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Saturday, May 23, 2015

Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY - or is it?

Every establishment has its inbuilt resistance to change, it increases with size of such establishment. Political Parties, bureaucrats and Government have been working in a way - how so ever corrupt or honest its functionaries have been - they can not digest an upstart asking them to work another way. It is in fact the fight back of ESTABLISHMENTS - established political parties as well as

bureaucrats against the peoples mandate given to AAP, which wanted to change the way the Govt's have been working. It was natural and evident and was fore seen by Kejriwal himself also, when he spoke after the win. What is surprising is that media also does not seem to be happy with the change - they have also been part of the ESTABLISHMENT for too long.

R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board

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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY

In my assessment, it is the BJP that is childish .... a spoilt brat. It has unnecessarily given an opening to the defunct Congress by its arrogance in parliment. It has tied up with PDF in JK. Its FM continues to raise taxes and cause inflation on the one hand, and wants RBI to cut rates on the other ! It unnecessarily delayed Delhi elections, which cost it a lot. It transferred honest Vigilance Officer of AIIMS, and refused to allot him to Delhi govt. Now it is childishly playing games in Delhi via Jung. Does it not remind one of Congress and Indira Gandhi / MM Singh ? It is time BJP realised that it should work as co-operator, not adversary, in the interest of the nation.

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On Thu, 5/21/15, vinod varshney <vinodvarshney@hotmail.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2015, 1:47 AM

Nobody is shocked at the wickedness
of the Centre which is egging the LG to create
hurdles in the functioning of the elected government. All
the top lawyers have
given their opinion on how LG is at fault. People remain
insensitive on real issues
as media is able to brainwash them and they find locking the
room a big issue.
Please know this is a fight between the vested interests and
the honest and
transparent politics.. People should support the latter.

Twitter: vinodvarshney2

Date: Wed, 20 May
2015 20:09:29 +0530
From: ashokbsharma@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

Kejriwal is known for his ECCENTRICITY. He should
behave with responsibility and keep up the image of the post
he occupies. He should learn to respect the law of the
land.
Yes, if he feels the
existing laws are bad or otherwise and he should step down
and mobilise public opinion. Mahatma Gandhi protested
against repressive British laws through peaceful
satyagraha
ASHOK B
SHARMAIndependent Columnist
& Analyst
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2015 at 1:38 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
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This kind of behaviour pattern by someone in
cm's chair can further push the ppl to take law in their
hands and using bricks n mortar.

It is most unbecoming and uncalled for in civilian
society.
On 19 May 2015
13:29, "Venkatraman Ns" <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
wrote:

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Against Corruption

CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER
IS ECCENTRICITY

It is shocking
that a senior officer of Delhi government was
locked out of his room in secretariat. Nobody would believe
if Mr. Kejriwal,
the Chief Minister would claim later on that he was not
aware of this. This is
a sort of behaviour that even a school boy would be ashamed
of. Obviously, the
governance in Delhi is now going for a toss.

If Mr. Kejriwal
would want to settle a
political score with the Lt. Governor of Delhi or the ruling
party in Central
government , he can proceed with the methods that he
is known for, but why
humiliate a senior officer of his own government, who is not
involved in his
power games? Obviously, Mr. Kejriwal lacks the knowledge of
fundamental principles of fair governance
and the wisdom that is expected to be
associated with a Chief Minister.

In the past, his
quixotic behaviour like cutting the power connection
and later
on sitting in dharna as Chief Minister and signing files
sitting on the road
gave him lot of media attention. Perhaps, he believes that
only such behaviour
will be liked by the people of Delhi and
as usual media will give him lot of space and therefore, he
continues to
exhibit such eccentricities. Are Delhi citizens as naïve as
he thinks ?
N.S.Venkataramantwitter :
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Re: [IAC#RG] ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?

Whereas judges all over the world have a privilege / protection, and rightly so, that protection is not unlimited. The administration / public are sensitive and come down fast and hard on the criminal types.
Unfortunately, in our country there is only privilege and protection, but no ruthless / effective weeding of the corrupt-criminal types. This is the crux of the problem.

Regards,

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On Fri, 5/22/15, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [IAC#RG] ARE INDIAN JUDGES NOW UNDER TRIAL ?
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Date: Friday, May 22, 2015, 7:47 AM

       ToIndia Against
Corruption
ARE INDIAN JUDGES
NOW UNDER TRIAL
?

In recent times,
several judgements delivered by Supreme
Court and High Courts have surprised and shocked common
men. While even the judges in USA have often
come
under severe criticism, the conditions in India appear to be
no better. So far, common men have believed
that the
judges would be the ultimate conscience keeper of the
country and this belief
is certainly getting eroded fast now.

While several
judgements have raised lot of suspicions in the past, it has
now reached a
climax when a High court judge acquitted a Chief Minister in
a corruption case
based on wrong arithmetic calculation and a rich
actor was given bail in a
  few hours after being convicted .These are
all very disturbing signals which the country can ignore
only at it's peril. If
the judges would not command faith amongst the people, the
inevitable
consequence will be that people would tend to believe that
there would be no
alternative other than resorting to violence to protect
probity in public life.
It is not clear yet whether the judges have realised the
consequences of
delivering judgements which cause
blatant suspicions and misgivings
amongst the people.

Of course, it is
true
that the judges function in stressful conditions with high
expectations of
standards from the people., who may not understand many
intricacies of the law
and the facts. When a judgement is delivered, it inevitably
happen that one party would
suffer and another party would triumph. There
can also be genuine
differences in interpretation of
law while providing judgements.
While these factors are understandable, when
judgements cause serious doubts amongst the people as to
whether the judges
have been impartial, it would be a tragic situation.
Unfortunately, this
appears to be what is happening in India
today.

One cannot miss the
fact that even retired judges of the High courts and Supreme
courts have
levelled corruption charges
against sitting judges in recent times. While
some say that this could be a situation similar to pot
calling kettle black,
nevertheless such accusations are
extremely disturbing. There have been
senior judges against whom molestation charges and land
grabbing charges have
been levelled and common men believe
that most of these charges appear to be true and genuine. In
all such cases,
the Supreme Court have not scrutinised the cases thoroughly
but have allowed the judges to go scot
free with judges rarely being punished
.

On the other hand,
several senior judges have no hesitation in
accepting posts such as Governor etc., which
make
people wonder as to whether these judges
have been rewarded by the government for any reason after
their retirement. Why
these judges place themselves in such suspicious
circumstances by accepting
such post retirement positions ?

It is now high time
that the judges have to redeem their fair name amongst the
people of India.
Many believe that the Government of India's move to
appoint judges by setting
up judicial commission is appropriate , as in the past,
several judges have
been appointed due to political reasons at the behest of
politicians. Further,
it is now seen that the judges have no qualm about sharing
platform in meetings
with business men and politicians , some of whom face
charges in the court.

Before the public
suspicion become worse, the judges should
immediately atleast evolve a code
of conduct for themselves and develop a mechanism where the
code of conduct
could be scrutinised.

The judges have no
time to lose as the country men appear to be becoming
impatient and developing
a sense of frustration , which make them
say YOU TOO JUDGES.
N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] CHIEF MINISTER LOCKING OUT HIS OFFICER IS ECCENTRICITY

No doubt BJP government has committed many mistakes and has acted childish on some occasions; but surely that does not mean that Kejriwal and his government is honest and is playing transparent politics. It is really surprising that in spite of getting experience and his behaviour there are people who still consider that he is honest and transparent.

V. S. Sardesai

On Sunday, 24 May 2015 1:41 AM, Victor Cooper <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

[IAC#RG] Why India has remained a developing country with poor denied basic necessities of life including housing?

Dear All,

In the so far prevalent Scandalous Collegium System, Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Selected & Secretly Promoted Upper Caste Male Judges to occupy Positions at High Courts and Supreme Court of India.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Hear Cases at Own Whims and Fancy & Not FIFO (First In First Out).

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Bureaucrats.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Corporates.

These Upper Caste Male Judges Save Upper Caste Culprit Ministers.

These Upper Caste Male Judges get Positions of Power even after they have Retired as Judges ensuring their Dominance in Governance System.

Nothing surprising then that India remains a corrupted country with Justice denied to Commoners as Litigants - Petitioners or Respondents.

Only Totally Transparent, Objective and Democratic Selection / Promotion System can help Worthy to be Judges to Deliver Justice that has been denied to We the People so far.

Regards,

(Babubhai Vaghela)
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri P Mohana Chandran ji & Friends All,

In a social setting and a polity of the kind, we are today, HEREDITY -- in a very natural, gentle and an obvious way take/s over, even the professional judgments (or judiciary), in the lower law-courts to the highest Courts, in our democratic country of "over a-billion" -- justice at times is likely to go 'astray'. Is that not so ? Should the judicial system not look for ways to fix some norms ?

For instance, if the elder wizened ones charge Rs 8-10 Lac rupees for a day's appearance, and his or her close or far off relation charges rupees 1 lac a day, is justice not likely to get biased and wrong, or illogical judgments start seeing the light of day ?

Or, in the political arena successful justices take on Governor-ships as has been happening in India, and then the constitutional position starts getting tainted with wrong and false or illegitimate politicization, what sort of a democratic process will we get to be ?

Open and visible biases or materialism, take over the polity and then also the judicial system/s, how good is then the kind of democracy we live in ?

Witnesses change sides (with money taking over) and all the rest of what we suffer, in a free or democratic India slowly or not-so-slowly, slips to be a sham ! Is that not so ? And WHO WILL START CORRECTING THE SLIPPAGES ?

dev chopra in gurgaon

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On 23 May 2015 at 13:36, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com> wrote:

Shri Vijay Kapoor refers to an observation reported to have been made by the SC to the effect that'a judge who passed an absurd order cannot be questioned'.Shri Bhagvanji Raivani rightly queried,What is that order .In what context ,the above observation is made.Judges should decide without fear or favour.A reasoned judgement of Mr. Justice X of a lower Court may appear to be ( in in all probability ) an absurd judgement as per the views of Mr Justice Y of a higher Court.The higher court can rectify the wrong in an Appeal or Revision as the case may be.The party affected is saved as the absurd order will be reversed or quashed by the Higher Court.The Judge who passed the absurd order can not be punished.Honest and upright judges will not pass absurd orders knowing it to be absurd.That does not mean that an honest and upright judge will not pass an absurd order.The existing legal system will take care of such things .
Advocates like Shri Salve are assisted by a team of legal experts.A Judge shall not be influenced by the personality of the lawyer or the accused.There are thousands of young lawyers in India who are better than Shri Palkhiwala(late),ShriSalve etc. They are not getting oppertunity to show their metal .There are brilliant lawyers in Poone than Mumbai.These brilliant lawyers in Poone are not able to establish an office in Mumbai.Right thinking people can think of creating a trust to facilitate young lawyers from mofussil to start practice in the cities .if such an oppertunity is given ,within 10 years, you can see most of the brilliant lawyers in India are not the sons aand in-laws of leading lawyers or children of City dwellers.Give a chance to brilliant young law graduates.---you can see a sea change.
P.Mohana Chandran

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Forum for Fast Justice <fastjustice@gmail.com> wrote:
WHICH IS THAT ORDER?
Can you mail the copy?
Bhagvanji Raiyani
Chairman and Managing Trustee
Forum For Fast Justice
09820403912

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Vijay Kapoor

<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> In this context, the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises: that if the "judge" even in an absurd order cannot be questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say, "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit rape" or "burn down the house" can also not be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge" who passes an order, say, "I hereby sack the President of India" or "The parliament stands dissolved" be not brought to book ?
> The judges need to ponder the deleterious effects on the nation of their virtually complete accountability.
>
> Regards,
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
> To: "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>, "Dr. NC Jain" <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>, "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com" <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>, "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
>
> The system was
> evolved taking into consideration of British
> laws.Most of the Advocates follow
> the same and being influenced the judges pass the
> order.The
> Justice is never delivered it is purchased.
> Warm regards,
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
>
> From: Gopalkrishnan
> iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>
> To: Dr. NC Jain
> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
> "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
> <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
> "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
> <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
> 2015 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
>
> There is
> no doubt left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
> not free from influence from powers that be, money power and
> high profile advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
> other seeng Salman khan virtually a free man within hours
> despite being convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
> is maneovreable! Harish Salve's presense in the court in
> a way subdued the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
> deliberating whether Salman is a culprit or not are not at
> all knowing the law on which they argued for 13 years!
> Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite! Can a
> common man avail the services of Salve or the like of him
> and if so at what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
> for months for an appontment where as all appointments were
> cancelled and flew down in Salmans case!!I should
> say the justice system also is influenced by status of
> people involved!
>
> Insider
> trader Gupta in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
> sentence followed in the same pace whereas Harshad
> Mehta's case is far from being over though the accused
> passed away long back!
> I think the jury system
> could speed up the justice system with least chance of a
> faulty delivery of justice
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 18 May 2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
> NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear
> sir
> Such instances are very common.As everone is aware, justice
> delayed is justice denied and In India, it is a common
> practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
> noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4 years and cic is
> not replying/taking any action on it. In short,India is free
> but not Indians.We have to struggle to make Indians free.
> Dr
> N C Jain
>
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
> Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> In
> theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
> lower courts. But things are entirely different in
> practice.
> I cite a couple of my own
> experiences:
>
> 1. I filed a
> consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
> builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The
> "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto,
> apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me
> penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look
> at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his
> "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a
> smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
> His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he
> imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in
> deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing
> hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied
> under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from
> navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
> cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence;
> that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
> brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he
> contravened
> Registration Act; that he
> contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing
> material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a
> contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws
> of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any
> of the law points involved and does not utter a single word
> about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge"
> ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value
> (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
> similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest @
> 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10
> lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to
> the industrialist.
>
> 2. In
> another case in the same court the "judge", one
> Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
> college, ignores all evidence on record and several points
> of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are
> not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
> the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number /
> Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice /
> Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not
> good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different
> agreements between the parties and with different dates and
> terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided
> without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid
> one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
> evidence placed on record, can the "judge"
> unilaterally decide differently that too without any
> reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC
> judgments on different subjects; can the "judge"
> overrule the law and the intent to
> the
> parliment; can the "judge" order costs when
> several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal
> before the National Commission was the same .......
> non-appreciation of evidence on record and several law
> points raised. At this point as I came down with health
> problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
>
> There are many fine judges (I
> recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
> my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
> lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi
> HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get
> on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly
> disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain
> provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
> all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As
> the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same
> society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges,
> babus, netas, of which there are many.
>
> There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
> REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police,
> education, health, ... just everything.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
> [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
> CAN BE ALARMING
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
>
> Shri Venkataraman may
> kindly note that to err is human.Judges also
> may err-of
> course not with the intention to
> err.The error may be on a
> question of law
> or on a guestion of fact.To take care of
>
> such situations,law enables affected party to file
> Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe
> Appellate Court to
> confirm the trial court
> judgement in all cases and thereby
> make the
> people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
> Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
> matter and give
> judgements with out fear or
> favour.They need not worry about
> the
> comments that may be made by persons like
>
> Shri.Venkataraman.
> If the decision of
> Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
> the Hon'ble
> Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous
>
> calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
> total
> assets and total income and if the
> mismatch is really more
> than 10% as is
> being propogated by some opposition leaders
>
> in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be
> sufficient for the Judge to correct the
> error.
> The allegation was that since
> Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case was
> prolonged for
> more than a decade.On her
> coviction,when the Bail matter
> came up
> before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
> granted,a consequence of which is expeditious
> disposal of
> the Appeal which resulted in
> quick disposal of the
> Appeal.The economic
> status of the party concerned has
> nothing
> to do with the case.
> A resourceful /wealthy
> party may be able
> to engage a team of legal
> experts and may be able to come
> out
> successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
> 'daridra narayana' may have to depend
> on a lawyer
> provided by Court or Legal
> Services Authority who may or
> may not be
> good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
> this matter ,economically deprived persons are
> in a dis
> advantageous position.Bail is the
> Rule and Jail is an
> exception. Poor people
> are not capable of engaging a lawyer
> and in
> cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
> appointed by court for accused and hence they
> remain in jail
> for days, months and at
> times years.
> I shall cite a case
> (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
> where a High Court
> 's verdict was set aside by the
> Supreme
> Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
> because the Parliament amended the law with
> retrospective
> effect.Incurring expenses by
> a candidate above the cut off
> limit was an
> electoral malpractice even if the amount is
>
> spent by a political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
> Congress spent in excess of the cut off
> amount.During
> emergency, law was amended
> with retrospective effect
> stipulating that
> money spent by political parties shall not
>
> be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
> decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
> Venkataraman might not have uttered a word
> had
> Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
> Corruption Act
> amended with retrospective
> effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
> and Central
> and State Ministers from the per view of the
> Prevention of Corruption Act.I appreciate Ms
> Jayalalitha
> for fighting the case by filing
> Appeal engaging ,of course
> the best legal
> brain instead of managing to amend the
>
> Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi
> and
> also the DMK P.Mohana
>
> Chandran
> On Wed, May 13, 2015
> at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not
> mean Judiciary is right . There are many
> cases pending
> Judgement in a number of
> Courts in india, the two recently
> came up
> for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
> Mr Salman Khan
> Every one
> knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case
> is
> one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
> wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].
> She has been an
> actress for a long time and
> her back ground is too good to
> be
> considered that she amassed wealth only by political
> means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not
> necessarily
> decide the final outcome. Law
> provides more options till
> Supreme Court.
> If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
> initiate action to file a suit in Supreme
> Court. None
> prevented and no one should
> close this option. Counting
> dresses ,
> chappals and other house hold articles for
>
> estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
> odd.
> In the case of Ms Salman
> Khan, it can be
> appreciated that this case
> is not of national importance.
> Daily such
> run over cases happen in India and abroad and
> even yesterday three women were killed under
> the wheels of a
> police vehicle. It is an
> accident can be due to
> negligence.Here too,
> the accused has options to
> appeal in higher
> court to get justice. Bail was granted as
>
> he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
> affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot
> be questioned.
> Definitely, prominent people
> get things done fast and for
> others, it
> takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
> things in India.
>
> raghavan rn
>
>
>
> From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH
> IN JUDICIARY ,
> CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
>
> One more case of
> SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
> a
> open book to every one. He got bail with in a
> month.
> B. VENKAT RAO
> Sent from my iPhone
> On
> 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Judiciary in India has
> made a mockery of
> themselves . They know that there is no
>
> one in the governing system who can punish them for all
> the
> wrongs. Now with the judgement made in
> favour of
> Jayalalitha clearly shows that
> how our judiciary has been
> working . The
> presenting officers and the defence
>
> advocates have been playing games with each other .At
> least punish out off those who have been
> proved to be
> wrong .
> Same
> thing happened with the case of Salman
>
> Khan.
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
> Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
> , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
>
> After
> several years
> of trial in a killing case,
> an actor was held guilty by the
> court and
> jail term
> awarded. But, he got bail in a
> few hours
> from another judge. After
> several years of trial in a
> corruption
> case, a
> Chief Minister was found guilty and
> awarded jail term and
> hefty fine. But,
> after a few months, a higher court judge
> called her innocent
> and acquitted
> everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
> which judge is
> right and which judge
> is wrong.
>
>
> While rich
> politicians and cinema actors
> seem to have the last laugh,
> there are
> thousands
> of dharidhranarayanas in India
> who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for
> several
> years without being heard. Are they
> not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor
> driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich
> politician
> indulging in corrupt
> practices ? Are we settling down for this sort
> of democracy
> in India ?
>
>
> An average common man
> in
> India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already
> lost
> faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
> has been thinking that
> the
> judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
> But, when judiciary
> give
> judgements with so much of contradiction between one
> judge and the other
> and
> providing bail and relief
> to the
> convicted actor and
> politicians with
> great speed and with
> many judges in
> India already having been
> accused of
> corrupt practices in the past, people
>
> tend to develop doubts about judiciary
>
> too.
>
> Now, what can a
> common man do , if he loses faith in
> politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and
> judges? It is alarming to think about such
> situation and the
> possibilities.
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
>
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[IAC#RG] Regarding: WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Upper Caste Male Judges Secretly Select and Secretly Promote Upper Caste Male Judges in Democratic Republic India. Rich and Influential have Faith in these Judges at HCs / SC. Not Commoners.

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From: "Ankit Khetan" <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in>
Date: May 16, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Cc:

Sorry to say But I think that you are away from reality, seating in Air conditioned Room enjoying your retirement. You have forgotten the days of your struggle.
Today unaccounted persons are in jail, not guilty but waiting for their turn to be heard in Courts just to know why they are in prison for years, what is their guilt.
Supreme Court, Constitution, Big Politician from the large expensive stages shout and say Every one is equal in the eye of law. But while asking for justice..where I am from..who you are, the poor guy...its my greatness that you are alive.
Great Chandran ji...Great Indian, Great citizen you are. One person is asking for justice and instead of supporting him you are telling who is servant and who is Public, In whose hand is law and who is fighting for law..
Yes I agree that Govt. does not supports Judicial system financially, but dont forget we want justice and we will get it.

Ankit Khetan
India

From: P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2015 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Venkataraman may kindly note that to err is human.Judges also may err-of course not with the intention to err.The error may be on a question of law or on a guestion of fact.To take care of such situations,law enables affected party to file Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe Appellate Court to confirm the trial court judgement in all cases and thereby make the people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the matter and give judgements with out fear or favour.They need not worry about the comments that may be made by persons like Shri.Venkataraman.

If the decision of Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of the Hon'ble Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the total assets and total income and if the mismatch is really more than 10% as is being propogated by some opposition leaders in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be sufficient for the Judge to correct the error.

The allegation was that since Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case was prolonged for more than a decade.On her coviction,when the Bail matter came up before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was granted,a consequence of which is expeditious disposal of the Appeal which resulted in quick disposal of the Appeal.The economic status of the party concerned has nothing to do with the case.

A resourceful /wealthy party may be able to engage a team of legal experts and may be able to come out successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A 'daridra narayana' may have to depend on a lawyer provided by Court or Legal Services Authority who may or may not be good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in this matter ,economically deprived persons are in a dis advantageous position.Bail is the Rule and Jail is an exception. Poor people are not capable of engaging a lawyer and in cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not appointed by court for accused and hence they remain in jail for days, months and at times years.

I shall cite a case (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi) where a High Court 's verdict was set aside by the Supreme Court,not because the High Court was wrong but because the Parliament amended the law with retrospective effect.Incurring expenses by a candidate above the cut off limit was an electoral malpractice even if the amount is spent by a political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as Congress spent in excess of the cut off amount.During emergency, law was amended with retrospective effect stipulating that money spent by political parties shall not be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the decisions were correct.
Perhaps Shri Venkataraman might not have uttered a word had Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of Corruption Act amended with retrospective effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs and Central and State Ministers from the per view of the Prevention of Corruption Act.I appreciate Ms Jayalalitha for fighting the case by filing Appeal engaging ,of course the best legal brain instead of managing to amend the Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi and also the DMK
P.Mohana Chandran

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not mean Judiciary is right . There are many cases pending Judgement in a number of Courts in india, the two recently came up for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and Mr Salman Khan

Every one knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case is one related to Politics and it is natural, every one wanted her to be punished[ her opponents]. She has been an actress for a long time and her back ground is too good to be considered that she amassed wealth only by political means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not necessarily decide the final outcome. Law provides more options till Supreme Court. If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should initiate action to file a suit in Supreme Court. None prevented and no one should close this option. Counting dresses , chappals and other house hold articles for estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks odd.

In the case of Ms Salman Khan, it can be appreciated that this case is not of national importance. Daily such run over cases happen in India and abroad and even yesterday three women were killed under the wheels of a police vehicle. It is an accident can be due to negligence.
Here too, the accused has options to appeal in higher court to get justice. Bail was granted as he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot be questioned. Definitely, prominent people get things done fast and for others, it takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing things in India.

raghavan rn

From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

One more case of SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is a open book to every one. He got bail with in a month.

B. VENKAT RAO

Sent from my iPhone

On 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com> wrote:

Judiciary in India has made a mockery of themselves . They know that there is no one in the governing system who can punish them for all the wrongs.
Now with the judgement made in favour of Jayalalitha clearly shows that how our judiciary has been working . The presenting officers and the defence advocates have been playing games with each other .At least punish out off those who have been proved to be wrong .

Same thing happened with the case of Salman Khan.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com> wrote:
To

India Against Corruption

WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

After several years of trial in a killing case, an actor was held guilty by the court and jail term awarded. But, he got bail in a few hours from another judge. After several years of trial in a corruption case, a Chief Minister was found guilty and awarded jail term and hefty fine. But, after a few months, a higher court judge called her innocent and acquitted everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders which judge is right and which judge is wrong.

While rich politicians and cinema actors seem to have the last laugh, there are thousands of dharidhranarayanas in India who stay in jail for lesser crime for several years without being heard. Are they not as much Indians as the cinema actor driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich politician indulging in corrupt practices ? Are we settling down for this sort of democracy in India ?

An average common man in India, millions of whom do not have any political affiliation have already lost faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He has been thinking that the judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country. But, when judiciary give judgements with so much of contradiction between one judge and the other and providing bail and relief to the convicted actor and politicians with great speed and with many judges in India already having been accused of corrupt practices in the past, people tend to develop doubts about judiciary too.

Now, what can a common man do , if he loses faith in politicians in power, bureaucrats and judges? It is alarming to think about such situation and the possibilities.

N.S.Venkataraman

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Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING

Shri Vijay Kapoor refers to an observation reported to have been made by the SC to the effect that'a judge who passed an absurd order cannot be questioned'.Shri Bhagvanji Raivani rightly queried,What is that order .In what context ,the above observation is made.Judges should decide without fear or favour.A reasoned judgement of Mr. Justice X of a lower Court may appear to be ( in in all probability ) an absurd judgement as per the views of Mr Justice Y of a higher Court.The higher court can rectify the wrong in an Appeal or Revision as the case may be.The party affected is saved as the absurd order will be reversed or quashed by the Higher Court.The Judge who passed the absurd order can not be punished.Honest and upright judges will not pass absurd orders knowing it to be absurd.That does not mean that an honest and upright judge will not pass an absurd order.The existing legal system will take care of such things .

Advocates like Shri Salve are assisted by a team of legal experts.A Judge shall not be influenced by the personality of the lawyer or the accused.There are thousands of young lawyers in India who are better than Shri Palkhiwala(late),ShriSalve etc. They are not getting oppertunity to show their metal .There are brilliant lawyers in Poone than Mumbai.These brilliant lawyers in Poone are not able to establish an office in Mumbai.Right thinking people can think of creating a trust to facilitate young lawyers from mofussil to start practice in the cities .if such an oppertunity is given ,within 10 years, you can see most of the brilliant lawyers in India are not the sons aand in-laws of leading lawyers or children of City dwellers.Give a chance to brilliant young law graduates.---you can see a sea change.

P.Mohana Chandran

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Forum for Fast Justice <fastjustice@gmail.com> wrote:

WHICH IS THAT ORDER?
Can you mail the copy?
Bhagvanji Raiyani
Chairman and Managing Trustee
Forum For Fast Justice
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On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Vijay Kapoor

<indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> In this context, the recent order by SC as reported in the media, that a "judge" who has passed an absurd order cannot be questioned, is even more absurd. Question then arises: that if the "judge" even in an absurd order cannot be questioned, can a judge who passes a criminal order, say, "go and shoot Mr. X" or "go and commit rape" or "burn down the house" can also not be brought to book !? Then can an absurd "judge" who passes an order, say, "I hereby sack the President of India" or "The parliament stands dissolved" be not brought to book ?
> The judges need to ponder the deleterious effects on the nation of their virtually complete accountability.
>
> Regards,
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/20/15, Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
> To: "Gopalkrishnan iyer" <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>, "Dr. NC Jain" <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>, "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com" <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>, "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015, 1:04 AM
>
> The system was
> evolved taking into consideration of British
> laws.Most of the Advocates follow
> the same and being influenced the judges pass the
> order.The
> Justice is never delivered it is purchased.
> Warm regards,
> Rakshpal Abrol
> Consumer Activist
> 9820203154
> rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in
>
>
> From: Gopalkrishnan
> iyer <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>
> To: Dr. NC Jain
> <j_nc2000@yahoo.com>;
> "vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com"
> <vijay99kapoor@yahoo.com>;
> "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
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> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May
> 2015 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
>
> There is
> no doubt left as to the fact that Indian justice system is
> not free from influence from powers that be, money power and
> high profile advocates.The recent verdicts one after the
> other seeng Salman khan virtually a free man within hours
> despite being convicted is ample proof that justice delivery
> is maneovreable! Harish Salve's presense in the court in
> a way subdued the Justice!! Or else all those involved in
> deliberating whether Salman is a culprit or not are not at
> all knowing the law on which they argued for 13 years!
> Jayalalitha'scase too is anopther instance cite! Can a
> common man avail the services of Salve or the like of him
> and if so at what cost and how fast! Common man has to wait
> for months for an appontment where as all appointments were
> cancelled and flew down in Salmans case!!I should
> say the justice system also is influenced by status of
> people involved!
>
> Insider
> trader Gupta in the US was convicted in a matter of days and
> sentence followed in the same pace whereas Harshad
> Mehta's case is far from being over though the accused
> passed away long back!
> I think the jury system
> could speed up the justice system with least chance of a
> faulty delivery of justice
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 18 May 2015 12:47 PM, Dr.
> NC Jain <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear
> sir
> Such instances are very common.As everone is aware, justice
> delayed is justice denied and In India, it is a common
> practice in almost,most department. I have a case of
> noncompliance of CIC order for the last 4 years and cic is
> not replying/taking any action on it. In short,India is free
> but not Indians.We have to struggle to make Indians free.
> Dr
> N C Jain
>
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2015 1:14 AM,
> Vijay Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
> In
> theory there appeals are possible to set right the wrongs of
> lower courts. But things are entirely different in
> practice.
> I cite a couple of my own
> experiences:
>
> 1. I filed a
> consumer complaint against a leading industrialist and
> builder of Goa in the State Consumer court. The
> "president judge", one Mr. Nelson Britto,
> apparently held the case in my favour because he granted me
> penal damages of Rs. 3.0 lacs against the builder. But look
> at the sheer malafides of the "judge" and his
> "order", who apparently imposed the penalty as a
> smokescreen to shield AND REWARD the errant industrialist.
> His entire order does not mention a single word as to why he
> imposed the penalty, and whether the builder was in
> deficency, in unfair trade practices, and providing
> hazardous services, WHEN the industrialist-builder has lied
> under oath and put a false document said to be the NOC from
> navy in the agreement to sell; the builder admitted in
> cross-examination under oath in that he destroyed evidence;
> that he never obtained the mandatory NOC from navy; that the
> brochure placed on record by me was his brochure; that he
> contravened
> Registration Act; that he
> contravened The Transfer of Property Act by not disclosing
> material defects in the property; etc. and so on. There is a
> contravention of at least half a dozen major Acts and laws
> of the land. But the "judge" does not discuss any
> of the law points involved and does not utter a single word
> about all those. Finally to cap it all the "judge"
> ignores the prayers made by me to either give market value
> (with written quotations from 5 vicinity builders) OR a
> similar flat in nearby locality. Instead he gives interest @
> 15%, which means a loss in capital value to me of over 10
> lacs (excluding interest cost), and a corresponding gain to
> the industrialist.
>
> 2. In
> another case in the same court the "judge", one
> Mr. Prabhudessai, who claims to be a law teacher in a local
> college, ignores all evidence on record and several points
> of law raised: Can the opposite party submissions that are
> not on affidavit and are merely verbal, be entertained by
> the court; Can a piece of paper without an Invoice Number /
> Tax registration, taxes be a valid "Invoice /
> Bill"; can the OP who has approached the court in not
> good faith be entertained; when there are 6 different
> agreements between the parties and with different dates and
> terms & conditions, can the matter be properly decided
> without first deciding which of the agreements is the valid
> one; when the OP himself does not dispute or refute the
> evidence placed on record, can the "judge"
> unilaterally decide differently that too without any
> reasoning; can the "judge" overrule at least 10 SC
> judgments on different subjects; can the "judge"
> overrule the law and the intent to
> the
> parliment; can the "judge" order costs when
> several issues of law have been raised; etc. The appeal
> before the National Commission was the same .......
> non-appreciation of evidence on record and several law
> points raised. At this point as I came down with health
> problems I could not pursue the matter in the SC.
>
> There are many fine judges (I
> recall Justices Mr. Sachar and Mrs. Leila Seth, who settled
> my PF case in just 4 hearings and did not allow the govt.
> lawyers to dilly-dally. I also recall the justice in Delhi
> HC, who put his foot down by telling the govt judges to get
> on with their defence, if any, and the outcome was quaterly
> disclosure of results by corporates, and also certain
> provisins for transparency in results.) But, the problem is
> all-persuasive, and is not limited to the judiciary only. As
> the SC itself has said that the judges are part of the same
> society. One hopes that one encounters the good judges,
> babus, netas, of which there are many.
>
> There is need for ALL-ROUND reform as in
> REFORM. The elections, administration, judiciary, police,
> education, health, ... just everything.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 5/14/15, P.Mohana Chandran <p.mohanachandran50@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
> [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY , CONSEQUENCES
> CAN BE ALARMING
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 1:08 AM
>
> Shri Venkataraman may
> kindly note that to err is human.Judges also
> may err-of
> course not with the intention to
> err.The error may be on a
> question of law
> or on a guestion of fact.To take care of
>
> such situations,law enables affected party to file
> Appeal,Review,Revision etc.Do you wantthe
> Appellate Court to
> confirm the trial court
> judgement in all cases and thereby
> make the
> people to have faith in judiciary.TrialCourt and
> Appellate Courts shall patiently hear the
> matter and give
> judgements with out fear or
> favour.They need not worry about
> the
> comments that may be made by persons like
>
> Shri.Venkataraman.
> If the decision of
> Mr.Justice Kumaraswamy of
> the Hon'ble
> Karnataka High Court is based on erroneous
>
> calculation (mathematical error ) in calculating the
> total
> assets and total income and if the
> mismatch is really more
> than 10% as is
> being propogated by some opposition leaders
>
> in Tamilnadu, a mere Application for Review will be
> sufficient for the Judge to correct the
> error.
> The allegation was that since
> Ms.Jayalalitha is a politician,the case was
> prolonged for
> more than a decade.On her
> coviction,when the Bail matter
> came up
> before the Supreme Court ,coditional Bail was
> granted,a consequence of which is expeditious
> disposal of
> the Appeal which resulted in
> quick disposal of the
> Appeal.The economic
> status of the party concerned has
> nothing
> to do with the case.
> A resourceful /wealthy
> party may be able
> to engage a team of legal
> experts and may be able to come
> out
> successful by taking advantage of the loopholes in law.A
> 'daridra narayana' may have to depend
> on a lawyer
> provided by Court or Legal
> Services Authority who may or
> may not be
> good/capable of handling the matter.It is only in
> this matter ,economically deprived persons are
> in a dis
> advantageous position.Bail is the
> Rule and Jail is an
> exception. Poor people
> are not capable of engaging a lawyer
> and in
> cases that are not very serious,amicus curie is not
> appointed by court for accused and hence they
> remain in jail
> for days, months and at
> times years.
> I shall cite a case
> (Mrs.Indirra Gandhi)
> where a High Court
> 's verdict was set aside by the
> Supreme
> Court,not because the High Court was wrong but
> because the Parliament amended the law with
> retrospective
> effect.Incurring expenses by
> a candidate above the cut off
> limit was an
> electoral malpractice even if the amount is
>
> spent by a political party. Mrs.Gandhi was unseated as
> Congress spent in excess of the cut off
> amount.During
> emergency, law was amended
> with retrospective effect
> stipulating that
> money spent by political parties shall not
>
> be counted to calculate the cut off amount .Both the
> decisions were correct.Perhaps Shri
> Venkataraman might not have uttered a word
> had
> Ms.Jayalalitha got the Prevention of
> Corruption Act
> amended with retrospective
> effect exempting MPs,MLAs,MLCs
> and Central
> and State Ministers from the per view of the
> Prevention of Corruption Act.I appreciate Ms
> Jayalalitha
> for fighting the case by filing
> Appeal engaging ,of course
> the best legal
> brain instead of managing to amend the
>
> Prevention of Corruption Act with the help of Mr Modi
> and
> also the DMK P.Mohana
>
> Chandran
> On Wed, May 13, 2015
> at 9:08 AM, Raghavan R N <raghavan6@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> If some one is Punished by a Court, it does not
> mean Judiciary is right . There are many
> cases pending
> Judgement in a number of
> Courts in india, the two recently
> came up
> for public attention is that of Ms Jayalalitha and
> Mr Salman Khan
> Every one
> knows that Ms Jayalalitha's case
> is
> one related to Politics and it is natural, every one
> wanted her to be punished[ her opponents].
> She has been an
> actress for a long time and
> her back ground is too good to
> be
> considered that she amassed wealth only by political
> means. Judgement by a Lower Court need not
> necessarily
> decide the final outcome. Law
> provides more options till
> Supreme Court.
> If it is a fit case for fighting, Govt should
> initiate action to file a suit in Supreme
> Court. None
> prevented and no one should
> close this option. Counting
> dresses ,
> chappals and other house hold articles for
>
> estimating the assets of Ms Jayalalitha looks
> odd.
> In the case of Ms Salman
> Khan, it can be
> appreciated that this case
> is not of national importance.
> Daily such
> run over cases happen in India and abroad and
> even yesterday three women were killed under
> the wheels of a
> police vehicle. It is an
> accident can be due to
> negligence.Here too,
> the accused has options to
> appeal in higher
> court to get justice. Bail was granted as
>
> he is an actor and is working in number of FILMS. All get
> affected. Granting bail , fast or slow cannot
> be questioned.
> Definitely, prominent people
> get things done fast and for
> others, it
> takes time. It is Indian culture and way of doing
> things in India.
>
> raghavan rn
>
>
>
> From: boompellivenkatrao@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:50 -0400
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH
> IN JUDICIARY ,
> CONSEQUENCES CAN BE
> ALARMING
>
> One more case of
> SATYAM Ramblings Raju. The fraud is
> a
> open book to every one. He got bail with in a
> month.
> B. VENKAT RAO
> Sent from my iPhone
> On
> 12-May-2015, at 3:41 am, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit.ahuja@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Judiciary in India has
> made a mockery of
> themselves . They know that there is no
>
> one in the governing system who can punish them for all
> the
> wrongs. Now with the judgement made in
> favour of
> Jayalalitha clearly shows that
> how our judiciary has been
> working . The
> presenting officers and the defence
>
> advocates have been playing games with each other .At
> least punish out off those who have been
> proved to be
> wrong .
> Same
> thing happened with the case of Salman
>
> Khan.
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:41 PM,
> Venkatraman Ns <nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> To
>
> India Against Corruption
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WHEN PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN JUDICIARY
> , CONSEQUENCES CAN BE ALARMING
>
>
> After
> several years
> of trial in a killing case,
> an actor was held guilty by the
> court and
> jail term
> awarded. But, he got bail in a
> few hours
> from another judge. After
> several years of trial in a
> corruption
> case, a
> Chief Minister was found guilty and
> awarded jail term and
> hefty fine. But,
> after a few months, a higher court judge
> called her innocent
> and acquitted
> everyone involved totally. Now, one wonders
> which judge is
> right and which judge
> is wrong.
>
>
> While rich
> politicians and cinema actors
> seem to have the last laugh,
> there are
> thousands
> of dharidhranarayanas in India
> who stay in jail for lesser
> crime for
> several
> years without being heard. Are they
> not as much Indians as
> the cinema actor
> driving his car on a pavement dweller and rich
> politician
> indulging in corrupt
> practices ? Are we settling down for this sort
> of democracy
> in India ?
>
>
> An average common man
> in
> India, millions of whom do not have any political
> affiliation have already
> lost
> faith in the politicians in power and bureaucracy. He
> has been thinking that
> the
> judiciary is ultimate conscience keeper of the country.
> But, when judiciary
> give
> judgements with so much of contradiction between one
> judge and the other
> and
> providing bail and relief
> to the
> convicted actor and
> politicians with
> great speed and with
> many judges in
> India already having been
> accused of
> corrupt practices in the past, people
>
> tend to develop doubts about judiciary
>
> too.
>
> Now, what can a
> common man do , if he loses faith in
> politicians in power,
> bureaucrats and
> judges? It is alarming to think about such
> situation and the
> possibilities.
> N.S.Venkataraman
>
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