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Saturday, June 14, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Is supreme court playing with law

At a time when Narendra Modi's Govt. is looking for an environment for justice, whether it will be possible in the presence of such law playing judges. Don't you all think that it's time for impeachment to give a clear message of fast and fair justice.......

Ankit Khetan

India

From: Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com>
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Yes our legal.system is designed to cheat common. We have beneficiaries in this system they are administrators,lawyers,judges. Politicians . In fact we are ruled by crook lawyers all the time. Not Modi. the person rejected by public, in this election is in drivers seat.look how he managed to confirm posting of Suhag by ignoring and even insulting former army cheif. See how he able to get in top lawyers post by ignoring Jathmalani. Modi has trusted him and by this trust he will make sure that nothing happens to our totally in efficient judicial system. failed lawyer. in most cases Only able to become judge of high court and supreme court. Previous CJ who is now holding a commission specifically hand picked by a late C M. That C M s farsight was extreme as this judge managed to stall a high level corruption case till the death of that CM. No competitive exam or transparent appointment process only you will came to know abt appointment after completion of selection. Now we are expecting fair judicial disposal process here fairness is by chance not by choice. We dont have accountable judicial system. We must believe that our judges are gods and they never misuse their power. If misused treat this our fate.top most paid lawyers enjoying subsidized chamber facility. Yes these lawyers will not fight for a change in the system as they are most beneficiaries. Let them enjoy otherwise they know how to fool by making every small and clear things as most confusing. Dont expect any thing from this govt as well .

"DR. AJAY PANT" <drajay.pant@gmail.com> wrote:

JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED--- why is it delayed? who all are involved? we all know this, but making allegations are a contempt till charges are proved. how does one prove the charges? maybe by sting operations.

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vilas Aglawe <vilas21nov@gmail.com> wrote:

                            Yes, it is very true not only supreme court, but I experienced every court JMFC court ,District court,

session court, High court, Railway tribunal , If you have money power you can manage everything, The court order

according to the volume of money you have given to bottom to top officials.

   As a better half of an advocate , I am more concern to this situation,how things manipulate and changes all

scenario all of sudden with power of money. playing with law is everybody daily routine, there is no administration in India.

who follows law ? Do you? or me? ans NO. just observe outside, people spits in public places, No parking zone is full of

parked vehicles , breaking of traffic rules and big list to write. To break the rule is an ART IN INDIA. so every body is playing

with . And LAW makers ? no concern. only to make LAW is not important , follow the rule is more important .

   Common man cant think to knock the door of supreme court for Justice , fees of an adv. time , lengthy

procedures, and Result will be in favor of financially sound party, that too after 10 - 20 or 30 yrs. why we dont ever think to

change the LAW , for fast Result ,or Justice ?

We, all citizen of the country are responsible for that, If public at large take it seriously we can fight for

clean JUSTICE. and one day we will get it . there are lot of to write but this is enough .

Thanx for your taking up good subject to discuss .

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Is court start playing with law then whom to believe. At first wait for 20 years for justice. Then at last you will get game changing plan of justice. This is law of justice in India..
Enjoy....

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-supreme-court-stays-execution-of-death-row-convict-in-rape-murder-case-1994645

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Re: [IAC#RG] Is supreme court playing with law

Dear Vilas ....Nice U have started with a Chingari ...hope ona day this becomes Aag ie Fire ! ......Harish

On Saturday, 14 June 2014 9:54 AM, Vilas Aglawe <vilas21nov@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it is very true not only supreme court, but I experienced every court JMFC court ,District court,

session court, High court, Railway tribunal , If you have money power you can manage everything, The court order

according to the volume of money you have given to bottom to top officials.

As a better half of an advocate , I am more concern to this situation,how things manipulate and changes all

scenario all of sudden with power of money. playing with law is everybody daily routine, there is no administration in India.

who follows law ? Do you? or me? ans NO. just observe outside, people spits in public places, No parking zone is full of

parked vehicles , breaking of traffic rules and big list to write. To break the rule is an ART IN INDIA. so every body is playing

with . And LAW makers ? no concern. only to make LAW is not important , follow the rule is more important .

Common man cant think to knock the door of supreme court for Justice , fees of an adv. time , lengthy

procedures, and Result will be in favor of financially sound party, that too after 10 - 20 or 30 yrs. why we dont ever think to

change the LAW , for fast Result ,or Justice ?

We, all citizen of the country are responsible for that, If public at large take it seriously we can fight for

clean JUSTICE. and one day we will get it . there are lot of to write but this is enough .

Thanx for your taking up good subject to discuss .

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Is court start playing with law then whom to believe. At first wait for 20 years for justice. Then at last you will get game changing plan of justice. This is law of justice in India..
Enjoy....

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-supreme-court-stays-execution-of-death-row-convict-in-rape-murder-case-1994645

Ankit Khetan
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Re: [IAC#RG] Is supreme court playing with law

mockery of justice.Judiciary considers Above even Constitution .They think Demigods coz no authority can challenge not even President -who can be impeached But Judges -like King Can do No wrong

Jai HO

MRCI

On Friday, 13 June 2014 11:22 PM, Vilas Aglawe <vilas21nov@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanx for your taking up good subject to discuss .

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Is court start playing with law then whom to believe. At first wait for 20 years for justice. Then at last you will get game changing plan of justice. This is law of justice in India..
Enjoy....

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-supreme-court-stays-execution-of-death-row-convict-in-rape-murder-case-1994645

Ankit Khetan
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Re: [IAC#RG] WHY FOREIGN FUNDING FOR NGOs ?

Look up: <http://scroll.in/article/667071/An-unnoticed-fact:-the-RSS,-India%E2%80%99s-biggest-NGO,-gets-foreign-funding-too>.

Sukla

On 14 June 2014 13:01, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

14/6/14

Dear Mr. Venkataraman

The time has certainly come to closely monitor the activiries of N.GOs
Mr. Chidambaram had initiated the process for NGOs getting foreign funds.The present Govt. will now be expediting this process .
Thiere have been serious allegations of misuse of funds not only for conversion but anti-social activities, terrorism and other anti national activities.
Some NGOs are bound to protest but those who have nothing to hide should welcome if it leads to transparancy in their working.
Banning foreign remittances at present will not be feasible, but as the country becomes financially strong and can meet the needs of NGOs through Govt. aid and volutary contribution, it should be the ultimate goal.
The figure of 20 lakhs seems to be on the higher side. All NGOs have to be registered either with Charity Commissioners or as Registered Societies under the Societies Act. Aid from Govt. is difficult to get and not enough.It will be worthwhile to collect data Statewise and Subject-wise. You will be amazed to see heavy concentration in some states and very small nos in many states.
Getting them under RTI will be a tall order. Even PPP projects are not under RTI. But public opinion should be built for NGOs totally dependent on Govt. or foreign funding.
Regds
JKGaur

Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:30:43 +0530
From: nsvenkatchennai@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [IAC#RG] WHY FOREIGN FUNDING FOR NGOs ?

To

India Against Corruption

WHY FOREIGN FUNDING FOR NGOs ?

While some NGOs are protesting about the accusation of intelligence bureau that some NGOs receive foreign funds which are misused , the question arises in one’s mind immediately as to why these NGOs receive funds from abroad at all. Can they not function well with the money made available to them by the government (around Rs. 950 crores per annum) and by many donors in India ?

While it is true that many NGOs are doing good work in several areas, there is suspicion that quite a number of NGOs in the country view the NGO activities as “business opportunity” perhaps, this explains as to why there are around 20 lakh number of NGOs in the country at present. ( One for every 600 citizens) Several promoters of NGOs who are not employed and who have no known source of income often are seen living in comfortable life style, with posh office facilities and travelling frequently. Obviously, such promoters divert part of the donation made to the NGOs for their personal benefits. It is also believed that under the cover of NGO, the overseas funds are used for conversions and other purposes under the guidance of overseas masters.

NGOs have very crucial role to play, since large percentage of countrymen living below poverty line and exploitation of the innocent people and atrocities against women are increasing.. At the same time, it has to be ensured that bad elements and motivated campaigners do not hide their true colour in the name of NGOs.

Certainly, there is strong case that Government of India should closely monitor the activities of NGOs particularly those receiving funds from abroad and NGOs should be brought under RTI Act.

It would be even appropriate that Government of India should ban the practice of NGOs receiving funds from abroad once for all.

N.S.Venkataraman

Nandini Voice For The Deprived

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

When both India and Pakistan possess nuclear devices and also the
means to deliver them, where is the question of our trusting these
"right noises".

Have we all developed collective amnesia to forget the ISI, Kargil,
26/11, Kasab etc. Are the Pakistani's also expected to develop
collective amnesia about RAW's shenanigans in their fair land. Are we
all supposed to forget US drones and Patriots openly using Paki
airspace like their father-in-law's home and secretly doing the same
in India.

The fact of the matter is that whereas it suits both sides to say that
they want to make South West Asia as a nuclear free zone (all those
foreign financed NGOs and sold-out Admirals named in the IB report
will jump for joy if it happens), but it does not suit India's
strategic interests at all. The need of the hour is for India to
develop (NOT acquire) the "big stick" and simultaneously develop a
"martial spirit" in our worthless people. The need of the day is for
India to say"which country am I going to gobble up today".

Sarbajit

On 6/14/14, Ravindran P M <raviforjustice@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is one area where I share Mr Sant Mathur's optimism. We are hearing
> the right noises being made from the relevant quarters.
>
> ravi

Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Dr. Modi to end resistance

How do you assume India does not have the will or power to hold on to its territories? Right since the '60, there have been many naysayers who kept saying that India will cease to exist, and end up breaking into a thousand parts. Yet, we have survived to this day!

Saying so is only to give way to our enemies....and especially the Chinese who had once claimed that they can easily break India up into a thousand pieces!

Rina

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rina

1) If you visit the official IAC website here, [http://indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/#tocanchor2] you will see a map of "Hindustan" and its boundaries. You will also see the following text

"The object of the organisation are to establish, through revolution, a Republic of the United States of India under a Federal Constitution of the Republic, enforced by organized and armed committees of citizens in a lawful, democratic and Constitutional manner."

What this means is that IAC does not agree that Kashmir, and Maoist / insurgent affected areas should be part of India merely because the local people want it so. Those people saying that wishes of local Kashmiris should be taken into account are probably foreign financed stooges paid by the US and EU war machines to shatter multi-ethnic pluralistic societies like India like they did, say, Yugoslavia, USSR and Iraq.

I don't need to know what happened in 40's or 60' s when I know that India TODAY does not have the will or power to hold onto the territory it claims. And let me also tell you, this situation has mainly arisen because of TRAITORS within each and every Govt we have had, and because Indian politicians have no SELF RESPECT (Shastri being a rare exception).

Where is the need for NaMo to go to US or China with a begging bowl to the IMF and World Bank (his US PR agency can spin it any which way they want to) ? Let him set the country in order first so that, as PM, he meets them as an EQUAL (ie. PM of a permanent member of the UN Security Council)

2) You are only talking about POK, what about Aksai Chin and all the other land China has encroached on ?

3) If you seem to think that I am part of Ms. Arundhati's Roy's foreign financed circus or agree with her on every issue she rakes up, you are very sadly mistaken. I do concede that she is perhaps as reasonably informed from reading press stories as I am.

Sarbajit

On 6/14/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> More than anyone else, Mr Gaur, it is our moderator, Mr Sarbajit Roy who
> needs to be enlightened, especially when he claims that the Kashmiris-never
> wanted to be part of India.
>
> He has never read, or tried to study reports from the '40s era. Not even
> the time time until the '60s.
>
> Mr Roy is totally taken up by the likes of Arundhati Roy and her
> ill-informed ilk.
>
> Dr Rina Mukherji
>
> Kolkata

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

I sincerely suggest that we stop this diatribe, most times on hearsay, and allow our informed new PM to take the required action. I have faith, and the rest of us must too, that he will find the best solution under the circumstances and ACT.

Regards, Hirak Nag.

On Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:08 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:

As a usual indian, what I feel is that it is for kashmir ppl to be part of India.If what they r looking for r sops,n hve been getting them too.Well,the days r past for these tactics.
They hve potential for dev of handicrafts, tourism n maybe much more.They better get on on this n move on.
Regards to all.

On 13 Jun 2014 17:11, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rina

I certainly hope that we can all take up Dr. Roy Choudhury's offer to
start a serious discussion about India's INTERNAL security and
internal governance.

My 2 paise on this:-

The only honest Prime Minister India ever had was tricked into signing
the Tashkent Treaty and promptly murdered the next day in his bedroom
by the CIA/Pakistani combine. Since this dastardly move by the
dirty-tricks dept. conveniently took place on Soviet soil, both India
and the USSR could not take this to its logical conclusion due to the
embarrassment to the host country.

We should have left the job to our Armed forces thereafter to do what
had to be done in 1966 and Shastri would certainly have done so - he
was a man of (stainless) steel - and not a wimp as the Congress now
prefers that he be portrayed in history as.

The Kashmiri people were NEVER in favour of joining India. Who is
being naive here ?

Sarbajit

On 6/12/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Roy Chowdhury,
>
> I don't understand what got you to conclude that I consider all anti-Indian
> views Pakistan-inspired. I myself feel that a plebiscite held in the '40s
> would ve bn in our favour.
> About the process of joining the Indian Union or not, why r u only talking
> of Kashmir? What about Bahawalpur or PEPSU? I know that many r talking of
> Junagadh on these lines. As regards the Kashmiri people, a little research
> will tell you that it is they-Muslim or not- who had wanted to be part of
> the Indian UNion. The Raja, like many others of his ilk -wanted 2 remain
> independent.
> And pray- why r u not looking at the mischief Pakistan did ( with US
> backing, of course) in KAshmir? They stayed put in POK, and continue to do
> so today, in contravention of international law. If you are taling of
> legalities, what legal standing do they have, pray?
>
> R.M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <
> tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to see some more thoughts on UCC comments of mine.
>>
>> Dr. Rina Mukherji - why is it that whenever some one takes a view against
>> your implicit view of Kashmiri, it is assumed that the other side has
>> been
>> ONLY persuaded by Pakistani propaganda. This kind of totalitarian opinion
>> has resulted in getting us where we are today. If you are willing to
>> debate
>> my points I am most willing to engage with an open mind. The questions I
>> raised:
>>
>> 1. Was the process of Kashmir joining the Indian union very
>> democratic?
>> 2. Was there not an obvious opportunity lost by not doing a referendum
>> and getting a majority of Kashmiris vote for India ? I am sure they
>> will do
>> so today. (A point to be noted, China possibly has more land that
>> India
>> claims to be their own.I do not see too many complaining about that -
>> but
>> let us not digress)
>> 3. On the question of Maoist infested states - I think this continues
>> to be a law and order problem. But, with a potential for some serious
>> problems in the future if the development does not kick in.
>>
>> I am not trying to win an argument, but start one. Trying to test the
>> data
>> and logical solidity of well-established positions that we may have as
>> muscle memory.
>>
>> - Tridib Roy Chowdhury
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand why we are not able to distinguish truth ? whatever
>>> interest a nation is having it can't undo and ignore the principle of
>>> truths, Here we are getting counter questions and evasive statements
>>> when
>>> countered with naked truths, No body wants to discuss any thing based
>>> upon
>>> facts and reason but simply dodge or counter the questions by putting
>>> emotional theories, Why we are thinking that the elected representatives
>>> are having better brain than others, this is fundamentally wrong, we
>>> have
>>> seen in the past how our administrators take decisions, only for vote
>>> bank.
>>> Sycophancy, dumbness are ruling majority mindsets in this country..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Vishwanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Kashmir is integral part of India and who are we to decide on anything
>>>> without fully being informed of the pros and cons of the same. Only the
>>>> govt. with full details and information can and should decide on the
>>>> case.
>>>> India is democratic country witch will do in the greater good of India
>>>> and
>>>> for every Indian. Leave it to the people we have elected and it is
>>>> their
>>>> job to work for all our welfare.
>>>>
>>>> Arundati Roy is trying her best to gain some free popularity.
>>>>
>>>> Vishwanath Mada
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:13:43 +0530
>>>> From: rina.mukherji@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr Roy,
>>>>
>>>> The Instrument of Accession was the same as that signed by more than
>>>> 500 princely states to accede to the Indian Union. It is only Pakistan
>>>> that
>>>> declared it illegal.
>>>>
>>>> As 4 the plebiscite, there were certain conditions that needed to be
>>>> fulfilled for the referendum. Pakistan, for instance, had to withdraw
>>>> its
>>>> occupying forces, which it has not done to this day.
>>>>
>>>> There was nothing wrong abt holding a plebiscite then; the Kashmiris
>>>> were all 4 India. Today, Pakistan has created a totally different
>>>> situation. Even otherwise, Indian Kashmir is far more developed and
>>>> freer
>>>> than POK, where a dictatorship is in place, with little room for
>>>> dissent.
>>>>
>>>> We should ve pushed it into ICJ; but Pakistan had already done so; if
>>>> you study everything, u ll never uphold Arundhati Roy's opinion. The
>>>> Maoists, the insurgents, and the Kashmiri separatists have all taken
>>>> advantage of the soft Indian state to push the agenda of foreign
>>>> collaborators. What makes Ms Roy support their point of view? I wonder!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Rina Mukherji
>>>>
>>>> Kolkata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 9/6/14
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sirs,
>>>> This is how we get side-tracked in our discussions on important issues
>>>> of governance.
>>>> In the original post of S. Roy,he had quoted a statement made by
>>>> Arundhati Roy alleging that Big money is backing Modi Govt. and he
>>>> will hand over the land and forest resources after eliminating
>>>> insurgency
>>>> to that lobby even if that leads to shedding blood. This is a matter
>>>> concerning internal security. The two/three issues that have plagued
>>>> the
>>>> country are Terrorism, Naxal insurgency and cross border links between
>>>> the
>>>> two. What in our opinion the Govt. should do to tackle these issues? Is
>>>> Arundhati Roy justified in making this insuation? S. Roy also feels that
>>>> at
>>>> some point of time there will be a clash between the extreme right and
>>>> extreme leftist forces.
>>>> 2. The other issue is use of natural resources-minerals, forest
>>>> wealth,coal etc. If these resources belong to the nation,how the Modi
>>>> Govt.
>>>> should exploit them?
>>>> Import of Arundhati Roy,s statement is- that if the Govt.controls Naxal
>>>> insugency and terrorism and there is blood shed, she will be proved
>>>> right.
>>>> Regds
>>>> JKGaur
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> CC: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
>>>> From: jkchaudhry@gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:48:12 +0530
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> When these " liberals " reside in UK ,Australia China,even Saudi
>>>> Arabia,
>>>> They have no qualms in obeying local laws,civil or,criminal ,or
>>>> financial like interest,
>>>> But
>>>> India is different.
>>>> Dare you advocate uniformity or equality before law,apart from personal
>>>> rights?
>>>> J.K.Chaudhry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the problem in lack of uniform civil code. Come on if somebody
>>>> marries several women how it hurts the soceity. Why we need a common
>>>> civil
>>>> code after all. This is not a series matter At all
>>>>
>>>> "M.N.Seshadri" <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In
>>>> India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want
>>>> !!!
>>>> I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!
>>>> Seshadri
>>>>
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RE: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

I apologize for barging in but isnt it obvious that the BJP campaign was lavishly funded? But yes there is huge validity in seeking some sort of proof like returns filed by BJP supplemented by investigations etc to provide tangible evidence. Hardly any party of consequence is not funded by the big industry. That would include all types - real estate sharks (2 I know have been elected by massive margins, on BJP tickets from UP n Rajasthan), business houses generally hoping for good times etc etc. And why not? Is there a non-wooly-in-the-mind, credible alternative that can work without big business? What examples come to mind? North Korea, Cuba. Even the farcical Communism of China can't do without them. Neither do several Maoist commands/zones who have made their peace with them but continue to be radical in rhetoric. At the same time we need the Arundhatis to temper the rapacious instincts of big business. We need to listen to all kinds. Every intellectual might not be totally correct but does contribute ideas that balance the thirst of big business to grow in any manner possible with ensuring basic needs of every citizen. Warm regards. SD.

On 6 Jun 2014 23:25, "Vishwanath Mada" <vishmada@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Sheshadri

Arundhati Roy is trying her best gain some popularity by the above headline of Big Money backing Modi. She must provide some evidence now to back her claim. She has gone unchallenged for long. It is high time in the larger interest of grater good of India, for India, by India and a possible reasonable solution we should leave the problems to the experts.

Thanks
Vishwanath Mada

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Sorry . I forgot to suggest tah she should be asked to tell all of us her views on 370 and how we should go about solving the Kashmir issue Thanks Seshadri

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Re: [IAC#RG] Is supreme court playing with law

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vilas Aglawe <vilas21nov@gmail.com> wrote:

                            Yes, it is very true not only supreme court, but I experienced every court JMFC court ,District court,

session court, High court, Railway tribunal , If you have money power you can manage everything, The court order

according to the volume of money you have given to bottom to top officials.

   As a better half of an advocate , I am more concern to this situation,how things manipulate and changes all

scenario all of sudden with power of money. playing with law is everybody daily routine, there is no administration in India.

who follows law ? Do you? or me? ans NO. just observe outside, people spits in public places, No parking zone is full of

parked vehicles , breaking of traffic rules and big list to write. To break the rule is an ART IN INDIA. so every body is playing

with . And LAW makers ? no concern. only to make LAW is not important , follow the rule is more important .

   Common man cant think to knock the door of supreme court for Justice , fees of an adv. time , lengthy

procedures, and Result will be in favor of financially sound party, that too after 10 - 20 or 30 yrs. why we dont ever think to

change the LAW , for fast Result ,or Justice ?

We, all citizen of the country are responsible for that, If public at large take it seriously we can fight for

clean JUSTICE. and one day we will get it . there are lot of to write but this is enough .

Thanx for your taking up good subject to discuss .

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ankit Khetan <ankkhe2002@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Is court start playing with law then whom to believe. At first wait for 20 years for justice. Then at last you will get game changing plan of justice. This is law of justice in India..
Enjoy....

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-supreme-court-stays-execution-of-death-row-convict-in-rape-murder-case-1994645

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

This is one area where I share Mr Sant Mathur's optimism. We are hearing the right noises being made from the relevant quarters.

ravi

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:

Prophetic it may sound, but rest assure not only would Indo-Palk relations normalise,but the ever-polemic K issue wd get sortted out largely amicably,and not in that distant future. Aspirations of HUMANS are the same all over. For political gains the issues were allowed to perpetuate as conflict/flash points. Sagacity wd soon supplant animosity,for advancing mutual interests. And the rest will be history. No, no,its no daydreaming. Nor wishful thinking. Not even wild conjecture. It's the shape of things destined. Our life time is too much. Much,much earlier. We'll all have to work for it intelligenly/ passionately,all with sheer survival instinct. Will not elaborate on the issue,at this stage. Hope and pray all right thinking people echo the sane sentiment,and be part of history,greater than German unity,on breaking of Berlin wall. Patience is not a bad virtue. SPM.

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Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

All of u are putting lot of emotion in it

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On 14-Jun-2014, at 11:49 AM, "R. Dua" <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:

As a usual indian, what I feel is that it is for kashmir ppl to be part of India.If what they r looking for r sops,n hve been getting them too.Well,the days r past for these tactics.
They hve potential for dev of handicrafts, tourism n maybe much more.They better get on on this n move on.
Regards to all.

On 13 Jun 2014 17:11, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Rina

I certainly hope that we can all take up Dr. Roy Choudhury's offer to
start a serious discussion about India's INTERNAL security and
internal governance.

My 2 paise on this:-

The only honest Prime Minister India ever had was tricked into signing
the Tashkent Treaty and promptly murdered the next day in his bedroom
by the CIA/Pakistani combine. Since this dastardly move by the
dirty-tricks dept. conveniently took place on Soviet soil, both India
and the USSR could not take this to its logical conclusion due to the
embarrassment to the host country.

We should have left the job to our Armed forces thereafter to do what
had to be done in 1966 and Shastri would certainly have done so - he
was a man of (stainless) steel - and not a wimp as the Congress now
prefers that he be portrayed in history as.

The Kashmiri people were NEVER in favour of joining India. Who is
being naive here ?

Sarbajit

On 6/12/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Roy Chowdhury,
>
> I don't understand what got you to conclude that I consider all anti-Indian
> views Pakistan-inspired. I myself feel that a plebiscite held in the '40s
> would ve bn in our favour.
> About the process of joining the Indian Union or not, why r u only talking
> of Kashmir? What about Bahawalpur or PEPSU? I know that many r talking of
> Junagadh on these lines. As regards the Kashmiri people, a little research
> will tell you that it is they-Muslim or not- who had wanted to be part of
> the Indian UNion. The Raja, like many others of his ilk -wanted 2 remain
> independent.
> And pray- why r u not looking at the mischief Pakistan did ( with US
> backing, of course) in KAshmir? They stayed put in POK, and continue to do
> so today, in contravention of international law. If you are taling of
> legalities, what legal standing do they have, pray?
>
> R.M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <
> tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to see some more thoughts on UCC comments of mine.
>>
>> Dr. Rina Mukherji - why is it that whenever some one takes a view against
>> your implicit view of Kashmiri, it is assumed that the other side has
>> been
>> ONLY persuaded by Pakistani propaganda. This kind of totalitarian opinion
>> has resulted in getting us where we are today. If you are willing to
>> debate
>> my points I am most willing to engage with an open mind. The questions I
>> raised:
>>
>> 1. Was the process of Kashmir joining the Indian union very
>> democratic?
>> 2. Was there not an obvious opportunity lost by not doing a referendum
>> and getting a majority of Kashmiris vote for India ? I am sure they
>> will do
>> so today. (A point to be noted, China possibly has more land that
>> India
>> claims to be their own.I do not see too many complaining about that -
>> but
>> let us not digress)
>> 3. On the question of Maoist infested states - I think this continues
>> to be a law and order problem. But, with a potential for some serious
>> problems in the future if the development does not kick in.
>>
>> I am not trying to win an argument, but start one. Trying to test the
>> data
>> and logical solidity of well-established positions that we may have as
>> muscle memory.
>>
>> - Tridib Roy Chowdhury
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand why we are not able to distinguish truth ? whatever
>>> interest a nation is having it can't undo and ignore the principle of
>>> truths, Here we are getting counter questions and evasive statements
>>> when
>>> countered with naked truths, No body wants to discuss any thing based
>>> upon
>>> facts and reason but simply dodge or counter the questions by putting
>>> emotional theories, Why we are thinking that the elected representatives
>>> are having better brain than others, this is fundamentally wrong, we
>>> have
>>> seen in the past how our administrators take decisions, only for vote
>>> bank.
>>> Sycophancy, dumbness are ruling majority mindsets in this country..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Vishwanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Kashmir is integral part of India and who are we to decide on anything
>>>> without fully being informed of the pros and cons of the same. Only the
>>>> govt. with full details and information can and should decide on the
>>>> case.
>>>> India is democratic country witch will do in the greater good of India
>>>> and
>>>> for every Indian. Leave it to the people we have elected and it is
>>>> their
>>>> job to work for all our welfare.
>>>>
>>>> Arundati Roy is trying her best to gain some free popularity.
>>>>
>>>> Vishwanath Mada
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:13:43 +0530
>>>> From: rina.mukherji@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr Roy,
>>>>
>>>> The Instrument of Accession was the same as that signed by more than
>>>> 500 princely states to accede to the Indian Union. It is only Pakistan
>>>> that
>>>> declared it illegal.
>>>>
>>>> As 4 the plebiscite, there were certain conditions that needed to be
>>>> fulfilled for the referendum. Pakistan, for instance, had to withdraw
>>>> its
>>>> occupying forces, which it has not done to this day.
>>>>
>>>> There was nothing wrong abt holding a plebiscite then; the Kashmiris
>>>> were all 4 India. Today, Pakistan has created a totally different
>>>> situation. Even otherwise, Indian Kashmir is far more developed and
>>>> freer
>>>> than POK, where a dictatorship is in place, with little room for
>>>> dissent.
>>>>
>>>> We should ve pushed it into ICJ; but Pakistan had already done so; if
>>>> you study everything, u ll never uphold Arundhati Roy's opinion. The
>>>> Maoists, the insurgents, and the Kashmiri separatists have all taken
>>>> advantage of the soft Indian state to push the agenda of foreign
>>>> collaborators. What makes Ms Roy support their point of view? I wonder!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Rina Mukherji
>>>>
>>>> Kolkata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 9/6/14
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sirs,
>>>> This is how we get side-tracked in our discussions on important issues
>>>> of governance.
>>>> In the original post of S. Roy,he had quoted a statement made by
>>>> Arundhati Roy alleging that Big money is backing Modi Govt. and he
>>>> will hand over the land and forest resources after eliminating
>>>> insurgency
>>>> to that lobby even if that leads to shedding blood. This is a matter
>>>> concerning internal security. The two/three issues that have plagued
>>>> the
>>>> country are Terrorism, Naxal insurgency and cross border links between
>>>> the
>>>> two. What in our opinion the Govt. should do to tackle these issues? Is
>>>> Arundhati Roy justified in making this insuation? S. Roy also feels that
>>>> at
>>>> some point of time there will be a clash between the extreme right and
>>>> extreme leftist forces.
>>>> 2. The other issue is use of natural resources-minerals, forest
>>>> wealth,coal etc. If these resources belong to the nation,how the Modi
>>>> Govt.
>>>> should exploit them?
>>>> Import of Arundhati Roy,s statement is- that if the Govt.controls Naxal
>>>> insugency and terrorism and there is blood shed, she will be proved
>>>> right.
>>>> Regds
>>>> JKGaur
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> CC: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
>>>> From: jkchaudhry@gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:48:12 +0530
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> When these " liberals " reside in UK ,Australia China,even Saudi
>>>> Arabia,
>>>> They have no qualms in obeying local laws,civil or,criminal ,or
>>>> financial like interest,
>>>> But
>>>> India is different.
>>>> Dare you advocate uniformity or equality before law,apart from personal
>>>> rights?
>>>> J.K.Chaudhry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the problem in lack of uniform civil code. Come on if somebody
>>>> marries several women how it hurts the soceity. Why we need a common
>>>> civil
>>>> code after all. This is not a series matter At all
>>>>
>>>> "M.N.Seshadri" <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In
>>>> India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want
>>>> !!!
>>>> I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!
>>>> Seshadri
>>>>
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