Hum Janenge: 7/10/11

Saturday, July 16, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Dear Hemant

Your points are fallacious for the following reasons.

1) Your email of 9:38 (Pakistan Standard Time) was posted to the group immediately at 9:08 (Indian Standard Time), this can be verified at the link I sent you.

2) As we have openly stated when the email pressure to this group is excessive the moderators intervene to ensure that members are not flooded with emails well beyond this groups limit of about 10 emails per day (300 per month).

3) The prime cause of members leaving / unsubscribing is because of too many emails in their inbox. If the moderators must choose between retaining members and allowing emails, we have decided to retain members.

4) The moderators realise that new members / first time posters to this list require time to adjust / align to our group's established norms and practice. As such we extend "newbies" considerable leeway in posting whilst reminding them of group's norms / nettquette

5) Finally, this group like the REPUBLIC of India is NOT a democracy. We are a benign dictatorship where the moderators occasionally behave arbitrarily.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:

Ya, like the government which decides what information is to be given and what not (based on the good internal interest). Or like having a GOVT. BABU attitude, "take this or leave, but I wont think about your problem/view a bit"

Also instead of insisting that I leave the group, why can't people like you understand that there are other people who also have to communicate their views to people like me who are not the lawyers or highly intelligent circus ring masters.

As far as I know, my view was published though late, after exercising my "(notional) rights to free speech on this group"

Also may I know who decides what is madness of the crowd or the wisdom of the crowd? As this if decided by a person, has individual view and has a biased outcome.

My simple request is/was/will be only that please when you are allowing the views of a typical view, then allow all the different type of views of the same topic to be discussed. Do not block other or radically different views.

I have been moderating some other groups, I also understand the problem, but I never have interfered with those views which are opposite to mine. (Though I block the spam.)

As these different views are the real essence of the crowd's knowledge. which people may decide for wisdom or madness.

I would like to stop this thread as you are a lawyer and you will continue the replying with sentences more words and less meanings and a custom made " If you disagree with even a single one of these points you are free to
leave this facility. ."

Regards,

Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar

Re: Re: [HumJanenge] delay in courts

Dear all,

I would request every RTI activist to take a decision to file a RTI petitton in court. I had filed several of them and do not fear.Being a RTI petitioner you are generally out of clutches of these judges as you are not litigant.

I feel this judiciary is one of the field where RTI can be used to make them accountable.

Another is our ass4mblies and parliamnets . There they make laws but most of them violates it. Do you believe that n July 2011, west bengal assembly says that they cannot made decaltrations u/s 4 because computerisation is yet to be complated !

You may ask ( suggestion)

How many each judge solved the cases , why High courts have not made decalrations u/s4 a, etc.

In case you get any breakthrough in judicial field please post it .

rgds

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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Captain benival & All HJ Members.

I remeber one PIL for increasing the no of Judjes to 5 fold, as per recommendation of Law Commission.This requiremebnts are based on population of the country.PIL is filed by Mumbai based Lawer of one NGO called as Forum for Fast Justice.

One member in my co op hsg society of Mumbai,has filled dispute in Co Op Court No.IV of Mumbai,in the year 2002 under reference No 403/2002.But no dicisionis deliverd till date.

Co operative courts of Mumbai are so much corrupt.

Althogh High Court of Mumbai have computerised system of records and information, many district courts and co opertative courts have not computerised their sysems.

AS PER MY INFORMATION OBTAINED UNEDR RTI ACT amount of Rs150/- crores

allocated in the budget for computersiation in courts for the 2008-09 have not been utilised .

( HC was supposed to be operate the fund).

In co opertative courts of Mumbai even.appellate authorities under RTI Act are not appointed.

Pl advise.

Thanks.

Pravin M Dali.

-- On Sat, 16/7/11, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 16 July, 2011, 7:38 AM

If I may add what rohatgi has said is -that all courts including SC must be open on the dates as the govt. offices open and not go on holidays like schools. Long Holidays were taken by the colonial judges to visit thier homes in England. "We the people" can not afford such holidays and go on adding the pendency of cases. The unfortunate situation is that All the servants are deciding what they will provide to the masters"" we the people"" and taking away from our exchequre what ever they want, without asking we the people and they all behave as Masters.

--- On Fri, 15/7/11, umesh rohatgi <rurohatgi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: umesh rohatgi <rurohatgi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "sroy.mb@gmail.com" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 6:11 PM

the delay in court can be handled soon and very simply.
1. Ask courts to be self sufficient means raise your own income in order to pay for your self no public subsidy.
2. second after two dates pay another court fees.
3. like in Gujarat have two sessions per day one from 7am to 3pm and other from 3 pm to 11pm.
4. judges should not be permanent only be elected for five year or four year term, in order to be reelected they had be prove efficient.
5. they should be asked to spend at least eight hours in courts per day like any other public servant.
6. Judges office staff should not allowed to interact with public at any time. if they do than their job must be taken away after three such instances, no mercy. and they should have llb passed assistants for writing the judgement.
7. jury system be adopted where as every adult should be required to appear, more public involvement and public be paid some allowance .
8. No permanent judges and their staff. more dead weight and permananncy brings more stagnation and no accountability to public.
there need to be Garaos of these permanent judges if they are not performing as per set standards.
with two paisa woth of my opinion.
umesh rashmi rohatgi

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Capt Beniwal

1) If a matter is admitted by the SC they almost invariably pass a
reasoned order.
2) Many a times matters are not admitted and disposed off at the
thresh hold. At such time there is no need to go into the law.

The PRIME problem with Indian courts is LITIGANTS. ... POOR QUALITY
LITIGANTS who have no business being in the courts in the first place.
Everything else (corrupt lawyers, corrupt judges, endemic delays,
corrupt registries etc etc flows from this )

Having been a veteran of pleading my own case in courts for almost 30
years now ("from traffic court to Supreme Court) I can say truthfully
that there is a great change taking place in the Courts BUT what to do
about POOR QUALITY LITIGANTS who only want to ABUSE THE LEGAL PROCESS
and cause GREAT DELAY.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 6:41 am, capt beniwal <trident...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Even supreme court judges do what you have said. Many of them are Law to themselves and DO NOT give any reason as to under whic law the case is decided.
>
> --- On Fri, 15/7/11, Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] delay in courts
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 5:14 AM
>
> There are still other (Shocking) reasons for delays in courts. Yes, it is the "honble" "judges" themselves.
> I have limited but sad direct experience of courts and "judges." Most of the "judges" themselseves go against the law. For instance, the Consumer Protection Act suggests that a non-complicated case should be disposed off in about 5 months, and that ordinarily no adjournment should be allowed, and if any is allowed, the reasons should be recorded in writing and costs of at least Rs. 500 should be awarded. However, most cases drag on for years, because the "judges" allow multiple adjournments on the flimsiest of grounds, without recording reasons in writing, and without allowing costs contrary to law.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Ya, like the government which decides what information is to be given and what not (based on the good internal interest). Or like having a GOVT. BABU attitude, "take this or leave, but I wont think about your problem/view a bit"

Also instead of insisting that I leave the group, why can't people like you understand that there are other people who also have to communicate their views to people like me who are not the lawyers or highly intelligent circus ring masters.

As far as I know, my view was published though late, after exercising my "(notional) rights to free speech on this group"

Also may I know who decides what is madness of the crowd or the wisdom of the crowd? As this if decided by a person, has individual view and has a biased outcome.

My simple request is/was/will be only that please when you are allowing the views of a typical view, then allow all the different type of views of the same topic to be discussed. Do not block other or radically different views.

I have been moderating some other groups, I also understand the problem, but I never have interfered with those views which are opposite to mine. (Though I block the spam.)

As these different views are the real essence of the crowd's knowledge. which people may decide for wisdom or madness.

I would like to stop this thread as you are a lawyer and you will continue the replying with sentences more words and less meanings and a custom made " If you disagree with even a single one of these points you are free to
leave this facility. ."

Regards,

Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Hemant

1) People are on this group to get benefit of collective wisdom (ie.
"wisdom of crowds" aka "madness of crowds").

2) The moderators are only ringmasters in this circus, occasionally
cracking their whip (censorship) and exerting their moral authority
for the BENEFIT of the group as a whole.

3) If all 4,000 members insisted on simultaneously exercising their
(notional) rights to free speech on this group (like you have) there
would be chaos.

4) The PRIME FOCUS at this group is a balanced flow of emails to
further the RIGHT TO INFORMATION (RTI) of our members as RESPONSIBLE
CITIZENS. The rules / guidelines for this group are very well known
and publicised.

If you disagree with even a single one of these points you are free to
leave this facility.

Sarbajit.

On Jul 16, 7:48 am, "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar"

<hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your communication is same as dictatorship "with your absolute right"and you
> are becoming the same as what you/we/group are fighting against.
>
> Regards,
> Hemant Kshirsagar
>

Re: [HumJanenge] CPIO of Delhi MCD Penalized Rs.25,000/-

Dear Mr. Manoj

Thanks for circulating the case. In fact, I was present in the
hearing, as I had gone to meet Shailesh Gandhi during that time .
Mr. Gandhi requested me to wait for few minutes. I enjoyed his
hearing of this case and the logic put by him with reference to
sections of RTI Act. Though the said officer sought apology and
persuaded him not to impose penalty , Mr. Gandhi remained stubborn
and imposed penalty.

Regards
Pradip Pradhan
RTI Activist, Orissa

On 7/14/11, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In a recent decision dated 13th July, 2011, for the delay in providing
> information "has been for over 100 days the Commission imposes the maximum
> penalty of `25000/- on Mr. N. C. Sharma, PIO & SE-I."
>
> Check link for full decision
>
> http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_A_2011_001166_12959Penalty_T_60468.pdf
>
> Manoj
>

Friday, July 15, 2011

[HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Dear Hemant

1) People are on this group to get benefit of collective wisdom (ie.
"wisdom of crowds" aka "madness of crowds").

2) The moderators are only ringmasters in this circus, occasionally
cracking their whip (censorship) and exerting their moral authority
for the BENEFIT of the group as a whole.

3) If all 4,000 members insisted on simultaneously exercising their
(notional) rights to free speech on this group (like you have) there
would be chaos.

4) The PRIME FOCUS at this group is a balanced flow of emails to
further the RIGHT TO INFORMATION (RTI) of our members as RESPONSIBLE
CITIZENS. The rules / guidelines for this group are very well known
and publicised.

If you disagree with even a single one of these points you are free to
leave this facility.

Sarbajit.

On Jul 16, 7:48 am, "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar"
<hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your communication is same as dictatorship "with your absolute right"and you
> are becoming the same as what you/we/group are fighting against.
>
> Regards,
> Hemant Kshirsagar
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Your communication is same as dictatorship "with your absolute right"and you are becoming the same as what you/we/group are fighting against.

Regards,
Hemant Kshirsagar

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Hemant

1) It is the absolute right of moderators to decide what is circulated
(and what is not). To ensure consistency we have regularly circulated
our group's regulations. Also, I am not the only moderator of this
group.

2) Secondly, the email you refer WAS circulated to the group. It is
also readable on the website of this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/8388c34ed3d0a84

3) If you are unhappy, you can always request to be unsubscribed,
which requests we comply with scrupulously.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 2:24 pm, "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar"

<hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Mr, Sarbarjit,
>
> I had mailed the group last at 09 38 pm attached below, you have not
> included the same on the Group? Also later you are insisting that only
> related mails to RTI should be posted.
>
> But nonetheless you are allowing people to comment on the thread, which as
> per your comments is out of the scope from RTI and at 11:38 pm is the last
> post that too not mine.
>
> *The only thing that interests me is be equal for all. And moderators should
> not be of double standards.*
>
> Regards,
>
> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>

> Cc: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justic...@gmail.com>
>
> To Mr. Judge,
>
> This is a simple thing, people like you have a stance for a diplomatic
> answer for all the questions when you are asked such questions.
>
> May I ask why the Mr. Kasab is still alive with the Jail/taxpayers money by
> your fraternity???
>
> Also when are you going to sentence such person to death row ??
>
> No, the only answer you may give is armed resistance should be avoided..
>
> What Army does? What Police does? What Judicial does? I pay taxes but I may
> be attacked and if I reply or say that I want to attack, people like you say
> that such should not be done?? Were are you when justice is denied.
>
> Religion Apart if the you are lame then any one will attack us and not you..
> (you are protected with government money).
>
> It is a shame for all!!
>
> Shame Judge. Don't go behind the Muslims and their ideologies.
>
> Do your job FAST and ASAP
>

> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Hemant
>
> > In the past 12 hours, only you have been posting to this thread.
>
> > The purpose of this group / mailing list is
>
> > 1) RTI discussion
> > 2) Better informed and responsible citizenry
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <

> > hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Well Moderators, I want an answer for this, are you going to stop the
> >> thread or irrelevant thread below? as you are showing double standards for
> >> the same.
>
> >> I require that we all should be treated equally.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <

> >> hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear Moderators,
>
> >>> Kindly can you stop this thread? as you yourself have said that this is
> >>> for the discussion about only RTI and not anything else.
>
> >>> There should be uniform standards for all.
>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hemant
>

> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Ram Kumar <rkat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> These comments by Gen.Chauhan & Justice Nath are so true that there
> >>>> are small coteries operating behind these gangs.
> >>>> Regards R.K.Atri
>

> >>>> On 7/14/11, Sainiksangh <g...@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> > -----with due respects Justice Nath
> >>>> > the Hindu mind set was never designed by almight to be any thing
> >>>> else than
> >>>> > be seeing salvation in submitting! Hindu never understook any armed
> >>>> > struggle that I know of.This is the secret of Hindu survival! Tulsidas
> >>>> when
> >>>> > asked how he can tolerate being a subject of mlechch just remarked
> >>>> 'hame ka
> >>>> > hani koee nrip hove'. To a Hindu the path of moksha is the ultimate
> >>>> goal for
> >>>> > which he looks to middlemen as guides ! Hindu downfall has been this
> >>>> > brahmanical philosophy which is so convenient to build followers . One
> >>>> has
> >>>> > been amazed how successfully this galvanises people to coalsece behind
> >>>> > individuals who then decide the primacy in life's journey . Then
> >>>> country
> >>>> > ,nation ,duty ,honour etc become unimportant. To cite many of our
> >>>> Generals
> >>>> > used to flock at the feet of the late Sai Baba looking for salvation-
> >>>> > promotions etc, when they aught to have been fitting out for battle
> >>>> and
> >>>> > present elsewhere ! How he amassed wealth and was a liability to
> >>>> national
> >>>> > security is another story. This is why the Hindu had no nation state
> >>>> or a
> >>>> > country or an army ! A historical truth with unbroken consistency and
> >>>> bane
> >>>> > of this society. The Hinduatva creed only proved a step ahead . Hindu
> >>>> unlike
> >>>> > the white race cannot thus fit into any corrective machinery to
> >>>> improve
> >>>> > human community. He is an individulist (as a religion) , thus
> >>>> constantly
> >>>> > engaged in own self in pursuit of wealth and status which cannot get
> >>>> him
> >>>> > moksha anyway. Which is why Hindu slogan is 'kaun banega krorepati' (
> >>>> > compare this with what the German young were drilled -Germany over all
> >>>> , not
> >>>> > that even after losing two wars they worse off than Hindus) ! Can one
> >>>> expect
> >>>> > any society which has money as the threshold of motivation being
> >>>> anything
> >>>> > but a slave to greed and to everything that this brings ! Which is why
> >>>> Hindu
> >>>> > is so philosophising, embracing any, many or none of ideas and
> >>>> thoughts on
> >>>> > human values as per conveneience , fatalist, unmoving to misery and
> >>>> sqauler
> >>>> > , incensitive to right or wrong , evading action,submisive , opulent
> >>>> and
> >>>> > ostentatious , uncaring about his surroundings , bereft of pride and
> >>>> self
> >>>> > esteem . With this background he has taken up an illusionary mission
> >>>> of
> >>>> > fighting corruption when corruption is embedded in Hindu veins right
> >>>> from
> >>>> > birth from temple rituals to grooming. In the light of this I think
> >>>> your
> >>>> > suggestion is most appropriate. The anti corruption war itself will
> >>>> vanish
> >>>> > very soon as it merges with election activity and these messiahs Anna
> >>>> and
> >>>> > the Baba settle down in their political camps.
> >>>> > regards
> >>>> > chauhan
>
> >>>> > Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:18 AM
> >>>> > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell
> >>>> the
> >>>> > powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate
> >>>> themselves
> >>>> > what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of
> >>>> Hatred,
> >>>> > 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim
> >>>> > themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace
> >>>> but
> >>>> > indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have
> >>>> never
> >>>> > elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who! Administratively,
> >>>> has
> >>>> > the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements
> >>>> amongst
> >>>> > the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes,
> >>>> where
> >>>> > and with what results? Or do minorities continue to be their
> >>>> specially
> >>>> > protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick
> >>>> enough to
> >>>> > act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4th &
> >>>> 5th
> >>>> > June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi,
> >>>> but
> >>>> > has no capacity -perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements.
> >>>> People
> >>>> > must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.
>
> >>>> > KN
>
> >>>> > From the Desk of :
>
> >>>> > Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
> >>>> > Retd.
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
> >>>> > Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
> >>>> > Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
> >>>> > Address
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar
> >>>> Pradesh,
> >>>> > India
>
> >>>> > Phone(s)
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>> > From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> >>>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> >>>> > Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all
> >>>> those
> >>>> > politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.
>
> >>>> > I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"
>
> >>>> > Is it a time for an armed struggle?
>
> >>>> > Abhijit
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from my mobile device
>
> >>>> Best Regards
>
> >>>> R K Atri
>
> >>>> F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
> >>>> Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
> >>>> Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Friends

Reading the emails on this thread (and also other similar threads) I am reminded of the saying

"If wishes were horses beggars would ride"

Simply put, wishful thinking about Utopian solutions is a complete waste of time and should be indulged in outside of this group / mailing list.

PS: Members are requested to "trim" their emails ---> This means please delete all irrelevant text from previous emails when you press the "REPLY" button in your browser.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 7:38 AM, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

If I may add what rohatgi has said is -that all courts including SC must be open on the dates as the govt. offices open and not go on holidays like schools. Long Holidays were taken by the colonial judges to visit thier homes in England. "We the people" can not afford such holidays and go on adding the pendency of cases. The unfortunate situation is that All the servants are deciding what they will provide to the masters"" we the people"" and taking away from our exchequre what ever they want, without asking we the people and they all behave as Masters.

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

If I may add what rohatgi has said is -that all courts including SC must be open on the dates as the govt. offices open and not go on holidays like schools. Long Holidays were taken by the colonial judges to visit thier homes in England. "We the people" can not afford such holidays and go on adding the pendency of cases. The unfortunate situation is that All the servants are deciding what they will provide to the masters"" we the people"" and taking away from our exchequre what ever they want, without asking we the people and they all behave as Masters.

--- On Fri, 15/7/11, umesh rohatgi <rurohatgi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: umesh rohatgi <rurohatgi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "sroy.mb@gmail.com" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 6:11 PM

the delay in court can be handled soon and very simply.
1. Ask courts to be self sufficient means raise your own income in order to pay for your self no public subsidy.
2. second after two dates pay another court fees.
3. like in Gujarat have two sessions per day one from 7am to 3pm and other from 3 pm to 11pm.
4. judges should not be permanent only be elected for five year or four year term, in order to be reelected they had be prove efficient.
5. they should be asked to spend at least eight hours in courts per day like any other public servant.
6. Judges office staff should not allowed to interact with public at any time. if they do than their job must be taken away after three such instances, no mercy. and they should have llb passed assistants for writing the judgement.
7. jury system be adopted where as every adult should be required to appear, more public involvement and public be paid some allowance .
8. No permanent judges and their staff. more dead weight and permananncy brings more stagnation and no accountability to public.
there need to be Garaos of these permanent judges if they are not performing as per set standards.
with two paisa woth of my opinion.
umesh rashmi rohatgi

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Capt Beniwal

1) If a matter is admitted by the SC they almost invariably pass a
reasoned order.
2) Many a times matters are not admitted and disposed off at the
thresh hold. At such time there is no need to go into the law.

The PRIME problem with Indian courts is LITIGANTS. ... POOR QUALITY
LITIGANTS who have no business being in the courts in the first place.
Everything else (corrupt lawyers, corrupt judges, endemic delays,
corrupt registries etc etc flows from this )

Having been a veteran of pleading my own case in courts for almost 30
years now ("from traffic court to Supreme Court) I can say truthfully
that there is a great change taking place in the Courts BUT what to do
about POOR QUALITY LITIGANTS who only want to ABUSE THE LEGAL PROCESS
and cause GREAT DELAY.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 6:41 am, capt beniwal <trident...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Even supreme court judges do what you have said. Many of them are Law to themselves and DO NOT give any reason as to under whic law the case is decided.
>
> --- On Fri, 15/7/11, Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] delay in courts
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 5:14 AM
>
> There are still other (Shocking) reasons for delays in courts. Yes, it is the "honble" "judges" themselves.
> I have limited but sad direct experience of courts and "judges." Most of the "judges" themselseves go against the law. For instance, the Consumer Protection Act suggests that a non-complicated case should be disposed off in about 5 months, and that ordinarily no adjournment should be allowed, and if any is allowed, the reasons should be recorded in writing and costs of at least Rs. 500 should be awarded. However, most cases drag on for years, because the "judges" allow multiple adjournments on the flimsiest of grounds, without recording reasons in writing, and without allowing costs contrary to law.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

There is no doubt about the attitude and approach of our politicians, It is time that rather than being arm chair critics some of us take on to politics and assist in cleansing the system. If not we should at least be cautious for whom we vote.

Brig (Retd) Rajan Minocha

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Hemant

1) It is the absolute right of moderators to decide what is circulated
(and what is not). To ensure consistency we have regularly circulated
our group's regulations. Also, I am not the only moderator of this
group.

2) Secondly, the email you refer WAS circulated to the group. It is
also readable on the website of this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/8388c34ed3d0a84

3) If you are unhappy, you can always request to be unsubscribed,
which requests we comply with scrupulously.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 2:24 pm, "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar"

<hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Mr, Sarbarjit,
>
> I had mailed the group last at 09 38 pm attached below, you have not
> included the same on the Group? Also later you are insisting that only
> related mails to RTI should be posted.
>
> But nonetheless you are allowing people to comment on the thread, which as
> per your comments is out of the scope from RTI and at 11:38 pm is the last
> post that too not mine.
>
> *The only thing that interests me is be equal for all. And moderators should
> not be of double standards.*
>
> Regards,
>
> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>

> Cc: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justic...@gmail.com>
>
> To Mr. Judge,
>
> This is a simple thing, people like you have a stance for a diplomatic
> answer for all the questions when you are asked such questions.
>
> May I ask why the Mr. Kasab is still alive with the Jail/taxpayers money by
> your fraternity???
>
> Also when are you going to sentence such person to death row ??
>
> No, the only answer you may give is armed resistance should be avoided..
>
> What Army does? What Police does? What Judicial does? I pay taxes but I may
> be attacked and if I reply or say that I want to attack, people like you say
> that such should not be done?? Were are you when justice is denied.
>
> Religion Apart if the you are lame then any one will attack us and not you..
> (you are protected with government money).
>
> It is a shame for all!!
>
> Shame Judge. Don't go behind the Muslims and their ideologies.
>
> Do your job FAST and ASAP
>

> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Hemant
>
> > In the past 12 hours, only you have been posting to this thread.
>
> > The purpose of this group / mailing list is
>
> > 1) RTI discussion
> > 2) Better informed and responsible citizenry
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <

> > hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Well Moderators, I want an answer for this, are you going to stop the
> >> thread or irrelevant thread below? as you are showing double standards for
> >> the same.
>
> >> I require that we all should be treated equally.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <

> >> hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear Moderators,
>
> >>> Kindly can you stop this thread? as you yourself have said that this is
> >>> for the discussion about only RTI and not anything else.
>
> >>> There should be uniform standards for all.
>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hemant
>

> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Ram Kumar <rkat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> These comments by Gen.Chauhan & Justice Nath are so true that there
> >>>> are small coteries operating behind these gangs.
> >>>> Regards R.K.Atri
>

> >>>> On 7/14/11, Sainiksangh <g...@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> > -----with due respects Justice Nath
> >>>> > the Hindu mind set was never designed by almight to be any thing
> >>>> else than
> >>>> > be seeing salvation in submitting! Hindu never understook any armed
> >>>> > struggle that I know of.This is the secret of Hindu survival! Tulsidas
> >>>> when
> >>>> > asked how he can tolerate being a subject of mlechch just remarked
> >>>> 'hame ka
> >>>> > hani koee nrip hove'. To a Hindu the path of moksha is the ultimate
> >>>> goal for
> >>>> > which he looks to middlemen as guides ! Hindu downfall has been this
> >>>> > brahmanical philosophy which is so convenient to build followers . One
> >>>> has
> >>>> > been amazed how successfully this galvanises people to coalsece behind
> >>>> > individuals who then decide the primacy in life's journey . Then
> >>>> country
> >>>> > ,nation ,duty ,honour etc become unimportant. To cite many of our
> >>>> Generals
> >>>> > used to flock at the feet of the late Sai Baba looking for salvation-
> >>>> > promotions etc, when they aught to have been fitting out for battle
> >>>> and
> >>>> > present elsewhere ! How he amassed wealth and was a liability to
> >>>> national
> >>>> > security is another story. This is why the Hindu had no nation state
> >>>> or a
> >>>> > country or an army ! A historical truth with unbroken consistency and
> >>>> bane
> >>>> > of this society. The Hinduatva creed only proved a step ahead . Hindu
> >>>> unlike
> >>>> > the white race cannot thus fit into any corrective machinery to
> >>>> improve
> >>>> > human community. He is an individulist (as a religion) , thus
> >>>> constantly
> >>>> > engaged in own self in pursuit of wealth and status which cannot get
> >>>> him
> >>>> > moksha anyway. Which is why Hindu slogan is 'kaun banega krorepati' (
> >>>> > compare this with what the German young were drilled -Germany over all
> >>>> , not
> >>>> > that even after losing two wars they worse off than Hindus) ! Can one
> >>>> expect
> >>>> > any society which has money as the threshold of motivation being
> >>>> anything
> >>>> > but a slave to greed and to everything that this brings ! Which is why
> >>>> Hindu
> >>>> > is so philosophising, embracing any, many or none of ideas and
> >>>> thoughts on
> >>>> > human values as per conveneience , fatalist, unmoving to misery and
> >>>> sqauler
> >>>> > , incensitive to right or wrong , evading action,submisive , opulent
> >>>> and
> >>>> > ostentatious , uncaring about his surroundings , bereft of pride and
> >>>> self
> >>>> > esteem . With this background he has taken up an illusionary mission
> >>>> of
> >>>> > fighting corruption when corruption is embedded in Hindu veins right
> >>>> from
> >>>> > birth from temple rituals to grooming. In the light of this I think
> >>>> your
> >>>> > suggestion is most appropriate. The anti corruption war itself will
> >>>> vanish
> >>>> > very soon as it merges with election activity and these messiahs Anna
> >>>> and
> >>>> > the Baba settle down in their political camps.
> >>>> > regards
> >>>> > chauhan
>
> >>>> > Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:18 AM
> >>>> > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell
> >>>> the
> >>>> > powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate
> >>>> themselves
> >>>> > what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of
> >>>> Hatred,
> >>>> > 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim
> >>>> > themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace
> >>>> but
> >>>> > indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have
> >>>> never
> >>>> > elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who! Administratively,
> >>>> has
> >>>> > the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements
> >>>> amongst
> >>>> > the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes,
> >>>> where
> >>>> > and with what results? Or do minorities continue to be their
> >>>> specially
> >>>> > protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick
> >>>> enough to
> >>>> > act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4th &
> >>>> 5th
> >>>> > June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi,
> >>>> but
> >>>> > has no capacity -perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements.
> >>>> People
> >>>> > must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.
>
> >>>> > KN
>
> >>>> > From the Desk of :
>
> >>>> > Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
> >>>> > Retd.
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
> >>>> > Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
> >>>> > Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
> >>>> > Address
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar
> >>>> Pradesh,
> >>>> > India
>
> >>>> > Phone(s)
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>> > From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> >>>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> >>>> > Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all
> >>>> those
> >>>> > politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.
>
> >>>> > I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"
>
> >>>> > Is it a time for an armed struggle?
>
> >>>> > Abhijit
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from my mobile device
>
> >>>> Best Regards
>
> >>>> R K Atri
>
> >>>> F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
> >>>> Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
> >>>> Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518

Re: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

it was not only Gandhi ji because of him we get freedom.The bigger role was played by our krantikaries or we can say deciding factor to leave the country by british was due to thes krantikaries.now this country needs again a kranti to abolish these machine who is ruling.It is seen that this govt. is not at all concerned with the feelings of its people it does not care for any agitation.It acts at his own will like dictators.Even govt sector is also doing the same.The whole motive is self benefit of netas and senior officials.

From: Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com; Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

NOTHING WILL CHANGE AS LONG AS ONLY THE AAM JANTA GETS KILLED.

EVERY THING WILL CHANGE WHEN NETA OR BABU SUFFERERS, AS THE AAM JANTA.

Thanks for your time.

Best Wishes.

Parvez Jamasji

http://www.google.com/profiles/Parvez1942?hl=en

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com./IAF/Database/9834.

http://twiter.com/parvezj

E : parvez1942@yahoo.com
: parvezjamasji@hotmail.com

Tel : 91-22-2412 1656 > 9 am to 9 pm = GMT + 5 1/2 hrs.
Mob : 91 - 9820813951 \ 98201 88926
Minoo Mansion, 799 J J Road, Dadar, Bombay - 400 014, India

--- On Thu, 14/7/11, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 14 July, 2011, 11:18 AM

Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell the powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate themselves what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of Hatred, 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace but indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have never elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who! Administratively, has the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements amongst the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes, where and with what results? Or do minorities continue to be their specially protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick enough to act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4^th & 5^th June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi , but has no capacity –perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements. People must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.

KN

From the Desk of :
Justice Kamleshwar Nath

Retd.

:

Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
Vice Chairman – C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
Judge – High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )

Address

:

`Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh , India

Phone(s)

:

+91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746

From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto: humjanenge@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.

I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"

Is it a time for an armed struggle?

Abhijit

RE: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Mr. Ramesh,

Your suggestions to reduce delay in court cases are well intended.

Let us understand that this problem is offshoot of Widespread Corruption in the system and divide of "Rich Corrupt India" and
"Poor Real India". Politicians, bureaucrats and majority of members of judiciary appear to have become purchasable commodities
by the rich including builders and realtors.

INCREASING THE INTEREST/PENALTY RATE

Out of many solutions, one easily workable solution is reforming of some laws. That is when the builders don't give possession of the
Property to the purchasers, the High Courts or Competition Appellate Tribunal should impose penalty interest @ of 24% or 30%
as the builders charge. Ministry of Corporate Affairs and other concernede Ministries must take this step which will definitely reduce
the number of cases to half or one fourth.

Similarly, RTI Act, 2005 must change the Section 20(1) of the Act. Instead of Rs. 25,000/- maximum penalty, it should be made equal to
two months salary of PIO who delay the information or give intentionally wrong and misleading information. This would stop delaying the
supply of sought information.

DR. HARI DEV GOYAL
INDIAN ECONOMIC SERVICE (1968 BATCH)
Former Professor of Economics in LBS National
Academy of Adeministration, Mussoorie &
Planning and investment Advisor, United Nations

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:41:02 -0700
From: rurohatgi@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
CC: sroy.mb@gmail.com

the delay in court can be handled soon and very simply.

1. Ask courts to be self sufficient means raise your own income in order to pay for your self no public subsidy.

2. second after two dates pay another court fees.

3. like in Gujarat have two sessions per day one from 7am to 3pm and other from 3 pm to 11pm.

4. judges should not be permanent only be elected for five year or four year term, in order to be reelected they had be prove efficient.

5. they should be asked to spend at least eight hours in courts per day like any other public servant.

6. Judges office staff should not allowed to interact with public at any time. if they do than their job must be taken away after three such instances, no mercy. and they should have llb passed assistants for writing the judgement.

7. jury system be adopted where as every adult should be required to appear, more public involvement and public be paid some allowance .

8. No permanent judges and their staff. more dead weight and permananncy brings more stagnation and no accountability to public.

there need to be Garaos of these permanent judges if they are not performing as per set standards.

with two paisa woth of my opinion.

umesh rashmi rohatgi

From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

Dear Capt Beniwal

1) If a matter is admitted by the SC they almost invariably pass a
reasoned order.
2) Many a times matters are not admitted and disposed off at the
thresh hold. At such time there is no need to go into the law.

The PRIME problem with Indian courts is LITIGANTS. ... POOR QUALITY
LITIGANTS who have no business being in the courts in the first place.
Everything else (corrupt lawyers, corrupt judges, endemic delays,
corrupt registries etc etc flows from this )

Having been a veteran of pleading my own case in courts for almost 30
years now ("from traffic court to Supreme Court) I can say truthfully
that there is a great change taking place in the Courts BUT what to do
about POOR QUALITY LITIGANTS who only want to ABUSE THE LEGAL PROCESS
and cause GREAT DELAY.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 6:41 am, capt beniwal <trident...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Even supreme court judges do what you have said. Many of them are Law to themselves and DO NOT give any reason as to under whic law the case is decided.
>
> --- On Fri, 15/7/11, Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vijay Kapoor <vijay99kap...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] delay in courts
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 5:14 AM
>
> There are still other (Shocking) reasons for delays in courts. Yes, it is the "honble" "judges" themselves.
> I have limited but sad direct experience of courts and "judges." Most of the "judges" themselseves go against the law. For instance, the Consumer Protection Act suggests that a non-complicated case should be disposed off in about 5 months, and that ordinarily no adjournment should be allowed, and if any is allowed, the reasons should be recorded in writing and costs of at least Rs. 500 should be awarded. However, most cases drag on for years, because the "judges" allow multiple adjournments on the flimsiest of grounds, without recording reasons in writing, and without allowing costs contrary to law.
>

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: delay in courts

the delay in court can be handled soon and very simply.

1. Ask courts to be self sufficient means raise your own income in order to pay for your self no public subsidy.

2. second after two dates pay another court fees.

3. like in Gujarat have two sessions per day one from 7am to 3pm and other from 3 pm to 11pm.

4. judges should not be permanent only be elected for five year or four year term, in order to be reelected they had be prove efficient.

5. they should be asked to spend at least eight hours in courts per day like any other public servant.

7. jury system be adopted where as every adult should be required to appear, more public involvement and public be paid some allowance .

8. No permanent judges and their staff. more dead weight and permananncy brings more stagnation and no accountability to public.

there need to be Garaos of these permanent judges if they are not performing as per set standards.

with two paisa woth of my opinion.

umesh rashmi rohatgi

[HumJanenge] Re: BOMBAY BLASTS !!!

Dear Mr Hemant

1) It is the absolute right of moderators to decide what is circulated
(and what is not). To ensure consistency we have regularly circulated
our group's regulations. Also, I am not the only moderator of this
group.

2) Secondly, the email you refer WAS circulated to the group. It is
also readable on the website of this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/8388c34ed3d0a84

3) If you are unhappy, you can always request to be unsubscribed,
which requests we comply with scrupulously.

Sarbajit

On Jul 15, 2:24 pm, "Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar"
<hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well Mr, Sarbarjit,
>
> I had mailed the group last at 09 38 pm attached below, you have not
> included the same on the Group? Also later you are insisting that only
> related mails to RTI should be posted.
>
> But nonetheless you are allowing people to comment on the thread, which as
> per your comments is out of the scope from RTI and at 11:38 pm is the last
> post that too not mine.
>
> *The only thing that interests me is be equal for all. And moderators should
> not be of double standards.*
>
> Regards,
>
> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: II RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> Cc: Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justic...@gmail.com>
>
> To Mr. Judge,
>
> This is a simple thing, people like you have a stance for a diplomatic
> answer for all the questions when you are asked such questions.
>
> May I ask why the Mr. Kasab is still alive with the Jail/taxpayers money by
> your fraternity???
>
> Also when are you going to sentence such person to death row ??
>
> No, the only answer you may give is armed resistance should be avoided..
>
> What Army does? What Police does? What Judicial does? I pay taxes but I may
> be attacked and if I reply or say that I want to attack, people like you say
> that such should not be done?? Were are you when justice is denied.
>
> Religion Apart if the you are lame then any one will attack us and not you..
> (you are protected with government money).
>
> It is a shame for all!!
>
> Shame Judge. Don't go behind the Muslims and their ideologies.
>
> Do your job FAST and ASAP
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Hemant
>
> > In the past 12 hours, only you have been posting to this thread.
>
> > The purpose of this group / mailing list is
>
> > 1) RTI discussion
> > 2) Better informed and responsible citizenry
>
> > Sarbajit
>
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
> > hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Well Moderators, I want an answer for this, are you going to stop the
> >> thread or irrelevant thread below? as you are showing double standards for
> >> the same.
>
> >> I require that we all should be treated equally.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Hemant Kshirsagar
>
> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
> >> hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear Moderators,
>
> >>> Kindly can you stop this thread? as you yourself have said that this is
> >>> for the discussion about only RTI and not anything else.
>
> >>> There should be uniform standards for all.
>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hemant
>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Ram Kumar <rkat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> These comments by Gen.Chauhan & Justice Nath are so true that there
> >>>> are small coteries operating behind these gangs.
> >>>> Regards R.K.Atri
>
> >>>> On 7/14/11, Sainiksangh <g...@sainiksangh.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> > -----with due respects Justice Nath
> >>>> > the Hindu mind set was never designed by almight to be any thing
> >>>> else than
> >>>> > be seeing salvation in submitting! Hindu never understook any armed
> >>>> > struggle that I know of.This is the secret of Hindu survival! Tulsidas
> >>>> when
> >>>> > asked how he can tolerate being a subject of mlechch just remarked
> >>>> 'hame ka
> >>>> > hani koee nrip hove'. To a Hindu the path of moksha is the ultimate
> >>>> goal for
> >>>> > which he looks to middlemen as guides ! Hindu downfall has been this
> >>>> > brahmanical philosophy which is so convenient to build followers . One
> >>>> has
> >>>> > been amazed how successfully this galvanises people to coalsece behind
> >>>> > individuals who then decide the primacy in life's journey . Then
> >>>> country
> >>>> > ,nation ,duty ,honour etc become unimportant. To cite many of our
> >>>> Generals
> >>>> > used to flock at the feet of the late Sai Baba looking for salvation-
> >>>> > promotions etc, when they aught to have been fitting out for battle
> >>>> and
> >>>> > present elsewhere ! How he amassed wealth and was a liability to
> >>>> national
> >>>> > security is another story. This is why the Hindu had no nation state
> >>>> or a
> >>>> > country or an army ! A historical truth with unbroken consistency and
> >>>> bane
> >>>> > of this society. The Hinduatva creed only proved a step ahead . Hindu
> >>>> unlike
> >>>> > the white race cannot thus fit into any corrective machinery to
> >>>> improve
> >>>> > human community. He is an individulist (as a religion) , thus
> >>>> constantly
> >>>> > engaged in own self in pursuit of wealth and status which cannot get
> >>>> him
> >>>> > moksha anyway. Which is why Hindu slogan is 'kaun banega krorepati' (
> >>>> > compare this with what the German young were drilled -Germany over all
> >>>> , not
> >>>> > that even after losing two wars they worse off than Hindus) ! Can one
> >>>> expect
> >>>> > any society which has money as the threshold of motivation being
> >>>> anything
> >>>> > but a slave to greed and to everything that this brings ! Which is why
> >>>> Hindu
> >>>> > is so philosophising, embracing any, many or none of ideas and
> >>>> thoughts on
> >>>> > human values as per conveneience , fatalist, unmoving to misery and
> >>>> sqauler
> >>>> > , incensitive to right or wrong , evading action,submisive , opulent
> >>>> and
> >>>> > ostentatious , uncaring about his surroundings , bereft of pride and
> >>>> self
> >>>> > esteem . With this background he has taken up an illusionary mission
> >>>> of
> >>>> > fighting corruption when corruption is embedded in Hindu veins right
> >>>> from
> >>>> > birth from temple rituals to grooming. In the light of this I think
> >>>> your
> >>>> > suggestion is most appropriate. The anti corruption war itself will
> >>>> vanish
> >>>> > very soon as it merges with election activity and these messiahs Anna
> >>>> and
> >>>> > the Baba settle down in their political camps.
> >>>> > regards
> >>>> > chauhan
>
> >>>> > Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: Justice Kamleshwar Nath
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:18 AM
> >>>> > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Armed struggle is inadvisable. Minimum need of the hour is to tell
> >>>> the
> >>>> > powers that be that 'enough is enough', that they must educate
> >>>> themselves
> >>>> > what true Jehad is, a fight with oneself to exorcise the Ghost of
> >>>> Hatred,
> >>>> > 'to heal thyself' - & in the religious arena to handle those who claim
> >>>> > themselves to be Muslims but do not live its message of Love & Peace
> >>>> but
> >>>> > indulge is self-made false Jehad. Interestingly, these elements have
> >>>> never
> >>>> > elaborated on what their Jehad is and against who! Administratively,
> >>>> has
> >>>> > the Govt. ever made any effective search for anti-national elements
> >>>> amongst
> >>>> > the organization called Indian Mujahideen; if not, why not, if yes,
> >>>> where
> >>>> > and with what results? Or do minorities continue to be their
> >>>> specially
> >>>> > protected beneficiaries ? Experience shows that the Govt. is quick
> >>>> enough to
> >>>> > act against peaceful people like the mid-night violence between 4th &
> >>>> 5th
> >>>> > June 2011 over Baba Ramdeo's Satyagrahis at Ramlila Maidan, New Delhi,
> >>>> but
> >>>> > has no capacity -perhaps no will- against Anti-National elements.
> >>>> People
> >>>> > must wake up from their slumber; may God be with the People.
>
> >>>> > KN
>
> >>>> > From the Desk of :
>
> >>>> > Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
> >>>> > Retd.
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
> >>>> > Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
> >>>> > Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
> >>>> > Address
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar
> >>>> Pradesh,
> >>>> > India
>
> >>>> > Phone(s)
> >>>> > :
> >>>> > +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>> > From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> >>>> humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On
> >>>> > Behalf Of Abhijit Mehta
> >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:18 PM
> >>>> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >>>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] BOMBAY BLASTS !!!
>
> >>>> > Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all
> >>>> those
> >>>> > politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.
>
> >>>> > I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"
>
> >>>> > Is it a time for an armed struggle?
>
> >>>> > Abhijit
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from my mobile device
>
> >>>> Best Regards
>
> >>>> R K Atri
>
> >>>> F - 303, Munirka Appts, Plot No.11
> >>>> Sector 9, Dwarka New Delhi 110075
> >>>> Ph +91- 99588-83111 / 9868610518

Saturday, July 16, 2011

Friday, July 15, 2011

Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"

Oh don"t worry we will forget these blasts in a week and forgive all those politicians who failed to keep us safe even faster.

I think that's what the politicians call "The Spirit of Mumbai"