carried away with smaller issues and use the best talent. But is the best talent only available from western educated economists only? How about the economists from our own country. Here comes again the Jaitley view. While he is considered a brilliant person, his tendency to rely heavily on the West educated so called intellectuals shows India needs only western educated minds to solve it issues. Jaitley budget is considered no different that the budget of previous administration. There are many sane voices in the country with very constructive ideas whether it is water resource management, debt trap, food security etc., But does Jaitely have patience to get all inputs before finalizing the budget.Lesson 5: The Jaitley factorThere is no doubt Modi and Jaitley are very close. The problem is people voted for Modi but not for Jaitley. Talk to many people in RSS, BJP, they feel that Jaitley has the biggest stamp in administration and is viewed by many as a western educated intellectual who have little touch with real life issues of India. He grew up with wheeling dealings of corrupt Delhi establishment and can serve very important role, but is the importance he is playing in Modi administration in the best interest of the nation? Issues like local corruption is not even on his radar.Lastly, the purpose of the article is not to show support for AAP to capture power. They have potential to play a very pernicious role by playing into hands of dangerous western NGOs, the CIA, the missionaries who are hell bent to break the hold of nationalistic leadership that holds power in India today. But they are rabble rousers who can play an important role in a democracy and they are serving a call for course correction in BJP. It is a gentle reminder of India's great democracy, 'BJP, thy need to introspect'.#evmindia, #satyadRegards,
Satya
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