RE: [HumJanenge] manifesto

What do you want us to do. We should not build a bundle of problems rather, break the problem intosmall pieces and try to solve it to get the best possible results.
Dr N C jain
27-3-11 
 

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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:46:15 +0530
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] manifesto
From: dwarakanathdm@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
CC: rina17@gmail.com; sudhakarhegde733@gmail.com; surisureshsuri23@yahoo.com; samkrupadass@yahoo.co.in; yogi5050@gmail.com; yanivbin@gmail.com; georgethomasct@gmail.com; gladsraghu@gmail.com; lalita_c@indiatimes.com; dhyan40@hotmail.com

Mr Gopalakrishnan, you are right, nobody is saying what u expect.   They do not want to say.  Even if they say, such things, they know inside themselves that they never want to do it, they also know that they can get away without doing anything public in general expects, but will do certain things where the the vote bank appeal and capturing is possible.  Once I remember mr. Dev araj Urs, who was the chief minister in Karnataka for many years, said in one of his election speach that ": he knows how to get elected " and he was surely elected.  Such is the politicians confidence and credibility.  Our constitution was amended more than 76 times.    Part IV of the constitutions lays down the fFUNDAMENTAL DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT,  GOVERNORS ARE FOR ENFORCING THAT LEGILSATION IS CARRIED OUT AS PROVIDED IN THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS BY THEIR OATH OF ABIDANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. tHE cOURTS HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY CANNOT ENFORCE PART IV WHICH IS THE DUTY OF GOVERNMENT.  POLITICAL PARTIES PROVIDE TICKET FOR THEIR CANDIDATES AND SUCH CANDIDATES ARE BOUND BY THE WHIPS, WHIMS AND FANCIES OF THE PARTY PLEDGING ASIDE THEIR OATH TO ABIDE BY CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS THEIR VOTERS. THE GOVERNORS ARE TOLD NOT TO BE PROACTIVE IF THEY QUESTION THE POLITICIAN. THE GOVERNOR IS THE MOST POWERFUL AUTHORITY EXCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA. IF THE POLITICIANS AND GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ABIDE BY PART IV, THESE TWO SENIORMOST EXECUTIVES COULD CERTAINLY SET THINGS RIGHT.............IF THEY WANT...................DO THEY WANT IT.........IF THEY WANT THEIR POLITICAL BOSSES MAY NOT LIKE IT......SO WHY TAKE A HIGH RISK WHILE LIFE IS EASY AFTER ALL SOME BODY ELSE IS SUFFERING FOR THEIR SINFUL NOTES.  THE LAST SUNAMI ALMOST DESTROYED JAPAN, WHO KNOWS WHICH COUNTRY IS NEXT AND IN WHAT FORM OF SUNAMI......LET OUR YOUNG POLITICAL LEADERS TAKE THE RIGHT COURSE TO STEER THE COUNTRY WHICH INCLUDES 51% BELOW POVERTY CITIZENS LIVING JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO 72% ELEVATED FLOOR LEADERS dwarakanathdm,    

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:50 AM, gopala krishnan <gopalakrishnanvelu@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

1. no one saying we will erdiate corruption. 2. no one saying we take serious action corruption and bribe. 3. no one saying we will issue the certificate at your door step. 4. no one saying we will give UID number within year. 5. no one saying government will be transparent. 6. no one saying all records in the government office will make public documents. 7. no one saying assets movable and imovable of IAS, IPS, governemt servant, minister, ward, counsellor, etc will be published in public domain. 8. no saying compulsary free education ( no fee) till twelve standard all school (private school). 9. no one saying the appointment of commissioner/ MEMBER/ JUDGES/ VICE CHANCELLOR in human rights, UNIVERSITIES, right to information, child rights, TNPSC, women rights, etc will be transparenCY. 10. no one saying we will take serious action or remove from the service collecting bribe every month from the Old age pensioner, handichapped pensioner, widower pension, distiute women, agriculture labour pensioner. 11. no one saying will provide playground and park for development youth health and old age pension health. 12. no one saying that we take step to give quality education and  teach social acience / moral science. 13. no one saying that we modify the education sylaabus as per today  world. 14. no one saying there will be no interst for education loan. and 50 % concession will given principal amount. 15. no one saying we introduce  law subjects (like consumer rights, right to information, women rights, public rights, police bill, prevention of corruption, child rights, basic rights, pollution and environment, conduct rule of governemnt, conduct rule of all india service, etc) during school itself.      V.Gopalakrishnan

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

Dear Friend,

Thanks a ton.

 

Regrads,

 

Col Johar

On 26 March 2011 15:31, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Col Johar,

Each State as well as Center has its own set of Rules for the amount of fees to be to be accompanied along with the RTI application, First Appeal & Second Appeal respectively.

For the State of Maharashtra, the MRTI Rules, 2005 has prescribed Rs. 10/- for RTI application, Rs. 20/- for First Appeal & Rs. 20/- for Second Appeal whereas for Complaint u/s. 18 no fees have been prescribed and as such it is free.

Please find attached MRTI Rules, 2005 along with this post. Please go through Annexure A, B & C on the page no. 3, 4 & 5 of the same, for the prescribed application and appeal formats as well as fees.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear RTI  Activitists,
I had filed First Appeal against the society located on Government land granted for Occupancy Class 2  before the Deputy Registrar Pune City (1). Till now on all the First appeals I had been attaching Rs 10/- court fee stamp and these wer accepted by FAA. Now the deputy registrar has returned my First appeal on the ground that Rs 20/- stamp should be attached. Please let me know what the new rule on attachment of stamp for First appesal. Is it rs 20/- and since when? Please ytreat it as urgent 

 

Regards, 

   lt Col V K Johar

Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT

Dear Sunil,

From another anguished post of yours (Secret way to amend RTI Act) I am given to understand that DoPT informs you that "information requested is not on file". You have (wrongly) interpreted this to mean that RTI Rules of 2005 were not tabled in Parliament and extrapolated to a wild degree..

Unfortunately, DoPT's PIOs are very good. The fact is (and I am saying this as your well wisher) that your RTI was very badly drafted and there was no other reply for the PIO to give you (see my message of 6 days back below) .  So please interpret properly what PIO has communicated to you. I can understand your frustration, but it is your fault.

NB: Had I drafted the RTI request for same info the concerned PIO  would not have been able to evade giving me the information.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Please read section 29 and compare it to your RTI request. If I was in the PIO's place I would inform you that the information you requested does not exist. DoPT's PIOs count the days in a way different from the way you do - so add upto 20 days extra.

Savbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Sarbajit,

Thanks for your response.

Section 28 confers the power to make rules and thereafter Section 29(1) mandates immediate ratification by both the houses of Parliament of every such rule made by the Central Government under the Act. I have asked for a copy of the ratified rules (made way back in 2005) and any inward and outward correspondence made with both the houses of Parliament for obtaining such ratification.

If you have a counter view, kindly elicit.

In any case, the CPIO should have responded to the RTI application.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sunil

Before filing RTIs or FAs kindly read the RTI Act and then see what you have applied for.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

This is to inform that the CPIO of Department of Personnel & Training
(DoPT) has not responded to the RTI application for information
received by the department as on 09-02-11,hence a First Appeal has
been filed before the FAA requesting to direct the CPIO to provide the
information forthwith.

Information Requested was as follows::

(a) Subject matter of the Information:

Central Information Commission (Appeal Procedure) Rules, 2005,
published in the Official Gazette vide NOTIFICATION - F.No.
1/4/2005-IR, dated:28th October, 2005 Gazette of India, Extraordinary,
dated 28-10-2005 (hereinafter called "the said Gazetted Rules" for the
sake of brevity)

(b) Description of the Information Required:

1.Inward & Outward correspondence carried out with Both the Houses of
the Parliament of India for the purpose of seeking approval of the
said Gazetted Rules, in compliance with section 29(1) of the RTI Act,
2005.

2.Final approvals received from Both the Houses of the Parliament of
India in compliance with section 29(1) of the RTI Act, 2005.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

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[rti4empowerment] The Secret Way to Indirectly Amend the RTI Act?

Dear Friends,

RTI Act can be amended in the following ways:

 

Sr. No.	Direct / Indirect	Procedure / Method	Needs Sanction	Difficulty Level
1.	Direct Amendment	Introduce a Bill for direct amendment of the RTI Act	Both the Houses of Parliament.	Difficult
2.	Indirect Amendment	Introduce a Bill for passing another Act (e.g. Protection of Privacy Act) which in a way amends the RTI Act	Both the Houses of Parliament	Difficult
3.	Indirect Amendment	A Case Law which interprets the Provision of RTI Act in a different way.	Judicial Branch (particularly SC) of the Government	Difficult
4.	Indirect Amendment	Make Rules; Gazette (Publish) the Rules take approval of the Rules in  MANDATORY COMPLIANCE of Section 29(1)	Both the Houses of Parliament	Difficult
4S Secret.	Indirect Amendment	SECRET: Make Rules; Gazette (Publish) the Rules & Snore zzzzzzzzzzz	SECRET: Violate Sec. 29(1), Do not go to the Parliament.	EASY

For a Law to come into effect, it has a DEFAULT position:

For point no. 1,2 & 3 above, the default position is that law comes into effect ONLY when the bill is cleared by the Parliament (Legislature) and assented to by the President (Executive).

But for point no.4 above the default position is that RULES (Law) come into effect the moment they are GAZETTED :)

So, the SECRET & EASIEST way to indirectly amend the RTI Act is to make RULES, GAZETTE (publish)  them, not go to the Parliament, thus violate mandatory provision of sec. 29(1) of the RTI Act. 

Whereas, the fact is that EITHER enactment OR direct / indirect (rules) amendment of an Act requires the Sanction of the Parliament which REPRESENTS THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.

Therefore, the competent authority can most respectfully make Rules for better implementation of the provisions of the RTI Act, but it cannot decide the use / misuse, right / wrong of a provision, for indirectly amending the RTI Act; It is only the collective will of the majority of the people of a Nation which is represented by the Parliament on behalf of them, can decide, either the enactment or direct / indirect amendment of the RTI Act.

By the Way:

Information Requested from DoPT:

 

Photocopy of Inward & Outward correspondence with the Parliament for seeking approval of CIC (Appeal Procedure) Rules, 2005.

 

Photocopy of final approval received from the Parliament.

 

Information Received from the PIO of DoPT:

 

No such information exists in the file.

One is free to infer ...........

Best Regards,

Sunil.

 

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

Please note, only 2 Copies have to be sent to CIC You do NOT have to send 1 Copy to CPIO 1 Copy to First Appellate Authority. The CIC management regulations are rendered useless and hence, only two copies have to be sent to CIC. If the group desires, a detailed procedure would be sent, along with a first hand report on how the entire things are being processed in the CIC Inward section. Best wishes Manoj

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

http://www.iitg.ernet.in/rti/links/om-e-mail_rti_13oct2005.pdf

Link to OM

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Jam, Kindly go through the OM no. 34012/13(S)/2005-Estt.(B) dt. 06-10-2005 issued by DOPT Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Wed, 23/3/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote: From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 8:24 PM CIC has not designated the Post office CAPIOs as their own CAPIOs. Post Office route is only open for those departments where the CAPIOs (of the Post office) are so designated. Not all central Government PAs have done so. RTIwanted From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> To: rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 4:35:36 PM Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION Dear All The best way to file a 2nd appeal to CIC for our out-of-delhi friends is to deposit it with the Head PostMaster of the nearest Head Post Office (they are notified CAPIOs for all central Govt PAs). This is done free of cost (no need to pay Speedpost charges), you get an acknowledgment on the spot, and a receipt reaches you within 5 or 6 days after that. You only have to deposit 1 copy of the 2nd appeal - and there is no need for you to serve the opposite side.  If the CIC informs you later that more copies are "requested" - ask them to F/O Sarbajit On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Rakesh B <rakeshbhma@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, From Bangalore, I spoke with Bulati/Gulati (Ph: 011-26180532), staff member/P.A. of T.K. Mohapatra and he gave me the following Address to send the CIC Appeal by Post:- Chief Information Commissioner, Central Information Commission (CIC), Old JNU Campus, Opposite to Ber Sarai, New Delhi - 110067; Telephone: 011-26161137. Initially when I E-mailed to all the CIC members found on the website, no one responded for around 2 weeks & then I called and even no one responded over the Telephone when I tried several no.s.  Fortunately, finally, one of them as specified above, gave the info.  Hence, I have posted a CIC Appeal to the aforesaid Address. 2 Copies have to be sent to CIC 1 Copy to CPIO 1 Copy to First Appellate Authority. I didn't even expect that sending a CIC Appeal would be quite labourious.  I was told that CIC works far better than SIC, but I am afraid that it's not the case, based on my experience.  Even when I tried to send CIC Appeal via www.cic.gov.in, it didn't accept the data, with Error messages displayed.  I wonder how the great RTI Activists used to send CIC Appeals till now since 5 years.  Didn't anyone, even one of them, face difficulty in sending the same?  If so, they could have enlightened the others in the Group or better contacted those guys in Delhi, who are put up nearby CIC, to fix the basic issues. I look forward to any comments. CHEERS! Rakesh On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Oops I forgot to mention, that a little bird whispers apparently IC(SS) formally requested a shift to AKB because her PS had started following certain corrupt practices in the adjacent registries of Old JNU. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Only Shailesh and AD are left at Old JNU. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:12 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: Chief IC, Mr. Satyananda Mishra's office is at old JNU Campus, Club Building.  The sequence from entrance is Shri Shailesh Gandhi, Ms. Annapurna Dixit, Mr. S. N. Mishra's and Ms. Sushma Singh on the left side of the entry.     I suggest for not taking any chance by letters at August Kranti Bhawan, Bhikaji Cama Place while CIC has declared its postal address at old JNU campus. From: suresh nangia <sknangia2004@yahoo.com> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 10:28:51 PM Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION Both addresses are correct. At Old JNU Campus premisess, three commissioners have their office(s) while all other commissioners including Chief Information Commissioner sit at Bhikaji Cama Place address. Appeals / Complaints addressed to the Commission can be sent to Bhikaji Cama Place address where they have a central registry. There, they sort out the Appeals / Complaints commissioner-wise which are then passed on to the concerned commissioner   S K NANGIA --- On Wed, 16/3/11, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Leslie Almeida" <leslie_almeida@rediffmai.com>, lesals2000@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Dr Goyal RTIDWARKA" <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in> Date: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011, 8:10 PM First address of August Kranti Bhawan is correct. On the second address, earlier Chief Information Commissioner used to sit but now a few central information commissioners like Mr. Shailesh Gandhi work from Old JNU Campus building.   Hari Goyal 16.03.2011    Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:45:11 -0700 From: lesals2000@yahoo.com Subject: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com  HAVE 2 ADDRESSESS OF CIC WHICH ONE TO ADDRESS 2ND APPEAL AS PIO SBI BRANCH MANAGER HAS NOT GIVEN ME INFO EVEN THOUGH 1ST APPEAL SBI REQUESTED HIM TO GIVE THE SAID INFORMATION REGARDING KYC- MANY BANKS SPECIALLY SBI HAS NOT IMPLIMINTED "KNOW  YOUR CUSTOMER " AS SUCH THEY COULD HAVE MANY BENAMI ACCOUNTS   CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION ROOM NO 308,2ND FLOOR,AUGUST KRANTI BHAWAN BHIKAJI CAMA PLACE NEW DELHI 110066   CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSIONER CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION BLOCK 1V,(5TH FLOOR ), OLD JNU CAMPUS  NEW DELHI 110067 FOR THOSE WHO KNOW ME, I HAVE RECOVERED 70 PERCENT  BUT STILL FEEL WEAK AND HOUSEBOUND  THANKS TO YOUR PRAYERS AND WELL WISHES   LESLIE ALMEIDA

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

WHY MAHARASTRA CHARGING FOR APPEAL UNDER SECTION 19 , NONE OF THE STATES FOLLOWING SUCH RULES , MAHARASTRA STATE WANT TO DILUTE THE ACT BY MAKING SEVERAL RULES 

ARS KUMAR. BE, LLB, MA JOURNALISM 

SOCIAL ACTIVIST 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Col Johar,

Each State as well as Center has its own set of Rules for the amount of fees to be to be accompanied along with the RTI application, First Appeal & Second Appeal respectively.

For the State of Maharashtra, the MRTI Rules, 2005 has prescribed Rs. 10/- for RTI application, Rs. 20/- for First Appeal & Rs. 20/- for Second Appeal whereas for Complaint u/s. 18 no fees have been prescribed and as such it is free.

Please find attached MRTI Rules, 2005 along with this post. Please go through Annexure A, B & C on the page no. 3, 4 & 5 of the same, for the prescribed application and appeal formats as well as fees.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear RTI  Activitists,
I had filed First Appeal against the society located on Government land granted for Occupancy Class 2  before the Deputy Registrar Pune City (1). Till now on all the First appeals I had been attaching Rs 10/- court fee stamp and these wer accepted by FAA. Now the deputy registrar has returned my First appeal on the ground that Rs 20/- stamp should be attached. Please let me know what the new rule on attachment of stamp for First appesal. Is it rs 20/- and since when? Please ytreat it as urgent 

 

Regards, 

   lt Col V K Johar

RE: [HumJanenge] PUBLIC GRIEVANCE: Undisclosed conflict of interest of Dr. N.C.Saxena (member/NAC)

I fully agree with the points raised by Dr sarabjit that  person who is already employed with a firm located aboroad should notbe appointed in NAC. He should first resign from earlier post and then join the new assignment
Dr N C jain
26-3-11
 
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:56:09 +0530
> Subject: [HumJanenge] PUBLIC GRIEVANCE: Undisclosed conflict of interest of Dr. N.C.Saxena (member/NAC)
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: chairperson@nac.nic.in; office.nac@nac.nic.in; ritasharma.secy@nac.nic.in; k.raju@nac.nic.in; dhiraj.s@nac.nic.in; nc.saxena@nac.nic.in; humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> To:
> Chairperson
> National Advisory Council, ("NAC")
>
> BY EMAIL
>
> Date: 25-March-2011
>
> Dear Sir / Madam,
>
> I am constrained to bring yet another series of my public grievances
> concerning the National Advisory Council to your kind attention.
>
> Firstly, I am aggrieved that my Public Grievance Petitions to NAC
> and/or yourself are never acknowledged - either immediately or within
> 3 days as stipulated under the concerned scheme of Government of
> India. I say that I have emailed your PS Shri Dhiraj Shrivastava
> concerning this but he has not reverted. In the absence of a formal
> acknowledgment reaching me in time, I shall be constrained to lodge my
> grievances on the President of India's helpline at Rashtrapati Bhaawn
> to ensure time bound action by the concerned competent authority for
> the NAC.
>
> Secondly, I am constrained to bring yet another potential conflict of
> interest situation to your attention concerning Dr. Naresh Chandra
> Saxena/member.. It is pertinent that Dr Saxena was apparently
> appointed to the NAC by the Hon'ble Prime Minister in consultation
> with yourself. I wish to inform you that Dr. Saxena is currently
> employed as a "Principal" with a UK based consultancy company/
> organisation as per their website, the particulars of which are as
> below.
>
> The Policy Practice
> 33 Southdown Avenue
> Brighton
> BN1 6EH
> United Kingdom
> Tel: ++44 (0)1273 330 331
> Fax: ++44 (0)870 123 1723
> URL : www.thepolicypractice.com
> email: contact@thepolicypractice.com
>
> I say it is relevant that an important function of the NAC is
> "providing policy inputs" to the Government of India, and I am
> aggrieved that it is clearly opposed to India's national, scientific
> and and economic security, for any employee of a foreign policy
> practice be a member of such an important policy making body as the
> NAC, and it arouses grave suspicion that he serves foreign masters in
> addition, or lobbies on behalf of foreign policy interests in India
> post his retirement from the bureaucracy.
>
> It is pertinent that Dr. Saxena''s bio-data on the NAC website
> curiously avoids all mention of employment with companies such as The
> Policy Practice. For ready reference, I attach 2 PDF files of
> information from this foreign organisations website. The first shows
> Dr Saxena's place in its hierarchy. The second is a very comprehensive
> bio-data of Dr.Saxena for private consumption of this organisation's
> clients which differs very considerably from the sketchy bio-data on
> the NAC website which the NAC has chosen to disclose to the public.
>
> I am caused to bring this absurd situation to your notice only when I
> repeatedly find potential conflicts of interests emanating from
> private associations of the 2 former Secretaries of the Rural
> Development Ministry who are attached to your Council, and which cause
> me to believe that these 2 former officers have deep and long standing
> associations with private interests in the very same priority sectors
> where the NAC is providing policy inputs and legislative support.
>
> I therefore pray that a comprehensive and impartial inquiry be
> conducted into my researches / grievances. I am always ready to assist
> the NAC in this nation building process.
>
> I would be obliged if this grievance petition is acknowledged promptly.
>
> yours faithfully
>
> Sarbajit Roy
> B-59 Defence Colony
> New Delhi 110024
>
> Tel : 09311448069

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

Please view Maharashtra RTI Rule ....it prescribes appeal fee as
Rs. 20/- it is there from year 2005. Might be earlier first appellate
authorities have overlooked it.

Pralhad Kachare

On 26/03/2011, virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear RTI Activitists,
> I had filed First Appeal against the society located on Government land
> granted for Occupancy Class 2 before the Deputy Registrar Pune City (1).
> Till now on all the First appeals I had been attaching Rs 10/- court fee
> stamp and these wer accepted by FAA. Now the deputy registrar has returned
> my First appeal on the ground that Rs 20/- stamp should be attached. Please
> let me know what the new rule on attachment of stamp for First appesal. Is
> it rs 20/- and since when? Please ytreat it as urgent
>
> Regards,
> lt Col V K Johar
> On 26 March 2011 05:56, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jam,
>> Kindly go through the OM no. 34012/13(S)/2005-Estt.(B) dt. 06-10-2005
>> issued by DOPT
>>
>> *Bimal Khemani*
>> *RTI activist*
>> *ALIGARH-202001*
>> *INDIA*
>> *Mob:935-972-4625*
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 23/3/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION
>> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 8:24 PM
>>
>>
>> CIC has not designated the Post office CAPIOs as their own CAPIOs.
>> Post Office route is only open for those departments where the CAPIOs (of
>> the Post office) are so designated.
>> Not all central Government PAs have done so.
>>
>> RTIwanted
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> *To:* rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wed, March 23, 2011 4:35:36 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION
>>
>> Dear All
>>
>> The best way to file a 2nd appeal to CIC for our out-of-delhi friends is
>> to
>> deposit it with the Head PostMaster of the nearest Head Post Office (they
>> are notified CAPIOs for all central Govt PAs). This is done free of cost
>> (no
>> need to pay Speedpost charges), you get an acknowledgment on the spot, and
>> a
>> receipt reaches you within 5 or 6 days after that. You only have to
>> deposit
>> 1 copy of the 2nd appeal - and there is no need for you to serve the
>> opposite side. If the CIC informs you later that more copies are
>> "requested" - ask them to F/O
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Rakesh B
>> <rakeshbhma@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rakeshbhma@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> From Bangalore, I spoke with Bulati/Gulati (Ph: 011-26180532), staff
>> member/P.A. of T.K. Mohapatra and he gave me the following Address to send
>> the CIC Appeal by Post:-
>>
>> Chief Information Commissioner,
>> Central Information Commission (CIC),
>> Old JNU Campus,
>> Opposite to Ber Sarai,
>> New Delhi - 110067;
>> Telephone: 011-26161137.
>>
>> Initially when I E-mailed to all the CIC members found on the website, no
>> one responded for around 2 weeks & then I called and even no one responded
>> over the Telephone when I tried several no.s. Fortunately, finally, one
>> of
>> them as specified above, gave the info. Hence, I have posted a CIC Appeal
>> to the aforesaid Address.
>>
>> 2 Copies have to be sent to CIC
>> 1 Copy to CPIO
>> 1 Copy to First Appellate Authority.
>>
>> I didn't even expect that sending a CIC Appeal would be quite labourious.
>> I was told that CIC works far better than SIC, but I am afraid that it's
>> not
>> the case, based on my experience. Even when I tried to send CIC Appeal
>> via
>> www.cic.gov.in, it didn't accept the data, with Error messages displayed.
>>
>>
>> I wonder how the great RTI Activists used to send CIC Appeals till now
>> since 5 years. Didn't anyone, even one of them, face difficulty in
>> sending
>> the same? If so, they could have enlightened the others in the Group or
>> better contacted those guys in Delhi, who are put up nearby CIC, to fix
>> the
>> basic issues.
>>
>> I look forward to any comments.
>>
>> CHEERS!
>> Rakesh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy
>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Oops I forgot to mention, that a little bird whispers apparently IC(SS)
>> formally requested a shift to AKB because her PS had started following
>> certain corrupt practices in the adjacent registries of Old JNU.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy
>> <sroy.mb@gmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Only Shailesh and AD are left at Old JNU.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:12 PM, M.K. Gupta
>> <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Chief IC, Mr. Satyananda Mishra's office is at old JNU Campus, Club
>> Building. The sequence from entrance is Shri Shailesh Gandhi, Ms.
>> Annapurna
>> Dixit, Mr. S. N. Mishra's and Ms. Sushma Singh on the left side of the
>> entry.
>>
>> I suggest for not taking any chance by letters at August Kranti Bhawan,
>> Bhikaji Cama Place while CIC has declared its postal address at old JNU
>> campus.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* suresh nangia
>> <sknangia2004@yahoo.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sknangia2004@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> *To:*
>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Fri, 18 March, 2011 10:28:51 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION
>>
>> Both addresses are correct. At Old JNU Campus premisess, three
>> commissioners have their office(s) while all other commissioners including
>> Chief Information Commissioner sit at Bhikaji Cama Place address. Appeals
>> /
>> Complaints addressed to the Commission can be sent to Bhikaji Cama Place
>> address where they have a central registry. There, they sort out the
>> Appeals
>> / Complaints commissioner-wise which are then passed on to the concerned
>> commissioner
>>
>> S K NANGIA
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 16/3/11, Hari Goyal
>> <haridgoyal@hotmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=haridgoyal@hotmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Hari Goyal
>> <haridgoyal@hotmail.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=haridgoyal@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION
>> To:
>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>,
>> "Leslie Almeida"
>> <leslie_almeida@rediffmai.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=leslie_almeida@rediffmai.com>>,
>> lesals2000@yahoo.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lesals2000@yahoo.com>,
>> rti_india@yahoogroups.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rti_india@yahoogroups.com>
>> Cc: "Dr Goyal RTIDWARKA"
>> <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in>
>> >
>> Date: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011, 8:10 PM
>>
>> First address of August Kranti Bhawan is correct. On the second address,
>> earlier Chief Information Commissioner used to sit but now a few central
>> information commissioners like Mr. Shailesh Gandhi work from Old JNU
>> Campus
>> building.
>>
>> Hari Goyal
>> 16.03.2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:45:11 -0700
>> From:
>> lesals2000@yahoo.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lesals2000@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION
>> To:
>> rti_india@yahoogroups.com<http://in.mc951.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rti_india@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> HAVE 2 ADDRESSESS OF CIC WHICH ONE TO ADDRESS 2ND APPEAL
>> AS PIO SBI BRANCH MANAGER HAS NOT GIVEN ME INFO EVEN THOUGH 1ST
>> APPEAL SBI REQUESTED HIM TO GIVE THE SAID INFORMATION REGARDING KYC- MANY
>> BANKS SPECIALLY SBI HAS NOT IMPLIMINTED "KNOW YOUR CUSTOMER " AS SUCH
>> THEY
>> COULD HAVE MANY BENAMI ACCOUNTS
>>
>> CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION
>> ROOM NO 308,2ND FLOOR,AUGUST KRANTI BHAWAN
>> BHIKAJI CAMA PLACE NEW DELHI 110066
>>
>> CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSIONER
>> CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION
>> BLOCK 1V,(5TH FLOOR ), OLD JNU CAMPUS NEW DELHI 110067
>> FOR THOSE WHO KNOW ME, I HAVE RECOVERED 70 PERCENT BUT STILL FEEL WEAK
>> AND HOUSEBOUND THANKS TO YOUR PRAYERS AND WELL WISHES
>> LESLIE ALMEIDA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Director, Center for Public Policy,
YASHADA, Rajbhavan Complex,Baner Road, Pune-411007.02025608146, 9422750464

Re: [HumJanenge] manifesto

Mr Gopalakrishnan, you are right, nobody is saying what u expect.   They do not want to say.  Even if they say, such things, they know inside themselves that they never want to do it, they also know that they can get away without doing anything public in general expects, but will do certain things where the the vote bank appeal and capturing is possible.  Once I remember mr. Dev araj Urs, who was the chief minister in Karnataka for many years, said in one of his election speach that ": he knows how to get elected " and he was surely elected.  Such is the politicians confidence and credibility.  Our constitution was amended more than 76 times.    Part IV of the constitutions lays down the fFUNDAMENTAL DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT,  GOVERNORS ARE FOR ENFORCING THAT LEGILSATION IS CARRIED OUT AS PROVIDED IN THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS BY THEIR OATH OF ABIDANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. tHE cOURTS HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY CANNOT ENFORCE PART IV WHICH IS THE DUTY OF GOVERNMENT.  POLITICAL PARTIES PROVIDE TICKET FOR THEIR CANDIDATES AND SUCH CANDIDATES ARE BOUND BY THE WHIPS, WHIMS AND FANCIES OF THE PARTY PLEDGING ASIDE THEIR OATH TO ABIDE BY CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS THEIR VOTERS. THE GOVERNORS ARE TOLD NOT TO BE PROACTIVE IF THEY QUESTION THE POLITICIAN. THE GOVERNOR IS THE MOST POWERFUL AUTHORITY EXCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA. IF THE POLITICIANS AND GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ABIDE BY PART IV, THESE TWO SENIORMOST EXECUTIVES COULD CERTAINLY SET THINGS RIGHT.............IF THEY WANT...................DO THEY WANT IT.........IF THEY WANT THEIR POLITICAL BOSSES MAY NOT LIKE IT......SO WHY TAKE A HIGH RISK WHILE LIFE IS EASY AFTER ALL SOME BODY ELSE IS SUFFERING FOR THEIR SINFUL NOTES.  THE LAST SUNAMI ALMOST DESTROYED JAPAN, WHO KNOWS WHICH COUNTRY IS NEXT AND IN WHAT FORM OF SUNAMI......LET OUR YOUNG POLITICAL LEADERS TAKE THE RIGHT COURSE TO STEER THE COUNTRY WHICH INCLUDES 51% BELOW POVERTY CITIZENS LIVING JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO 72% ELEVATED FLOOR LEADERS dwarakanathdm,    

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:50 AM, gopala krishnan <gopalakrishnanvelu@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

1. no one saying we will erdiate corruption. 2. no one saying we take serious action corruption and bribe. 3. no one saying we will issue the certificate at your door step. 4. no one saying we will give UID number within year. 5. no one saying government will be transparent. 6. no one saying all records in the government office will make public documents. 7. no one saying assets movable and imovable of IAS, IPS, governemt servant, minister, ward, counsellor, etc will be published in public domain. 8. no saying compulsary free education ( no fee) till twelve standard all school (private school). 9. no one saying the appointment of commissioner/ MEMBER/ JUDGES/ VICE CHANCELLOR in human rights, UNIVERSITIES, right to information, child rights, TNPSC, women rights, etc will be transparenCY. 10. no one saying we will take serious action or remove from the service collecting bribe every month from the Old age pensioner, handichapped pensioner, widower pension, distiute women, agriculture labour pensioner. 11. no one saying will provide playground and park for development youth health and old age pension health. 12. no one saying that we take step to give quality education and  teach social acience / moral science. 13. no one saying that we modify the education sylaabus as per today  world. 14. no one saying there will be no interst for education loan. and 50 % concession will given principal amount. 15. no one saying we introduce  law subjects (like consumer rights, right to information, women rights, public rights, police bill, prevention of corruption, child rights, basic rights, pollution and environment, conduct rule of governemnt, conduct rule of all india service, etc) during school itself.      V.Gopalakrishnan

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

Dear Col Johar,

Each State as well as Center has its own set of Rules for the amount of fees to be to be accompanied along with the RTI application, First Appeal & Second Appeal respectively.

For the State of Maharashtra, the MRTI Rules, 2005 has prescribed Rs. 10/- for RTI application, Rs. 20/- for First Appeal & Rs. 20/- for Second Appeal whereas for Complaint u/s. 18 no fees have been prescribed and as such it is free.

Please find attached MRTI Rules, 2005 along with this post. Please go through Annexure A, B & C on the page no. 3, 4 & 5 of the same, for the prescribed application and appeal formats as well as fees.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, virender johar <virender.johar@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear RTI  Activitists,
I had filed First Appeal against the society located on Government land granted for Occupancy Class 2  before the Deputy Registrar Pune City (1). Till now on all the First appeals I had been attaching Rs 10/- court fee stamp and these wer accepted by FAA. Now the deputy registrar has returned my First appeal on the ground that Rs 20/- stamp should be attached. Please let me know what the new rule on attachment of stamp for First appesal. Is it rs 20/- and since when? Please ytreat it as urgent 

 

Regards, 

   lt Col V K Johar

Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION

Dear RTI  Activitists,
I had filed First Appeal against the society located on Government land granted for Occupancy Class 2  before the Deputy Registrar Pune City (1). Till now on all the First appeals I had been attaching Rs 10/- court fee stamp and these wer accepted by FAA. Now the deputy registrar has returned my First appeal on the ground that Rs 20/- stamp should be attached. Please let me know what the new rule on attachment of stamp for First appesal. Is it rs 20/- and since when? Please ytreat it as urgent 

 

Regards, 

   lt Col V K Johar

On 26 March 2011 05:56, bimal khemani <bimal.khemani@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Jam, Kindly go through the OM no. 34012/13(S)/2005-Estt.(B) dt. 06-10-2005 issued by DOPT Bimal Khemani RTI activist ALIGARH-202001 INDIA Mob:935-972-4625 --- On Wed, 23/3/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote: From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 8:24 PM CIC has not designated the Post office CAPIOs as their own CAPIOs. Post Office route is only open for those departments where the CAPIOs (of the Post office) are so designated. Not all central Government PAs have done so. RTIwanted From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> To: rti4empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 4:35:36 PM Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION Dear All The best way to file a 2nd appeal to CIC for our out-of-delhi friends is to deposit it with the Head PostMaster of the nearest Head Post Office (they are notified CAPIOs for all central Govt PAs). This is done free of cost (no need to pay Speedpost charges), you get an acknowledgment on the spot, and a receipt reaches you within 5 or 6 days after that. You only have to deposit 1 copy of the 2nd appeal - and there is no need for you to serve the opposite side.  If the CIC informs you later that more copies are "requested" - ask them to F/O Sarbajit On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Rakesh B <rakeshbhma@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, From Bangalore, I spoke with Bulati/Gulati (Ph: 011-26180532), staff member/P.A. of T.K. Mohapatra and he gave me the following Address to send the CIC Appeal by Post:- Chief Information Commissioner, Central Information Commission (CIC), Old JNU Campus, Opposite to Ber Sarai, New Delhi - 110067; Telephone: 011-26161137. Initially when I E-mailed to all the CIC members found on the website, no one responded for around 2 weeks & then I called and even no one responded over the Telephone when I tried several no.s.  Fortunately, finally, one of them as specified above, gave the info.  Hence, I have posted a CIC Appeal to the aforesaid Address. 2 Copies have to be sent to CIC 1 Copy to CPIO 1 Copy to First Appellate Authority. I didn't even expect that sending a CIC Appeal would be quite labourious.  I was told that CIC works far better than SIC, but I am afraid that it's not the case, based on my experience.  Even when I tried to send CIC Appeal via www.cic.gov.in, it didn't accept the data, with Error messages displayed.  I wonder how the great RTI Activists used to send CIC Appeals till now since 5 years.  Didn't anyone, even one of them, face difficulty in sending the same?  If so, they could have enlightened the others in the Group or better contacted those guys in Delhi, who are put up nearby CIC, to fix the basic issues. I look forward to any comments. CHEERS! Rakesh On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Oops I forgot to mention, that a little bird whispers apparently IC(SS) formally requested a shift to AKB because her PS had started following certain corrupt practices in the adjacent registries of Old JNU. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Only Shailesh and AD are left at Old JNU. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:12 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: Chief IC, Mr. Satyananda Mishra's office is at old JNU Campus, Club Building.  The sequence from entrance is Shri Shailesh Gandhi, Ms. Annapurna Dixit, Mr. S. N. Mishra's and Ms. Sushma Singh on the left side of the entry.     I suggest for not taking any chance by letters at August Kranti Bhawan, Bhikaji Cama Place while CIC has declared its postal address at old JNU campus. From: suresh nangia <sknangia2004@yahoo.com> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, 18 March, 2011 10:28:51 PM Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION Both addresses are correct. At Old JNU Campus premisess, three commissioners have their office(s) while all other commissioners including Chief Information Commissioner sit at Bhikaji Cama Place address. Appeals / Complaints addressed to the Commission can be sent to Bhikaji Cama Place address where they have a central registry. There, they sort out the Appeals / Complaints commissioner-wise which are then passed on to the concerned commissioner   S K NANGIA --- On Wed, 16/3/11, Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Hari Goyal <haridgoyal@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com, "Leslie Almeida" <leslie_almeida@rediffmai.com>, lesals2000@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Dr Goyal RTIDWARKA" <rtidwarka@yahoo.co.in> Date: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011, 8:10 PM First address of August Kranti Bhawan is correct. On the second address, earlier Chief Information Commissioner used to sit but now a few central information commissioners like Mr. Shailesh Gandhi work from Old JNU Campus building.   Hari Goyal 16.03.2011    Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:45:11 -0700 From: lesals2000@yahoo.com Subject: [rti4empowerment] REQUEST CIC ADDRESS CLARIFICATION To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com  HAVE 2 ADDRESSESS OF CIC WHICH ONE TO ADDRESS 2ND APPEAL AS PIO SBI BRANCH MANAGER HAS NOT GIVEN ME INFO EVEN THOUGH 1ST APPEAL SBI REQUESTED HIM TO GIVE THE SAID INFORMATION REGARDING KYC- MANY BANKS SPECIALLY SBI HAS NOT IMPLIMINTED "KNOW  YOUR CUSTOMER " AS SUCH THEY COULD HAVE MANY BENAMI ACCOUNTS   CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION ROOM NO 308,2ND FLOOR,AUGUST KRANTI BHAWAN BHIKAJI CAMA PLACE NEW DELHI 110066   CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSIONER CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION BLOCK 1V,(5TH FLOOR ), OLD JNU CAMPUS  NEW DELHI 110067 FOR THOSE WHO KNOW ME, I HAVE RECOVERED 70 PERCENT  BUT STILL FEEL WEAK AND HOUSEBOUND  THANKS TO YOUR PRAYERS AND WELL WISHES   LESLIE ALMEIDA

Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT

Dear Roy Sir, thanks for your clarification.
 
Once again you are confused and  wrong in respect of  point A of your post  where you said that "CPIO is not supposed to accept RTI/ Fees from the applicants".

The appointment of ACPIOs in  all administrative units  or offices is only to help the RTI applicant to approach the public Authority which is nearer to him. The application has to  reach  CPIO ultimately in physical form since it is CPIO who has to supply the information. Section 5 you referred  deals with the appointment of CPIO and ACPIO's . so, it is wrong to say that CPIOs is not supposed to receive the application.

 The proper section you need to refer in this aspect is  section 6(1)(a) of the Act where it is clearly mentioned that

"6. (1) A person, who desires to obtain any information under this Act, shall make a request in writing or through electronic means in English or Hindi or in the official language of the area in which the application is being made, accompanying such fee as may be prescribed, to—

            (a)        the Central Public Information Officer or State Public Information Officer, as the case may be, of the concerned public authority."

so,  an applicant can surely make an application to CPIO and he is duty to bound to receive the same. The time starts from that  date of receipt of application and five days grace period is not applicable in such case.Since CPIO is functionary of the Public Authority it is deemed to be received by him.

The Judgment given by shri. M.K.Gupta too would support above stand. In many cases, I have submitted the application personally to the office of CPIO by obtaining his seal and signatures. Hence, CPIO is legally  duty bound to accept the application and provide information as per the provisions of the Act.

Regards.

umapathi.s 

   

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Umapathi

What you are saying is not a new view, it has been previously discussed threadbare on the RTI_India forum with valuable inputs from our esteemed members like Ashish Kumar (who wrote the book - now in its 12th ?? edition and 935 pages - on how PIOs can evade giving information to silly little RTI activists whose heads are filled with nonsense).

In short

A) A CPIO (as defined in 5(1)) is not supposed to accept RTIs / fees from the applicants. That is the job of the CAPIO (defined in 5(2)) who acts as a postman.

B) The job of the CPIO is to "deal with" information requests and assist the applicants. The CPIO can only deal with (3rd party notice/fee computation/denial in 30 days for 7-1 etc.)  the RTI request after he "receives" it. The time for transmission of a RTI request to the "dealing" CPIO is limited to 5 days in the ACT.

Hence there is no basis in law - RTI Act - for you to say that 30 days begins when RTI application is received by PA, the Man of OffProc notwithstanding. <----- note this carefully.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:16 PM, umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear sir, Technically, Mr. Roy is wrong to say that the PIO's clock ticks only from the date of receipt of application physically by PIO. Section 6(1) of RTI Act says that the application to be submitted to PIO of concerned public Authority. so, when the application  reaches the Public Authority , not the PIO , the countdown of  30 days begins. Moreover,  Same section also stipulates that the application can be submitted through electronic means. so, the best way is to send the application to PIO by e-mail  followed by hard copy by speed or registered post.

Regards.

umapathi.s

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:

So one would have to do a Prof Ansari against them. Use their own manual against the CPIO, which clearly states that all letters / communications should be diarised on the same day of its receipt in the office. Later, it should be sent to the concerned officer on the same or next working day. Which means, the application should be delivered to the concerned CPIO latest by the next working day. If what you say is true, the onus would then be on the CPIO, that he was not in his chamber for the next 15 days. Of course, he will conceal the fact that all officers have to maintain a Movement Register. So it is all open to us, to seek inspection of not only the diary register, but the Movement register of the CPIO as well. Manoj PS: It was Prof. Ansari who used the DoP&T Manual of Officer Procedure, against them in the full bench CIC Decision, in the matter of Pyarelal concerning file notings. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:04 AM The DoPT PIO's clock starts ticking only when the RTI request reaches him physically. So although it may have been received by the DoPT's dak section on date 1, it usually takes about 15 days extra to reach the PIO's desk

Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT

On the issue, please read the following important decision of former CCIC, Mr. Wajahat Habibullah

 

RTI- CIC- IMPORTANT DECISIONS - Process RTI requests within 30 days: CIC
 
Process RTI requests within 30 days: CIC

In a precedent-setting decision, the Chief Information Commissioner (CIC) Wajahat Habibullah ruled that facts sought under the Right to Information Act (RTI) would have to be processed and made available within 30 days of receiving the request and not 30 days after the applicant has paid the fee for the information sought.

 

Delivering the ruling in December, the CIC held the Nuclear Power Corporation of India Ltd (NPCL) is liable to pay compensation to Dr BJ Waghdhare, a resident of Madban in Jaitapur region at Ratnagiri district whose land is among the 980 hectares of property in the region that is sought to be acquired by the government for setting up of two nuclear power plants and a residential colony for its personnel by the NCPL.

Waghdhare had appealed to the CIC that the information sought by him on December 31, 2005 from NCPIL was provided as last as on February 23, 2006. Located in New Delhi, the CIC conducted the hearing through a videoconference. It held that: "NCPL argued that the application was received at a time when the processing of such RTI Act-regulated information was at its infancy in the corporation. Besides, the fees were paid only on January 25, 2006. Therefore the supply of information by February 23, 2006 was not within the stipulated time. This claim that the time limit begins to apply only from the date of receipt of fees is without basis in law."

 

The CIC added that under the RTI Act provisions, it was incumbent upon NCPL to expeditiously provide the information within 30 days of the receipt of the request on the payment of such fee as may be prescribed. "It is therefore clear that whereas the information may be provided only once the fee is received, it is not up to the public information officer to begin the process of the application for information from the date the fee is received."

 

The CIC also held NCPL liable for inconvenience that Waghdare suffered as it failed to transfer the request for information sought by him (though unavailable with NCPL) to the appropriate authority. As a result this NPCL's non-compliance, the appropriate authority did not provide the information sought by him.

 

The CIC has also directed NCPL to provide some more information sought by Waghdhare related to the power projects. Residents of Jaitapur region like Wagdhare are opposing the power plant projects.

---

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 26 March, 2011 8:46:14 AM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT

Dear Mr Umapathi

What you are saying is not a new view, it has been previously discussed threadbare on the RTI_India forum with valuable inputs from our esteemed members like Ashish Kumar (who wrote the book - now in its 12th ?? edition and 935 pages - on how PIOs can evade giving information to silly little RTI activists whose heads are filled with nonsense).

In short

A) A CPIO (as defined in 5(1)) is not supposed to accept RTIs / fees from the applicants. That is the job of the CAPIO (defined in 5(2)) who acts as a postman.

B) The job of the CPIO is to "deal with" information requests and assist the applicants. The CPIO can only deal with (3rd party notice/fee computation/denial in 30 days for 7-1 etc.)  the RTI request after he "receives" it. The time for transmission of a RTI request to the "dealing" CPIO is limited to 5 days in the ACT.

Hence there is no basis in law - RTI Act - for you to say that 30 days begins when RTI application is received by PA, the Man of OffProc notwithstanding. <----- note this carefully.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:16 PM, umapathy subramanyam <umapathi.s.rti@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear sir, Technically, Mr. Roy is wrong to say that the PIO's clock ticks only from the date of receipt of application physically by PIO. Section 6(1) of RTI Act says that the application to be submitted to PIO of concerned public Authority. so, when the application  reaches the Public Authority , not the PIO , the countdown of  30 days begins. Moreover,  Same section also stipulates that the application can be submitted through electronic means. so, the best way is to send the application to PIO by e-mail  followed by hard copy by speed or registered post.

Regards.

umapathi.s

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:

So one would have to do a Prof Ansari against them. Use their own manual against the CPIO, which clearly states that all letters / communications should be diarised on the same day of its receipt in the office. Later, it should be sent to the concerned officer on the same or next working day. Which means, the application should be delivered to the concerned CPIO latest by the next working day. If what you say is true, the onus would then be on the CPIO, that he was not in his chamber for the next 15 days. Of course, he will conceal the fact that all officers have to maintain a Movement Register. So it is all open to us, to seek inspection of not only the diary register, but the Movement register of the CPIO as well. Manoj PS: It was Prof. Ansari who used the DoP&T Manual of Officer Procedure, against them in the full bench CIC Decision, in the matter of Pyarelal concerning file notings. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:04 AM The DoPT PIO's clock starts ticking only when the RTI request reaches him physically. So although it may have been received by the DoPT's dak section on date 1, it usually takes about 15 days extra to reach the PIO's desk