Saturday, May 4, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

The CEC has already informed the Supreme Court as well as Govt. of India that the Commission is ready with EVM linked to paper-trail so that remote tampering if any could be verified in case of complaints after the poll. This will also ensure anonymity of the voter's choice when he pulls out the paper strips and puts it into the box.
 
The Govt. rules of 2000 specifies that in the use of any electronic machine for public purposes, it should be supported by a paper document what we get as print-outs from Supermarkets and elsewhere. The GOI has not ben following the rule all these years in the matter of EVM-s though the rule is mandatory and Congress esp. preferred the EVM-s (already banned in several Countries abroad) to get their favourite candidates elected by remote control, the EVM-s containg Trojan accepting such signals from outside the storage areas.
 
Now that the CEC Sampath has already informed GOI Nof the readiness of such EVMS with paper-trail that could be verified in case of disputes, it is for the Supreme Court and GOI to expedite manufacture of such machines and use the tamper-proof EVM-s in future.
 
The other methods described by Sarbajit Roy are more complicated and not applicable on a wider scale in all villages in the Country.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Dear Mr Raman

This is a complex issue, and it would be better not to trivialise it. For your benefit I am summarising it in simple language using extreme examples. Even then most people do not get it for many days.

1) Obviously none of us are so naive as to think that overnight India will become a safe place for votes to be cast openly.

2) Luckily for us TECHNOLOGY (cryptographic hashes) will allow this to happen. Every elector can be assigned a PUBLIC key (say a 48 bit A/N string valid for a fixed time (say 3 months)  and he can generate his own PRIVATE key for an votiong proposal using this. By this means every voter can vote anonymously (using his private key for that proposal). By this means the private key for a proposal becomes a valuable tradable commodity for that election, especially if these keys are publicly traded on specialised exchanges. By this means we can eliminate Parliament itself, since voting on Bills and rules can be directly done by the electors whose votes are "traded" (ie. bought and sold) to the extent that even STT is collected.

Safeguards will have to be built in to ensure that proposals cannot be voted in with too few votes, or that Corporates cannot buy voters cheaply to vote themselves huge profits.

To give an example of how it works.

Voter A is passionately convinced in favour of a proposal, say independence for J&K moved by a Mr Geelani. He can transfer his vote to Mr. Geelani Free of Cost FOR THIS PROPOSAL ONLY. If Mr. Geelani gets 10% free (or paid) votes the proposal moves forward. Mr. Geelani will start collecting as many free votes as he can, after that he will have to start buying votes. His opponents, ie. those who want J*K to stay in India will be doing the same at the same time. By these means the voters become important and corporates and foreigners can start doing openly what they are now doing in secret. In other words we want to cut out the middleman (netas) and bring the money directly to the people (who are being shafted in any case). The cost/price/value of a citizen's vote will be public, transparent and quoted in real time.

Sarbajit

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:47 PM, J Raman <events@southasianoutlook.com> wrote:
Friends
 
Solution: Where is the secrecy of the vote?
 
"State will see nothing happens..." What kind of State you are looking at – how can there be a sudden change from a corrupt one to a real good one that will protect. Except for a few ones left (even they are being pressurised) – the whole system is rotten.
An ordinary citizen is not protected  at all.
 
Let's come up with a better solution.
 
J Raman
 
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines
 
Friends

Yesterday IAC conducted a "poll".
Immediately there was a flurry of abuse saying that the results were impossible.

For decades the Congress and BJP have been rigging the elections using their  "black box" EVM voting machines. Then somebody "stole" one of these  machines and what was an open secret ("insecure EVMs") got confirmed.

Previous CECs like Lygdoh and Krishnamurthy were said to be part of this racket and had apparently even opened a Joint Venture to conduct this rigging business after their retirement. Other CECs and ECs were part of the Sai Baba fixing network which controlled BOTH the Congress and the BJP.

Now due to complaints of citizens the ECI has come up with a new device to buy time. The so-called "paper trail" EVMs. This is also a fraud. Don't believe it.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/election-commission-ready-with-new-evm/384187-37-64.html

Let me tell you where the scam lies and why there is 1 and only 1 fix for it.

The SCAM : "Secrecy of the ballot". <-- for decades Indians have been brainwashed with this myth. Attack this and you are abused.

The SOLUTION:  Every vote cast has to be openly published with the name and address of the voter whose identity has been established. It is the responsibility of the State to see that nothing happens for casting one's vote for the opposition. To prevent terrorism and goondaism at least 80% cvotes must be cast for a result to be declared. Only when that is achieved can we say that there is true democracy in India. Until then gooda-ism will flourish.

PS: This applies equally for all votes cast in Parliament.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results

Sarbajit's animosity to Narendra Mody has been obvious in the past and now blaming his continuous massive win due to EVM tampering!!
 
Sarbajit, Are you not aware that the State Govt. has no role to play in the Elections except providing the staff to conduct the same under CEC at Delhi and SEC in the states under strict supervision by CEC's observers?
 
EVM-s are stored and distributed by the Election Commission and State again has no role here.
 
I do agree that EVM-s could be tampered as proved by Hriprasad of Hyderabad at various locations including in U.S. in presence of Electronic experts. The present CEC Sampath was a witness to such demonstration by Hariprasad at Hypoderabad when he was CEC-III under Navin Chawla, who got many Congress leaders elected by EVM tampering- including Chidambaram by recounting three times and bringing in additional EVM-s. The case is still, pending to invalidate Chidambaram's election at Madurai bench of Madras High Court.
 
CEC Sampath has already decalred that CEC is ready with an EVM with papertrail and has been successfully tried out as a tamper proof voting mechanism, as paper trails could be counted in case of disputes. He has asked GOI to make all EVM-s to be connected to paper print-out facility at the earliest.
 
Narendra Mody's massive following everywhere could be seen by the crowds in his meetings. They are not brought in trucks and paid Rs.100 each as is done for meetings of Rahul or Sonia Gandhi anywhere in the Country. Even then, in Karfnataka, Sonia was furious with local Congress leaders, why more than half the chairs were empty when she addressed at Bellary!!

From: shirish dave <smdave1940@yahoo.com>
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
Dear Mr. Roy,
This was only my personal feeling. I receive a lot of your comments which may be through indiaresists. I enjoy it. I like Narendra Modi, and I don't like Nehruvian Congress and its allies, which is mostly based on material, that is OK.

But based on what I have watched comments through facebook and comments on other pages and other lots, I don't find Nitish Kumar and PC (even if we leave aside Mamata) that they are that much popular to comparable to Modi. It may be my limitation but I don't know who is Nandan Nilekani. I think the voting probably is based on some geographical or some selective boundary.

There is a tendency of some group to float one or other framed voting, the result of which mostly depends upon the contacts one has on internet and how many are freely available to opt for voting. There are many times willfully designed voting options to arrive predetermined result and to confuse to those who have least sense of significance. TV channels are actively following this system tactfully.

As to what you said "There is another possibility you should consider -  Mr. Modi has been winning Gujarat because of EVM tampering and his charishma will evaporate if voting is free and fair." is a very lengthy discussion for those who are simply depending upon so called learned media. I have observed in 2002, 2007 and 2012, where simply media had played a significant roll to reduce the Modi's seats. Every time the media has created a havoc against Modi, and avoided to reflect the feeling of people of Gujarat. It is next to impossible to wide spread EVM tempering, when Modi gets land side victory. Modi had tried to introduce possible compulsory voting, but nehruvian congress and its opponents at center did not allow it (through the state governor). It is a normal feeling of common mass of Gujarat that in case of compulsory voting Modi could get much more seats than what he got in last assembly elections.

Thank you for response.
Shirish Dave
 

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
Dear Mr. Dave

I can assure you that those figures were actually entered by somebody.

But you ought it try it out for yourself (and please tell your friends at mediamonitor and issuesonline also and ask them to vote for Mr. Modi).

Step #1
http://iac0005.eu5.org/poll/results.php?pollid=1
Note down a) the total number of votes already entered b) The votes already cast in favour of your candidate

Step #2
http://iac0005.eu5.org/IAC_POLL_0001.html
click on the button next to your candidate and click "submit"

If nobody else (including you) has previously cast a vote from your IP Address, you will see that your candidates vote and also the Total vote has increased by the number of valid votes cast by yourself AND by any other voter in the time between Steps #1 and #2.

You can always use Step #1 to keep checking (as long as the poll is running) that the voting is taking place smoothly (ie. no "disappearing votes").

I really can't explain why Mr. Narendra Modi has such few supporters in our group. Similarly I cannot explain why Ms. Sonia Gandhi is perceived to be so "not honest" either.

In our next poll we'll see if proportional voting will improve the situation. Maybe Mr. Narendra Modi is the 2nd choice for almost everyone on this group. Maybe all his votes switched to Baba Ramdev.

There is another possibility you should consider -  Mr. Modi has been winning Gujarat because of EVM tampering and his charishma will evaporate if voting is free and fair.

Sarbajit

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM, shirish dave <smdave1940@yahoo.com> wrote:
These are all fake figures.
Narendra Modi is well ahead of all. As for Nehruvian Congi leaders PC and others colleague are zero.



The surprising finding is how Chidambaram, the epitome of corruption got 16%. But for his actions/ support as FM and HM none of the major scams would have happened

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Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
Request intimate method used to obtain opinion poll.


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 14:45
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
This only reflects the "reality" of those educated internet connected armchair persons who read IAC's mailing lists and took some time to respond to the poll. We openly say it may be very different from ground realities. But, in my personal opinion it shows a core set of people who may be crucial in India-2014 with their relative personal integrities. For instance the Congress being unable to keep Mamta Banerjee on CBI leash has launched this Ponzi Chit Fund scam to control her, so Mamta will have to dump all these wheeler dealers like K.D. Singh to retain her "honesty" with IAC in future. Insofar as the Poll itself goes, anyone on the internet knowing the link could have voted, and the results were openly available in real time to anybody with an internet connection. As both the links are functional you can still test it out for yourself. (The vote-by-vote record is available to IAC techs). IAC is NOT a representative sample of India Sarbajit
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, moorty yechury <myechury@yahoo.com> wrote:
Let us see how it effects the reality.
Also let us the correctness of this with actuality
YVSR MOORTY

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
POLL for India's most honest person
Sonia Gandhi *
1 (0.61%)
Narendra Modi ********
16 (9.76%)
Mayawati
0 (0%)
Jayalalitha
0 (0%)
Nitish Kumar ***************
29 (17.68%)
Mulayam Singh Yadav ***
5 (3.05%)
Mamata Banerjee ***************************
54 (32.93%)
P Chidambaram *********
18 (10.98%)
Nandan Nilekani *****
9 (5.49%)
Montek Singh Ahluwalia
0 (0%)
Mukesh Ambani
0 (0%)
Arvind Kejriwal ******
12 (7.32%)
Altamas Kabir *
2 (1.22%)
Barkha Dutt *
1 (0.61%)
Others - Baba Ramdev etc. *********
17 (10.37%)
Total votes: 164
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Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results

Dear Mr. Roy,
This was only my personal feeling. I receive a lot of your comments which may be through indiaresists. I enjoy it. I like Narendra Modi, and I don't like Nehruvian Congress and its allies, which is mostly based on material, that is OK.

But based on what I have watched comments through facebook and comments on other pages and other lots, I don't find Nitish Kumar and PC (even if we leave aside Mamata) that they are that much popular to comparable to Modi. It may be my limitation but I don't know who is Nandan Nilekani. I think the voting probably is based on some geographical or some selective boundary.

There is a tendency of some group to float one or other framed voting, the result of which mostly depends upon the contacts one has on internet and how many are freely available to opt for voting. There are many times willfully designed voting options to arrive predetermined result and to confuse to those who have least sense of significance. TV channels are actively following this system tactfully.

As to what you said "There is another possibility you should consider -  Mr. Modi has been winning Gujarat because of EVM tampering and his charishma will evaporate if voting is free and fair." is a very lengthy discussion for those who are simply depending upon so called learned media. I have observed in 2002, 2007 and 2012, where simply media had played a significant roll to reduce the Modi's seats. Every time the media has created a havoc against Modi, and avoided to reflect the feeling of people of Gujarat. It is next to impossible to wide spread EVM tempering, when Modi gets land side victory. Modi had tried to introduce possible compulsory voting, but nehruvian congress and its opponents at center did not allow it (through the state governor). It is a normal feeling of common mass of Gujarat that in case of compulsory voting Modi could get much more seats than what he got in last assembly elections.

Thank you for response.
Shirish Dave
 


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results

Dear Mr. Dave

I can assure you that those figures were actually entered by somebody.

But you ought it try it out for yourself (and please tell your friends at mediamonitor and issuesonline also and ask them to vote for Mr. Modi).

Step #1
http://iac0005.eu5.org/poll/results.php?pollid=1
Note down a) the total number of votes already entered b) The votes already cast in favour of your candidate

Step #2
http://iac0005.eu5.org/IAC_POLL_0001.html
click on the button next to your candidate and click "submit"

If nobody else (including you) has previously cast a vote from your IP Address, you will see that your candidates vote and also the Total vote has increased by the number of valid votes cast by yourself AND by any other voter in the time between Steps #1 and #2.

You can always use Step #1 to keep checking (as long as the poll is running) that the voting is taking place smoothly (ie. no "disappearing votes").

I really can't explain why Mr. Narendra Modi has such few supporters in our group. Similarly I cannot explain why Ms. Sonia Gandhi is perceived to be so "not honest" either.

In our next poll we'll see if proportional voting will improve the situation. Maybe Mr. Narendra Modi is the 2nd choice for almost everyone on this group. Maybe all his votes switched to Baba Ramdev.

There is another possibility you should consider -  Mr. Modi has been winning Gujarat because of EVM tampering and his charishma will evaporate if voting is free and fair.

Sarbajit

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM, shirish dave <smdave1940@yahoo.com> wrote:
These are all fake figures.
Narendra Modi is well ahead of all. As for Nehruvian Congi leaders PC and others colleague are zero.




The surprising finding is how Chidambaram, the epitome of corruption got 16%. But for his actions/ support as FM and HM none of the major scams would have happened

From: Satish Oberoi <oberoi50@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
Request intimate method used to obtain opinion poll.


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 14:45
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
This only reflects the "reality" of those educated internet connected armchair persons who read IAC's mailing lists and took some time to respond to the poll. We openly say it may be very different from ground realities. But, in my personal opinion it shows a core set of people who may be crucial in India-2014 with their relative personal integrities. For instance the Congress being unable to keep Mamta Banerjee on CBI leash has launched this Ponzi Chit Fund scam to control her, so Mamta will have to dump all these wheeler dealers like K.D. Singh to retain her "honesty" with IAC in future. Insofar as the Poll itself goes, anyone on the internet knowing the link could have voted, and the results were openly available in real time to anybody with an internet connection. As both the links are functional you can still test it out for yourself. (The vote-by-vote record is available to IAC techs). IAC is NOT a representative sample of India Sarbajit
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, moorty yechury <myechury@yahoo.com> wrote:
Let us see how it effects the reality.
Also let us the correctness of this with actuality
YVSR MOORTY

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
POLL for India's most honest person
Sonia Gandhi *
1 (0.61%)
Narendra Modi ********
16 (9.76%)
Mayawati
0 (0%)
Jayalalitha
0 (0%)
Nitish Kumar ***************
29 (17.68%)
Mulayam Singh Yadav ***
5 (3.05%)
Mamata Banerjee ***************************
54 (32.93%)
P Chidambaram *********
18 (10.98%)
Nandan Nilekani *****
9 (5.49%)
Montek Singh Ahluwalia
0 (0%)
Mukesh Ambani
0 (0%)
Arvind Kejriwal ******
12 (7.32%)
Altamas Kabir *
2 (1.22%)
Barkha Dutt *
1 (0.61%)
Others - Baba Ramdev etc. *********
17 (10.37%)
Total votes: 164
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Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind is not a Nehruvian Socialist


Three of Arvind's colleagues were alleged to be corrupt on various accounts. An internal Lok Pal was said to have been constituted to find the truth with in three months. More than six months have passed but nothing has been heard of the out come of Lok Pal inquiry. What is the difference between AAP and other Political Parties?
Harendra Singh

From: Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com>
To: Jafra asthana <asthana1@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Arvind is not a Nehruvian Socialist

Dear Asthana Ji,
What you are saying, Arvind never said so. He never said he is aginst Socialism, against free/subsidised water and electercity and wants strong local governments, limited role of central Government i.e  Security (both internal disturbances and external aggression), quick justice,  no PSUs, only five six Govt departments against about 100 Deptts at present etc. He needs to be very clear in his own mind. He never made any clear distinction between Independence (free for all) and Freedom with accounarbilty and transparency, abolition of colonial model of adminsitration i.e no Patwari, no Tehsildar, no Deputy Commissioner,
  no Divisonal Commissioner, Municipal Commissioner on hire and fire basis etc. Arvind does nort seem to be transparent and frank with an open mind. 
Please ask Arvind to make his mind very clear about Socialism. He refuses to meet people who suggest to him to shed his Socialistic ideas.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
 
 
 

Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:54:03  -0700
From: asthana1@yahoo.com
Subject: Arvind is not a Nehruvian Socialist
To: psabhlok@hotmail.com
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Dear Sabhlok ji,

As you know, I have been working closely with Arvind and his group. I find that he is a firm believer in Swaraj, minimum government and maximum self-government. He has also said so many times in private and public.

I do not know why you are under the impression that Arvind is in favour of Nehruvian socialist. Nothing could be further than the truth. He does not want the government involved in most things. He wants the people to take their own decisions about things that affect them.

We have a committee working on Industrial and Economic policies of the government. There is no whiff of Nehru in it! I am also on two committees (Foreign policy and Corporate Governance) and we have no one spouting socialism there. I am also a guest in the Defence Policy committee and in that we are recommending privatisation of defence production in favour of Indian companies. 

Some people get the impression that Arvind is against business because he keeps raising issues about some unscrupulous ones like Reliance. I want to clarify that we are against dishonest business, as every thinking person should be. We are entirely in favour of promoting those business houses in the private sector which work in an honest manner.

If you have any questions on this, please do not hesitate to ask. 

Regards

KA

ps: I notice an email from Sarbajit in your mail chain. Please do not entertain him. He is a frustrated, foul-mouthed fraud. Both Sanjeev and I have blocked him from our lists.



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Re: [IAC#RG] Honest Indians : first results of IAC's opinion poll

I feel Narendra Modi is the most honest person in India.
 Col Y P Chopra( Retd )


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] Honest Indians : first results of IAC's opinion poll

Dear Ajay

Thanks for forwarding the results of the first 100 votes of IAC's Honesty survey. The results are an eye-opener into the mind-set IAC's membership and its opinions based on geographical location (from IP addresses).

This informal survey has to be taken with many disclaimers.

1)  It is limited to largely English knowing and internet connected "activists", "civil society", "ESM", "students" and "professionals" type of persons.

2) Since IAC is apolitical many of the BJP, Aam Aadmi and Congress types have been excluded from this survey as they had been unsubscribed from IAC.

My personal raw (oe. unscientific) Conclusions:

1)  Congress is losing badly in IAC's upper-middle class PLU "people like us" especially in Northern India, but has done very well in South and also so-so in Maharashtra.

2) IAC's PLU Women have all turned against the "corrupt" ladies like Sonia, Jayalalita etc. Mamta Banerjee has made a clean sweep of this segment with strong showing from all over India.

3) Aam Aadmi Party is splitting BJP and Congress votes to a larger than expected degree, but it seems AAP is eating more into BJP votes based on geographical trend.

4) Baba Ramdev may seem to be a strong starter (doing better than even NaMo ???) , but we need to see how many of the "Others" votes are actually for him or if these votes are a general rejection of all names on the ballot.

5) Nitish Kumar and Mamta Banerjee getting around 55% of the votes would indicate that IAC's subscriber base is now strongly APOLITICAL and trend following reflecting IAC's demographic grassroot strong-holds.

Sarbajit

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:50 AM, IAC techs <iac.techs@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends

Thanks for so many responses (76) within 12 hours.

Here are some preliminary results

QUESTION : Who is India's most honest person.

1) Nobody, so far, is prepared to state that Sonia Gandhi, Mayawati, Jayalalitha, Mukesh Ambani, Barkha Dutt or Altmas Kabir (CJI) is India's most honest person.

2) 1 person (from Holland ???) thinks that Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav is India's most honest person.

3) 3 people - 4% (from Maharashtra, Kolkatta and Karnataka) think Arvind Kejriwal is India's most honest person.

4) 5 people - 7% (incl. from Haryana, Surat, Kolkatta, Karnataka) think Narendra Modi is India's most honest person.

Take the poll for yourself

http://iac0005.eu5.org/IAC_POLL_0001.html

If you are sceptical, you can check the "before" and "after" of your vote at this link to confirm that your vote was properly recorded.

http://iac0005.eu5.org/poll/results.php?pollid=1

Ajay Dixit
Cyber-media in-charge


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:25 PM, IAC techs <iac.techs@gmail.com> wrote:
For IAC's members,

We are testing out various polling scripts.

Please help us by taking this sample poll and suggest any changes to make it more user friendly or report if it does not work for you.

http://iac0005.eu5.org/IAC_POLL_0001.html

Ajay Dixit
Cyber-media in-charge




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Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results

Dear and Respected  All,

Mr. Shirish Dave (SM Dave) is right.  The entire UPA I and UPA II are  most corrupt.  How can its Ministers and MPs, MLAs, Party Spokesmen get any marks.  All deserve to get only ZERO Marks and even MINUS MARKS.  IAC Members who are concerned about rooting out Corruption in the Country, if they award  any Marks to anyone of these UPA Leaders, it is only HYPOCRISY TO THE CORE. IF IAC ALSO ENDORSE THIS HEIGHTENED HYPOCRISY, IT IS HIGH TIME   TO  ABANDON AND DISBAND THIS  IAC MOVEMENT.  

IN BHAGAVATH GEETHA LORD SRI KRISHNA SAYS, HE WILL TAKE AVADHAR *SAMBHAVAMI YUGE YUGE) TO REESTABLISH DHARMA. GOD SAVE MOTHER INDIA - JAIHIND !!! JAIHIND!!! JAIHIND!!!

With Best Regards,
A.S.KALYANAM

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Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Dear Mr Raman

This is a complex issue, and it would be better not to trivialise it. For your benefit I am summarising it in simple language using extreme examples. Even then most people do not get it for many days.

1) Obviously none of us are so naive as to think that overnight India will become a safe place for votes to be cast openly.

2) Luckily for us TECHNOLOGY (cryptographic hashes) will allow this to happen. Every elector can be assigned a PUBLIC key (say a 48 bit A/N string valid for a fixed time (say 3 months)  and he can generate his own PRIVATE key for an votiong proposal using this. By this means every voter can vote anonymously (using his private key for that proposal). By this means the private key for a proposal becomes a valuable tradable commodity for that election, especially if these keys are publicly traded on specialised exchanges. By this means we can eliminate Parliament itself, since voting on Bills and rules can be directly done by the electors whose votes are "traded" (ie. bought and sold) to the extent that even STT is collected.

Safeguards will have to be built in to ensure that proposals cannot be voted in with too few votes, or that Corporates cannot buy voters cheaply to vote themselves huge profits.

To give an example of how it works.

Voter A is passionately convinced in favour of a proposal, say independence for J&K moved by a Mr Geelani. He can transfer his vote to Mr. Geelani Free of Cost FOR THIS PROPOSAL ONLY. If Mr. Geelani gets 10% free (or paid) votes the proposal moves forward. Mr. Geelani will start collecting as many free votes as he can, after that he will have to start buying votes. His opponents, ie. those who want J*K to stay in India will be doing the same at the same time. By these means the voters become important and corporates and foreigners can start doing openly what they are now doing in secret. In other words we want to cut out the middleman (netas) and bring the money directly to the people (who are being shafted in any case). The cost/price/value of a citizen's vote will be public, transparent and quoted in real time.

Sarbajit

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:47 PM, J Raman <events@southasianoutlook.com> wrote:
Friends
 
Solution: Where is the secrecy of the vote?
 
"State will see nothing happens..." What kind of State you are looking at – how can there be a sudden change from a corrupt one to a real good one that will protect. Except for a few ones left (even they are being pressurised) – the whole system is rotten.
An ordinary citizen is not protected  at all.
 
Let's come up with a better solution.
 
J Raman
 
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines
 
Friends

Yesterday IAC conducted a "poll".
Immediately there was a flurry of abuse saying that the results were impossible.

For decades the Congress and BJP have been rigging the elections using their  "black box" EVM voting machines. Then somebody "stole" one of these  machines and what was an open secret ("insecure EVMs") got confirmed.

Previous CECs like Lygdoh and Krishnamurthy were said to be part of this racket and had apparently even opened a Joint Venture to conduct this rigging business after their retirement. Other CECs and ECs were part of the Sai Baba fixing network which controlled BOTH the Congress and the BJP.

Now due to complaints of citizens the ECI has come up with a new device to buy time. The so-called "paper trail" EVMs. This is also a fraud. Don't believe it.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/election-commission-ready-with-new-evm/384187-37-64.html

Let me tell you where the scam lies and why there is 1 and only 1 fix for it.

The SCAM : "Secrecy of the ballot". <-- for decades Indians have been brainwashed with this myth. Attack this and you are abused.

The SOLUTION:  Every vote cast has to be openly published with the name and address of the voter whose identity has been established. It is the responsibility of the State to see that nothing happens for casting one's vote for the opposition. To prevent terrorism and goondaism at least 80% cvotes must be cast for a result to be declared. Only when that is achieved can we say that there is true democracy in India. Until then gooda-ism will flourish.

PS: This applies equally for all votes cast in Parliament.

Sarbajit


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[IAC#RG] FW: India's rigged EVM voting machines

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From B V Ramarao on May 04, 2013 : here is a query.
 
Many many months ago I came across a news item saying that
CM of T-Nadu Ms. Jayalalitha claimed that Shri P Chidambaram initially was
losing in the Lok Sabha elections in year 2009 but some manipulations led
to his being declared elected as MP.  Was this looked into by CEC ? Can someone
let me know the latest and correct position on this subject ?
 
What are the checks in force to ensure that the blank ballot papers at polling booths where
many voters did not turn up are not stamped and counted in favour of the
preferred or influential candidate ?
 
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From: events@southasianoutlook.com
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CC: sroy.mb@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:17:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines

Friends
 
Solution: Where is the secrecy of the vote?
 
"State will see nothing happens..." What kind of State you are looking at – how can there be a sudden change from a corrupt one to a real good one that will protect. Except for a few ones left (even they are being pressurised) – the whole system is rotten.
An ordinary citizen is not protected  at all.
 
Let's come up with a better solution.
 
J Raman
 
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: [IAC#RG] India's rigged EVM voting machines
 
Friends

Yesterday IAC conducted a "poll".
Immediately there was a flurry of abuse saying that the results were impossible.

For decades the Congress and BJP have been rigging the elections using their  "black box" EVM voting machines. Then somebody "stole" one of these  machines and what was an open secret ("insecure EVMs") got confirmed.

Previous CECs like Lygdoh and Krishnamurthy were said to be part of this racket and had apparently even opened a Joint Venture to conduct this rigging business after their retirement. Other CECs and ECs were part of the Sai Baba fixing network which controlled BOTH the Congress and the BJP.

Now due to complaints of citizens the ECI has come up with a new device to buy time. The so-called "paper trail" EVMs. This is also a fraud. Don't believe it.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/election-commission-ready-with-new-evm/384187-37-64.html

Let me tell you where the scam lies and why there is 1 and only 1 fix for it.

The SCAM : "Secrecy of the ballot". <-- for decades Indians have been brainwashed with this myth. Attack this and you are abused.

The SOLUTION:  Every vote cast has to be openly published with the name and address of the voter whose identity has been established. It is the responsibility of the State to see that nothing happens for casting one's vote for the opposition. To prevent terrorism and goondaism at least 80% cvotes must be cast for a result to be declared. Only when that is achieved can we say that there is true democracy in India. Until then gooda-ism will flourish.

PS: This applies equally for all votes cast in Parliament.

Sarbajit

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Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results

Dear Mr. Dave

I can assure you that those figures were actually entered by somebody.

But you ought it try it out for yourself (and please tell your friends at mediamonitor and issuesonline also and ask them to vote for Mr. Modi).

Step #1
http://iac0005.eu5.org/poll/results.php?pollid=1
Note down a) the total number of votes already entered b) The votes already cast in favour of your candidate

Step #2
http://iac0005.eu5.org/IAC_POLL_0001.html
click on the button next to your candidate and click "submit"

If nobody else (including you) has previously cast a vote from your IP Address, you will see that your candidates vote and also the Total vote has increased by the number of valid votes cast by yourself AND by any other voter in the time between Steps #1 and #2.

You can always use Step #1 to keep checking (as long as the poll is running) that the voting is taking place smoothly (ie. no "disappearing votes").

I really can't explain why Mr. Narendra Modi has such few supporters in our group. Similarly I cannot explain why Ms. Sonia Gandhi is perceived to be so "not honest" either.

In our next poll we'll see if proportional voting will improve the situation. Maybe Mr. Narendra Modi is the 2nd choice for almost everyone on this group. Maybe all his votes switched to Baba Ramdev.

There is another possibility you should consider -  Mr. Modi has been winning Gujarat because of EVM tampering and his charishma will evaporate if voting is free and fair.

Sarbajit

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM, shirish dave <smdave1940@yahoo.com> wrote:
These are all fake figures.
Narendra Modi is well ahead of all. As for Nehruvian Congi leaders PC and others colleague are zero.




The surprising finding is how Chidambaram, the epitome of corruption got 16%. But for his actions/ support as FM and HM none of the major scams would have happened

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Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
Request intimate method used to obtain opinion poll.


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 14:45
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
This only reflects the "reality" of those educated internet connected armchair persons who read IAC's mailing lists and took some time to respond to the poll. We openly say it may be very different from ground realities. But, in my personal opinion it shows a core set of people who may be crucial in India-2014 with their relative personal integrities. For instance the Congress being unable to keep Mamta Banerjee on CBI leash has launched this Ponzi Chit Fund scam to control her, so Mamta will have to dump all these wheeler dealers like K.D. Singh to retain her "honesty" with IAC in future. Insofar as the Poll itself goes, anyone on the internet knowing the link could have voted, and the results were openly available in real time to anybody with an internet connection. As both the links are functional you can still test it out for yourself. (The vote-by-vote record is available to IAC techs). IAC is NOT a representative sample of India Sarbajit
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, moorty yechury <myechury@yahoo.com> wrote:
Let us see how it effects the reality.
Also let us the correctness of this with actuality
YVSR MOORTY

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Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Final Opinion Poll results
POLL for India's most honest person
Sonia Gandhi *
1 (0.61%)
Narendra Modi ********
16 (9.76%)
Mayawati
0 (0%)
Jayalalitha
0 (0%)
Nitish Kumar ***************
29 (17.68%)
Mulayam Singh Yadav ***
5 (3.05%)
Mamata Banerjee ***************************
54 (32.93%)
P Chidambaram *********
18 (10.98%)
Nandan Nilekani *****
9 (5.49%)
Montek Singh Ahluwalia
0 (0%)
Mukesh Ambani
0 (0%)
Arvind Kejriwal ******
12 (7.32%)
Altamas Kabir *
2 (1.22%)
Barkha Dutt *
1 (0.61%)
Others - Baba Ramdev etc. *********
17 (10.37%)
Total votes: 164
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