Saturday, March 9, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Dear Sabhlok

Few lakhs of foreign black money coming back will not affect the future of the nation

Ramdev in 2009 was part of Chidambaram junket to Deoband to convince maulanas to support Congress. Baba Ramdev, Swami Agnivesh and Sachin Pilot were the other attendees. The meeting of about 25,000 Saudi financed Sunni imams was to ensure that Muslims will not have to sing Vande Mataram. The convenor of this famous meeting was Malauna Masood Madani

Ever since then Baba Ramdev has been the kiss of death to the BJP and except for a few non-entities in the party like Ram Jethmalani and Arun Jaitley nobody wants open association with Baba. In 2012 BJP lost Uttarakhand to Congress because of a corrupt deal by CM Ramesh Nishank (on instructions of Arun Jaitley) to sell precious herbs worth Rs. 500 crores to Baba Ramdev at 25% of the open market price. Even bringing back Khanduri as CM could not stop this damage

Baba Ramdev is only the sideshow, watch what happens in BJP and if Baba can mend fences with Congress and prevent files of  CBI enquiy into disappearance of Swami Shankar Dev in 2007 from emerging into Digvijay's hands

S D Sharma

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com> wrote:
From the various speeches, articles in favour/against Swami Ramev and many e-mails I find Swami Ramdev's followers want the ollowing.
1. Bring back several lakhs of rupees  stashed abroad and utilise the same for the welfare of India and people of India
2. End corrupt practices in India by throwing rudderless and confused Socialism in dustbin and revive liberalism, freedom and Swaraj.
3. No pseudo Secularism but genuine Secularism where religion, caste, creed etc will not be used for votebank.
4. Revival of Vedas  and good  governance as advised in Vedas and Kautilya's Arthashastra
5. Revive Spirtual Science and say goodbye to fake spirtualism of egoistic commercial gurus/swami
 
My study/analysis can be improved as I never met Baba Ramdev. I am told he lives in a  small room, sleeps on the floor, takes strict vegetarian food, spreads Vedic knoweledge to seekers and wants Politics to become the Noblest  Endeavour so that 100% People of India can freely particiapte in politics.
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Prem Sabhlok
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:00:47 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Dear Shailyji,

Persons like you who have been in IAC during the period we were not in it certainly have every cause to be angered at Kejriwal and Anna for the way they allowed the anti-corruption movement to be hijacked / derailed. These rootless wonders who were banking upon Sri Ravi Sankar's promised magical crowds which never materialised  were reduced to begging for bodies to put before the media camera from every source possible including RSS, VP Singh's morcha, HRA  and of course Ramdev.

Frankly I have no idea what Ramdev stands for exactly, or what he propagates or has done on the anti-corruption front. Merely raising a hullabaloo over black money stashed abroad and asking for it to be brought back does not constitute fighting against corruption.  This is one of the oldest issues in India since at least Bofors days and nothing has come of it.

Mr. Baig has a valid point that Ramdev is beleaguered with the Congress in power in his home turf of Himachal Pradesh. Now the screws can be put on him over his land deals and most importantly over the licencing and quality and taxes of his ayurveda pharmacy empire. In other words he will be as much under the control of Congress Party  as Mr. Mulalyam Singh Yadav is in UP and as such is undependable. No wonder the 2 Yadavs have met repeatedly to work out a joint strategy to counter Congress imperialism. No wonder also that Ramdev is publicly scrambling to confabulate with ex-babus like Shailaja Chandra known for her powerful Congress and Health Ministry links (see attached photos).

At the end of the day, despite all issues,  Bharat votes along lines of religion, caste etc. Intellectuals are deluding themselves if they feel they have any role to play outside their urban areas.  The rural areas are in any case going over to LWE (Left Wing Extremism) which is another issue IAC has to seriously discuss.

For all our members, please be assured that the day Ramdev becomes openly political, we shall ask his followers/supporters to delink from our apolitical movement, since the only thing Ramdev and IAC seem to have in common at the present time is  our demand that citizens be allowed to bear arms legally.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:30 AM, CyberTec Solutions <shailyji@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody who is against corruption and against this rotton system should be on Baba ramdev's side. He is the only hope one which India can survive for betterment. He is a deciding force in India and whole India has seen what values Baba propagate.

This fourm and the whole country has seen  kejriwal and Anna has done nothing but wasting time and precious efforts to Indian volunteers in the name of Anti corruption. Because of them movement against rotton system has been derailed and thousands of volunteers who wanted to clean the system are now in a state of distrust and are demoralized. 

Whereas Baba ramdev is still standing tall with his mission and his values. He have shown many times that what ever method of oppression govt. adopt he is defiant as before. 

We all Indians who really want to change the current pathetic condition of India should support Baba Ramdev in his efforts.
   

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sir

India Against Corruption members should be kept aware of Baba Ramdev's active entry into politics. He is already in trouble for his products, his land deals, his foreign associates and his murky financial affairs. Recently the Himachal government took over his prime land where he has carried out massive illegal constructions but the High Court gave Baba a stay.

With his massive money power and SaiBaba like ability to win friends and influence people, Ramdev is desperately attempting to garner support from intellectual classes to give him respectability. To appear secular he is touring the country with maulvis, fathers and jain munis. He may even try and infiltrate the IAC movement.

The Indian Express has this to say today.

Is Baba Ramdev now fair game?

Shailaja Bajpai : New Delhi, Wed Mar 09 2011, 15:02 hrs
The curious case of Baba Ramdev says as much about the nature of television in India as it does about his abilities as a yoga guru and televangelist. Last week, you would have found him on the mat – where else – striking poses he's unaccustomed to, and letting off steam rather than breathing in and out 'om vilom' style. He was Breaking News on many news channels, especially the Hindi news channels, after Congress' Digvijay Singh asked him to reveal the sources of his money and donations. This follows Baba Ramdev's campaign against black money which he often launches into between 'kapalbhati' lessons and his recent confrontation with Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP Ninong Ering who allegedly abused him during a yoga session for attacking the Congress Party on the issue of black money.
Baba Ramdev has made no secret of his political ambitions in the last one year. For those of us who have been watching his progress on the tube (not youtube but the television tube), this is no surprise. His drive to cleanse politics and the country of corruption, are integral to his discourses on healthy living now. Having spent years administering to our bodies and souls, he's turned his attention to the ills in the body politic. This is a logical progression; if watch him conduct one of his innumerable TV sessions, you'll soon discover that he has been repeating himself and now that millions of Indians seem ready to contort themselves into his shapes and sizes, it's time for him to move on. Where else will he go but politics, given the kind of countrywide popularity he enjoys?
If there is one person who has grown along with with the phenomenal spread of television throughout the country, it is Baba Ramdev. He is a creature of TV, if not its creation. I have been told stories of viewers who have forsaken the comfort of their sofas watching saas-bahu serials, to genuflect before him on TV. It's been an incredible success story and nobody should doubt the standing he enjoys with his yoga followers. Television has done everything it possibly could to increase their tribe. Baba Ramdev holds yoga classes on Doordarshan, most news channels, on Astha and then on Sanskar spiritual channels; regional language channels tune into these sessions too and there are live broadcasts of his trips across the country, and abroad. Nobody else in any field comes even close to him terms of television exposure.
Increasingly, Baba Ramdev talks about issues far below the high-minded discourses that elevated him to a guru. (Coca Cola, for instance, which he once described as worse than a toilet cleaner). And that's the rub: if he finds himself attacked by politicians today, it is because he's descended to their level. He's using the platform he ascended with the power of yoga to propagate his views on policies, on governance; he's advocating the death penalty for corruption and pointing fingers at political parties and their leaders. He's playing politics, not the first guru to do so. Remember the power Dhirender Brahmachari exercised during Mrs Indira Gandhi's prime-ministership?
However, once he's into politics, it becomes dirty, as he has now discovered. And he's being forced to appear on TV, not as a spiritual guide, but as one more person who must defend and/or explain himself. This could dim the TV-Teflon-coated protective sheen he has acquired from his televangelism. As everyone has found out, even a TV personality like Barkha Dutt after the Radiia tapes, breaking news, news channels do not discriminate on the basis of anything, not even the spiritual; anyone and everyone is fair game in their insatiable hunger for news and confrontations.
As he becomes more and political in his discourses leading up to the general elections of 2014, Baba Ramdev may find it difficult to maintain the lofty heights he's accustomed to, and the television that has helped make him who he is, could also break him.


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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Filed RTI. Money deducted from A/c. Since last 1 hr no conformation from site.Saying do not refresh etc. Should I still wait or close


From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

The site was only activated on 27.Feb.2013.
Maybe they will be giving out activation codes
manually initially during working hours.(ie. on Monday)

They also have a phone helpline - call on Monday and
see if it helps.

On 3/10/13, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nop. Not there at all. I already checked.
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Check your spam folder.
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>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Vidyut Kale
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>>> I registered too, was able to login, but haven't received any activation
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

The site was only activated on 27.Feb.2013.
Maybe they will be giving out activation codes
manually initially during working hours.(ie. on Monday)

They also have a phone helpline - call on Monday and
see if it helps.

On 3/10/13, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nop. Not there at all. I already checked.
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Check your spam folder.
>>
>> Nowaadys lots of emails from .nic.in and .gov.in are ending up in spam
>> folders because these domains are being spoofed by conmen.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Vidyut Kale
>> <wide.aware@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I registered too, was able to login, but haven't received any activation
>>> code :/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM, raja bunch
>>> <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Registered myself. Good,better late than never.
>>>> Bunch
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>>>> *From:* Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>; humjanenge <
>>>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:42 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational
>>>>
>>>> Dopt's
>>>> http://www.rtionline.gov.in/
>>>> http://www.rtionline.gov.in/FAQ-RTI-Online.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Need an SBI (or SBI associate) debit card
>>>> First Appeals are free.
>>>> Time is not known because application goes to the "nodal officer".
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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Nop. Not there at all. I already checked.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Check your spam folder.

Nowaadys lots of emails from .nic.in and .gov.in are ending up in spam folders because these domains are being spoofed by conmen.

Sarbajit


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I registered too, was able to login, but haven't received any activation code :/


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM, raja bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Registered myself. Good,better late than never.
Bunch


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Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:42 PM
Subject: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Dopt's
http://www.rtionline.gov.in/
http://www.rtionline.gov.in/FAQ-RTI-Online.pdf

Need an SBI (or SBI associate) debit card
First Appeals are free.
Time is not known because application goes to the "nodal officer".



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Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

I find the methods of analyzying politics on this list sometimes impractical. You are unlikely to find a "clean" public figure or politician. Particularly among the "high TRP" mob.

In my view, if my focus is on India, then I have to look at the dynamics more than the picture. It does not matter if the prince is a frog. In the end, it is a basket of crabs whose energies will do one good thing - keep the others in check.

In my view, rather than look at who is "moral" or "honest", it is useful to begin as George Orwell begins his famous essay on Gandhi "SAINTS should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..." immediately followed by "..but the tests that have to be applied to them are not, of course, the same in all cases."

I have nothing for or against any public entity - Kejriwal, Ramdev, Gandhis, Modi, whoevers included. In my view what is interesting is what they do to each other, and which are the resultant gaps we can exploit to break the "elite club" wide open for more and more people to start messing with.

Thus, I am happy about all scam exposes, Ramdev's demands, scrutiny of Ramdev and so on. I am specifically grateful for Kejriwal and Co for being a wild card. I know many are certain that there are hidden agendas at work, (and I would be surprised if there weren't!) but fact is that many lines have been redrawn and others have been blurred, and this should be seen as a larger picture to exploit opportunity for the masses to get more and more information and disrupt status quos profiting some people using the abundant motivation of their rivals :D

I think that anywhere where established crony relationships get rattled in favor of the new corrupt is still a step up. And now that this can of worms is open, there will be escalating scrutiny and we should aim to do this over and over. I believe this will help the country more than evaluating individuals - none of whom appear satisfactory.

"Lesser evil" is bullshit. "This evil guy" is also bull shit.

The menu currently asks if you want to eat shit that is baked, roasted or cooked in spices. Same difference. More useful to look at the procurement process than menu.

Vidyut

Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Check your spam folder.

Nowaadys lots of emails from .nic.in and .gov.in are ending up in spam folders because these domains are being spoofed by conmen.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
I registered too, was able to login, but haven't received any activation code :/


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:23 AM, raja bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Registered myself. Good,better late than never.
Bunch


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Subject: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Dopt's
http://www.rtionline.gov.in/
http://www.rtionline.gov.in/FAQ-RTI-Online.pdf

Need an SBI (or SBI associate) debit card
First Appeals are free.
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Re: [IAC#RG] लोगोंको उल्लू बना रहे है क्या ? IAC brings CBI back under RTI (for now)

Dear Babubhai

If you choose to complain abut IAC's activities we shall have to find another IAC ombudsman to replace you.

As you are not on the operational side of IAC or India's RTI movement nowadays you have perhaps not kept abreast of developments.

On 31.Oct.2012 in Mr. C.J.Karira's CIC matter the CBI vehemently argued that all CBI does is investigate allegations of corruption. In fact it is admitted that CBI's primary task is to investigate allegations of corruption.

The proviso to RTI Act's section 24 makes it clear that even exempted organisations must disclose information on allegations of corruption under RTI.  So the bulk of information from CBI is still accessible under RTI. No doubt they got a stay order in Mr. Karira's case but it does not come in the way of other citizens seeking info from CBI

So CBI was never out of RTI for the info of allegations of corruption, and it has been brought back again by IAC (for now). CBI was never taken out due to proviso in section 24 RTI Act.

Sarbajit

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लोगोंको उल्लू बना रहे है क्या ?

Govt took Income-Tax Investigation and CBI out of RTI.

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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Let us see the tricks to be plied by PIOs. The e-filing in SC is operational since 1.1..06 but hardly 20-30 out of 25000 petitions per year  are filed through this innovative method.And most of these are filed by petitioners-in- person residing at distant places & dismissed at the initial stage without any virtual relief. It becomes difficult to tamper with and override priorities when the record is in electronic form which is disliked by the bureaucrats as well as advocates.SC talks to professionalize RTI by induction of law graduates as PIO, FAA leaving aside the question that Advocates/ Law graduates are the greatest hurdle to justice in India hence are prohibited in Family Courts, Some Information Commissions and Labour Commissionaires etc.  See more details at:
http://justicemiracle-mrp.blogspot.in/2011/10/blog-post_05.html

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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

I registered too, was able to login, but haven't received any activation code :/

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RE: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

From the various speeches, articles in favour/against Swami Ramev and many e-mails I find Swami Ramdev's followers want the ollowing.
1. Bring back several lakhs of rupees  stashed abroad and utilise the same for the welfare of India and people of India
2. End corrupt practices in India by throwing rudderless and confused Socialism in dustbin and revive liberalism, freedom and Swaraj.
3. No pseudo Secularism but genuine Secularism where religion, caste, creed etc will not be used for votebank.
4. Revival of Vedas  and good  governance as advised in Vedas and Kautilya's Arthashastra
5. Revive Spirtual Science and say goodbye to fake spirtualism of egoistic commercial gurus/swami
 
My study/analysis can be improved as I never met Baba Ramdev. I am told he lives in a  small room, sleeps on the floor, takes strict vegetarian food, spreads Vedic knoweledge to seekers and wants Politics to become the Noblest  Endeavour so that 100% People of India can freely particiapte in politics.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:00:47 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Dear Shailyji,

Persons like you who have been in IAC during the period we were not in it certainly have every cause to be angered at Kejriwal and Anna for the way they allowed the anti-corruption movement to be hijacked / derailed. These rootless wonders who were banking upon Sri Ravi Sankar's promised magical crowds which never materialised  were reduced to begging for bodies to put before the media camera from every source possible including RSS, VP Singh's morcha, HRA  and of course Ramdev.

Frankly I have no idea what Ramdev stands for exactly, or what he propagates or has done on the anti-corruption front. Merely raising a hullabaloo over black money stashed abroad and asking for it to be brought back does not constitute fighting against corruption.  This is one of the oldest issues in India since at least Bofors days and nothing has come of it.

Mr. Baig has a valid point that Ramdev is beleaguered with the Congress in power in his home turf of Himachal Pradesh. Now the screws can be put on him over his land deals and most importantly over the licencing and quality and taxes of his ayurveda pharmacy empire. In other words he will be as much under the control of Congress Party  as Mr. Mulalyam Singh Yadav is in UP and as such is undependable. No wonder the 2 Yadavs have met repeatedly to work out a joint strategy to counter Congress imperialism. No wonder also that Ramdev is publicly scrambling to confabulate with ex-babus like Shailaja Chandra known for her powerful Congress and Health Ministry links (see attached photos).

At the end of the day, despite all issues,  Bharat votes along lines of religion, caste etc. Intellectuals are deluding themselves if they feel they have any role to play outside their urban areas.  The rural areas are in any case going over to LWE (Left Wing Extremism) which is another issue IAC has to seriously discuss.

For all our members, please be assured that the day Ramdev becomes openly political, we shall ask his followers/supporters to delink from our apolitical movement, since the only thing Ramdev and IAC seem to have in common at the present time is  our demand that citizens be allowed to bear arms legally.

Sarbajit

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Anybody who is against corruption and against this rotton system should be on Baba ramdev's side. He is the only hope one which India can survive for betterment. He is a deciding force in India and whole India has seen what values Baba propagate.

This fourm and the whole country has seen  kejriwal and Anna has done nothing but wasting time and precious efforts to Indian volunteers in the name of Anti corruption. Because of them movement against rotton system has been derailed and thousands of volunteers who wanted to clean the system are now in a state of distrust and are demoralized. 

Whereas Baba ramdev is still standing tall with his mission and his values. He have shown many times that what ever method of oppression govt. adopt he is defiant as before. 

We all Indians who really want to change the current pathetic condition of India should support Baba Ramdev in his efforts.
   

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sir

India Against Corruption members should be kept aware of Baba Ramdev's active entry into politics. He is already in trouble for his products, his land deals, his foreign associates and his murky financial affairs. Recently the Himachal government took over his prime land where he has carried out massive illegal constructions but the High Court gave Baba a stay.

With his massive money power and SaiBaba like ability to win friends and influence people, Ramdev is desperately attempting to garner support from intellectual classes to give him respectability. To appear secular he is touring the country with maulvis, fathers and jain munis. He may even try and infiltrate the IAC movement.

The Indian Express has this to say today.

Is Baba Ramdev now fair game?

Shailaja Bajpai : New Delhi, Wed Mar 09 2011, 15:02 hrs
The curious case of Baba Ramdev says as much about the nature of television in India as it does about his abilities as a yoga guru and televangelist. Last week, you would have found him on the mat – where else – striking poses he's unaccustomed to, and letting off steam rather than breathing in and out 'om vilom' style. He was Breaking News on many news channels, especially the Hindi news channels, after Congress' Digvijay Singh asked him to reveal the sources of his money and donations. This follows Baba Ramdev's campaign against black money which he often launches into between 'kapalbhati' lessons and his recent confrontation with Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP Ninong Ering who allegedly abused him during a yoga session for attacking the Congress Party on the issue of black money.
Baba Ramdev has made no secret of his political ambitions in the last one year. For those of us who have been watching his progress on the tube (not youtube but the television tube), this is no surprise. His drive to cleanse politics and the country of corruption, are integral to his discourses on healthy living now. Having spent years administering to our bodies and souls, he's turned his attention to the ills in the body politic. This is a logical progression; if watch him conduct one of his innumerable TV sessions, you'll soon discover that he has been repeating himself and now that millions of Indians seem ready to contort themselves into his shapes and sizes, it's time for him to move on. Where else will he go but politics, given the kind of countrywide popularity he enjoys?
If there is one person who has grown along with with the phenomenal spread of television throughout the country, it is Baba Ramdev. He is a creature of TV, if not its creation. I have been told stories of viewers who have forsaken the comfort of their sofas watching saas-bahu serials, to genuflect before him on TV. It's been an incredible success story and nobody should doubt the standing he enjoys with his yoga followers. Television has done everything it possibly could to increase their tribe. Baba Ramdev holds yoga classes on Doordarshan, most news channels, on Astha and then on Sanskar spiritual channels; regional language channels tune into these sessions too and there are live broadcasts of his trips across the country, and abroad. Nobody else in any field comes even close to him terms of television exposure.
Increasingly, Baba Ramdev talks about issues far below the high-minded discourses that elevated him to a guru. (Coca Cola, for instance, which he once described as worse than a toilet cleaner). And that's the rub: if he finds himself attacked by politicians today, it is because he's descended to their level. He's using the platform he ascended with the power of yoga to propagate his views on policies, on governance; he's advocating the death penalty for corruption and pointing fingers at political parties and their leaders. He's playing politics, not the first guru to do so. Remember the power Dhirender Brahmachari exercised during Mrs Indira Gandhi's prime-ministership?
However, once he's into politics, it becomes dirty, as he has now discovered. And he's being forced to appear on TV, not as a spiritual guide, but as one more person who must defend and/or explain himself. This could dim the TV-Teflon-coated protective sheen he has acquired from his televangelism. As everyone has found out, even a TV personality like Barkha Dutt after the Radiia tapes, breaking news, news channels do not discriminate on the basis of anything, not even the spiritual; anyone and everyone is fair game in their insatiable hunger for news and confrontations.
As he becomes more and political in his discourses leading up to the general elections of 2014, Baba Ramdev may find it difficult to maintain the lofty heights he's accustomed to, and the television that has helped make him who he is, could also break him.


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Re: [IAC#RG] RTI online facility seems operational

Registered myself. Good,better late than never.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Baba Ramdev to communalise politics

Dear Shailyji,

Persons like you who have been in IAC during the period we were not in it certainly have every cause to be angered at Kejriwal and Anna for the way they allowed the anti-corruption movement to be hijacked / derailed. These rootless wonders who were banking upon Sri Ravi Sankar's promised magical crowds which never materialised  were reduced to begging for bodies to put before the media camera from every source possible including RSS, VP Singh's morcha, HRA  and of course Ramdev.

Frankly I have no idea what Ramdev stands for exactly, or what he propagates or has done on the anti-corruption front. Merely raising a hullabaloo over black money stashed abroad and asking for it to be brought back does not constitute fighting against corruption.  This is one of the oldest issues in India since at least Bofors days and nothing has come of it.

Mr. Baig has a valid point that Ramdev is beleaguered with the Congress in power in his home turf of Himachal Pradesh. Now the screws can be put on him over his land deals and most importantly over the licencing and quality and taxes of his ayurveda pharmacy empire. In other words he will be as much under the control of Congress Party  as Mr. Mulalyam Singh Yadav is in UP and as such is undependable. No wonder the 2 Yadavs have met repeatedly to work out a joint strategy to counter Congress imperialism. No wonder also that Ramdev is publicly scrambling to confabulate with ex-babus like Shailaja Chandra known for her powerful Congress and Health Ministry links (see attached photos).

At the end of the day, despite all issues,  Bharat votes along lines of religion, caste etc. Intellectuals are deluding themselves if they feel they have any role to play outside their urban areas.  The rural areas are in any case going over to LWE (Left Wing Extremism) which is another issue IAC has to seriously discuss.

For all our members, please be assured that the day Ramdev becomes openly political, we shall ask his followers/supporters to delink from our apolitical movement, since the only thing Ramdev and IAC seem to have in common at the present time is  our demand that citizens be allowed to bear arms legally.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:30 AM, CyberTec Solutions <shailyji@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody who is against corruption and against this rotton system should be on Baba ramdev's side. He is the only hope one which India can survive for betterment. He is a deciding force in India and whole India has seen what values Baba propagate.

This fourm and the whole country has seen  kejriwal and Anna has done nothing but wasting time and precious efforts to Indian volunteers in the name of Anti corruption. Because of them movement against rotton system has been derailed and thousands of volunteers who wanted to clean the system are now in a state of distrust and are demoralized. 

Whereas Baba ramdev is still standing tall with his mission and his values. He have shown many times that what ever method of oppression govt. adopt he is defiant as before. 

We all Indians who really want to change the current pathetic condition of India should support Baba Ramdev in his efforts.
   

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM, M Baig <raaz.baig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sir

India Against Corruption members should be kept aware of Baba Ramdev's active entry into politics. He is already in trouble for his products, his land deals, his foreign associates and his murky financial affairs. Recently the Himachal government took over his prime land where he has carried out massive illegal constructions but the High Court gave Baba a stay.

With his massive money power and SaiBaba like ability to win friends and influence people, Ramdev is desperately attempting to garner support from intellectual classes to give him respectability. To appear secular he is touring the country with maulvis, fathers and jain munis. He may even try and infiltrate the IAC movement.

The Indian Express has this to say today.

Is Baba Ramdev now fair game?

Shailaja Bajpai : New Delhi, Wed Mar 09 2011, 15:02 hrs

The curious case of Baba Ramdev says as much about the nature of television in India as it does about his abilities as a yoga guru and televangelist. Last week, you would have found him on the mat – where else – striking poses he's unaccustomed to, and letting off steam rather than breathing in and out 'om vilom' style. He was Breaking News on many news channels, especially the Hindi news channels, after Congress' Digvijay Singh asked him to reveal the sources of his money and donations. This follows Baba Ramdev's campaign against black money which he often launches into between 'kapalbhati' lessons and his recent confrontation with Arunachal Pradesh Congress MP Ninong Ering who allegedly abused him during a yoga session for attacking the Congress Party on the issue of black money.

Baba Ramdev has made no secret of his political ambitions in the last one year. For those of us who have been watching his progress on the tube (not youtube but the television tube), this is no surprise. His drive to cleanse politics and the country of corruption, are integral to his discourses on healthy living now. Having spent years administering to our bodies and souls, he's turned his attention to the ills in the body politic. This is a logical progression; if watch him conduct one of his innumerable TV sessions, you'll soon discover that he has been repeating himself and now that millions of Indians seem ready to contort themselves into his shapes and sizes, it's time for him to move on. Where else will he go but politics, given the kind of countrywide popularity he enjoys?

If there is one person who has grown along with with the phenomenal spread of television throughout the country, it is Baba Ramdev. He is a creature of TV, if not its creation. I have been told stories of viewers who have forsaken the comfort of their sofas watching saas-bahu serials, to genuflect before him on TV. It's been an incredible success story and nobody should doubt the standing he enjoys with his yoga followers. Television has done everything it possibly could to increase their tribe. Baba Ramdev holds yoga classes on Doordarshan, most news channels, on Astha and then on Sanskar spiritual channels; regional language channels tune into these sessions too and there are live broadcasts of his trips across the country, and abroad. Nobody else in any field comes even close to him terms of television exposure.

Increasingly, Baba Ramdev talks about issues far below the high-minded discourses that elevated him to a guru. (Coca Cola, for instance, which he once described as worse than a toilet cleaner). And that's the rub: if he finds himself attacked by politicians today, it is because he's descended to their level. He's using the platform he ascended with the power of yoga to propagate his views on policies, on governance; he's advocating the death penalty for corruption and pointing fingers at political parties and their leaders. He's playing politics, not the first guru to do so. Remember the power Dhirender Brahmachari exercised during Mrs Indira Gandhi's prime-ministership?

However, once he's into politics, it becomes dirty, as he has now discovered. And he's being forced to appear on TV, not as a spiritual guide, but as one more person who must defend and/or explain himself. This could dim the TV-Teflon-coated protective sheen he has acquired from his televangelism. As everyone has found out, even a TV personality like Barkha Dutt after the Radiia tapes, breaking news, news channels do not discriminate on the basis of anything, not even the spiritual; anyone and everyone is fair game in their insatiable hunger for news and confrontations.

As he becomes more and political in his discourses leading up to the general elections of 2014, Baba Ramdev may find it difficult to maintain the lofty heights he's accustomed to, and the television that has helped make him who he is, could also break him.


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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: "good" BLACK Money

Dear Sir,

In our country there are multitude of issues and so called problems.
There are no straight  solutions to them.
What I mean is  that if you adopt a certain action the result would be resolution of all ills / problems
In my meagre thinking the approach  should be - to chart out stages, from where we are, to where we want to go. Tackle major issues first.
In this process there would be confusion during the transition but if the clarity of vision is maintained, the goal is achievable.

stages could be:

root out the present govt which has created the mess we are in, and is arrogant about it - prevent it to coming to power.
support  well intentioned new outfits like aam admi party, Baba ramdev'sparty,  others if any so that they can act as pressure groups in Parl
Pressurise the next govt to act against the corrupts of the present regimes and perform.
Apart from this efforts by public / media and other organisation to continue relentlessly to expose the corruption / inefficiency / abuse of power

there can be a chance that the smaller outfits that we support / elect may compromise, in that event the future of the smaller entities would be doomed

 That the chance we have to take. 




On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Madan Bhanot <bhanotmadan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,
While I appreciate the efforts of 'Aam Admi" movement, we are
forgetting the basic factor of 'corruption of mind'. We need to carry
out 'dialysis of national character'. So that the individual becomes
clean.

The definitions and cementics of Good Black and White Black money are
all wastage of time. Today over 57% rural India is not literate. They
are gradually getting exposed to the new raelities of life.  You have
talked about the profits of small vendors, what about his losses? What
about the f'ree fund parasites' who harrass them?

Getting clean loans and maintaining accounts for them are cumbersome.
They have to depend on money lenders who charge upto 60 % interest
because 40 % loan is never  get recovered by them. Or they are helped
by para banking. Why confine ourselves to rural areas, the venders or
pheriwalas also depend on money lenders as they cannot mortgage any
thing to get bank loans. How do you answer that? Why 'Aam AAdmi
crusaders do no take care of that?

Good to make slogan and be sensational crusaders for media hype,
please get to the roots of the problem and clean the minds and
organise dialysis of National Character.

Warm regards.

Madan Bhanot

On 3/9/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Vijaya
>
> 1) Taxes are an indirect way of raising revenue for the state as
> compared to direct revenue by providing services / selling resources.
> Nobody would seriously object / protest if taxes were used efficiently
> to achieve their stated / advertised purposes. Instead we see taxes
> being frittered away on salaries and overheads of an overstaffed
> bureaucratic machine which defies all efforts to downsize it. CAPITAL
> expenditure is financed by simply printing more and more money -
> thereby fuelling inflation and causing prices to spiral. Valuable
> State resources are sold / leased at throwaway prices to cronies.
>
> 2)  How is bribing to secure a contract not harmful to the State ?
> Since State contracts are awarded through methods like tender, bribing
> would mean that the manipulations are done well prior to the tender -
> eg the 2G scam where the criteria and process were manipulated so that
> other bidders were rejected. This directly results in lesser revenue
> to the State. Its not like a railway ticket - the price of which is a
> constant.
>
> This argument actually leads into new debate about India's "socialist"
> systems, subsidies and whether railway tickets, public hospital beds
> etc should be priced at market price like Jet Airways or Apollo
> Hospitals do.
>
> 3)  The DDA flat example is interesting.  DDA flats are sold either by
> auction or to registrants in schemes 20 to 40 years old (the victims
> of which are forever in the "Q" with no option but to accept whatever
> DDA finally dumps on them). Wise people only buy DDA flats in resale
> in the open market because the DDA is one of the biggest cheats in the
> business when it comes to quality and delivery
>
> So once again its an argument for either.a "Socialism which delivers"
> or Outright Capitalism.
>
> IAC stands for socialism.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 3/8/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Black money is generated by tax evasion which hurts the state.
>>
>> According to your definition of corruption,bribing for jumping the queue
>> to
>> get a seat in the train or admission in a school or hospital, are
>> acceptable.Extending it a little further, bribing to secure a contract
>> or
>> allotment of a DDA flat may also be acceptable as it does not hurt the
>> state
>> but persons ahead in the queue.
>> You are not only condoning corruption but making it respectable.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>

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Re: [IAC#RG] Fw: "good" BLACK Money

Dear Sir,
While I appreciate the efforts of 'Aam Admi" movement, we are
forgetting the basic factor of 'corruption of mind'. We need to carry
out 'dialysis of national character'. So that the individual becomes
clean.

The definitions and cementics of Good Black and White Black money are
all wastage of time. Today over 57% rural India is not literate. They
are gradually getting exposed to the new raelities of life. You have
talked about the profits of small vendors, what about his losses? What
about the f'ree fund parasites' who harrass them?

Getting clean loans and maintaining accounts for them are cumbersome.
They have to depend on money lenders who charge upto 60 % interest
because 40 % loan is never get recovered by them. Or they are helped
by para banking. Why confine ourselves to rural areas, the venders or
pheriwalas also depend on money lenders as they cannot mortgage any
thing to get bank loans. How do you answer that? Why 'Aam AAdmi
crusaders do no take care of that?

Good to make slogan and be sensational crusaders for media hype,
please get to the roots of the problem and clean the minds and
organise dialysis of National Character.

Warm regards.

Madan Bhanot

On 3/9/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Vijaya
>
> 1) Taxes are an indirect way of raising revenue for the state as
> compared to direct revenue by providing services / selling resources.
> Nobody would seriously object / protest if taxes were used efficiently
> to achieve their stated / advertised purposes. Instead we see taxes
> being frittered away on salaries and overheads of an overstaffed
> bureaucratic machine which defies all efforts to downsize it. CAPITAL
> expenditure is financed by simply printing more and more money -
> thereby fuelling inflation and causing prices to spiral. Valuable
> State resources are sold / leased at throwaway prices to cronies.
>
> 2) How is bribing to secure a contract not harmful to the State ?
> Since State contracts are awarded through methods like tender, bribing
> would mean that the manipulations are done well prior to the tender -
> eg the 2G scam where the criteria and process were manipulated so that
> other bidders were rejected. This directly results in lesser revenue
> to the State. Its not like a railway ticket - the price of which is a
> constant.
>
> This argument actually leads into new debate about India's "socialist"
> systems, subsidies and whether railway tickets, public hospital beds
> etc should be priced at market price like Jet Airways or Apollo
> Hospitals do.
>
> 3) The DDA flat example is interesting. DDA flats are sold either by
> auction or to registrants in schemes 20 to 40 years old (the victims
> of which are forever in the "Q" with no option but to accept whatever
> DDA finally dumps on them). Wise people only buy DDA flats in resale
> in the open market because the DDA is one of the biggest cheats in the
> business when it comes to quality and delivery
>
> So once again its an argument for either.a "Socialism which delivers"
> or Outright Capitalism.
>
> IAC stands for socialism.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 3/8/13, Vijaya Singh <vijayasingh2006@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Black money is generated by tax evasion which hurts the state.
>>
>> According to your definition of corruption,bribing for jumping the queue
>> to
>> get a seat in the train or admission in a school or hospital, are
>> acceptable.Extending it a little further, bribing to secure a contract
>> or
>> allotment of a DDA flat may also be acceptable as it does not hurt the
>> state
>> but persons ahead in the queue.
>> You are not only condoning corruption but making it respectable.
>> Regards,
>> Vijaya Singh
>